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(Post #73)

Actually and unfortunately for them, the "inheritance" f/m/p and those of his [maximist] mindset, is---la la land, a fantasy land their beloved pedophilic leader imagined as his "kingdom" of which they, his devoted-to-a-counterfeit/fraud "Christ" followers, are subjects---their "reward" as sons of disobedience/rebels against the real JESUS---of THE HOLY SCRIPTURES. Sad, very sad....

Fantasy?

 

Lets not forget also that your christ, the christ of the bible, can actually walk on water and command the elements to cease.

 

This is contrary to nature that God Himself instituted.

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(Posts #75 & #76)

REPEAT: The spirit of anti (against)---the real CHRIST---JESUS--of THE HOLY SCRIPTURES governs and reigns in the heart/mind of the unbeliever and confirms his sin of unbelief every time he opens his orifice---deserving not only the spirit of delusion in this life but the eternal consequences yet to come....

Too bad, so sad, but again, his choice---

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(Posts #75 & #76)

 

REPEAT: The spirit of anti (against)---the real CHRIST---JESUS--of THE HOLY SCRIPTURES governs and reigns in the heart/mind of the unbeliever and confirms his sin of unbelief every time he opens his orifice---deserving not only the spirit of delusion in this life but the eternal consequences yet to come....

 

Too bad, so sad, but again, his choice---

 

Lets speak of delusion;

 

Is it physically possible to walk on water?

 

Those who are deluded would say yes.

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I guess I'm deluded/diluted (see what I did there?)

Of delusion;

 

Is it physically possible to move a mountain by praying and speaking to it?

The delusionist would say yes.

 

22Have faith in God, Jesus said to them.

23Truly I tell you that if anyone says to this mountain, Be lifted up and thrown into the sea, and has no doubt in his heart but believes that it will happen, it will be done for him.

24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours

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9 The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder,

10 and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.

11 For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie,

12 in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.

 

Remember "sola scriptura"

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Of delusion;

 

17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name

18they will pick up snakes with their hands, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them

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Of delusion;

 

43 If your hand causes you to fall into sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two hands and go into hell, into the unquenchable fire.

45 If your foot causes you to fall into sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.

47 And if your eye causes you to fall into sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,

 

There are no maimed nor crippled nor blind who have done so purposely in the Kingdom of God.

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The betise evidenced in f/m/p's testimony/words is a manifestation of a psychological (intellectual) deficiency known as Mathew Ten Hang aka imbecility. It is an actual medical diagnosis describing the state of a person with a very low IQ which is why a reasonable (having sound judgment) discussion with such an individual is pointless---the person lacks the psychological/intellectual capacity to reason hence his foolish statements---add heretical beliefs to the mix, and spiritual waywardness is the result, again, as seen in f/m/p's foolish statements.

There is no “cure” for the condition other than the healing hand of THE GREAT PHYSICIAN---the real JESUS---of THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, WHOM, unfortunately for him, is THE VERY ONE f/m/p rejects.

One can only pity f/m/p and pray that he accepts and comes to know---the real JESUS---of THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, because apart from HIM, there is no hope for f/m/p and his sorry state.

Sad, so very sad....

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The betise evidenced in f/m/p's testimony/words is a manifestation of a psychological (intellectual) deficiency known as Mathew Ten Hang aka imbecility. It is an actual medical diagnosis describing the state of a person with a very low IQ which is why a reasonable (having sound judgment) discussion with such an individual is pointless---the person lacks the psychological/intellectual capacity to reason hence his foolish statements.

 

There is no cure for the condition other than the healing hand of THE GREAT PHYSICIAN---the real JESUS---of THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, WHOM, unfortunately for him, is THE VERY ONE f/m/p rejects.

 

One can only pity f/m/p and pray that he accepts and comes to know---the real JESUS---of THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, because apart from HIM, there is no hope for f/m/p and his sorry state.

 

Sad, so very sad....

And yet it is you who holds to the doctrines of delusion.

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(Post #87)

Delude: To cause to hold a false belief; deceive thoroughly; (Psychology): to deceive the mind or judgment of; mislead; beguile.

Delusion: The act or process of deluding; the state of being deluded; a false belief or opinion; (Psychiatry): A false belief or perception that is a manifestation of a mental illness; a mistaken or misleading opinion, idea, belief, etc.; a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason.

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Lets not forget also that your christ, the christ of the bible, can actually walk on water and command the elements to cease.

This is contrary to nature that God Himself instituted. (Post #76)

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

“Immediately HE made the disciples get into the boat and go before HIM to the other side, while HE dismissed the crowds. And after HE had dismissed the crowds, HE went up on the mountain by HIMSELF to pray. When evening came, HE was there alone, but the boat by this time was a long way from the land, beaten by the waves, for the wind was against them. And in the fourth watch of the night HE came to them, walking on the sea. But when the disciples saw HIM walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, 'It is a ghost!' and they cried out in fear. But immediately JESUS spoke to them, saying, 'Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid.' And Peter answered HIM, 'LORD, if it is YOU, command me to come to YOU on the water.” HE said, 'Come.' So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to JESUS. But when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out, 'LORD, save me.' JESUS immediately reached out HIS hand and took hold of him, saying to him, 'O you of little faith, why did you doubt?' And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased. And those in the boat worshiped HIM, saying, 'Truly YOU are THE SON of GOD.'” (Matthew 14:22-33)

“And when HE got into the boat, HIS disciples followed HIM. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but HE was asleep. And they went and woke HIM, saying, 'Save us, LORD; we are perishing.' And HE said to them, 'Why are you afraid, O you of little faith?' Then HE rose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm. And the men marveled, saying, 'What sort of man is this, that even winds and sea obey HIM?” (Matthew 8:23-27; cf Mark 4:35-41; Luke 8:22-25)

---By his own admission f/m/p has confirmed that he does not believe (rejects) the above testimony/words of Apostles Matthew, Mark, and Luke---

JESUS' apostles (the foundation on which CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF is the cornerstone---Ephesians 2:20) called by THE LORD GOD to bear witness to and testify of HIM aka THE SPIRIT of PROPHECY (Revelation 19:10b)---who ate, drank, slept, and walked with HIM while HE was physically here on Earth.

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Lets speak of delusion;

Is it physically possible to walk on water?

Those who are deluded would say yes. (Post #78)

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

“Immediately HE made the disciples get into the boat and go before HIM to the other side, while HE dismissed the crowds. And after HE had dismissed the crowds, HE went up on the mountain by HIMSELF to pray. When evening came, HE was there alone, but the boat by this time was a long way from the land, beaten by the waves, for the wind was against them. And in the fourth watch of the night HE came to them, walking on the sea. But when the disciples saw HIM walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, 'It is a ghost!' and they cried out in fear. But immediately JESUS spoke to them, saying, 'Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid.' And Peter answered HIM, 'LORD, if it is YOU, command me to come to YOU on the water.” HE said, 'Come.' So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to JESUS. But when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out, 'LORD, save me.' JESUS immediately reached out HIS hand and took hold of him, saying to him, 'O you of little faith, why did you doubt?' And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased. And those in the boat worshiped HIM, saying, 'Truly YOU are THE SON of GOD.'” (Matthew 14:22-33)

---By his own admission f/m/p has confirmed that he does not believe (rejects) the above testimony/words of Apostle Matthew---JESUS' eyewitness and apostle (one of the foundation stones of the temple built by THE LORD GOD, JESUS being the cornerstone---Ephesians 2:19-22) called by THE LORD GOD to bear HIS testimony aka THE SPIRIT of PROPHECY (Revelation 19:10b)---who ate, drank, slept, and walked with HIM while HE was physically here on Earth.

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Of delusion;

Is it physically possible to move a mountain by praying and speaking to it?

The delusionist would say yes.

22Have faith in God, Jesus said to them.

23Truly I tell you that if anyone says to this mountain, Be lifted up and thrown into the sea, and has no doubt in his heart but believes that it will happen, it will be done for him.

24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. (Post #81)

---By his own admission f/m/p has confirmed that he does not believe (rejects) the above testimony/words of the real JESUS [THE CHRIST] HIMSELF---THE WORD of GOD WHO is GOD WHO created and sustains all things, visible and invisible (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:15-20).

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Of delusion;

17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name

18they will pick up snakes with their hands, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them (Post #84)

---By his own admission f/m/p has confirmed that he does not believe (rejects) the above testimony/words of the real JESUS [THE CHRIST] HIMSELF---WHO is THE TRUTH (John 14:6b) WHO is THE WORD of GOD WHO is GOD WHO created and sustains all things, visible and invisible (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:15-20).

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Of delusion;

43 If your hand causes you to fall into sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two hands and go into hell, into the unquenchable fire.

45 If your foot causes you to fall into sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.

47 And if your eye causes you to fall into sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,

There are no maimed nor crippled nor blind who have done so purposely in the Kingdom of God. (Post #85)

---By his own admission f/m/p has confirmed that he does not possess the gift of---discernment---to know the differences between that which is allusion (indirect reference), metaphor (representation of something), and literal (in exact accordance with or limited to the primary or explicit meaning of a word or text).

Obviously JESUS is not promoting nor condoning physical mutilation---HIS is a spiritual message which is discerned by those in whom HIS SPIRIT aka THE SPIRIT of CHRIST aka THE SPIRIT of TRUTH aka THE HOLY SPIRIT dwells, which message is: mortification of anything and everything that causes and will cause a person to---sin (aka opposition to/rebellion against THE LORD GOD).

The same message Apostle Paul explicitly reverberated here:

Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. On account of these the wrath of GOD is coming. In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its CREATOR. Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but CHRIST is all, and in all.” (Colossians 3:5-11)

But unfortunately for him, like the Pharisees during JESUS' day who were not indwelt by/void of THE SPIRIT of TRUTH aka THE SPIRIT of CHRIST aka THE HOLY SPIRIT thus totally miscontrued thus misunderstood HIS words---e.g., John 6:35-59---f/m/p follows suit and does exactly the same because he too, is not indwelt by/void of THE SPIRIT of TRUTH aka THE SPIRIT of CHRIST aka THE HOLY SPIRIT, which means sadly enough, that he does not possess any of HIS gifts---which is the reason, like the Pharisees during JESUS' day, f/m/p actually blasphemes THE WORD of GOD WHO is GOD (John 1:1) WHO is THE LIGHT (John 1:4-18) WHO is THE TRUTH (John 14:6b) as seen in his own testimony/words in his posts.

It doesn't take special spiritual insight here folks, to see that f/m/p is a self-professed---unbeliever aka agnostic/atheist.

f/m/p's self-incriminating testimony/words:

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"The spirit of delusion dwells in the heart and soul of the unbeliever." (Post #80)

SOLA SCRIPTURA'S on-point description of f/m/p's spiritual status:

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9 The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder,

10 and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.

11 For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie,

12 in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.

Remember "sola scriptura" (Post #82)

Poor wretched in-the-dark wholly-beguiled/deluded-by-the-serpent/devil/satan lost soul....

A tragedy....in deed (literally).

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Delusion: The act or process of deluding; the state of being deluded; a false belief or opinion; (Psychiatry): A false belief or perception that is a manifestation of a mental illness; a mistaken or misleading opinion, idea, belief, etc.; a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason.

 

The evidence that is resistant to all reason is that it is not possible for men to walk on water. It is a fabrication by the Catholic Fathers. Not by the Apostles.

 

Neither is it possible to be bitten by a venomous snake or drink a poisonous liquid and live.

 

Christ came to preserve life.

 

When Christ was taken to the highest point of the temple by the devil and was was told to throw himself from there, he refused. Saying " You shall not Tempt the Lord your God."

 

And when asked to create a miracle he refused, saying "I will do no such sign except for the sign of Jonah the prophet.

 

And there are those who followed the words of Christ literally by castration and mutilation of the flesh.

 

12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way; others were made that way by men; and still others live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Properly translated as "castrate themselves like eunuchs. "

 

And the mutilators of the flesh? Those of the circumcision.

 

2 Watch out for those dogs, those workers of evil, those mutilators of the flesh!

3 For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh.

 

All sinners before God.

 

So I ask.

 

Which is sound reason and which is the delusion (mental illness)?

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Sound reason or delusion?

 

9 Then the devil led Him to Jerusalem and set Him on the pinnacle of the temple. If You are the Son of God, he said, throw Yourself down from here.

10 For it is written

 

He will command His angels concerning You to guard You carefully;

 

11 and they will lift You up in their hands, so that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.

 

And then jump off because God would protect you.

 

You just committed what they call "suicide" the gravest of all sins.

 

You just became road pizza.

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It is a fabrication by the Catholic Fathers. (Post #89)

Delusion: The act or process of deluding; the state of being deluded; a false belief or opinion; (Psychiatry): A false belief or perception that is a manifestation of a mental illness; a mistaken or misleading opinion, idea, belief, etc.; a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason.

Blaming his---sin---of unbelief on the Roman Catholic church is just one of many of the serpent/devil/satan's rebellious ploys which his pawn is totally oblivious to.

REPEAT: Poor wretched in-the-dark wholly-beguiled/deluded-by-the-serpent/devil/satan lost soul....

A tragedy....in deed (literally).

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It is a fabrication by the Catholic Fathers. (Post #89)

 

Delusion: The act or process of deluding; the state of being deluded; a false belief or opinion; (Psychiatry): A false belief or perception that is a manifestation of a mental illness; a mistaken or misleading opinion, idea, belief, etc.; a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason.

 

Blaming his---sin---of unbelief on the Roman Catholic church is just one of many of the serpent/devil/satan's rebellious ploys which his pawn is totally oblivious to.

 

REPEAT: Poor wretched in-the-dark wholly-beguiled/deluded-by-the-serpent/devil/satan lost soul....

 

A tragedy....in deed (literally).

 

I for one, would not attempt to jump off a high place or even try to walk on water or drink a poisonous liquid or pick up a venomous snake because to do so would be to tempt God.

 

Christ came to preserve life.

 

But you on the other hand would preach a delusion to others.

 

Amen.

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On 3/22/2017 at 9:42 PM, EGK said:

 

Yes, tell me when one has ever been turned away? Show me the facts, dates and places.

 

I see "white Christians" joining all the time.

 

EGK

I will bite...not that anyone is reading this...

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/28577428/robert-louis-candello

 

 

 

was a young man....who's mother was Molokan...who married a ni-nash man...an Italian American...but who did not want to stop attending Molokan Church, so he went along with her , their kids were raised as Molokans, they participated their entire lives.

 

just in case you don't believe me : http://vitals.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ca/death/search.cgi?surname=&given=robert&dyear=&dplace=&mlast=&flast=&year=&bplace=&sex=&start=24001&stype=Exact

CANDELLO  ROBERT  LOUIS  04/04/1944  VALOFF  CANDELLO  CALIFORNIA  KERN    08/11/1958    14 yrs 

 

He died with Molokans, while on the Kern river...but when push came to shove....the only people he knew, the relatives, the Molokan church.... decided he was not 'nash'...and refused to allow him to be buried in the Commerce Cemetery.

 

So which -white- Christians are joining the Molokans, and successfully being integrated?

 

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On 2/22/2017 at 1:48 PM, Guest introspctive said:

Guest_Elenna_*,

"Not allowed to participate in church" is exactly like the Orthodox or Catholic church which both have their merits and issues (like man made doctrines, or have many (majority of) congregants who do not read or study or have a basic understanding of the Bible, or have congregants who misplace their faith in traditions or rules that go against what the Bible tells us to do or not to do). Molokan churches have evolved into something that no longer encourages evangelizing inside or outside of each congregation's confines. The language barrier has also become a issue for all congregations, does anyone know what percentage of each congregation is fluent in speaking, reading, and writing Russian? If it is not 100%, those who do not understand what is being said are not being fed spiritually. How does attendance look every weekend when there is not a wedding, funeral, xtini, or church holiday going on, how many Molokans get by being Paska and Kusha Molokans? Why is the divorce rate so high? Why are both UMCA locations turning into something that isn't what the original founders intended? Don't get me wrong, there are still pockets of good Molokan people who put Jesus first in their lives and have it right, unfortunately they are the minority and if the current leadership doesn't soon have an awakening, things will continue to stagnate and start to look more like Clark Street Church as time goes by. :mellow:

Hello, 

I was born into the, Molokan” faith but by choice no longer practicing.  My parents recently  took a DNA test and the result were surprising. We are only 15% Russian!!!  So my brain was working in overload. I had many questions especially since I was brought up in a religion where we boost about our Russian bloodline. Enough ranting.!!!My question for you is who made the rule up  that you have to be Russian to Molokan? I asked my parents and they couldn’t answer. Hopefully someone can help. A name would be nice. 

Many blessings!!

note: a name of the person along with a date or time period would be appreciated. Please keep in mind when responding that I’m not starting an argument I’m just trying to understand Rules and who made them up. Especially since I lived my entire life as Molokan. Thanks!

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Molokanism is a clan, social club, status club.  If you aren't out there sharing the gospel, what are you doing ? Bring them home , the sick the sad the lost. Open your church !!! it's our job as the body to spread the good news. Speak life, help and love.

All nation's are called. All nation's. If you aren't being a productive part of the body by sharing God's word then you will be cut off by God.  The all mighty himself ! Read the actual words in the Bible in your first language to get an understanding and and get going. Time is short.

Molokans

Shout it, go out and sing it on the mountains.  Quit hiding away the good news. 

What are you afraid of ? Someone with a sick spirit coming into your four walls? 

That is a good thing they come in, what a perfect opportunity to use the power of Christ's name to help.  Put down your egos and your pride and your traditions of man. Sing a new song. 

 

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On 3/8/2018 at 8:52 PM, Guest Sada said:

Hello, 

I was born into the, Molokan” faith but by choice no longer practicing.  My parents recently  took a DNA test and the result were surprising. We are only 15% Russian!!!  So my brain was working in overload. I had many questions especially since I was brought up in a religion where we boost about our Russian bloodline. Enough ranting.!!!My question for you is who made the rule up  that you have to be Russian to Molokan? I asked my parents and they couldn’t answer. Hopefully someone can help. A name would be nice. 

Many blessings!!

note: a name of the person along with a date or time period would be appreciated. Please keep in mind when responding that I’m not starting an argument I’m just trying to understand Rules and who made them up. Especially since I lived my entire life as Molokan. Thanks!

That's pretty funny. It seems like the cult rules excludes people that are half or less but there was a case where someone that was 75% got a special dispensation

You think the molokan "church" would require such a test but there would be no one left

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