Lord God Or Lord Jesus Christ?

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I find it quite interesting that the word Lord is used inter-changeably in connection to both God and Jesus Christ, during Molokan church services and many times by the very people that deny the Deity of Jesus Christ of Nazareth and the existence of the Holy Trinity! Give that some thought and question yourself in light of these things I bring before you today, for your edification.

 

Lord God in Russian, ГоÑподь Бог and Lord Our Jesus Christ, ГоÑпода нашим ИиÑуÑа ХриÑта,

 

 

The word Lord together with God occurs in 1543 verses in the KJV

 

The definition for Lord in Hebrew is Jehovah = "the existing One" proper noun with reference to deity - the proper name of the one true God.

 

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. KJV

 

The words Lord & Jesus & Christ together, occurs in 97 verses in the KJV

 

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. KJV

 

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. KJV

 

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. KJV

 

Jesus Christ warns us on what will happen to those that refer to Christ, incorrectly.

Matthew 7:21 "Not all people who sound religious are really godly. They may refer to me as `Lord,' but they still won't enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The decisive issue is whether they obey my Father in heaven.

Mat 7:22 On judgment day many will tell me, `Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.'

Mat 7:23 But I will reply, `I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized NLT

 

Any thoughts? And remember this wonderful Scripture,

 

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. KJV

 

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Furthermore:

 

Mark 12:28 One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?"

Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

Mar 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' NASB (fourvetta's favorite version)

 

In the twisted-logic of a maxaimist (aka fourvetta, danhS, something.something_nobody, IvanVasilitch, 999 and we can't leave out red-octune) mind-set, the Lord is God, the Lord your God and The Lord our God is One Lord. Wow, how can that be? Then how can Jesus Christ of Nazareth be called "Our Lord Jesus" in so many of our prayers and songs who states in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one." NASB. Fuhhey on that, I'm just going back to my horse, my messiah and my king of spirits, M.G.R. and everything will be a-OK in my itsi-bitsi world of Molokanism and I won't have to deal with this confusion!

 

Strange though, if you read it in the language that they supposedly understand and revere, Russian, it reads the same!

Марка 12

29 ИиÑÑƒÑ Ð¾Ñ‚Ð²ÐµÑ‡Ð°Ð» ему: Ð¿ÐµÑ€Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð¸Ð· вÑех заповедей: Ñлушай, Израиль! ГоÑподь Бог наш еÑÑ‚ÑŒ ГоÑподь единый;

30 и возлюби ГоÑпода Бога твоего вÑем Ñердцем твоим, и вÑею душею твоею, и вÑем разумением твоим, и вÑею крепоÑтию твоею, --вот Ð¿ÐµÑ€Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð·Ð°Ð¿Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐ´ÑŒ!

 

Иоанна 10: 30 Я и Отец--одно. So it is the TRUTH ГоÑпода нашего ИиÑуÑа ХриÑта. That's BEAUTIFUL!

 

Please remember, Jesus says what he means and means what he says and HE has spoken and continues to speak to us through the Holy Scriptures!

 

So, speak now or forever hold your peace!

 

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Lord Jesus Christ when he was here on earth.

Lord God is what he was before and what he is after his stay on earth.

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Lord Jesus Christ when he was here on earth.

Lord God is what he was before and what he is after his stay on earth.

 

Here is the ending of the debate that Christ had with the Sadducces about a wife having seven brothers after each had died within the context of the ressurrection.

 

Mark 12:24 Jesus said to them, "Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God?

Mar 12:25 "For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

Mar 12:26 "But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the {passage} about {the burning} bush, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, and the God of Jacob'?

Mar 12:27 "He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken." NASB (fourvett's favorite version)

 

Then the question from a scribe, about the which is the greatest commandment and here is where the first commandment starts with usage of the word Lord in the statement about God.

 

Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; NASB

 

Then continues with what is expected of us after we aknowlege that the Lord is our God.

 

Mark 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'

NASB (fourvetta's favorite version)

 

So what is person's contension by saying, "My Lord Jesus Christ" or what are we saying in stating "Our Lord Jesus Christ". What should be our mindset and/or thinking when we make these statements?

 

The scribe then says;

 

Mark 12:32 The scribe said to Him, "Right, Teacher; You have truly stated that HE IS ONE, AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM;

Mar 12:33 AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

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This all still all taking place in the Temple in Jerusalum where the and Jesus goes into full out teaching;

 

Mar 12:35 And Jesus {began} to say, as He taught in the temple, "How {is it that} the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David?

Mar 12:36 "David himself said in the Holy Spirit, 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET.'"

Mar 12:37 "David himself calls Him 'Lord'; so in what sense is He his son?" And the large crowd enjoyed listening to Him.

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There it is again, LORD, what should we mean and be thinking when we call, JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD? ГоÑпода нашего ИиÑуÑа ХриÑта?

 

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Continuing;

 

Apostle Paul in God's Word proclaims to us in Hebrews,

 

Hbr 11:1 What is faith? It is the confident assurance that what we hope for is going to happen. It is the evidence of things we cannot yet see.

Hbr 11:2 God gave his approval to people in days of old because of their faith.

Hbr 11:3 By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God's command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.

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Hbr 11:6 So, you see, it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that there is a God and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.

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Apostle John delares, again from God's Word;

 

John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God.

Jhn 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

Jhn 1:3 He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn't make.

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Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make people in our image, to be like ourselves . They will be masters over all life-the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the livestock, wild animals, and small animals."

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Gen 2:4 This is the account of the creation of the heavens and the earth. When the Lord God made the heavens and the earth,

Gen 2:5 there were no plants or grain growing on the earth, for the Lord God had not sent any rain. And no one was there to cultivate the soil.

Gen 2:6 But water came up out of the ground and watered all the land.

Gen 2:7 And the Lord God formed a man's body from the dust of the ground and breathed into it the breath of life. And the man became a living person.

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It's a beautiful thing: JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD! ГоÑпода нашего ИиÑуÑа ХриÑта!

 

 

It's all there for all to see, why not look and SEE the LIGHT!

 

John 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life."

 

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So what is your conclusion with all this scripture you quoted?

 

 

Continuing;

 

Apostle Paul in God's Word proclaims to us in Hebrews,

 

Hbr 11:1 What is faith? It is the confident assurance that what we hope for is going to happen. It is the evidence of things we cannot yet see.

Hbr 11:2 God gave his approval to people in days of old because of their faith.

Hbr 11:3 By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God's command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.

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Hbr 11:6 So, you see, it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that there is a God and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.

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Apostle John delares, again from God's Word;

 

John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God.

Jhn 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

Jhn 1:3 He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn't make.

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Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make people in our image, to be like ourselves . They will be masters over all life-the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the livestock, wild animals, and small animals."

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Gen 2:4 This is the account of the creation of the heavens and the earth. When the Lord God made the heavens and the earth,

Gen 2:5 there were no plants or grain growing on the earth, for the Lord God had not sent any rain. And no one was there to cultivate the soil.

Gen 2:6 But water came up out of the ground and watered all the land.

Gen 2:7 And the Lord God formed a man's body from the dust of the ground and breathed into it the breath of life. And the man became a living person.

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It's a beautiful thing: JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD! ГоÑпода нашего ИиÑуÑа ХриÑта!

 

 

It's all there for all to see, why not look and SEE the LIGHT!

 

John 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life."

 

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So what is your conclusion with all this scripture you quoted?

 

I'm assuming you read the whole strand and my point is that in the Scriptures (God's Living Word), it evident to me that the gravity of calling God, Lord and Jesus Christ, Lord, lends itself to the need for each of us to NOT make light in our hearts and minds when we use the term, LORD. The Bible certainly does not!

 

Isaiah 9:6 For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. And the government will rest on his shoulders. These will be his royal titles: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:7 His ever expanding, peaceful government will never end. He will rule forever with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David. The passionate commitment of the Lord Almighty will guarantee this! NLT

 

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Continuing;

 

During a conversation with a Scribe in the Temple concerning the most important commandment the Scribe stated;

 

Mark 12:32 The teacher of religious law replied, "Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth by saying that there is only one God and no other.

Mar 12:33 And I know it is important to love him with all my heart and all my understanding and all my strength, and to love my neighbors as myself. This is more important than to offer all of the burnt offerings and sacrifices required in the law." NLT

 

Christ's reply is;

 

Mar 12:34 Realizing this man's understanding, Jesus said to him, "You are not far from the Kingdom of God." And after that, no one dared to ask him any more questions. NLT

 

Jesus told him profoundly, "You are not far from the Kingdom of God". Then Apostle Mark goes directly to Christ statement from King David and a question.

 

Mar 12:35 Later, as Jesus was teaching the people in the Temple, he asked, "Why do the teachers of religious law claim that the Messiah will be the son of David?

Mar 12:36 For David himself, speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said, `The Lord said to my Lord, Sit in honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies beneath your feet."

Mar 12:37 Since David himself called him Lord, how can he be his son at the same time?" And the crowd listened to him with great interest. NLT

 

The answer to why the Scribe was not far from salvation, is partly in this verse;

 

Mark 12:29 Jesus replied, "The most important commandment is this: `Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord. NLT

 

He needed to realize who this LORD was, and guess what it was none other than, this very God-Man, he was speaking to Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

 

Mark 12:10 Didn't you ever read this in the Scriptures? `The stone rejected by the builders has now become the cornerstone.

Mar 12:11 This is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous to see. NLT

 

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It is TRULY a beautiful feeling to know Jesus Christ of Nazareth as everything that HE said HE was, as God the Son, who had NO beginning and has No end!

 

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

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ЕвреÑм 13: 8 ИиÑÑƒÑ Ð¥Ñ€Ð¸ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ Ð²Ñ‡ÐµÑ€Ð° и ÑÐµÐ³Ð¾Ð´Ð½Ñ Ð¸ во веки Тот Ре.

 

Philippians 2:8 And in human form he obediently humbled himself even further by dying a criminal's death on a cross.

Phl 2:9 Because of this, God raised him up to the heights of heaven and gave him a name that is above every other name,

Phl 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

Phl 2:11 and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Филиппийцам 2: 8 Ñмирил СебÑ, быв поÑлушным даРе до Ñмерти, и Ñмерти креÑтной.

9 ПоÑему и Бог Ð¿Ñ€ÐµÐ²Ð¾Ð·Ð½ÐµÑ Ð•Ð³Ð¾ и дал Ему Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð²Ñ‹ÑˆÐµ вÑÑкого имени,

10 дабы пред именем ИиÑуÑа преклонилоÑÑŒ вÑÑкое колено небеÑных, земных и преиÑподних,

11 и вÑÑкий Ñзык иÑповедал, что ГоÑподь ИиÑÑƒÑ Ð¥Ñ€Ð¸ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ Ð² Ñлаву Бога Отца.

 

 

Hebrews 13:6 That is why we can say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper, so I will not be afraid. What can mere mortals do to me?"

Hbr 13:7 Remember your leaders who first taught you the word of God. Think of all the good that has come from their lives, and trust the Lord as they do.

Hbr 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Hbr 13:9 So do not be attracted by strange, new ideas. Your spiritual strength comes from God's special favor, not from ceremonial rules about food, which don't help those who follow them.

 

Hbr 13:14 For this world is not our home; we are looking forward to our city in heaven, which is yet to come.

Hbr 13:15 With Jesus' help, let us continually offer our sacrifice of praise to God by proclaiming the glory of his name.

 

Hbr 13:20 And now, may the God of peace, who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, equip you with all you need for doing his will. May he produce in you, through the power of Jesus Christ, all that is pleasing to him. Jesus is the great Shepherd of the sheep by an everlasting covenant, signed with his blood. To him be glory forever and ever. Amen.

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ЕвреÑм 13:6 так что мы Ñмело говорим: ГоÑподь мне помощник, и не убоюÑÑŒ: что Ñделает мне человек?

7 Поминайте наÑтавников ваших, которые проповедывали вам Ñлово БоРие, и, Ð²Ð·Ð¸Ñ€Ð°Ñ Ð½Ð° кончину их Ризни, подраРайте вере их.

8 ИиÑÑƒÑ Ð¥Ñ€Ð¸ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ Ð²Ñ‡ÐµÑ€Ð° и ÑÐµÐ³Ð¾Ð´Ð½Ñ Ð¸ во веки Тот Ре.

9 УчениÑми различными и чуРдыми не увлекайтеÑÑŒ; ибо хорошо благодатью укреплÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ñердца, а не ÑÑтвами, от которых не получили пользы занимающиеÑÑ Ð¸Ð¼Ð¸.

 

14 ибо не имеем здеÑÑŒ поÑтоÑнного града, но ищем будущего.

15 Итак будем через Ðего непреÑтанно приноÑить Богу Рертву хвалы, то еÑÑ‚ÑŒ плод уÑÑ‚, проÑлавлÑющих Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð•Ð³Ð¾.

 

20 Бог Ре мира, воздвигший из мертвых ПаÑÑ‚Ñ‹Ñ€Ñ Ð¾Ð²ÐµÑ† великого Кровию завета вечного, ГоÑпода нашего ИиÑуÑа (ХриÑта),

 

So, Apostle Paul is stating in Philippians 2: 10 & 11, that NO one will escape, kneeling down and acknowledging Jesus Christ as LORD (God). It will be done now in this life and lead to the eternal reward of everlasting life or after death to the consequence of eternal damnation of hell. The fact is that we all have an eternal soul that will end up in Heaven or Hell and the choice is in the heart of each of us.

 

John 6:66 At this point many of his disciples turned away and deserted him.

Jhn 6:67 Then Jesus turned to the Twelve and asked, "Are you going to leave, too?"

Jhn 6:68 Simon Peter replied, "Lord, to whom would we go? You alone have the words that give eternal life.

Jhn 6:69 We believe them, and we know you are the Holy One of God."

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Continuing:

 

John 1:3 He [Jesus Christ, the Word] created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn't make

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Psalms 133:1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brothers to dwell together in unity!

Psa 133:2 It is like the precious oil upon the head, Coming down upon the beard, {Even} Aaron's beard, Coming down upon the edge of his robes.

Psa 133:3 It is like the dew of Hermon Coming down upon the mountains of Zion; For there the LORD commanded the blessing--life forever

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Psalms 134:1 Behold, bless the LORD, all servants of the LORD, Who serve by night in the house of the LORD!

Psa 134:2 Lift up your hands to the sanctuary And bless the LORD.

Psa 134:3 May the LORD bless you from Zion, He who made heaven and earth.

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ПÑалом 133

 

1 ПеÑнь воÑхоРдениÑ. Давида.^^ Как хорошо и как приÑтно Рить братьÑм вмеÑте!

2 [Это] --как драгоценный елей на голове, Ñтекающий на бороду, бороду Ðаронову, Ñтекающий на ÐºÑ€Ð°Ñ Ð¾Ð´ÐµÐ Ð´Ñ‹ его;

3 как роÑа ЕрмонÑкаÑ, ÑходÑÑ‰Ð°Ñ Ð½Ð° горы СионÑкие, ибо там заповедал ГоÑподь благоÑловение и Ризнь на веки.

 

ПÑалом 134

 

1 ^^ПеÑнь воÑхоРдениÑ.^^ БлагоÑловите ныне ГоÑпода, вÑе рабы ГоÑподни, ÑтоÑщие в доме ГоÑподнем, во Ð²Ñ€ÐµÐ¼Ñ Ð½Ð¾Ñ‡Ð¸.

2 Воздвигните руки ваши к ÑвÑтилищу, и благоÑловите ГоÑпода.

3 БлагоÑловит Ñ‚ÐµÐ±Ñ Ð“Ð¾Ñподь Ñ Ð¡Ð¸Ð¾Ð½Ð°, Ñотворивший небо и землю.

 

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Continuing,

 

 

Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

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Then continues with what is expected of us after we acknowledge that the Lord is our God.

 

Mark 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'

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Марка 12

29 ИиÑÑƒÑ Ð¾Ñ‚Ð²ÐµÑ‡Ð°Ð» ему: Ð¿ÐµÑ€Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð¸Ð· вÑех заповедей: Ñлушай, Израиль! �"оÑподь Бог наш еÑÑ‚ÑŒ �"оÑподь единый;

30 и возлюби �"оÑпода Бога твоего вÑем Ñердцем твоим, и вÑею душею твоею, и вÑем разумением твоим, и вÑею крепоÑтию твоею, --вот Ð¿ÐµÑ€Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð·Ð°Ð¿Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐ´ÑŒ!

 

 

2 Peter 3:13 But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world where everyone is right with God.

2Pe 3:14 And so, dear friends, while you are waiting for these things to happen, make every effort to live a pure and blameless life. And be at peace with God.

2Pe 3:15 And remember, the Lord is waiting so that people have time to be saved. This is just as our beloved brother Paul wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him-

2Pe 3:16 speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters around to mean something quite different from what he meant, just as they do the other parts of Scripture-and the result is disaster for them.

2Pe 3:17 I am warning you ahead of time, dear friends, so that you can watch out and not be carried away by the errors of these wicked people. I don't want you to lose your own secure footing.

2Pe 3:18 But grow in the special favor and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be all glory and honor, both now and forevermore. Amen.

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2-e Петра 3

13 Впрочем мы, по обетованию Его, оРидаем нового неба и новой земли, на которых обитает правда.

14 Итак, возлюбленные, Ð¾Ð Ð¸Ð´Ð°Ñ Ñего, потщитеÑÑŒ ÑвитьÑÑ Ð¿Ñ€ÐµÐ´ Ðим неоÑкверненными и непорочными в мире;

15 и долготерпение �"оÑпода нашего почитайте ÑпаÑением, как и возлюбленный брат наш Павел, по данной ему премудроÑти, напиÑал вам,

16 как он говорит об Ñтом и во вÑех поÑланиÑÑ…, в которых еÑÑ‚ÑŒ нечто неудобовразумительное, что невеРды и неутверРденные, к ÑобÑтвенной Ñвоей погибели, превращают, как и прочие ПиÑаниÑ.

17 Итак вы, возлюбленные, будучи предварены о Ñем, берегитеÑÑŒ, чтобы вам не увлечьÑÑ Ð·Ð°Ð±Ð»ÑƒÐ Ð´ÐµÐ½Ð¸ÐµÐ¼ беззаконников и не отпаÑÑ‚ÑŒ от Ñвоего утверРдениÑ,

18 но возраÑтайте в благодати и познании �"оÑпода нашего и СпаÑÐ¸Ñ‚ÐµÐ»Ñ Ð˜Ð¸ÑуÑа ХриÑта. Ему Ñлава и ныне и в день вечный. Ðминь

 

 

John 14:10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I say are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me.

Jhn 14:11 Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of what you have seen me do

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Иоанна 14

10 Разве Ñ‚Ñ‹ не веришь, что Я в Отце и Отец во Мне? Слова, которые говорю Я вам, говорю не от СебÑ; Отец, пребывающий во Мне, Он творит дела.

11 Верьте Мне, что Я в Отце и Отец во Мне; а еÑли не так, то верьте Мне по Ñамым делам.

 

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Continuing, Jesus makes many claims about who He is with a group of Pharisees here in book of John. If you listen closely to the conversation and then deny the Deity of Jesus Christ of Nazareth as God the Son, you would be agreeing with the Pharisees in verse 8 when they state "You are making false claims about yourself!" You do so at your own peril!

John 8:12 Jesus said to the people, "I am the light of the world. If you follow me, you won't be stumbling through the darkness, because you will have the light that leads to life."

Jhn 8:13 The Pharisees replied, "You are making false claims about yourself!"

Jhn 8:14 Jesus told them, "These claims are valid even though I make them about myself. For I know where I came from and where I am going, but you don't know this about me.

Jhn 8:15 You judge me with all your human limitations, but I am not judging anyone.

Jhn 8:16 And if I did, my judgment would be correct in every respect because I am not alone-I have with me the Father who sent me.

Jhn 8:17 Your own law says that if two people agree about something, their witness is accepted as fact.

Jhn 8:18 I am one witness, and my Father who sent me is the other."

Jhn 8:19 "Where is your father?" they asked. Jesus answered, "Since you don't know who I am, you don't know who my Father is. If you knew me, then you would know my Father, too."

Jhn 8:20 Jesus made these statements while he was teaching in the section of the Temple known as the Treasury. But he was not arrested, because his time had not yet come.

Jhn 8:21 Later Jesus said to them again, "I am going away. You will search for me and die in your sin. You cannot come where I am going."

Jhn 8:22 The Jewish leaders asked, "Is he planning to commit suicide? What does he mean, `You cannot come where I am going'?"

Jhn 8:23 Then he said to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not.

Jhn 8:24 That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am who I say I am, you will die in your sins."

Jhn 8:25 "Tell us who you are," they demanded. Jesus replied, "I am the one I have always claimed to be.

Jhn 8:26 I have much to say about you and much to condemn, but I won't. For I say only what I have heard from the one who sent me, and he is true."

Jhn 8:27 But they still didn't understand that he was talking to them about his Father.

Jhn 8:28 So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man on the cross, then you will realize that I am he and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak what the Father taught me.

Jhn 8:29 And the one who sent me is with me-he has not deserted me. For I always do those things that are pleasing to him."

Jhn 8:30 Then many who heard him say these things believed in him.

Jhn 8:31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, "You are truly my disciples if you keep obeying my teachings.

Jhn 8:32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Jhn 8:33 "But we are descendants of Abraham," they said. "We have never been slaves to anyone on earth. What do you mean, `set free'?"

Jhn 8:34 Jesus replied, "I assure you that everyone who sins is a slave of sin.

Jhn 8:35 A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son is part of the family forever.

Jhn 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will indeed be free.

Jhn 8:37 Yes, I realize that you are descendants of Abraham. And yet some of you are trying to kill me because my message does not find a place in your hearts.

Jhn 8:38 I am telling you what I saw when I was with my Father. But you are following the advice of your father."

Jhn 8:39 "Our father is Abraham," they declared. "No," Jesus replied, "for if you were children of Abraham, you would follow his good example.

Jhn 8:40 I told you the truth I heard from God, but you are trying to kill me. Abraham wouldn't do a thing like that.

Jhn 8:41 No, you are obeying your real father when you act that way." They replied, "We were not born out of wedlock! Our true Father is God himself."

Jhn 8:42 Jesus told them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, because I have come to you from God. I am not here on my own, but he sent me.

Jhn 8:43 Why can't you understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to do so!

Jhn 8:44 For you are the children of your father the Devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning and has always hated the truth. There is no

truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Jhn 8:45 So when I tell the truth, you just naturally don't believe me!

Jhn 8:46 Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don't you believe me?

Jhn 8:47 Anyone whose Father is God listens gladly to the words of God. Since you don't, it proves you aren't God's children."

Jhn 8:48 The people retorted, "You Samaritan devil! Didn't we say all along that you were possessed by a demon?"

Jhn 8:49 "No," Jesus said, "I have no demon in me. For I honor my Father-and you dishonor me.

Jhn 8:50 And though I have no wish to glorify myself, God wants to glorify me. Let him be the judge.

Jhn 8:51 I assure you, anyone who obeys my teaching will never die!"

Jhn 8:52 The people said, "Now we know you are possessed by a demon. Even Abraham and the prophets died, but you say that those who obey your teaching will never die!

Jhn 8:53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? Are you greater than the prophets, who died? Who do you think you are?"

Jhn 8:54 Jesus answered, "If I am merely boasting about myself, it doesn't count. But it is my Father who says these glorious things about me. You say, `He is our God,'

Jhn 8:55 but you do not even know him. I know him. If I said otherwise, I would be as great a liar as you! But it is true-I know him and obey him.

Jhn 8:56 Your ancestor Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad."

Jhn 8:57 The people said, "You aren't even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?"

Jhn 8:58 Jesus answered, "The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!"

Jhn 8:59 At that point they picked up stones to kill him. But Jesus hid himself from them and left the Temple.

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Please realize that Jesus, always says what HE means and always means what HE says!

 

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There is NO middle ground!

 

Legend, Lunatic, Liar, or Lord and GOD?

 

In his famous book Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis makes this statement, "A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic--on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg--or he would be the devil of hell. You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.

Jesus could only have been one of four things: a legend, a liar, a lunatic--or Lord and God. There is so much historical and archeological evidence to support his existence that every reputable historian agrees he was not just a legend. If he were a liar, why would he die for his claim, when he could easily have avoided such a cruel death with a few choice words? And, if he were a lunatic, how did he engage in intelligent debates with his opponents or handle the stress of his betrayal and crucifixion while continuing to show a deep love for his antagonists? He said he was Lord and God. The evidence supports that claim."

 

 

Dear Molokan, you make the CHOICE. Was HE ALL that He said? Was He God the Son as He claimed? OR, If not, you have a serious problem!!

 

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One of the reasons that the devotees of mgr and Jewish leaders were so angry with Jesus was his continual practice of forgiving people's sins. The religious leaders understood clearly that since sins were rebellion against God Himself, only God could forgive sins.

 

Luke 5:20-21 "When Jesus saw their faith, he said, 'Friend, your sins are forgiven.' The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, 'Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?'"

 

Luke 7:48-49 "Then Jesus said to her, 'Your sins are forgiven.' The other guests began to say among themselves, 'Who is this who even forgives sins?'"

 

 

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Continuing..................& reflecting,

 

The Religious leaders of Christ's time on earth came to distain Jesus because they were coming to the realization that the people were beginning to acknowledge Jesus as someone with authority from ON HIGH (Matthew 22: 23). They then made it their mission to confront his authority with trick questions, so as to try to diminish Him in the eyes of the people. They did this for the express purpose to hold on to the authority and power they themselves had over the people and feared they were losing.

 

Matthew 22:35 One of them, an expert in religious law, tried to trap him with this question:

Mat 22:36 "Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?"

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Is this not what is being done by these same type of people on this forum, because of their perceived fear that their "House of Cards" built on the sand that is the s&l, could be about to come tumbling down? Did God Die? Is this question from the heart of someone searching for the truth or just attempting to ONLY ask foolish questions? Try to be honest with yourself, God knows your deepest thoughts and mine, also.

 

Furthermore...........

 

Christ answers the religious expert;

 

Matthew 22:37 Jesus replied, " `You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.'

Mat 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

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So, should not The Lord be your God, if this it is the greatest commandment of ALL, to Love Him?

 

Here, earlier in Matthew Christ states,

 

Mat 7:20 Yes, the way to identify a tree or a person is by the kind of fruit that is produced.

Mat 7:21 "Not all people who sound religious are really godly. They may refer to me as `Lord,' but they still won't enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The decisive issue is whether they obey my Father in heaven.

Mat 7:22 On judgment day many will tell me, `Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.'

Mat 7:23 But I will reply, `I never knew you. Go away;

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For Jesus Christ to know you or me, we MUST know who He really is and to acknowlege Him for all He says He is. To do anything else would be a grave mistake to all who take that pathway.

 

The word "Lord" in all these scriptures from the from the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth are the same in Greek (kurios-κύÏιος). Please consider the magnitude and meaning of the statement, "Our LORD Jesus Christ" and "Lord God" when you hear and say those words during songs and speeches at our Molokan church services. These terms are used in MANY of our songs and prayers.

 

ГоÑпода нашего ИиÑуÑа ХриÑта - Our Lord Jesus Christ and of course, ГоÑподу Богу - Lord God.

 

Please remember, Jesus ALWAYS says what HE means and means what HE says!

 

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John 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

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Иоанна 14

10 Разве Ñ‚Ñ‹ не веришь, что Я в Отце и Отец во Мне? Слова, которые говорю Я вам, говорю не от СебÑ; Отец, пребывающий во Мне, Он творит дела.

11 Верьте Мне, что Я в Отце и Отец во Мне; а еÑли не так, то верьте Мне по Ñамым делам

 

In deciding to make a decision on your belief on Who Jesus Christ of Nazareth, really is? I would suggest to you to consider these two verses in John, chapter 14.

 

In this verse Jesus tells us that in some way that He is in the Father and also that the Father is indeed in Him. Ask yourself, is part of His contention more true than the other? Can someone say that they be both equally true and then believe that Jesus is not equal with the Father in ALL ways, for Him not to be, one would have to say that part of His statement is MORE true than the other.

 

In a questioning tone He asks us all, do you believe this Truth that I bring to you? What is your answer?

 

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Isaiah 7:12 But Ahaz said, "I will not ask, nor will I test the LORD!" 13 Then he said, "Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

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ИÑÐ°Ð¸Ñ 7: 12 И Ñказал Ðхаз: не буду проÑить и не буду иÑкушать ГоÑпода. 13 Тогда Ñказал [ИÑаиÑ]: Ñлушайте Ре, дом Давидов! разве мало Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð·Ð°Ñ‚Ñ€ÑƒÐ´Ð½ÑÑ‚ÑŒ людей, что вы хотите затруднÑÑ‚ÑŒ и Бога моего? 14 Итак Сам ГоÑподь даÑÑ‚ вам знамение: Ñе, Дева во чреве приимет и родит Сына, и нарекут Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð•Ð¼Ñƒ: Еммануил.

 

 

Matthew 1:21 "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins." 22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

NKJV

 

ÐœÐ°Ñ‚Ñ„ÐµÑ 1: 21 родит Ре Сына, и наречешь Ему Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð˜Ð¸ÑуÑ, ибо Он ÑпаÑет людей Своих от грехов их. 22 РвÑе Ñие произошло, да ÑбудетÑÑ Ñ€ÐµÑ‡ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð¾Ðµ ГоÑподом через пророка, который говорит: 23 Ñе, Дева во чреве приимет и родит Сына, и нарекут Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð•Ð¼Ñƒ Еммануил, что значит: Ñ Ð½Ð°Ð¼Ð¸ Бог.

 

 

So then, Who is this Immanuel, that the "Lord Himself" has brought to us?

 

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary

\Im*man"u*el\, n. [Heb. 'imm[=a]n?[=e]l, fr. 'im with + [=a]n? us + [=e]l God.] God with us; -- an appellation of the Christ. --Is. vii. 14. Matt. i. 23.

 

Here we have the Nouns, Lord and God used inter-changeably, just as it is continuously during Molokan services. What does this mean to you when you use the word Lord alone? Who are you referring to? Only you can answer that.

 

Exodus 34:14 You must worship no other gods, but only the Lord, for he is a God who is passionate about his relationship with you

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ИÑход 34: 14 ибо Ñ‚Ñ‹ не долРен поклонÑÑ‚ÑŒÑÑ Ð±Ð¾Ð³Ñƒ иному, кроме ГоÑпода; потому что Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð•Ð³Ð¾--ревнитель; Он Бог ревнитель.

 

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Conitinuing............

 

Isaiah 7:12 But Ahaz said, "I will not ask, nor will I test the LORD!" 13 Then he said, "Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

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ИÑÐ°Ð¸Ñ 7: 12 И Ñказал Ðхаз: не буду проÑить и не буду иÑкушать ГоÑпода. 13 Тогда Ñказал [ИÑаиÑ]: Ñлушайте Ре, дом Давидов! разве мало Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð·Ð°Ñ‚Ñ€ÑƒÐ´Ð½ÑÑ‚ÑŒ людей, что вы хотите затруднÑÑ‚ÑŒ и Бога моего? 14 Итак Сам ГоÑподь даÑÑ‚ вам знамение: Ñе, Дева во чреве приимет и родит Сына, и нарекут Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð•Ð¼Ñƒ: Еммануил.

 

 

Matthew 1:21 "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins." 22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

NKJV

 

ÐœÐ°Ñ‚Ñ„ÐµÑ 1: 21 родит Ре Сына, и наречешь Ему Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð˜Ð¸ÑуÑ, ибо Он ÑпаÑет людей Своих от грехов их. 22 РвÑе Ñие произошло, да ÑбудетÑÑ Ñ€ÐµÑ‡ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð¾Ðµ ГоÑподом через пророка, который говорит: 23 Ñе, Дева во чреве приимет и родит Сына, и нарекут Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð•Ð¼Ñƒ Еммануил, что значит: Ñ Ð½Ð°Ð¼Ð¸ Бог.

 

 

So then, Who is this Immanuel, that the "Lord Himself" has brought to us?

 

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary

\Im*man"u*el\, n. [Heb. 'imm[=a]n?[=e]l, fr. 'im with + [=a]n? us + [=e]l God.] God with us; -- an appellation of the Christ. --Is. vii. 14. Matt. i. 23.

 

Here we have the Nouns, Lord and God used inter-changeably, just as it is continuously during Molokan services. What does this mean to you when you use the word Lord alone? Who are you referring to? Only you can answer that.

 

Exodus 34:14 You must worship no other gods, but only the Lord, for he is a God who is passionate about his relationship with you

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ИÑход 34: 14 ибо Ñ‚Ñ‹ не долРен поклонÑÑ‚ÑŒÑÑ Ð±Ð¾Ð³Ñƒ иному, кроме ГоÑпода; потому что Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð•Ð³Ð¾--ревнитель; Он Бог ревнитель.

 

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Lastinline;

 

I enjoy your passion for the Lord and I envy you for it!

 

 

"When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesara Phillipi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ (Messiah), the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revelaled it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 16 13-17 KJV

 

Jesus the Christ asks each and every one of us "But whom say ye that I am", and we must all give an answer to Him. For me, He is the Christ (Messiah) the Son of the living God! My Lord, my God and my salvation!

 

EGK

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EGK, Thank You for your kind words.

 

I remember reading Chapter 14 of the Gospel of John, which is probably my favorite chapter of the Bible for the first time as an adult and coming to the discourse between Philip and Jesus and getting a profound hit between the eyes. Jesus tells Philip have I been with you all this time and you don't know me? Why? Well that was ME! I was raised in a profoundly Christian Molokan home where my parents in the traditional Molokan way, led by example and not words. With this verse grabbing my very soul, Jesus asked WHY? With all of the examples of My Love that have been shown to you, you don't know my true identity. With that, thirty+ years later, I am in a quest to know Him better each and every day.

 

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." 8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

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Иоанна 14

6 ИиÑÑƒÑ Ñказал ему: Я еÑмь путь и иÑтина и Ризнь; никто не приходит к Отцу, как только через МенÑ. 7 ЕÑли бы вы знали МенÑ, то знали бы и Отца Моего. И отныне знаете Его и видели Его. 8 Филипп Ñказал Ему: ГоÑподи! покаРи нам Отца, и довольно Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð½Ð°Ñ. 9 ИиÑÑƒÑ Ñказал ему: Ñтолько времени Я Ñ Ð²Ð°Ð¼Ð¸, и Ñ‚Ñ‹ не знаешь МенÑ, Филипп? Видевший ÐœÐµÐ½Ñ Ð²Ð¸Ð´ÐµÐ» Отца; как Ре Ñ‚Ñ‹ говоришь, покаРи нам Отца?

 

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EGK, Thank You for your kind words.

 

I remember reading Chapter 14 of the Gospel of John, which is probably my favorite chapter of the Bible for the first time as an adult and coming to the discourse between Philip and Jesus and getting a profound hit between the eyes. Jesus tells Philip have I been with you all this time and you don't know me? Why? Well that was ME! I was raised in a profoundly Christian Molokan home where my parents in the traditional Molokan way, led by example and not words. With this verse grabbing my very soul, Jesus asked WHY? With all of the examples of My Love that have been shown to you, you don't know my true identity. With that, thirty+ years later, I am in a quest to know Him better each and every day.

 

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." 8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

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Иоанна 14

6 ИиÑÑƒÑ Ñказал ему: Я еÑмь путь и иÑтина и Ризнь; никто не приходит к Отцу, как только через МенÑ. 7 ЕÑли бы вы знали МенÑ, то знали бы и Отца Моего. И отныне знаете Его и видели Его. 8 Филипп Ñказал Ему: ГоÑподи! покаРи нам Отца, и довольно Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð½Ð°Ñ. 9 ИиÑÑƒÑ Ñказал ему: Ñтолько времени Я Ñ Ð²Ð°Ð¼Ð¸, и Ñ‚Ñ‹ не знаешь МенÑ, Филипп? Видевший ÐœÐµÐ½Ñ Ð²Ð¸Ð´ÐµÐ» Отца; как Ре Ñ‚Ñ‹ говоришь, покаРи нам Отца?

 

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Lastinline:

 

I also have been deeply touched by a chapter out of the book of John. For me it is Chapter 21: 24-31.

 

"But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the prints of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, MY LORD AND MY GOD. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God: and that believing ye might have life through his name." KJV

 

It couldn't be clearer could it. The decision is for all of us to make, accept or deny Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ offers everlasting life, others only offer everlasting condemnation and torment. Yet people still choose to disregard what is so clear and easy to understand.

 

I was at a wedding awhile back and listened to the speakers talking to the newlyweds. All of them encouraged them to come to church, join a spevka and to never divorce. I was waiting for just one of these speakers to tell the young couple, learn about Jesus Christ and then come to church, but none said a word about this. Then they wonder why are we losing so many to the secular world around us, how blind can you be! But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and these things shall be added unto you." Mth 6: 33"

 

EGK (Just letting off some steam)

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EGK, the book of John is the first book I read to get to know Jesus. After reading your last post, this Scripture came immediately to my mind.

God Bless!

 

John 6:65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father." 66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?" 68 But Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 "Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

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What twist and turns, mind games, deceptions would someone need to put themself through to make Jesus Christ of Nazareth not God the Son? With this Scripture from Revelations.

 

Care to try? And, please don't lie to yourself.

 

Revelation 21: 1. Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away." 5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful." 6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

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Remember also Please, Rev 20:6. Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

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Says the SAME thing in Russian, now isn't that interesting? huh................

 

Откровение Иоанна 21: 1 И увидел Ñ Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð¾Ðµ небо и новую землю, ибо преРнее небо и преРнÑÑ Ð·ÐµÐ¼Ð»Ñ Ð¼Ð¸Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð»Ð¸, и Ð¼Ð¾Ñ€Ñ ÑƒÐ Ðµ нет. 2 И Ñ, Иоанн, увидел ÑвÑтый город ИеруÑалим, новый, ÑходÑщий от Бога Ñ Ð½ÐµÐ±Ð°, приготовленный как невеÑта, ÑƒÐºÑ€Ð°ÑˆÐµÐ½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¼ÑƒÐ Ð° Ñвоего. 3 И уÑлышал Ñ Ð³Ñ€Ð¾Ð¼ÐºÐ¸Ð¹ Ð³Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ñ Ñ Ð½ÐµÐ±Ð°, говорÑщий: Ñе, ÑÐºÐ¸Ð½Ð¸Ñ Ð‘Ð¾Ð³Ð° Ñ Ñ‡ÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐºÐ°Ð¼Ð¸, и Он будет обитать Ñ Ð½Ð¸Ð¼Ð¸; они будут Его народом, и Сам Бог Ñ Ð½Ð¸Ð¼Ð¸ будет Богом их. 4 И отрет Бог вÑÑкую Ñлезу Ñ Ð¾Ñ‡ÐµÐ¹ их, и Ñмерти не будет уРе; ни плача, ни воплÑ, ни болезни уРе не будет, ибо преРнее прошло. 5 И Ñказал СидÑщий на преÑтоле: Ñе, творю вÑе новое. И говорит мне: напиши; ибо Ñлова Ñии иÑтинны и верны. 6 И Ñказал мне: ÑовершилоÑÑŒ! Я еÑмь Ðльфа и Омега, начало и конец; РаРдущему дам даром от иÑточника воды Ривой. 7 ПобеРдающий наÑледует вÑе, и буду ему Богом, и он будет Мне Ñыном. 8 БоÑзливых Ре и неверных, и Ñкверных и убийц, и любодеев и чародеев, и идолоÑлуРителей и вÑех лРецов учаÑÑ‚ÑŒ в озере, горÑщем огнем и Ñерою. Это Ñмерть втораÑ.

 

Откровение Иоанна 20: 6 БлаРен и ÑвÑÑ‚ имеющий учаÑтие в воÑкреÑении первом: над ними Ñмерть Ð²Ñ‚Ð¾Ñ€Ð°Ñ Ð½Ðµ имеет влаÑти, но они будут ÑвÑщенниками Бога и ХриÑта и будут царÑтвовать Ñ Ðим Ñ‚Ñ‹ÑÑчу лет.

 

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Are you happy at knowing Who the Lord, truly IS?

 

PSALM 144

 

1. BLESSED be the LORD my Rock,

15. Happy are the people who are in such a state; Happy are the people whose God is the LORD!

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Psalm 146:5 Happy is he who has the God of Jacob for his help, Whose hope is in the LORD his God, 6 Who made heaven and earth, The sea, and all that is in them; Who keeps truth forever,

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Quite clear here, Who He is and what He created! Absolutely everything!

 

John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

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Eventually all will be compelled to acknowledge who He truly is!

 

Philippians 2: 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

 

ПÑалом 144

1 (143-1) БлагоÑловен ГоÑподь, Ñ‚Ð²ÐµÑ€Ð´Ñ‹Ð½Ñ Ð¼Ð¾Ñ, научающий руки мои битве и перÑÑ‚Ñ‹ мои брани,

15 (143-15) БлаРен народ, у которого Ñто еÑÑ‚ÑŒ. БлаРен народ, у которого ГоÑподь еÑÑ‚ÑŒ Бог.

 

ПÑалом 146

5 (145-5) БлаРен, кому помощник Бог Иаковлев, у кого надеРда на ГоÑпода Бога его,

6 (145-6) Ñотворившего небо и землю, море и вÑе, что в них, вечно хранÑщего верноÑÑ‚ÑŒ,

 

Иоанна 1

1 В начале было Слово, и Слово было у Бога, и Слово было Бог.

2 Оно было в начале у Бога.

3 Ð’Ñе чрез Ðего начало быть, и без Ðего ничто не начало быть, что начало быть.

 

Филиппийцам 2

9 ПоÑему и Бог Ð¿Ñ€ÐµÐ²Ð¾Ð·Ð½ÐµÑ Ð•Ð³Ð¾ и дал Ему Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð²Ñ‹ÑˆÐµ вÑÑкого имени,

10 дабы пред именем ИиÑуÑа преклонилоÑÑŒ вÑÑкое колено небеÑных, земных и преиÑподних,

11 и вÑÑкий Ñзык иÑповедал, что ГоÑподь ИиÑÑƒÑ Ð¥Ñ€Ð¸ÑÑ‚Ð¾Ñ Ð² Ñлаву Бога Отца.

 

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In his first encounter with God, Moses, while receiving his instructions to lead the Jews out of bondage he asked God, when the Israelites ask me who sent me, what will I say? God's clear response was;

 

Exodus 3:14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" 15 Moreover God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: 'The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.'

 

ИÑход 3:14 Бог Ñказал МоиÑею: Я еÑмь Сущий. И Ñказал: так ÑкаРи Ñынам Израилевым: Сущий [Иегова] поÑлал Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ Ðº вам. 15 И Ñказал еще Бог МоиÑею: так ÑкаРи Ñынам Израилевым: ГоÑподь, Бог отцов ваших, Бог Ðвраама, Бог ИÑаака и Бог Иакова поÑлал Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ Ðº вам. Вот Ð¸Ð¼Ñ ÐœÐ¾Ðµ на веки, и памÑтование о Мне из рода в род.

 

 

In a confrontation with Christ, the religious leaders challenged Christ's contention that their father Abraham had looked forward to Christ in John 9: 56, at which they responded;

 

John 8:57 Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" NKJV

 

At this God the Son stated: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

 

Their response was to pick up stones to throw at Him for proclaiming Himself to be the Great I AM.

 

Иоанна 8: 58 ИиÑÑƒÑ Ñказал им: иÑтинно, иÑтинно говорю вам: преРде неРели был Ðвраам, Я еÑмь.

 

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Back to the Top and don't miss the great conclusion!

 

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Simple math, simple Truth - Jesus Christ = God

 

Lord God = Trinity

 

Jesus Christ of Nazareth = God the Son

 

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His Words - Clear and concise.

 

John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." NKJV

 

Иоанна 8: 24 Потому Я и Ñказал вам, что вы умрете во грехах ваших; ибо еÑли не уверуете, что Ñто Я, то умрете во грехах ваших.

 

PSALM 8; Begins and ends with this statement. Is this true in your body, soul and spirit? No one can answer that question but you, yourself!

 

O LORD, our Lord, How excellent is Your name in all the earth,

 

ГоÑподи, БоРе наш! Как величеÑтвенно Ð¸Ð¼Ñ Ð¢Ð²Ð¾Ðµ по вÑей земле!

 

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King David in Psalm 144 proclaims,

 

Verse 1: Blessed be the LORD my Rock,

 

and then ends with this in verse 15,

 

Happy are the people whose God is the LORD!

 

In Romans 14:11, Apostle Paul, declares, For it is written:

 

" As I live, says the LORD,

Every knee shall bow to Me,

And every tongue shall confess to God."

 

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.

 

Paul is quoting from Isaiah the 45th chapter where God and Lord are used interchangeably. Can you?

 

Here from Isaiah 45, are some examples; 21 (b) Have not I, the LORD?

And there is no other God besides Me,

A just God and a Savior;

There is none besides Me.

 

Verse 22; " Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.

 

Ask yourself, who do you bow down to, as God, as Lord and as Savior? Where does your righteousness and strength come from?

 

Isaiah 45: 23 I have sworn by Myself;

The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,

And shall not return,

That to Me every knee shall bow,

Every tongue shall take an oath.

24 He shall say,

 

˜ Surely in the LORD I have righteousness and strength.

To Him men shall come,

And all shall be ashamed

Who are incensed against Him.

 

All of us are either for Him or incensed against HIM.

 

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I would like to bring to your attention to the verse in Deuteronomy 6:4; "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD [is] one! NKJV

 

The word "one" used in this verse is a form that denotes a multiple unit of "one." I would like to please go to a web-site where this is discussed.

 

Please Click Here: Hebrew Word for ONE

 

I would like you to PLEASE pay special attention to these three statements that are made in this compelling and thoughtful discussion.

 

1. Perhaps one of the strongest arguments the Trinitarian can use in the discussion of the words "echad" and "yachid" is the fact that Jews shortly after the rise of Christianity removed "echad" from Deut 6:4 and added in its place the word "yachid".

 

2. If the use of "echad" instead of "yachid" in Deut 6:4 gave no help to the early Christians in proving to the Jews that Yahweh of the Old Testament was a multi-personal God, then Jews would not have felt compelled to change the word. If it is really that insignificant, then they would have told us the argument Christians were using to prove trinity is invalid to native Hebrews who know and speak the language. But instead, the Jews responded by changing the word in Deut 6:4 from the unified oneness (echad) to the numeric oneness (yachid).

 

3. Jesus quoted Deut 6:4 in Mk 12:29 and chose the "unified oneness" word "hen" which is the same word used by Jesus in Mt 19:5, "the two shall become one (hen) flesh. It is significant that Jesus did not use "mono" in Mk 12:29. The word "hen" directly corresponds to "echad" which was used in Deut 6:4. Both texts used "unified oneness" words rather than absolute numeric oneness to the exclusion of all others.

 

Please give this your consideration in trying to get a firm understanding of who Jesus Christ of Nazareth claims to be in the Holy Scriptures.

 

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