Not For The Faint Of Heart!

lastinline · April 10, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 7 2010, 08:55 PM' post='54774'
The way I see it, there are 2 choices.

-Accept Molokan faith completely, knowing the Spirit and Life is inspired by God

-Or go, and find a place of like mindedness, for this is scriptural.

It seems that some seem to skirt around some issues and then boldly they bring their true desires to the forefront.

I remember a treasured Molokan Christian friend who is well known in his congregation as being against the S&L, telling me, after enduring many condemning looks of (why is he here?) disdain for him when he entered his Molokan Congregation he sometimes wished the leadership would just ask him to leave and never return, so he could be forced into a decision to no longer attend.

My thought is a "CALL TO ARMS" to all who are of a like mind with "agua" with your desire to rid yourselves all the non-conforming Molokans in your midst. You need to incite a "Call to Spiritual Purity" to the four corners of the Molokan Brethren. This is my proposal to you to PLEASE consider diligently.

Get speakers to begin a continued movement during speeches to make a case that non-conformists should be removed from the Molokan Churches to achieve Spiritual Purity. A good starting place would be the revered New Israelite at Lake Avenue SJB. I am sure other strong New Israelites would pick up the torch of MGR and light fires for calls to purity elsewhere. MMP at Siskiyou would greatly enjoy this, as would BJB at Milikoy.

2. I am quite sure that at Lake Avenue the dystvanykee would bring a message to further the torch, especially JJH or surely the new member from Yerevan would have a fire lite under him or be called upon to affirm JJH.

3. Make a call for each Molokan Congregation that desires to remain under Molokan Certification to call for each and every member of it's membership to affirm an oath of allegiance and devotion to all the tenets of Spirit and Life Book during a mandatory attendance meeting at their Molokan Congregation. This should also be done in writing by each member and then certified by the prestol with full written documentation sent to a central location of a governing board of Molokan Ministers and highly-esteemed elders to scrutinze and then certify each Congregation that is in compliance of Spiritual Purity.

4. After this is completed, documentation should be sent each congregation on which Congregations are in full compliance.

5. A powerful group of esteemed elders should be appointed to monitor each Congregation in such a way as to assure continued adherence to Spiritual Purity.

6. A re-certification should be done periodically, possibly on a bi-annual basis.

I seems to me to do anything less would be hypocritical in some way.

lastinline (where a desire to serve HIM continues)

seeking_truth_1 · April 10, 2010

I believe this to be a novel idea but I really believe it's putting the horse before the cart

You need to be in earnest prayer regarding the situation

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12)

You cannot underestimate the enemy when you engaging in such a work

Be prepared for anything

When you truly begin to do this, you will experience unbridled Spiritual warfare that WILL "splash" into your personal life

If you've never had problems....Get ready

Next, You cannot give what you do not have

Meaning if you are not being fed a regular diet of Spiritual food from a Bible ONLY teaching Church you will not do well

Ministry is not gritting your teeth and pressing in with human effort

Ministry comes for an overflow out of a Spirit filled life. You cannot give out of your lack

You need to be in fellowship with like minded believers who can pray, encourage and support you and then and only then can you battle successfully

Finally you may very well have to leave

Except the LORD build the house, they labor in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain. (Psalm 127:1)

You need to get very honest as to your motivations for trying to "fix" things

I know people who have been "fixing" for decades and NOTHING has changed in fact I'd have to say they are worse

April 10, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 7 2010, 08:55 PM' post='54774'
The way I see it, there are 2 choices.

-Accept Molokan faith completely, knowing the Spirit and Life is inspired by God

-Or go, and find a place of like mindedness, for this is scriptural.

It seems that some seem to skirt around some issues and then boldly they bring their true desires to the forefront.

I remember a treasured Molokan Christian friend who is well known in his congregation as being against the S&L, telling me, after enduring many condemning looks of (why is he here?) disdain for him when he entered his Molokan Congregation he sometimes wished the leadership would just ask him to leave and never return, so he could be forced into a decision to no longer attend.

My thought is a "CALL TO ARMS" to all who are of a like mind with "agua" with your desire to rid yourselves all the non-conforming Molokans in your midst. You need to incite a "Call to Spiritual Purity" to the four corners of the Molokan Brethren. This is my proposal to you to PLEASE consider diligently.

Get speakers to begin a continued movement during speeches to make a case that non-conformists should be removed from the Molokan Churches to achieve Spiritual Purity. A good starting place would be the revered New Israelite at Lake Avenue SJB. I am sure other strong New Israelites would pick up the torch of MGR and light fires for calls to purity elsewhere. MMP at Siskiyou would greatly enjoy this, as would BJB at Milikoy.

2. I am quite sure that at Lake Avenue the dystvanykee would bring a message to further the torch, especially JJH or surely the new member from Yerevan would have a fire lite under him or be called upon to affirm JJH.

3. Make a call for each Molokan Congregation that desires to remain under Molokan Certification to call for each and every member of it's membership to affirm an oath of allegiance and devotion to all the tenets of Spirit and Life Book during a mandatory attendance meeting at their Molokan Congregation. This should also be done in writing by each member and then certified by the prestol with full written documentation sent to a central location of a governing board of Molokan Ministers and highly-esteemed elders to scrutinze and then certify each Congregation that is in compliance of Spiritual Purity.

4. After this is completed, documentation should be sent each congregation on which Congregations are in full compliance.

5. A powerful group of esteemed elders should be appointed to monitor each Congregation in such a way as to assure continued adherence to Spiritual Purity.

6. A re-certification should be done periodically, possibly on a bi-annual basis.

I seems to me to do anything less would be hypocritical in some way.

lastinline (where a desire to serve HIM continues)

It appears you have a set threshold of MGR and that line has yet to be crossed. Seems like it would take quite a bit to get you to leave a church that is based on the Bible and Spirit and Life.

Deep down you must believe the writings of MGR to be true.

I really wouldn't want to see anyone leave, but how can you attend a church that openly accepts the Spirit and Life as Inspired by God?

lastinline · April 11, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 10 2010, 04:12 PM' post='55091'
Deep down you must believe the writings of MGR to be true.

Quiet PLEASE ! I don't want anyone to know that!

'agua' date='Apr 10 2010, 04:12 PM' post='55091'
I really wouldn't want to see anyone leave,

I find that difficult to believe and also quite hypocritical. In your "new israel" belief system, a Molokan whose reverence is ONLY for The Holy Scriptures that you will at least at times rub-elbows with (during large gathering) who is no different, in your mgr mindset then any swine eating Baptist, Pentecostal or Calvary Christian which you would never desire having a discussion of matters of Faith and/or the True meaning of a God-centered life, because to do so would make you unclean to the Molokan Brotherhood.

So you should be on the front-lines for calling for a movement to Spiritual Purity in the Molokan Brotherhood, because for you to do anything else would be highly hypocritical, because this is clearly scriptural in the Spirit and Life view of the world.

lastinline (where Spiritual Purity abounds)

lastinline · April 11, 2010

I recall a Call for "Spiritual Purity" by a person in a Letter to the Editor article written in the Molokan Newsletter put out by the UMCA a several of years ago.

In this Desatoff article, Molokans were criticized for inviting non-Molokan guests to Molokan services. He seemed to insinuate that they were destroying the "Spiritual Purity" of a Molokan ceremony. He said that they would be a disruption in some way to the services. In other-wards, he was uncomfortable having unclean people around him.

If in fact the Molokan belief system were the only way God can be approached (new israel), why would he not desire these people to experience God's presence at this gathering. Surely they were at that very time the neighbor that he is commanded to love as himself by Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Also remember that Apostle Paul tells us:

Hebrews 13: 1 Let brotherly love continue. 2 Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels. NKJV

Евреям 13: 1 Братолюбие [между вами] да пребывает. 2 Страннолюбия не забывайте, ибо через него некоторые, не зная, оказали гостеприимство Ангелам.

Oddly this article came in an issue that was sent with a note to my home because I had not renewed my subscription for a number of years and I was told to read and realize what I was missing. Wow, the issue just merely reinforced my reasons for no longer receiving the Newsletter.

lastinline (& telling it like truly IS)

lastinline · April 12, 2010

Demands for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" are nothing new in many areas of the Molokan experience.

1. Milikoy has on many occasions had a self-appointed Sargent of arms requesting and/or demanding that undesirables leave the altar for prayer.

2. Clark Street has for the most part achieved purity from it's inception.

3. McKinley Avenue has had many instances where undesirables have been escorted off the altar to keep so-called purity on it's alter. This was a strong draw for strong New Israelite believers to have a desire to belong there and for some that did not quite prove their pedigree were told to go elsewhere.

4. Lake Avenue is currently endeavoring to become a bastion of New Israelite adherence. There have been occasions when there when undesirables have been told to leave the alter.

5. The UMCA of Cental Valley has a policy of scrutiny for all parties that want to rent the facilities for personal events. The rental agreement states that the renter pledges to not invite any un-desirables to the function that the facilities will be used for and they are warned if they are found to not be in compliance, their security deposit will not be returned.

So let the "Call to Arms" begin for all Molokan Congregations to become "Spiritually Pure."

lastinline (& with nothing else to say for now)

April 12, 2010

Demands for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" are nothing new in many areas of the Molokan experience.

1. Milikoy has on many occasions had a self-appointed Sargent of arms requesting and/or demanding that undesirables leave the altar for prayer.

2. Clark Street has for the most part achieved purity from it's inception.

3. McKinley Avenue has had many instances where undesirables have been escorted off the altar to keep so-called purity on it's alter. This was a strong draw for strong New Israelite believers to have a desire to belong there and for some that did not quite prove their pedigree were told to go elsewhere.

4. Lake Avenue is currently endeavoring to become a bastion of New Israelite adherence. There have been occasions when there when undesirables have been told to leave the alter.

5. The UMCA of Cental Valley has a policy of scrutiny for all parties that want to rent the facilities for personal events. The rental agreement states that the renter pledges to not invite any un-desirables to the function that the facilities will be used for and they are warned if they are found to not be in compliance, their security deposit will not be returned.

So let the "Call to Arms" begin for all Molokan Congregations to become "Spiritually Pure."

lastinline (& with nothing else to say for now)

April 12, 2010

Demands for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" are nothing new in many areas of the Molokan experience.

1. Milikoy has on many occasions had a self-appointed Sargent of arms requesting and/or demanding that undesirables leave the altar for prayer.

2. Clark Street has for the most part achieved purity from it's inception.

3. McKinley Avenue has had many instances where undesirables have been escorted off the altar to keep so-called purity on it's alter. This was a strong draw for strong New Israelite believers to have a desire to belong there and for some that did not quite prove their pedigree were told to go elsewhere.

4. Lake Avenue is currently endeavoring to become a bastion of New Israelite adherence. There have been occasions when there when undesirables have been told to leave the alter.

5. The UMCA of Cental Valley has a policy of scrutiny for all parties that want to rent the facilities for personal events. The rental agreement states that the renter pledges to not invite any un-desirables to the function that the facilities will be used for and they are warned if they are found to not be in compliance, their security deposit will not be returned.

So let the "Call to Arms" begin for all Molokan Congregations to become "Spiritually Pure."

lastinline (& with nothing else to say for now)

lastinline · April 12, 2010

Just IMAGINE what could happen if we could achieve "SPIRITUAL PURITY."

Jehovah Rapha

Exodus 15:26 “If you diligently heed the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the LORD who heals you.” NKJV

Исход 15: 26 И сказал: если ты будешь слушаться гласа Господа, Бога твоего, и делать угодное пред очами Его, и внимать заповедям Его, и соблюдать все уставы Его, то не наведу на тебя ни одной из болезней, которые навел Я на Египет, ибо Я Господь, целитель твой.

lastinline

April 12, 2010

why do you insist on gathering with Spirit and Life advocates?

Are we not to gather with like-minded believers?

I don't see your teaching making any progress, at what point do you shake the dust off your shoes and move on?

Are you putting family, friends, etc before the Lord?

I really don't even want an answer, just something one should seriously think about.

seeking_truth_1 · April 12, 2010

Interesting

I guess that's another way of saying "just leave and don't bother us"

Why do the 2 book molokans think it's their "church"?

Seems to me the 2 bookers need to get the boot not the other way around

lastinline · April 13, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 12 2010, 01:43 PM' post='55240']
why do you insist on gathering with Spirit and Life advocates?

What exactly are you afraid of? Do you not realize that your mgr spirit is being hindered by people that are infidels in the "new israel" belief system?

Can you not envision the POWER that you would have if these infidels were not there to hinder the movement of your "king of spirits"? Did not the "king of spirits" proclaim powers that only his true believers could partake in?

Again, I ask what would a person like yourself that possesses the spirit of the "third face" fear in removing the infidels from novi abrat services.

lastinline (& just trying to help)

April 13, 2010

People here are so quick to point out pages and pages upon pages of pinned threads against the Spirit and Life, forming a mob like mentality against Spirit and Life and the churches that support this true faith.

I guess I just have to laugh at how certain ones will continue to partake in the "So-called" false faith that they so blatantly slam as from the Satan himself.

See you on Lake Ave, LOL..................I mean LIL.

seeking_truth_1 · April 13, 2010

Hold on there turbo...

Aren't you a little quick to dismiss the "pages and pages upon pages of pinned threads"?

They are against because the s&l DOES NOT line up with Scripture and those "pages and pages upon pages of pinned threads" underscore that reality for all to see

A "mob mentality"?

Also known as "herd mentality

"Herd mentality implies a fear-based reaction to peer pressure which makes individuals act in order to avoid feeling “left behind” from the group."

Fear based reaction to peer pressure?

That sounds like the cult of molokanism

As to "true faith" being in the cult of molokanism we need to define terms

It's certainly a "faith" based in certain religious tenets

Those religious tenets are true in that they are held and observed commonly

Such as: Wearing russian clothing

Do the members of the cult of molokanism wear russian clothing

That is true

Do the members of the cult of molokanism regularly practice racism under the guise of "spiritual purity"?

This is true

You will find many of these truths within the group

The difference is there are true statements but they ARE NOT rooted in TRUTH as in Biblical TRUTH

Your use of the phrase "true faith" is a misnomer as to somehow indicate your "true faith" is TRUTH

There is only ONE Truth when it comes to how Salvation is secured, Who Jesus is and the veracity of Scripture

The cult of molokanism is devoid of the Truth as found in Scripture hence all those "pages and pages upon pages of pinned threads"

You should read them

However I do have to agree with you on one point

That is why do those who should know better still actively partake in the false faith of molokanism

Something has to give

Either they need to leave or the 2 bookers have to

This luke warm stuff is, well luke warm

People here are so quick to point out pages and pages upon pages of pinned threads against the Spirit and Life, forming a mob like mentality against Spirit and Life and the churches that support this true faith.
I guess I just have to laugh at how certain ones will continue to partake in the "So-called" false faith that they so blatantly slam as from the Satan himself.

See you on Lake Ave, LOL..................I mean LIL.

lastinline · April 13, 2010

See you on Lake Ave, LOL..................I mean LIL.

No, not going to happen, 18th, Monterey Park and 25th Shafter. So, I guess you will laugh out loud and rejoice with I'd say about 24 others and realize what a powerful draw the "new israel" novi abrat is to the world.

Oh, by the way you'll find the a little something that you might want to share with a ne-nash (i hate that word) friend or acquittance that eats pork and has suffered the loss of a child. Because of their actions, the child they lost will:

After death, children, whose parents do no live by the will of God, are brought by a pale horse to a swampy area and transported from here in dark seclusion, remain there until the judgment of God. There is a multitude of such children, and they cry child-like. It is a pity they exist in such suffering.

This is there for all new israelites to ponder and rejoice in, s&l EGK Article 26, page 655, verses 12 & 13.

It's a pity that you will not share with a ne-nash (i hate that word) friend, so they will stop eating pork and join you at your "new israel" congregation. To do anything else means you hate your neighbor as you hate yourself.

Again, I call for all new israelites to embrace "SPIRITUAL PURITY."

lastinline (& at your service)

April 13, 2010

See you on Lake Ave, LOL..................I mean LIL.

No, not going to happen, 18th, Monterey Park and 25th Shafter. So, I guess you will laugh out loud and rejoice with I'd say about 24 others and realize what a powerful draw the "new israel" novi abrat is to the world.

Oh, by the way you'll find the a little something that you might want to share with a ne-nash (i hate that word) friend or acquittance that eats pork and has suffered the loss of a child. Because of their actions, the child they lost will:

After death, children, whose parents do no live by the will of God, are brought by a pale horse to a swampy area and transported from here in dark seclusion, remain there until the judgment of God. There is a multitude of such children, and they cry child-like. It is a pity they exist in such suffering.

This is there for all new israelites to ponder and rejoice in, s&l EGK Article 26, page 655, verses 12 & 13.

It's a pity that you will not share with a ne-nash (i hate that word) friend, so they will stop eating pork and join you at your "new israel" congregation. To do anything else means you hate your neighbor as you hate yourself.

Again, I call for all new israelites to embrace "SPIRITUAL PURITY."

lastinline (& at your service)

Wow...Lastinline you are going to Shafter church....one of the worst hyprocritic churches out there and a real maximists congregation......say hello to Danny boy while you are there. I have alot of relatives that go there and it is real sad what goes on there....was a good church when Nazaroff was the preacher....very Godly man. The head preacher know is such a unGodly man and a hyprocrte that all we can do is pray for him.

April 13, 2010

I always thought that the alter in our churches was where a person can come an pray to God. I didn't know that it was only for a pure person to come to. By the way, what is the definition of pure? Is it pure in heart or pure in adhearance to only the Molokan way and no other? And why would a self-appointed person have the authority to remove someone from the alter if the person who wants to pray is truly wanting to pray to God. God is no respector of persons but it sounds like the pruity police are, and that only molokans can pray to God and no one else.

April 13, 2010

Any special reason you'd need to be in Monterey Park on the 18th?

lastinline · April 13, 2010

Any special reason you'd need to be in Monterey Park on the 18th?

Shoot, I was trying to be incognito, oops.

lastinline

lastinline · April 13, 2010

'guest' date='Apr 13 2010, 11:47 AM' post='55349'
Wow...Lastinline you are going to Shafter church....one of the worst hyprocritic churches out there and a real maximists congregation......say hello to Danny boy while you are there. I have alot of relatives that go there and it is real sad what goes on there....was a good church when Nazaroff was the preacher....very Godly man. The head preacher know is such a unGodly man and a hyprocrte that all we can do is pray for him.

I will be a very special guest and will have a very special message for all who will listen. Yes, the Nazaroff minister was a wonderful Godly Man.

lastinline (patiently waiting 4 the Lord Himself to descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God)

lastinline · April 13, 2010

God is no respector of persons but it sounds like the purity police are, and that only molokans can pray to God and no one else.

My dear mother used to say about this type of person was "they believe that they have no dirt under their feet" which in the case of this person, actually has a lot of havno on his shoes as he does his air conditioning work.

Again I ask, let all "new israelites" embrace SPIRITUAL PURITY for to do anything less would be highly hypocritical.

lastinline (where the havno is removed by the Blood of the Lamb)

April 14, 2010

Any special reason you'd need to be in Monterey Park on the 18th?

Shoot, I was trying to be incognito, oops.

lastinline

From page 742 S&L

Consider the Scriptures of Sirach which say, "Prohibit not grace for the living and the dead." (Sir 7:33)

The apostle also said, "Just as Jesus died ans was raised, so will God bring those who die in Jesus with Him."

Also remember the fast of King David for Saul and his son Jonathon, as well as that of Judas of Maccabees for the sins of his men who personally fell before him in battle. And for this truly you will all become holy and gracious. Amen.

This song on the day of the dinner is for all the deceased alike, as a memorial to them once a year, and also once at the time of burial...........................MGR

It's nice to see you'll be following the order set forth by MGR.

maybe I'll see you at monterey park church. Where we fulfill the order of MGR, passed down generation to generation.

Am I the only one that finds it peculiar that one would denounce the Spirit and Life and MGR completely, yet travel close to 4 hours to fulfill what MGR says we should do? Prayer and asking for mercy on the souls of the deceased and for us the living.

lastinline · April 14, 2010

'justseeingwhatsgoingon' date='Apr 14 2010, 12:04 AM' post='55418'
We have been put in the parameters of the Molokan religion to seek the LORD. If you don't like those parameters which include instruction from the Spirit and Life, certain church customs, dress customs and food laws and many others then go away.

I'm quite happy that you have decided to join me in calling for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" in the Molokan Brotherhood to bring about true spiritual bliss and be able to as you say "seek the LORD" without hindrances of having undesirables in your presence in you endeavors to "seek the LORD."

So, please again read this strand in it's entirety and take up the "CALL TO ARMS" and rid yourself of the undesirables that attend your congregation.

Please contact revered bisednik SJB at Lake Avenue to begin this process, post haste.

And again I ask, all "new israelites" to please embrace "SPIRITUAL PURITY," for to do anything else would be totally hypocritical.

lastinline (where Jesus brings great JOY)

lastinline · April 14, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 13 2010, 08:19 PM' post='55406'
It's nice to see you'll be following the order set forth by MGR.

maybe I'll see you at monterey park church. Where we fulfill the order of MGR, passed down generation to generation.

Am I the only one that finds it peculiar that one would denounce the Spirit and Life and MGR completely, yet travel close to 4 hours to fulfill what MGR says we should do? Prayer and asking for mercy on the souls of the deceased and for us the living.

I haven't gotten a clue from your truly thought provoking posts, on my "Call to Arms," or will you continue to be hypocritical on this issue of achieving "SPIRITUAL PURITY"? Or, have already begun this admirable endeavor without notifying us? How has your minister responded to your sincere heart-felt desires?

You do seem to agree that mgr's belief system is his own, since you do not give us literally countless quotes from the Holy Scriptures to back up his claims of being a true messiah to new israel, appointed by God to speak on this matter of a purgatory belief system.

On the matter of you finding me "peculiar," I find this to be admirable trait to Born Again Believers, who stand in HIS marvelous Light. Please see what Apostle Peter says on this matter:

1 Peter 2: 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light; 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. KJV

And now let me give it to you in the language that in your "new israel" belief system that is the only way your almighty god communicates with his chosen people.

1-e Петра 2: 9 Но вы--род избранный, царственное священство, народ святой, люди, взятые в удел, дабы возвещать совершенства Призвавшего вас из тьмы в чудный Свой свет; 10 некогда не народ, а ныне народ Божий; [некогда] непомилованные, а ныне помилованы.

lastinline (where the only MIGHTY GOD is my personal Saviour)

April 15, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 13 2010, 08:19 PM' post='55406'
It's nice to see you'll be following the order set forth by MGR.

maybe I'll see you at monterey park church. Where we fulfill the order of MGR, passed down generation to generation.

Am I the only one that finds it peculiar that one would denounce the Spirit and Life and MGR completely, yet travel close to 4 hours to fulfill what MGR says we should do? Prayer and asking for mercy on the souls of the deceased and for us the living.

I haven't gotten a clue from your truly thought provoking posts, on my "Call to Arms," or will you continue to be hypocritical on this issue of achieving "SPIRITUAL PURITY"? Or, have already begun this admirable endeavor without notifying us? How has your minister responded to your sincere heart-felt desires?

You do seem to agree that mgr's belief system is his own, since you do not give us literally countless quotes from the Holy Scriptures to back up his claims of being a true messiah to new israel, appointed by God to speak on this matter of a purgatory belief system.

On the matter of you finding me "peculiar," I find this to be admirable trait to Born Again Believers, who stand in HIS marvelous Light. Please see what Apostle Peter says on this matter:

1 Peter 2: 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light; 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. KJV

And now let me give it to you in the language that in your "new israel" belief system that is the only way your almighty god communicates with his chosen people.

1-e Петра 2: 9 Но вы--род избранный, царственное священство, народ святой, люди, взятые в удел, дабы возвещать совершенства Призвавшего вас из тьмы в чудный Свой свет; 10 некогда не народ, а ныне народ Божий; [некогда] непомилованные, а ныне помилованы.

lastinline (where the only MIGHTY GOD is my personal Saviour)

When you're standing there on Sunday morning how will you feel knowing you are partaking in a order of worship given to us by MGR?

Pay careful attention to the prayers that will be prayed and to the words of the songs that are sung and to the speeches that are made, for you will be a partaker.

I still don't understand how someone can be so completely against something yet so willing to partake in it.

seeking_truth_1 · April 15, 2010

I agree

I don't either

It seems to me they (those who call themselves Christians ans still want to involve themselves in the cult of molokanism) should throw the s&l into the trash and boot the 2-bookers out the door

LTTBT · April 15, 2010

I agree

I don't either

It seems to me they (those who call themselves Christians ans still want to involve themselves in the cult of molokanism) should throw the s&l into the trash and boot the 2-bookers out the door

Why don't you lead the "booting"?

lastinline · April 15, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 14 2010, 10:43 PM' post='55518'
I still don't understand how someone can be so completely against something yet so willing to partake in it.

1 Timothy 2: 1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. NKJV

And now let me give it to you again in the language that in your "new israel" belief system that is the only way your almighty god communicates with his chosen people.

1-е Тимофею 2: 1 Итак прежде всего прошу совершать молитвы, прошения, моления, благодарения за всех человеков, 2 за царей и за всех начальствующих, дабы проводить нам жизнь тихую и безмятежную во всяком благочестии и чистоте, 3 ибо это хорошо и угодно Спасителю нашему Богу 4 Который хочет, чтобы все люди спаслись и достигли познания истины

Wow, even in Russian, my Savior is revealed as Almighty God by the Apostle to the Gentiles (which I am).

So agua, how did your minister react when you told him of your heart-felt desire for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" in your congregation?

lastinline (where Holy Scriptures, speak loud & clear)

LTTBT · April 15, 2010

I agree

I don't either

It seems to me they (those who call themselves Christians ans still want to involve themselves in the cult of molokanism) should throw the s&l into the trash and boot the 2-bookers out the door

Why don't you lead the "booting"?

Let's see your fruit, go get um.

April 15, 2010

lil, do you believe in making pominki for someone who's been dead for a year? MGR says to do so.

On your 4 hour drive down to LA, think about how your doing all this because MGR says to. Then you can come back on this website and bash MGR, Spirit and Life, EGK, Molokans, prophesy, etc

What is that called when someone preaches one thing and does something different?

LiL (lastinline "Do as I say, not as I do")

seeking_truth_1 · April 15, 2010

agua has a point

seeking_truth_1 · April 15, 2010

Participation on sites like this does afford the opportunity to provide information about the cult so people can make informed decisions

15 What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever?

16 And what union can there be between God's temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said:

"I will live in them

and walk among them.

I will be their God,

and they will be my people.

17 Therefore, come out from among unbelievers,

and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD.

Don't touch their filthy things,

and I will welcome you.

18 And I will be your Father,

and you will be my sons and daughters,

says the LORD Almighty." (2 Corinthians 6:15-18)

I'm not there...

How about you?

Why haven't you "come out from among unbelievers"?

I'm not actively participating in the cult so it seems the "booting" should fall to those who want to stay

Actually it should be coming from the "elders" but the "elders" are the problem

I agree

I don't either

It seems to me they (those who call themselves Christians ans still want to involve themselves in the cult of molokanism) should throw the s&l into the trash and boot the 2-bookers out the door

Why don't you lead the "booting"?

LTTBT · April 15, 2010

Participation on sites like this does afford the opportunity to provide information about the cult so people can make informed decisions

15 What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever?

16 And what union can there be between God's temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said:

"I will live in them

and walk among them.

I will be their God,

and they will be my people.

17 Therefore, come out from among unbelievers,

and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD.

Don't touch their filthy things,

and I will welcome you.

18 And I will be your Father,

and you will be my sons and daughters,

says the LORD Almighty." (2 Corinthians 6:15-18)

I'm not there...

How about you?

Why haven't you "come out from among unbelievers"?

I'm not actively participating in the cult so it seems the "booting" should fall to those who want to stay

Actually it should be coming from the "elders" but the "elders" are the problem

I agree

I don't either

It seems to me they (those who call themselves Christians ans still want to involve themselves in the cult of molokanism) should throw the s&l into the trash and boot the 2-bookers out the door

Why don't you lead the "booting"?

Why don't you show up and lay some Spiritual whoop on them?

Don't hide behind a computer! Jesus didn't, he went out and did business.

lastinline · April 15, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 15 2010, 11:34 AM' post='55588'
lil, do you believe in making pominki for someone who's been dead for a year? MGR says to do so.

mgr, told you to covet seven virgins as he did and when they lost it (virginity) waiting for him in the gulag, he cursed them to hell and gallantly coveted seven more. Wow, what a guy whose footsteps you want walk lock-step in. A year, is that the length of time that you expect to be in purgatory? What does mgr say purgatory will be like for you?

Remember, every knee shall bow, better now then latter! Спасителю нашему Богу, what about that?

lastinline (come on in the water (agua) is great & no purgatory necessary)

LTTBT · April 15, 2010

Remember, every knee shall bow, better now then latter! Спасителю нашему Богу, what about that?

lastinline (come on in the water (agua) is great & no purgatory necessary)

By that time it's too late.......

lastinline · April 15, 2010

Remember, every knee shall bow, better now then latter! Спасителю нашему Богу, what about that?

lastinline (come on in the water (agua) is great & no purgatory necessary)

By that time it's too late.......

I stand corrected, no chance after the train leaves the station.

lastinline (with bags packed & on the train & heading home)

lastinline · April 16, 2010

'watching' date='Apr 15 2010, 04:58 PM' post='55626'
Lastinline. Go away you hypocrite. You ###### on Molokans and go to a Molokan church. Build up the church or slither away.

'agua' date='Apr 7 2010, 08:55 PM' post='54774'
The way I see it, there are 2 choices.

-Accept Molokan faith completely, knowing the Spirit and Life is inspired by God

-Or go, and find a place of like mindedness, for this is scriptural.

Seems, for some reason this "watching" chap went to the wrong strand, so I redirected here. So, dear friend "watching," I've already proposed a plan to get undesirables to " Go away you hypocrite. You ######."

So get the ball rolling with your minister, right away!

'lastinline' date='Apr 10 2010, 01:19 PM' post='55081'
It seems that some seem to skirt around some issues and then boldly they bring their true desires to the forefront.

I remember a treasured Molokan Christian friend who is well known in his congregation as being against the S&L, telling me, after enduring many condemning looks of (why is he here?) disdain for him when he entered his Molokan Congregation he sometimes wished the leadership would just ask him to leave and never return, so he could be forced into a decision to no longer attend.

My thought is a "CALL TO ARMS" to all who are of a like mind with "agua" with your desire to rid yourselves all the non-conforming Molokans in your midst. You need to incite a "Call to Spiritual Purity" to the four corners of the Molokan Brethren. This is my proposal to you to PLEASE consider diligently.

Get speakers to begin a continued movement during speeches to make a case that non-conformists should be removed from the Molokan Churches to achieve Spiritual Purity. A good starting place would be the revered New Israelite at Lake Avenue SJB. I am sure other strong New Israelites would pick up the torch of MGR and light fires for calls to purity elsewhere. MMP at Siskiyou would greatly enjoy this, as would BJB at Milikoy.

2. I am quite sure that at Lake Avenue the dystvanykee would bring a message to further the torch, especially JJH or surely the new member from Yerevan would have a fire lite under him or be called upon to affirm JJH.

3. Make a call for each Molokan Congregation that desires to remain under Molokan Certification to call for each and every member of it's membership to affirm an oath of allegiance and devotion to all the tenets of Spirit and Life Book during a mandatory attendance meeting at their Molokan Congregation. This should also be done in writing by each member and then certified by the prestol with full written documentation sent to a central location of a governing board of Molokan Ministers and highly-esteemed elders to scrutinze and then certify each Congregation that is in compliance of Spiritual Purity.

4. After this is completed, documentation should be sent each congregation on which Congregations are in full compliance.

5. A powerful group of esteemed elders should be appointed to monitor each Congregation in such a way as to assure continued adherence to Spiritual Purity.

6. A re-certification should be done periodically, possibly on a bi-annual basis.

I seems to me to do anything less would be hypocritical in some way.

lastinline (where a desire to serve HIM continues)

April 16, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 15 2010, 11:34 AM' post='55588'
lil, do you believe in making pominki for someone who's been dead for a year? MGR says to do so.

mgr, told you to covet seven virgins as he did and when they lost it (virginity) waiting for him in the gulag, he cursed them to hell and gallantly coveted seven more. Wow, what a guy whose footsteps you want walk lock-step in. A year, is that the length of time that you expect to be in purgatory? What does mgr say purgatory will be like for you?

Remember, every knee shall bow, better now then latter! Спасителю нашему Богу, what about that?

lastinline (come on in the water (agua) is great & no purgatory necessary)

This is my point, you're following MGR, even though you deny it.

lastinline · April 16, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 15 2010, 11:34 AM' post='55588'
lil, do you believe in making pominki for someone who's been dead for a year? MGR says to do so.

mgr, told you to covet seven virgins as he did and when they lost it (virginity) waiting for him in the gulag, he cursed them to hell and gallantly coveted seven more. Wow, what a guy whose footsteps you want walk lock-step in. A year, is that the length of time that you expect to be in purgatory? What does mgr say purgatory will be like for you?

Remember, every knee shall bow, better now then latter! Спасителю нашему Богу, what about that?

lastinline (come on in the water (agua) is great & no purgatory necessary)

This is my point, you're following MGR, even though you deny it.

Wow, your great with the one-liners that bring me such kernels of GREAT spiritual truths, thanks, but no thanks.

lastinline (a follower of Jesus Christ my Lord God)

lastinline · April 18, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 15 2010, 09:41 PM' post='55653'
This is my point, you're following MGR, even though you deny it.

Isn't it so cool, that with a laptop and a verzion wireless modem a person can post from anywhere?

I find it weird that water-boy wanna-be (now bad-breath boy), makes a contention from a perch of great spiritual maturity, that I am some how a secret follower of mgr.

Let me give you, Agua, a very totally profound truth which is totally sound and logical, even to the most close-minded person. If the predominant theme, which for lack of a long dissertation here, which I will call "new israel" belief system, was/is proclaimed and written about by Maxim G. Rudomentkin, then he (Maxim) is now in hell and will not be a part of the first resurrection (Rev. 20:6). Instead, he will be later resurrected to face the White Throne Judgment and be judged by the works that he did, which will be, in part, for his proclaiming of the heretical "new israel" belief system. Then, he will be cast into the lake of fire, according to Revelation 20: 11-15.

The same will be true for me or anyone else who is not a follower of the Precious Lamb of God and believes exactly how He, Jesus, is proclaimed in the Holy Scriptures, Amen. EGK, please read that again.

So agua, can you please take the time to contemplate this question again, since you seem to be a glorious proponent of mgr's "new isreael" belief system. What does mgr say purgatory will be like for you?

Please remember in your pondering of this question that eventually, every knee shall bow to Jesus Christ as Lord, better now than latter! Спасителю нашему Богу, what about that?

And can we also get back to the issue at hand, that all new israelites need to get on board and embrace the need for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" in the Molokan Brotherhood. Please read post number #1 again, Please!

lastinline (where the welcome sign is ALWAYS out)

April 18, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 15 2010, 09:41 PM' post='55653'
This is my point, you're following MGR, even though you deny it.

Isn't it so cool, that with a laptop and a verzion wireless modem a person can post from anywhere?

I find it weird that water-boy wanna-be (now bad-breath boy), makes a contention from a perch of great spiritual maturity, that I am some how a secret follower of mgr.

Let me give you, Agua, a very totally profound truth which is totally sound and logical, even to the most close-minded person. If the predominant theme, which for lack of a long dissertation here, which I will call "new israel" belief system, was/is proclaimed and written about by Maxim G. Rudomentkin, then he (Maxim) is now in hell and will not be a part of the first resurrection (Rev. 20:6). Instead, he will be later resurrected to face the White Throne Judgment and be judged by the works that he did, which will be, in part, for his proclaiming of the heretical "new israel" belief system. Then, he will be cast into the lake of fire, according to Revelation 20: 11-15.

The same will be true for me or anyone else who is not a follower of the Precious Lamb of God and believes exactly how He, Jesus, is proclaimed in the Holy Scriptures, Amen. EGK, please read that again.

So agua, can you please take the time to contemplate this question again, since you seem to be a glorious proponent of mgr's "new isreael" belief system. What does mgr say purgatory will be like for you?

Please remember in your pondering of this question that eventually, every knee shall bow to Jesus Christ as Lord, better now than latter! Спасителю нашему Богу, what about that?

And can we also get back to the issue at hand, that all new israelites need to get on board and embrace the need for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" in the Molokan Brotherhood. Please read post number #1 again, Please!

lastinline (where the welcome sign is ALWAYS out)

taking a line from Seeking,

I will type this as slow as I can so you can understand.

Why, O Why do you continue to support/partake in the Obryt of MGR?

More and more of, MGR is in hell and any who follow him will end up there.

But:

Why, O Why do you continue to support/partake in the Obryt of MGR?

Oh and by the way I just brushed and flossed this morning. :biggrin:

Nick Shubin · April 19, 2010

Isn't it so cool, that with a laptop and a verzion wireless modem a person can post from anywhere?

I've yet to experience this wonder of new technology...but i just moved into the 21st century with a new cell phone. I'll have to give this remote posting thing a whirl! No more outdated Nextel phone for me!

lastinline · April 19, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 18 2010, 10:13 AM' post='55928'

Why, O Why do you continue to support/partake in the Obryt of MGR?

So agua, can you please take the time to contemplate this question again, since you seem to be a glorious proponent of mgr's "new israel" belief system. What does mgr say purgatory will be like for you?

Agua, why, O why do you continue to support/partake in the Obryt of purgatory/Catholicism.

I continue to call for all devoted new israelites to embrace the need for "SPIRITUAL PURITY," for I am sure that mgr would agree that to do anything else, would be highly hypocritical.

lastinline (where HIS doctrines are cherished & pondered)

lastinline · April 19, 2010

'agua' date='Apr 7 2010, 08:55 PM' post='54774'
The way I see it, there are 2 choices.

-Accept Molokan faith completely, knowing the Spirit and Life is inspired by God

-Or go, and find a place of like mindedness, for this is scriptural.

Seems you haven't been too convincing to your fellow "new israelites" to get on with it already, huh? With the cleansing! Well at least, I seem to have convinced you that your jesus is not my Jesus, so I've made progress on that front.

So agua, how's about giving us ingrates a little inside info on how and why your fellow new israelites don't feel the need get rid of us? Do they insult you when you bring up the issue or are they just not interested. Or, are you meeting and setting up the plan in a clandestine manner to have all the mechanisms in place and then ponce?

Perish the thought, though, are you actually on our side and simply strengthening us by playing "devil's advocate"?

Or, could just be trying to get enough "street cred" to infiltrate the MU for us? So, please get back to us soon.

Also, enough with the one-liners, it makes you look quite shallow, OK. You need to leave the shallowness to me!

Proverbs 8: 13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverse mouth I hate. NKJV

Притчи 8: 13 Страх Господень--ненавидеть зло; гордость и высокомерие и злой путь и коварные уста я ненавижу.

Proverbs 14: 12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death. NKJV

Притчи 14: 12 Есть пути, которые кажутся человеку прямыми; но конец их--путь к смерти.

Wow, that, Lord (Господ) designation, sure gets bandied about a lot, huh? Please remember until our last breath, we all are given the opportunity choose who our actual Lord is?

Joshua 24: 15(a) choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, (d) But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”

Иисус Навин 24: 15 то изберите себе ныне, кому служить, (d) а я и дом мой будем служить Господу.

lastinline (& having whole lot of fun 4 shallow is as shallow does)

lastinline · April 28, 2010

Are discussions underway or is it, as I believe that the powers-that-be realize that, crash and burn would be the outcome of such an endeavor. Surely there are individuals in leadership positions, that can envision the spiritual bliss which would result from attaining "SPIRITUAL PURITY" within the Molokan Brotherhood.

lastinline (& patiently waiting for agua's, update or anyone else's)

'agua' date='Apr 7 2010, 08:55 PM' post='54774'
The way I see it, there are 2 choices.

-Accept Molokan faith completely, knowing the Spirit and Life is inspired by God

-Or go, and find a place of like mindedness, for this is scriptural.

It seems that some seem to skirt around some issues and then boldly they bring their true desires to the forefront.

I remember a treasured Molokan Christian friend who is well known in his congregation as being against the S&L, telling me, after enduring many condemning looks of (why is he here?) disdain for him when he entered his Molokan Congregation he sometimes wished the leadership would just ask him to leave and never return, so he could be forced into a decision to no longer attend.

My thought is a "CALL TO ARMS" to all who are of a like mind with "agua" with your desire to rid yourselves all the non-conforming Molokans in your midst. You need to incite a "Call to Spiritual Purity" to the four corners of the Molokan Brethren. This is my proposal to you to PLEASE consider diligently.

Get speakers to begin a continued movement during speeches to make a case that non-conformists should be removed from the Molokan Churches to achieve Spiritual Purity. A good starting place would be the revered New Israelite at Lake Avenue SJB. I am sure other strong New Israelites would pick up the torch of MGR and light fires for calls to purity elsewhere. MMP at Siskiyou would greatly enjoy this, as would BJB at Milikoy.

2. I am quite sure that at Lake Avenue the dystvanykee would bring a message to further the torch, especially JJH or surely the new member from Yerevan would have a fire lite under him or be called upon to affirm JJH.

3. Make a call for each Molokan Congregation that desires to remain under Molokan Certification to call for each and every member of it's membership to affirm an oath of allegiance and devotion to all the tenets of Spirit and Life Book during a mandatory attendance meeting at their Molokan Congregation. This should also be done in writing by each member and then certified by the prestol with full written documentation sent to a central location of a governing board of Molokan Ministers and highly-esteemed elders to scrutinze and then certify each Congregation that is in compliance of Spiritual Purity.

4. After this is completed, documentation should be sent each congregation on which Congregations are in full compliance.

5. A powerful group of esteemed elders should be appointed to monitor each Congregation in such a way as to assure continued adherence to Spiritual Purity.

6. A re-certification should be done periodically, possibly on a bi-annual basis.

I seems to me to do anything less would be hypocritical in some way.

lastinline (where a desire to serve HIM continues)

May 1, 2010

Bb:

you act as if someone here at Lake Ave really cares about you enough to recognize you and want you out. Sorry, but nobody cares about you or knows what you believe or gives a hoot how you feel. You need your own Bleeding Hearts Club to help your marterdom complex because all you want is to fulfill what Jesus said in John 16:2-3, so that way you will beat your chest on this forum and brag that you were thrown out. You need more than your own armchair psychoatrist.

Are you attending pominki tomorrow? If not, nobody would care anyways. Keep posting to compensate for your attention deficit.

Are discussions underway or is it, as I believe that the powers-that-be realize that, crash and burn would be the outcome of such an endeavor. Surely there are individuals in leadership positions, that can envision the spiritual bliss which would result from attaining "SPIRITUAL PURITY" within the Molokan Brotherhood.

lastinline (& patiently waiting for agua's, update or anyone else's)

seeking_truth_1 · May 1, 2010

What a load of garbage

"Nobody cares about what you believe"

Why is that?

Are you a "Christian"?

Aren't you concerned for the Spiritual well being of a member of your little "brotherhood"?

Is this more of the conditional love I spoke about before that is so prevalent within the cult of molokanism

As long as no one asks any questions and doesn't challenge anything we're all "brothers"

As soon as someone asks how the cult of molokanism lines up with the Bible, they are kicked to the curb

What if YOU are wrong and en-route to Hell?

Wouldn't you want someone to let you know or is your PRIDE to big for that?

Do you know who Jesus IS?

Do you accept His Word (The Bible) as the inerrant Word of God?

Do you accept His free gift of Salvation based NOT upon your works or "good deeds"?

Do you recognize the s&l and nothing but a compendium of lies penned by men who, if they did not repent prior to their death, are in Hell right now?

Bb:

you act as if someone here at Lake Ave really cares about you enough to recognize you and want you out. Sorry, but nobody cares about you or knows what you believe or gives a hoot how you feel. You need your own Bleeding Hearts Club to help your marterdom complex because all you want is to fulfill what Jesus said in John 16:2-3, so that way you will beat your chest on this forum and brag that you were thrown out. You need more than your own armchair psychoatrist.

Are you attending pominki tomorrow? If not, nobody would care anyways. Keep posting to compensate for your attention deficit.

Are discussions underway or is it, as I believe that the powers-that-be realize that, crash and burn would be the outcome of such an endeavor. Surely there are individuals in leadership positions, that can envision the spiritual bliss which would result from attaining "SPIRITUAL PURITY" within the Molokan Brotherhood.

lastinline (& patiently waiting for agua's, update or anyone else's)

KevinPolyaNazaroff · May 2, 2010

Hello "not faint hearted",

You may not be "faint hearted" now, but in the presence of almighty God, your heart will more than faint.

You are evil by biblical standards.

Evil through and through.

You are a fool by biblical standards.

You speak like a fool, therefore, you are a fool at heart.

You have no hope in yourself or religion.

How does it feel to be separated from God?

Probably not very good.

6 A fool’s lips bring strife,

And his mouth calls for blows.

7 A fool’s mouth is his ruin,

And his lips are the snare of his soul. Pr 18:6-7 NASB

45 “The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart. Lk 6:45 NASB

Have you thought about eternity lately?

Kevin Nazaroff

Bb:

you act as if someone here at Lake Ave really cares about you enough to recognize you and want you out. Sorry, but nobody cares about you or knows what you believe or gives a hoot how you feel. You need your own Bleeding Hearts Club to help your marterdom complex because all you want is to fulfill what Jesus said in John 16:2-3, so that way you will beat your chest on this forum and brag that you were thrown out. You need more than your own armchair psychoatrist.

Are you attending pominki tomorrow? If not, nobody would care anyways. Keep posting to compensate for your attention deficit.

Are discussions underway or is it, as I believe that the powers-that-be realize that, crash and burn would be the outcome of such an endeavor. Surely there are individuals in leadership positions, that can envision the spiritual bliss which would result from attaining "SPIRITUAL PURITY" within the Molokan Brotherhood.

lastinline (& patiently waiting for agua's, update or anyone else's)

lastinline · May 2, 2010

Seem to have struck a real raw nerve, huh? You need to unwind a bit and please remember that God is still on His Throne, no matter what either of us, say or do. Is my call for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" a little unnerving, or otherwise, why the rant?

Remember that old saying "You have nothing to fear, except fear itself." It is a little like saying what Apostle says in Romans 8: 31

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us (YOU), who can be against us (YOU)?

Что же сказать на это? Если Бог за нас (меня), кто против нас (меня)?

lastinline (& doing as commanded with Love 4 all)

Bb:

you act as if someone here at Lake Ave really cares about you enough to recognize you and want you out. Sorry, but nobody cares about you or knows what you believe or gives a hoot how you feel. You need your own Bleeding Hearts Club to help your marterdom complex because all you want is to fulfill what Jesus said in John 16:2-3, so that way you will beat your chest on this forum and brag that you were thrown out. You need more than your own armchair psychoatrist.

Are you attending pominki tomorrow? If not, nobody would care anyways. Keep posting to compensate for your attention deficit.

Are discussions underway or is it, as I believe that the powers-that-be realize that, crash and burn would be the outcome of such an endeavor. Surely there are individuals in leadership positions, that can envision the spiritual bliss which would result from attaining "SPIRITUAL PURITY" within the Molokan Brotherhood.

lastinline (& patiently waiting for agua's, update or anyone else's)

lastinline · May 3, 2010

Well it seems that since our resident star gazer has made this proclamation of Truth, a new type of proof will need to be required to give us all, complete assurance of the complete compliance of all aspects of "NEW ISRAEL SPIRITUAL PURITY." A DNA test will need to be taken on all Molokans so we can be assured that all Members are of "PURE RUSSIAN ETHNICITY." The purity of the blood-line must be protected, at all costs.

The bible teaches purity of race you fools.

lastinline (& covering all the bases)

May 10, 2010

BB and K will never cut that umbilical cord to mother Lake Ave because they are still insecure in their new "Christian" churches just in case their offspring marry a Molokan and they can have a MGR wedding ceremony, and they want to make sure mother Lake will reel them in by their umbelical cord when they die to make pominki for them per MGR obrayd to pray for their sins since their "Christian" church will not do this.

Yes, BB is covering all the bases.

lastinline (& covering all the bases)

stevepiv · May 10, 2010

BB and K will never cut that umbilical cord to mother Lake Ave because they are still insecure in their new "Christian" churches just in case their offspring marry a Molokan and they can have a MGR wedding ceremony, and they want to make sure mother Lake will reel them in by their umbelical cord when they die to make pominki for them per MGR obrayd to pray for their sins since their "Christian" church will not do this.

Yes, BB is covering all the bases.

lastinline (& covering all the bases)

And some "new israels" will just divorce their kid if they would marry a "non-molokan" or even someone they didn't approve. Sounds as almost these parents had no love for their kids in the first place. Many front-row people have cut off kids like it was no big deal. People will even encourage them for doing that in staying strong to the cult of molokanism. The "cult" and "system" and "position" are more important to some.

May 10, 2010

BB and K will never cut that umbilical cord to mother Lake Ave because they are still insecure in their new "Christian" churches just in case their offspring marry a Molokan and they can have a MGR wedding ceremony, and they want to make sure mother Lake will reel them in by their umbelical cord when they die to make pominki for them per MGR obrayd to pray for their sins since their "Christian" church will not do this.

Yes, BB is covering all the bases.

And some "new israels" will just divorce their kid if they would marry a "non-molokan" or even someone they didn't approve. Sounds as almost these parents had no love for their kids in the first place. Many front-row people have cut off kids like it was no big deal. People will even encourage them for doing that in staying strong to the cult of molokanism. The "cult" and "system" and "position" are more important to some

I think that parents who do have children married to non molokans and do not except them still love them deeply. In my opinion Steven what you said is wrong. You may not like what path your child may take and you may not have relationship with them but you never stop loving them. I do like being a Molokan and do hope that all my children do marry a Molokan boy or girl. I have 4 children and I pray that they all marry a molokan. If one child of mine chooses to marry a non molokan and I accept it and have them in my life what example am I sending to my other children who I deeply want to marry a molokan boy or girl. That marrying a non molokan is o.k. when I really don't think it is. Our Molokan faith was founded by our lord Jesus Christ but given through the Holy Spirit the S&l book to guide us in our faith. I know I will get hung by you non S&L Lovers for saying that but you say how you feel and I will say how I feel. It's only fair. If you all want to call me a new Israel go ahead. I love this molokan faith and would not trade it for the world. I have been shown more love in this faith and seen more miracles then I can account and believe for me this is where God wants me to be. To Say many front row people cut kids like no big deal is such a crack of cracker jacks Steven. Everybody deals with that issue differently. If some people strongly believe that cutting ties with your child who married a non Molokan is what is best for them and their family why is for us to Judge? And If someone feels their stand on this issue is standing strong for the Molokan faith who are we to judge? Steven there are many things you have said or did in your past that contradicts where you are in life now. Are we judging you???? Give the front row positions a break, we all have a right to do what we want to do. I never understood why people have to talk negatively about the Molokan faith when it's not working for them spirtually. If this Molokan faith is not working for you stop talking negatively about it and find a new faith that works for you.

seeking_truth_1 · May 10, 2010

Does Agape Love cause you to do the wrong thing especially to your own children?

When Baal worship was practiced, parents literally sacrificed their children to a false "god" for a sake of a cult

As to their motivation, I could not say...Was it out of fear or a hardness of heart that I cannot fathom

In either case, there is no justification for the actions

13 ¶ Then they took the man to the Pharisees.

14 Now as it happened, Jesus had healed the man on a Sabbath.

15 The Pharisees asked the man all about it. So he told them, "He smoothed the mud over my eyes, and when it was washed away, I could see!"

16 Some of the Pharisees said, "This man Jesus is not from God, for he is working on the Sabbath." Others said, "But how could an ordinary sinner do such miraculous signs?" So there was a deep division of opinion among them.

17 Then the Pharisees once again questioned the man who had been blind and demanded, "This man who opened your eyes––who do you say he is?" The man replied, "I think he must be a prophet."

18 The Jewish leaders wouldn't believe he had been blind, so they called in his parents.

19 They asked them, "Is this your son? Was he born blind? If so, how can he see?"

20 His parents replied, "We know this is our son and that he was born blind,

21 but we don't know how he can see or who healed him. He is old enough to speak for himself. Ask him."

22 They said this because they were afraid of the Jewish leaders, who had announced that anyone saying Jesus was the Messiah would be expelled from the synagogue.

23 That's why they said, "He is old enough to speak for himself. Ask him." (John 9:13-23 NLT)

The blind man's parents LIED against the Truth out of a gnawing fear of being thrown out

NOTHING has changed 2000 years later

KevinPolyaNazaroff · May 10, 2010

BB and K will never cut that umbilical cord to mother Lake Ave because they are still insecure in their new "Christian" churches just in case their offspring marry a Molokan and they can have a MGR wedding ceremony, and they want to make sure mother Lake will reel them in by their umbelical cord when they die to make pominki for them per MGR obrayd to pray for their sins since their "Christian" church will not do this.

Yes, BB is covering all the bases.

lastinline (& covering all the bases)

Please note, "not faint hearted" is a complete dummy.

Until you yourself will state your name, I will continue to treat you like the coward that your are.

Will posting your real name take away all your credibility?

This is how foolish some of you anonymous posters are.

BB does not read or write on this website.

LEAVE HIM ALONE!

Kevin Nazaroff

May 10, 2010

Please note, "not faint hearted" is a complete dummy.
Until you yourself will state your name, I will continue to treat you like the coward that your are.

Will posting your real name take away all your credibility? Kevin Nazaroff

judge the message not the messenger, have you told your new Christian church and your new Christian students that you still belong to, and are currently attending a cult church, how much scripture are you willing to deny, who's the coward

this person speaks the truth

BB and K will never cut that umbilical cord to mother Lake Ave because they are still insecure in their new "Christian" churches just in case their offspring marry a Molokan and they can have a MGR wedding ceremony, and they want to make sure mother Lake will reel them in by their umbelical cord when they die to make pominki for them per MGR obrayd to pray for their sins since their "Christian" church will not do this.

Yes, BB is covering all the bases.

May 10, 2010

BB and K will never cut that umbilical cord to mother Lake Ave because they are still insecure in their new "Christian" churches just in case their offspring marry a Molokan and they can have a MGR wedding ceremony, and they want to make sure mother Lake will reel them in by their umbelical cord when they die to make pominki for them per MGR obrayd to pray for their sins since their "Christian" church will not do this.

Yes, BB is covering all the bases.

And some "new israels" will just divorce their kid if they would marry a "non-molokan" or even someone they didn't approve. Sounds as almost these parents had no love for their kids in the first place. Many front-row people have cut off kids like it was no big deal. People will even encourage them for doing that in staying strong to the cult of molokanism. The "cult" and "system" and "position" are more important to some

I think that parents who do have children married to non molokans and do not except them still love them deeply. In my opinion Steven what you said is wrong. You may not like what path your child may take and you may not have relationship with them but you never stop loving them. I do like being a Molokan and do hope that all my children do marry a Molokan boy or girl. I have 4 children and I pray that they all marry a molokan. If one child of mine chooses to marry a non molokan and I accept it and have them in my life what example am I sending to my other children who I deeply want to marry a molokan boy or girl. That marrying a non molokan is o.k. when I really don't think it is. Our Molokan faith was founded by our lord Jesus Christ but given through the Holy Spirit the S&l book to guide us in our faith. I know I will get hung by you non S&L Lovers for saying that but you say how you feel and I will say how I feel. It's only fair. If you all want to call me a new Israel go ahead. I love this molokan faith and would not trade it for the world. I have been shown more love in this faith and seen more miracles then I can account and believe for me this is where God wants me to be. To Say many front row people cut kids like no big deal is such a crack of cracker jacks Steven. Everybody deals with that issue differently. If some people strongly believe that cutting ties with your child who married a non Molokan is what is best for them and their family why is for us to Judge? And If someone feels their stand on this issue is standing strong for the Molokan faith who are we to judge? Steven there are many things you have said or did in your past that contradicts where you are in life now. Are we judging you???? Give the front row positions a break, we all have a right to do what we want to do. I never understood why people have to talk negatively about the Molokan faith when it's not working for them spirtually. If this Molokan faith is not working for you stop talking negatively about it and find a new faith that works for you.

Listen to yourself, are you concerned with following Christ or "your Molokan Faith" What in the example of Jesus Christ would lead you to believe that he would be OK with disowning your child if he or she married a strong Christian man or woman? I am glad that you enjoy being a Molokan but that love doesn't make it alright to go against the will of God. The front row positions need a break and have the right to do what they want to do? They are supposed to be church elders and live their lives as an example to others, do they have the right to defy God's Ten Comandments? Can they commit physical or spiritual homicide (like killing your relationship with your child)? God is onboard with that? If Molokan parents thought the best thing for their family was to beat their child with a two by four, it might not be our business to judge their eternal salvation, but it would be our duty to stop them and turn them in to the authorities. As parents our job is to give our children love, and a strong example of faith and obedience to Christ, if we instead show them that we will no longer consider them alive if they marry a strong Christian, then what are we teaching them? That it most important to Love Christ or to be a good Molokan? We will answer for what we have done, I wouldn't want to have to say "Well I did it to be a good Molokan", I think Christ will answer "You were supposed to be a good Chrisitian".

stevepiv · May 10, 2010

I think that parents who do have children married to non molokans and do not except them still love them deeply. In my opinion Steven what you said is wrong. You may not like what path your child may take and you may not have relationship with them but you never stop loving them. I do like being a Molokan and do hope that all my children do marry a Molokan boy or girl. I have 4 children and I pray that they all marry a molokan. If one child of mine chooses to marry a non molokan and I accept it and have them in my life what example am I sending to my other children who I deeply want to marry a molokan boy or girl. That marrying a non molokan is o.k. when I really don't think it is. Our Molokan faith was founded by our lord Jesus Christ but given through the Holy Spirit the S&l book to guide us in our faith. I know I will get hung by you non S&L Lovers for saying that but you say how you feel and I will say how I feel. It's only fair. If you all want to call me a new Israel go ahead. I love this molokan faith and would not trade it for the world. I have been shown more love in this faith and seen more miracles then I can account and believe for me this is where God wants me to be. To Say many front row people cut kids like no big deal is such a crack of cracker jacks Steven. Everybody deals with that issue differently. If some people strongly believe that cutting ties with your child who married a non Molokan is what is best for them and their family why is for us to Judge? And If someone feels their stand on this issue is standing strong for the Molokan faith who are we to judge? Steven there are many things you have said or did in your past that contradicts where you are in life now. Are we judging you???? Give the front row positions a break, we all have a right to do what we want to do. I never understood why people have to talk negatively about the Molokan faith when it's not working for them spirtually. If this Molokan faith is not working for you stop talking negatively about it and find a new faith that works for you.

McKinley,

After reading that long winded post, you really said nothing except, you are trying to make yourself feel better if you would have to "cut-off" one of your children for the sake of your religion.

Can you see the brainwashing that has gone on? For a parent to say if you marry a non-molokan I will cut that child off from your life, because I want my other kids to marry a molokan. How does that make the 1 child feel? Then, you say you still love them???? THAT'S CRACKER JACK.

The s&l is heresy and another gospel. It is a contradiction to God's Word. You said your peace, I said mine. I will ask, how has the s&l guided you in your faith? What have you applied from that book to your life?

You said, "you will not trade the molokan faith for the world." Yes...I would say someone who would disown their kids and not have them in their life is pretty brainwashed and sick.

I have said many foolish things in the past and did many foolish things as well. During that time I was following the cult of molokanism and pleasing men, not God. The same things you are saying, I too once thought that way. This was before I was saved and regenerated. Before that time I hardly gave any serious thought about my belief or the theology of the molokan church. Because I trusted men.

All I thought is come to malenias, skazvitz, stand up for the molokan religion, and be accepted byt he religion and I was good. No repentance, no faith in Jesus Christ, no fruits, just as long as I performed in Church when they called me, elders told me those were my fruits and good deeds.

WRONG.

I came onto this site in 2006 to fight against these people who I thought were heretics. Every time they presented Scripture, presented the contradictions of what I was being told by "elders" and what the Bible says. God started to tear down the man that I built, and lead me to seek Him out His Son Jesus Christ, that paid the fine of my sins, took upon the wrath of God and became THE propitiation for my sins and the sins of the world.

The Love of God through Jesus Christ and His Grace and Mercy and Peace, help me to continue to move forward in studying His Word, and follow Jesus Christ.

lastinline · May 10, 2010

'Mckinley' date='May 10 2010, 01:16 AM' post='58235'
I think that parents who do have children married to non molokans and do not except them still love them deeply.

Sad reality is that as a "new israelite" which you seem to insinuate by being called this, it is a put down, why? As a "new israelite" your a member of your god's chosen people (s&l tenant). You should demand that there be a call for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" within all Molokan congregations. This would insure that there would be a far less chance for any of your children to loose their salvation by marrying an un-clean ne-nash (I hate that word). Wouldn't you agree?

Your statements of, "I think," "In my opinion," "I do like being a Molokan," "I don't think it is," "I will say how I feel. It's only fair" and "we all have the right to do what we want to do." These are completely true for you and probably most "new israelites" as yourself. The reality is that since you, at least at this point have not given us any indication of Biblical reasoning for these beliefs, I caution you that the Holy Scriptures will clearly show that my God is against all of your indicated feelings. That is beauty of my God's Majesty, He will not force anyone to choose Him, over a god of their own choosing, up until their final breath.

Case in point is this quote of yours, "Steven there are many things you have said or did in your past that contradicts where you are in life now." The whole message of the Gospel, is that because of what my Lord God, Jesus Christ did for Steven is explained in the Born Again experience (born from above, родится свыше).

In chapter 9 of Acts a true disciple was told to visit Apostle Paul after his conversion and he resisted because of the many things he knew that Saul (latter as Apostle Paul) had persecuted the actual True Church. Would you "feel" the same compulsion to make the same complaint to Apostle Paul about his new beliefs.

2 Corinthians 5: 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. NKJV

2-е Коринфянам 5: 17 Итак, кто во Христе, [тот] новая тварь; древнее прошло, теперь все новое.

lastinline (& where the rubber meets the road)

lastinline · May 10, 2010

A TRUE case in point!!

Approximately 25 years ago, a conversation took place with a now devoted "new israelite" and a Christian Molokan after a meeting concerning some teaching that the uppity-ups felt could entice their children to marry ne-nash (I hate that word). The meeting was to assure everyone that all teaching was to be mostly Molokan in nature. It became apparent that many believed that outside Christ-centered teaching could only be evil and would cause their children to marry ne-nash (I hate that word) and they would be lost. The Christian Molokan asked one of the uppity-ups after the meeting if he actually believed that by marrying out, his children would lose any chance of salvation because of marrying out. His answer was a resounding NO. He was then asked if he would tell his four children that they would go to hell if they married a ne-nash (I hate that word). At this, he said he would lie to them to help assure that they would not marry out. The result of this lie to his children by this now devoted "new israilite" is that his new found faith of "new israel" does proclaim that three of his children are going to hell and one is going to reign with mgr for a thousand years as the s&l clearly teaches.

lastinline (& where a lie is a lie in Russian or English)

KevinPolyaNazaroff · May 10, 2010

judge the message not the messenger, have you told your new Christian church and your new Christian students that you still belong to, and are currently attending a cult church, how much scripture are you willing to deny, who's the coward

Yes I have shared that with some of my Christian friends.

But, really, I have bigger and better things to talk about with my Christian friends than religion and heresy.

It has been discussed in the past, but we mostly talk about Biblical Christianity.

And as to you calling me a coward...

I have opened my life up here, the good and the bad.

I don't need to do this.

I did not need to confess anything in order to get right with God.

I already confessed my sins, repented, and turned to Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior before I ever had anything to do with this forum.

I am not receiving any personal gain by getting slammed for my transparency.

But one thing I do know is this, I was bought by Jesus, and I am His.

I live in the light.

And if I have questions or comments in regards to Biblical Christianity, then I will express them, for the purpose of learning and fulfilling Gods will.

How is this being a coward?

You, sir, are the coward for remaining anynomouse.

Your message is sin if it is not based on Gods truth.

Your message is a clanging symbol to the Lord if it is not motivated by love.

13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 NKJV

this person speaks the truth

BB and K will never cut that umbilical cord to mother Lake Ave because they are still insecure in their new "Christian" churches just in case their offspring marry a Molokan and they can have a MGR wedding ceremony, and they want to make sure mother Lake will reel them in by their umbelical cord when they die to make pominki for them per MGR obrayd to pray for their sins since their "Christian" church will not do this.

Yes, BB is covering all the bases.

You are not speaking truth.

You are speaking lies and spreading rumors.

I don't care about rumors concerning myself.

I am concerned about my brother in Christ who does not have anything to do with this website.

You are speaking evil of God's servant.

You are now an enemy of God and His gospel by slandering and hindering the truth.

Repentance is your only option.

Church discipline would be appropriate if you were attending one and they knew you were an unrepentant gossip and liar.

These are not my opinions, but Gods word.

15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.

16 “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed.

17 “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Matthew 18:15-17 NASB

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 NASB

Kevin Nazaroff

May 11, 2010

have you told your new Christian church and your new Christian students that you still belong to, and are currently attending a cult church,

Yes I have shared that with some of my Christian friends.

your Christian students must be long time loyal to stick with you after telling them you are a cult member how long have they known

seeking_truth_1 · May 11, 2010

That's the difference between the cult of molokanism and Christianity

The legalistic garbage goes away with those who know the Truth

The religious/legalist person is always keeping score about the transgressions EVERYONE else

The more sins they can find in the life of someone else the "better" they can feel about themselves

Unfortunately for their failed religion, God does not grade on a curve.

All the time they are looking to find transgression while they are oblivious to their lack

No matter how "superior" they might feel by comparison, if they deny the ONLY one who can save, they will end up in Hell

That's what a cult does...

have you told your new Christian church and your new Christian students that you still belong to, and are currently attending a cult church,

Yes I have shared that with some of my Christian friends.

your Christian students must be long time loyal to stick with you after telling them you are a cult member how long have they known

KevinPolyaNazaroff · May 11, 2010

have you told your new Christian church and your new Christian students that you still belong to, and are currently attending a cult church,

Yes I have shared that with some of my Christian friends.

your Christian students must be long time loyal to stick with you after telling them you are a cult member how long have they known

First off, I do not have any students.

It is a group study on sexual idolatry.

We are committed to God and His word.

I am not the leader or teacher.

I help facilitate the group with another brother in Christ who has experienced God's victory in his life.

I am not perfect myself and I want to let the Lord direct my path.

I also do not want to fall into the trap of religious pride.

There are many with an inflated sense of their own spirituality.

They are ignorant of their true relationship with God. (or I should say, lack of a relationship with God)

So, back to this book study.

There are a few of us who have experienced victory in this area of our life.

But we are all participants in the class together.

Sexual sin is a devastating sin and has led many men to hell.

My only goal is to plead others to turn to God.

20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us;

we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 2 Co 5:20 NASB

I want to be a finger pointer.

Point my finger toward Calvary.

33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. Lk 23:33 KJV

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

1 Co 15:3-4 NASB

Kevin Nazaroff

May 11, 2010

why won't youanswer the questions that i ask in a direct manner, you give veiled answers

your Christian students must be long time loyal to stick with you after telling them you are a cult member how long have they known

have you told your new Christian church and your new Christian students that you still belong to, and are currently attending a cult church,

KevinPolyaNazaroff · May 11, 2010

why won't youanswer the questions that i ask in a direct manner, you give veiled answers

your Christian students must be long time loyal to stick with you after telling them you are a cult member how long have they known

have you told your new Christian church and your new Christian students that you still belong to, and are currently attending a cult church,

I give veiled answers to veiled questions...

Kevin Nazaroff

May 11, 2010

why won't youanswer the questions that i ask in a direct manner, you give veiled answers

your Christian students must be long time loyal to stick with you after telling them you are a cult member how long have they known

have you told your new Christian church and your new Christian students that you still belong to, and are currently attending a cult church,

I give veiled answers to veiled questions...

Kevin Nazaroff

how could i rephrase the questions so you will give complete answers in the context of the question

please rephrase them for me so i can have better understanding

if my anonymity is stopping you from giving honest Christ like answer then tell me the name that you want to hear

you probably wouldn't accept any name i give

lastinline · May 11, 2010

I haven't heard of any meetings to get the ball rolling on this issue or am I simply being ignored? Could it be that the uppity-ups are checking their own DNA, to see if they themselves are of "PURE RUSSIAN" stock? At least give us a hint, so we can not send in our dues for this year, or wait a minute, maybe they realized that they are the ones that would be shown the boot?

lastinline (& lookin' out 4 y'all)

'agua' date='Apr 7 2010, 08:55 PM' post='54774'
The way I see it, there are 2 choices.

-Accept Molokan faith completely, knowing the Spirit and Life is inspired by God

-Or go, and find a place of like mindedness, for this is scriptural.

It seems that some seem to skirt around some issues and then boldly they bring their true desires to the forefront.

I remember a treasured Molokan Christian friend who is well known in his congregation as being against the S&L, telling me, after enduring many condemning looks of (why is he here?) disdain for him when he entered his Molokan Congregation he sometimes wished the leadership would just ask him to leave and never return, so he could be forced into a decision to no longer attend.

My thought is a "CALL TO ARMS" to all who are of a like mind with "agua" with your desire to rid yourselves all the non-conforming Molokans in your midst. You need to incite a "Call to Spiritual Purity" to the four corners of the Molokan Brethren. This is my proposal to you to PLEASE consider diligently.

Get speakers to begin a continued movement during speeches to make a case that non-conformists should be removed from the Molokan Churches to achieve Spiritual Purity. A good starting place would be the revered New Israelite at Lake Avenue SJB. I am sure other strong New Israelites would pick up the torch of MGR and light fires for calls to purity elsewhere. MMP at Siskiyou would greatly enjoy this, as would BJB at Milikoy.

2. I am quite sure that at Lake Avenue the dystvanykee would bring a message to further the torch, especially JJH or surely the new member from Yerevan would have a fire lite under him or be called upon to affirm JJH.

3. Make a call for each Molokan Congregation that desires to remain under Molokan Certification to call for each and every member of it's membership to affirm an oath of allegiance and devotion to all the tenets of Spirit and Life Book during a mandatory attendance meeting at their Molokan Congregation. This should also be done in writing by each member and then certified by the prestol with full written documentation sent to a central location of a governing board of Molokan Ministers and highly-esteemed elders to scrutinze and then certify each Congregation that is in compliance of Spiritual Purity.

4. After this is completed, documentation should be sent each congregation on which Congregations are in full compliance.

5. A powerful group of esteemed elders should be appointed to monitor each Congregation in such a way as to assure continued adherence to Spiritual Purity.

6. A re-certification should be done periodically, possibly on a bi-annual basis.

I seems to me to do anything less would be hypocritical in some way.

lastinline (where a desire to serve HIM continues)

May 16, 2010

Yes. Keep posting if it makes you feel like you are not talking to yourself, cause no one hear seems to give a hoot.

am I simply being ignored?

lastinline (& lookin' out 4 y'all)

seeking_truth_1 · May 16, 2010

Well lookie there...

Our "bible student" hath returned

You remember the one who mis-handled scripture and was too proud to admit doing so, yet they have time to chip at people from the cheap seats

Nice

Seems that pretty much everything that needs to be said has been

The cult of molokanism follows another "god"

Kevin mentioned dealing with having been duped by a cult is difficult, but that does not make the need and direction of the necessary changes any less obvious

Yes. Keep posting if it makes you feel like you are not talking to yourself, cause no one hear seems to give a hoot.

am I simply being ignored?

lastinline (& lookin' out 4 y'all)

lastinline · May 16, 2010

Yes. Keep posting if it makes you feel like you are not talking to yourself, cause no one hear seems to give a hoot.

am I simply being ignored?

lastinline (& lookin' out 4 y'all)

So, our beloved "biblestudent" decided to take time out from his busy schedule to ingratiate me/us with some of his profound wisdom. I guess consorting with Christian Anarchists isn't stimulating enough, huh?

We can get a great deal of insight into the where much of his profound wisdom has taken him, on his personal website.

Click here -----> Heresy Peddler

lastinline (& always giving a helpful had)

lastinline · May 18, 2010

Huh, still no desire to put "new israel" adherence to the test. Quite interesting that fear of retribution is now on the other foot.

lastinline (& keeping up with the exercising my of faith)

I haven't heard of any meetings to get the ball rolling on this issue or am I simply being ignored? Could it be that the uppity-ups are checking their own DNA, to see if they themselves are of "PURE RUSSIAN" stock? At least give us a hint, so we can not send in our dues for this year, or wait a minute, maybe they realized that they are the ones that would be shown the boot?

lastinline (& lookin' out 4 y'all)

'agua' date='Apr 7 2010, 08:55 PM' post='54774'
The way I see it, there are 2 choices.

-Accept Molokan faith completely, knowing the Spirit and Life is inspired by God

-Or go, and find a place of like mindedness, for this is scriptural.

It seems that some seem to skirt around some issues and then boldly they bring their true desires to the forefront.

I remember a treasured Molokan Christian friend who is well known in his congregation as being against the S&L, telling me, after enduring many condemning looks of (why is he here?) disdain for him when he entered his Molokan Congregation he sometimes wished the leadership would just ask him to leave and never return, so he could be forced into a decision to no longer attend.

My thought is a "CALL TO ARMS" to all who are of a like mind with "agua" with your desire to rid yourselves all the non-conforming Molokans in your midst. You need to incite a "Call to Spiritual Purity" to the four corners of the Molokan Brethren. This is my proposal to you to PLEASE consider diligently.

Get speakers to begin a continued movement during speeches to make a case that non-conformists should be removed from the Molokan Churches to achieve Spiritual Purity. A good starting place would be the revered New Israelite at Lake Avenue SJB. I am sure other strong New Israelites would pick up the torch of MGR and light fires for calls to purity elsewhere. MMP at Siskiyou would greatly enjoy this, as would BJB at Milikoy.

2. I am quite sure that at Lake Avenue the dystvanykee would bring a message to further the torch, especially JJH or surely the new member from Yerevan would have a fire lite under him or be called upon to affirm JJH.

3. Make a call for each Molokan Congregation that desires to remain under Molokan Certification to call for each and every member of it's membership to affirm an oath of allegiance and devotion to all the tenets of Spirit and Life Book during a mandatory attendance meeting at their Molokan Congregation. This should also be done in writing by each member and then certified by the prestol with full written documentation sent to a central location of a governing board of Molokan Ministers and highly-esteemed elders to scrutinze and then certify each Congregation that is in compliance of Spiritual Purity.

4. After this is completed, documentation should be sent each congregation on which Congregations are in full compliance.

5. A powerful group of esteemed elders should be appointed to monitor each Congregation in such a way as to assure continued adherence to Spiritual Purity.

6. A re-certification should be done periodically, possibly on a bi-annual basis.

I seems to me to do anything less would be hypocritical in some way.

lastinline (where a desire to serve HIM continues)

lastinline · September 11, 2010

Wouldn't September 17, preceding The Day of Atonement Services be a very good time to take up this issue of a "Call to Spiritual Purity" to the attendees and get their desires and/or feelings on this issue?

lastinline (& wondering out loud)

lastinline · January 9, 2011

In light of this wonderful loving diplomacy that my dear friend "Question Mark Times A Million" showed me with this comment;

As for the issue of ministers/presbyters, (might as well include the speakers, singers, skazatili etc.)
yes there are the good, bad and the ugly,

but that is a personal issue, nobody is forcing anyone to stay were they are not comfortable.

(From San Francisco to Clark St, in between those, there is alot to choose from)

If you have decide that molokanstvo is not for you, move on and don't criticize those that want to stay.

Is that fair?

I would like to my preference of a way for our "molokanstvo" as he calls it, come to a state magical spiritual bliss in this strand that would bring this fruition.

lastinline (ready & waiting for a house cleaning)

seeking_truth_1 · January 9, 2011

It seems to me waiting for a "house cleaning" is not Biblical

You cannot shirk your responsibility of separating yourself from a cult

No where in Scripture does it tell people to stay in a cult and wait for a "house cleaning"

In light of this wonderful loving diplomacy that my dear friend "Question Mark Times A Million" showed me with this comment;

As for the issue of ministers/presbyters, (might as well include the speakers, singers, skazatili etc.)
yes the

re are the good, bad and the ugly,

but that is a personal issue, nobody is forcing anyone to stay were they are not comfortable.

(From San Francisco to Clark St, in between those, there is alot to choose from)

If you have decide that molokanstvo is not for you, move on and don't criticize those that want to stay.

Is that fair?

I would like to my preference of a way for our "molokanstvo" as he calls it, come to a state magical spiritual bliss in this strand that would bring this fruition.

lastinline (ready & waiting for a house cleaning)

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