New Isreal - Can It Be?

lastinline · December 24, 2006

NEW ISREAL - Can it Be?

Friends

Today is воскресенье (Resurrection Day in Russian) and I would like bring some thoughts before you for consideration. I love the way this day is called in Russian, because of it`s deep spiritual meaning.

There are approximately 26 Molokan churches in California, Arizona, Oregon and Australia that have the S & L book on their pristol (head table). It has been my experience that there will be an average attendance of 25-30 persons attending on a regular воскресенье (Resurrection Day). If these numbers do not conform to your church, then I stand corrected . Please for sake of discussion, using these numbers, that would mean that about 780 people will be worshiping in these Molokan churches today.

The current population of the world is 6 1/2 billion and I have heard is said that there are more people alive today than have existed throughout mankind`s existence.

Today, there are countless thousands of Christian missionaries taking the Gospel (good news) to areas where there is terrible famine, disease, criminal activity and corrupt governments and this they do this without hardly a thought for their own safety. WHY do you think that IS? My belief is that their Faith and Love for Our Lord is so STRONG that they are compelled by the Holy Spirit to share their faith at all costs (even their own life and health).

PLEASE now give this some deep thought. How can so many Molokans claim to be God`s chosen people (New Israel), who, according to the S&L will usher in Christ`s return for the Thousand year Millennium and reign with Him, and with Muslims as servants (slaves), when only about 780 of its members will be worshipping today? Yes,

I know the scripture of "many are called but few are chosen." How can it be that our Great God, the Creator of this world and each of us (knows the number of hairs on our heads) has compelled only this miniscule number to worship Him today?

PLEASE do not make light of these thoughts. In light of the fact that there are about 6 1/2 billion people on earth. This number could be compared to standing on several miles of beach (Pismo?) and they would be but one grain of sand. Does this not give some pause or thought to maybe reconsider some of your beliefs, if you do believe in this way?

Any thoughts and/or objections?

Prayfully and Respectfully yours,

Lastinline (I love the view from here)

December 24, 2006

The current population of the world is 6 1/2 trillion and I have heard is said that there are more people alive today than have existed throughout mankind`s existence.

PLEASE do not make light of these thoughts. In light of the fact that there are about 6 1/2 trillion people on earth. This number could be compared to standing on several miles of beach (Pismo?) and they would be but one grain of sand. Does this not give some pause or thought to maybe reconsider some of your beliefs, if you do believe in this way?

Any thoughts and/or objections?

Prayfully and Respectfully yours,

Lastinline (I love the view from here)

Obejection.

There are 6.5 billion people on the earth in the year of 2006. Not 6.5 trillion.

And from one righteous man, God is able to raise up children to Abraham, to populate the whole earth. Just as He did in the days of Noah.

It is not the Sabbath or the Resurrection day that is eternal life.

It is the Holy Spirit, that is the resurrection of the dead and the translation of the living.

The ritualistic christian cannot judge the spiritual christian in regards to worship on the new moon, Sabbath, or the Resurrection day as for Salvation.

The ritualistic law is not for the righteous man, but it is for the sinner or the ritualistic christian who is under the Law.

Faith is apart from the law.

December 24, 2006

Yes, the House of God must become desolete. All these things must take place, until only the stump remains. The stump is New Israel, the Holy Seed.

As the scripture says, "Those who endure to the end shall be saved."

The falling away must come first, before the day of the Lord.

Until only a tenth portion of Christianity is left.

There 6.5 billion people on the earth. And 1.95 billion of those call themselves christian. Numbering as the sands of the sea. To much for God to be glorified.

Paul tells us 1 corinthians !

25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards,not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.

27But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;

28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,

29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.

Zion is a small city, by which the Lord God will subdue the whole world.

Although Christianity numbers as the sands of the sea, only a remnant will be saved.

In other words, only a remnant will perceive and understand, looking and actually seeing with their eyes, and hearing with their ears. Turning to God and being healed.

The rest?

To be blinded by the subtle teachings of the final anti-christ. Never to hear and understand. Just as a deaf serpent.

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

9 He said, "Go, and tell this people:'Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.'

10"Render the hearts of this people insensitive,Their ears dull, And their eyes dim, Otherwise they might see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, Understand with their hearts, And return and be healed."

11Then I said, "Lord, how long?" And He answered,

"Until cities are devastated and without inhabitant, Houses are without people And the land is utterly desolate,

12"The LORD has removed men far away, And the forsaken places are many in the midst of the land.

13"Yet there will be a tenth portion in it, And it will again be subject to burning,Like a terebinth or an oak, Whose stump remains when it is felled. The holy seed is its stump."

lastinline · December 25, 2006

The current population of the world is 6 1/2 trillion and I have heard is said that there are more people alive today than have existed throughout mankind`s existence.

PLEASE do not make light of these thoughts. In light of the fact that there are about 6 1/2 trillion people on earth. This number could be compared to standing on several miles of beach (Pismo?) and they would be but one grain of sand. Does this not give some pause or thought to maybe reconsider some of your beliefs, if you do believe in this way?

Any thoughts and/or objections?

Prayfully and Respectfully yours,

Lastinline (I love the view from here)

Obejection.

There are 6.5 billion people on the earth in the year of 2006. Not 6.5 trillion.

And from one righteous man, God is able to raise up children to Abraham, to populate the whole earth. Just as He did in the days of Noah.

It is not the Sabbath or the Resurrection day that is eternal life.

It is the Holy Spirit, that is the resurrection of the dead and the translation of the living.

The ritualistic christian cannot judge the spiritual christian in regards to worship on the new moon, Sabbath, or the Resurrection day as for Salvation.

The ritualistic law is not for the righteous man, but it is for the sinner or the ritualistic christian who is under the Law.

Faith is apart from the law.

fouevetta

"There are 6.5 billion people on the earth in the year of 2006. Not 6.5 trillion"

Kudos - I stand corrected, oopps

"And from one righteous man, God is able to raise up children to Abraham, to populate the whole earth. Just as He did in the days of Noah."

Yes and HE has and His handywork is visable throughout the world where led to spread his message everywhere.

"It is not the Sabbath or the Resurrection day that is eternal life."

I do not have slightest idea what your point is on this.

"It is the Holy Spirit, that is the resurrection of the dead and the translation of the living."

Again, what's the point?

"The ritualistic christian cannot judge the spiritual christian in regards to worship on the new moon, Sabbath, or the Resurrection day as for Salvation."

I guess what you are saying is that you being a spiritual christian have no need to gather on the day that our forefathers have always gathered on a weekly basis to worship.

"The ritualistic law is not for the righteous man, but it is for the sinner or the ritualistic christian who is under the Law."

Again, you have no need gather with other belivers (if like mind to worship). Right?

"Faith is apart from the law"

The Word of God tells us that Faith without works is DEAD!

lastinline

December 25, 2006

"And from one righteous man, God is able to raise up children to Abraham, to populate the whole earth. Just as He did in the days of Noah."
Yes and HE has and His handywork is visable throughout the world where led to spread his message everywhere.

"It is not the Sabbath or the Resurrection day that is eternal life."

I do not have slightest idea what your point is on this.

"It is the Holy Spirit, that is the resurrection of the dead and the translation of the living."

Again, what's the point?

"The ritualistic christian cannot judge the spiritual christian in regards to worship on the new moon, Sabbath, or the Resurrection day as for Salvation."

I guess what you are saying is that you being a spiritual christian have no need to gather on the day that our forefathers have always gathered on a weekly basis to worship.

"The ritualistic law is not for the righteous man, but it is for the sinner or the ritualistic christian who is under the Law."

Again, you have no need gather with other belivers (if like mind to worship). Right?

"Faith is apart from the law"

The Word of God tells us that Faith without works is DEAD!

lastinline

The second coming is just as the days of Noah. This age is for the many and the next age is for the few.

The next age is the gathering of true worshippers in the Spirit of Truth. Many are called but few are chosen.

Wherever and at anytime where two or three are gathered under the name of the Spirit of Truth, there is God also. The Word of God is God. Jesus Christ incarnate in the flesh. The body of Christ is the gathering of true worshippers of God in Spirit of Truth.

If any man say that Christ has not come in the flesh, he is the anti-christ.

Agreed, Faith without works is dead. That type of faith will not resurrect the dead or translate the living. Faith comes from hearing the Word of God, not from doing the things that are contained in the law.

Faith has its virtues apart from the law.

lastinline · December 25, 2006

The second coming is just as the days of Noah. This age is for the many and the next age is for the few.

In this next age for the few. Do you have a time and a number to the few and who will they be?

The next age is the gathering of true worshippers in the Spirit of Truth. Many are called but few are chosen.

Again, specifically, who are they? About how many?

Wherever and at anytime where two or three are gathered under the name of the Spirit of Truth, there is God also. The Word of God is God. Jesus Christ incarnate in the flesh. The body of Christ is the gathering of true worshippers of God in Spirit of Truth.

The Word of God is God. Then as John 1:1 states Jesus is the WORD. Then you are saying HE IS GOD. Right?

If any man say that Christ has not come in the flesh, he is the anti-christ.

So you do believe that Christ came in the FLESH. Right? And that he was and is everything that HE said he was. Right?

Agreed, Faith without works is dead. That type of faith will not resurrect the dead or translate the living. Faith comes from hearing the Word of God, not from doing the things that are contained in the law.

So then, Do you or do you not need to or have a desire to gather to worship on Ð²Ð¾ÑÐºÑ€ÐµÑÐµÐ½ÑŒÐµ (ressurection day) with your fellow believers?

Faith has its virtues apart from the law.

Don't understand your point.

December 26, 2006

So you do believe that Christ came in the FLESH. Right? And that he was and is everything that HE said he was. Right?

The flesh of Christ is His Body which we are.

lastinline · January 18, 2007

The second coming is just as the days of Noah. This age is for the many and the next age is for the few.

In this next age for the few. Do you have a time and a number to the few and who will they be?

The next age is the gathering of true worshippers in the Spirit of Truth. Many are called but few are chosen.

Again, specifically, who are they? About how many?

Wherever and at anytime where two or three are gathered under the name of the Spirit of Truth, there is God also. The Word of God is God. Jesus Christ incarnate in the flesh. The body of Christ is the gathering of true worshippers of God in Spirit of Truth.

The Word of God is God. Then as John 1:1 states Jesus is the WORD. Then you are saying HE IS GOD. Right?

If any man say that Christ has not come in the flesh, he is the anti-christ.

So you do believe that Christ came in the FLESH. Right? And that he was and is everything that HE said he was. Right?

Agreed, Faith without works is dead. That type of faith will not resurrect the dead or translate the living. Faith comes from hearing the Word of God, not from doing the things that are contained in the law.

So then, Do you or do you not need to or have a desire to gather to worship on Ð²Ð¾ÑÐºÑ€ÐµÑÐµÐ½ÑŒÐµ (ressurection day) with your fellow believers?

Faith has its virtues apart from the law.

Don't understand your point.

QUOTE(lastinline #### Dec 25 2006, 12:56 PM)

So you do believe that Christ came in the FLESH. Right? And that he was and is everything that HE said he was. Right?

The flesh of Christ is His Body which we are.

4vetta

Do you care to try answering these questions again? Please try to be more specific, PLEASE.

lastinline (I LOVE the view from here)

lastinline · March 24, 2007

NEW ISRAEL - Can it Be?

Friends

Today is воскресенье (Resurrection Day in Russian) and I would like bring some thoughts before you for consideration. I love the way this day is called in Russian, because of it`s deep spiritual meaning.

There are approximately 26 Molokan churches in California, Arizona, Oregon and Australia that have the S & L book on their pristol (head table). It has been my experience that there will be an average attendance of 25-30 persons attending on a regular воскресенье (Resurrection Day). If these numbers do not conform to your church, then I stand corrected . Please for sake of discussion, using these numbers, that would mean that about 780 people will be worshiping in these Molokan churches today.

The current population of the world is 6 1/2 billion and I have heard is said that there are more people alive today than have existed throughout mankind`s existence.

Today, there are countless thousands of Christian missionaries taking the Gospel (good news) to areas where there is terrible famine, disease, criminal activity and corrupt governments and this they do this without hardly a thought for their own safety. WHY do you think that IS? My belief is that their Faith and Love for Our Lord is so STRONG that they are compelled by the Holy Spirit to share their faith at all costs (even their own life and health).

PLEASE now give this some deep thought. How can so many Molokans claim to be God`s chosen people (New Israel), who, according to the S&L will usher in Christ`s return for the Thousand year Millennium and reign with Him, and with Muslims as servants (slaves), when only about 780 of its members will be worshiping today? Yes,

I know the scripture of "many are called but few are chosen." How can it be that our Great God, the Creator of this world and each of us (knows the number of hairs on our heads) has compelled only this minuscule number to worship Him today?

PLEASE do not make light of these thoughts. In light of the fact that there are about 6 1/2 billion people on earth. This number could be compared to standing on several miles of beach (Pismo?) and they would be but one grain of sand. Does this not give some pause or thought to maybe reconsider some of your beliefs, if you do believe in this way?

Any thoughts and/or objections?

Prayfully and Respectfully yours,

Lastinline (I love the view from here)

I would like you to revisit this subject AGAIN, Please.

A week from tomorrow, we will be gathering for The Last Supper commemoration that Our Dear SAVIOR asked (commanded) us to do. What will the attendance for this observance be?

With history as my guide, I would guess that even with it being on Sunday night, it will be SO small. My guess is that as an average there will be about 125 to 175 in attendance for about 26 churches that I mentioned in my previous post. Sadly, this is probably at least a bit high.

This small number in attendance and according to so many (by NO means a majority) make up the "New Israel" and God's Chosen. I would like to ask those "New Israel" believers if they REALLY believe that God's chosen people would be SO little in number on earth that now contains 6 1/2 billion people observing Christ's Last Supper? Answer truthfully. God hears your thoughts.

Here is something that I have observed over the years that astounds me. The average Molokan attends church about 10 to 20 times a year and remember, there are approximately 70 times per year to attend church services which includes the Holidays and regular Sunday morning services.

Where am I going with ALL this? Here it IS!! I would like to ask ALL of US, Is the Molokan Religion DYING a slow death or am I making a big tado about NOTHING? I have heard it stated that there could have been literally MILLIONS of Molokans in Russia long before the migration to America.

If all my conjecture is way off base, then please take a head count tomorrow and then again on the following Sunday night and tell me where I am wrong, Please!

Please, give all this some serious prayerful thought.

Again, Prayerfully and Respectfully yours,

lastinline

anakainosis · March 25, 2007

NEW ISRAEL - Can it Be?

Friends

Today is Ð²Ð¾ÑÐºÑ€ÐµÑÐµÐ½ÑŒÐµ (Resurrection Day in Russian) and I would like bring some thoughts before you for consideration. I love the way this day is called in Russian, because of it`s deep spiritual meaning.

There are approximately 26 Molokan churches in California, Arizona, Oregon and Australia that have the S & L book on their pristol (head table). It has been my experience that there will be an average attendance of 25-30 persons attending on a regular Ð²Ð¾ÑÐºÑ€ÐµÑÐµÐ½ÑŒÐµ (Resurrection Day). If these numbers do not conform to your church, then I stand corrected . Please for sake of discussion, using these numbers, that would mean that about 780 people will be worshiping in these Molokan churches today.

The current population of the world is 6 1/2 billion and I have heard is said that there are more people alive today than have existed throughout mankind`s existence.

Today, there are countless thousands of Christian missionaries taking the Gospel (good news) to areas where there is terrible famine, disease, criminal activity and corrupt governments and this they do this without hardly a thought for their own safety. WHY do you think that IS? My belief is that their Faith and Love for Our Lord is so STRONG that they are compelled by the Holy Spirit to share their faith at all costs (even their own life and health).

PLEASE now give this some deep thought. How can so many Molokans claim to be God`s chosen people (New Israel), who, according to the S&L will usher in Christ`s return for the Thousand year Millennium and reign with Him, and with Muslims as servants (slaves), when only about 780 of its members will be worshiping today? Yes,

I know the scripture of "many are called but few are chosen." How can it be that our Great God, the Creator of this world and each of us (knows the number of hairs on our heads) has compelled only this minuscule number to worship Him today?

PLEASE do not make light of these thoughts. In light of the fact that there are about 6 1/2 billion people on earth. This number could be compared to standing on several miles of beach (Pismo?) and they would be but one grain of sand. Does this not give some pause or thought to maybe reconsider some of your beliefs, if you do believe in this way?

Any thoughts and/or objections?

Prayfully and Respectfully yours,

Lastinline (I love the view from here)

I would like you to revisit this subject AGAIN, Please.

A week from tomorrow, we will be gathering for The Last Supper commemoration that Our Dear SAVIOR asked (commanded) us to do. What will the attendance for this observance be?

With history as my guide, I would guess that even with it being on Sunday night, it will be SO small. My guess is that as an average there will be about 125 to 175 in attendance for about 26 churches that I mentioned in my previous post. Sadly, this is probably at least a bit high.

This small number in attendance and according to so many (by NO means a majority) make up the "New Israel" and God's Chosen. I would like to ask those "New Israel" believers if they REALLY believe that God's chosen people would be SO little in number on earth that now contains 6 1/2 billion people observing Christ's Last Supper? Answer truthfully. God hears your thoughts.

Here is something that I have observed over the years that astounds me. The average Molokan attends church about 10 to 20 times a year and remember, there are approximately 70 times per year to attend church services which includes the Holidays and regular Sunday morning services.

Where am I going with ALL this? Here it IS!! I would like to ask ALL of US, Is the Molokan Religion DYING a slow death or am I making a big tado about NOTHING? I have heard it stated that there could have been literally MILLIONS of Molokans in Russia long before the migration to America.

If all my conjecture is way off base, then please take a head count tomorrow and then again on the following Sunday night and tell me where I am wrong, Please!

Please, give all this some serious prayerful thought.

Again, Prayerfully and Respectfully yours,

lastinline

Interesting perspective,

I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar?

March 25, 2007

I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar? [/color]

"... whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2

They die because of the famine of the end times, hungering for the Word, while straightening deck chairs on the Titanic.

EGK · March 26, 2007

I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar? [/color]

In the book of Acts it states: "Therefore, in the present case I advise you, Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God." Acts 5: 38-39

These are the words of the learned Rabbi Gamaliel before the sanhedrin concerning Peter and the Apostles and their teachings of Jesus Christ and what to do with them. Let us also be as they and continue in the name of Jesus Christ and keep on proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ. If the boat sinks it is of God and if it keeps on going that too is of God!

EGK

lastinline · March 26, 2007

I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar? [/color]

In the book of Acts it states: "Therefore, in the present case I advise you, Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God." Acts 5: 38-39

These are the words of the learned Rabbi Gamaliel before the sanhedrin concerning Peter and the Apostles and their teachings of Jesus Christ and what to do with them. Let us also be as they and continue in the name of Jesus Christ and keep on proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ. If the boat sinks it is of God and if it keeps on going that too is of God!

EGK

I would like to continue with some more of chapter 5;

Act 5:39 But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop them. You may even find yourselves fighting against God."

Act 5:40 The council accepted his advice. They called in the apostles and had them flogged. Then they ordered them never again to speak in the name of Jesus, and they let them go.

Act 5:41 The apostles left the high council rejoicing that God had counted them worthy to suffer dishonor for the name of Jesus.

Act 5:42 And every day, in the Temple and in their homes,* they continued to teach and preach this message: "The Messiah you are looking for is Jesus."

Does this not look somewhat like, what happens to a Molokan that rejects the s&l. Not the physical beating, but the attempted verbal hatred and backbiting that has or will be received by this young man (One of Deda's Steve's CO Mar 21 2007, 11:12 PM Post #22 ) as clearly he expects and has witnessed happening to others?

lastinline (I LOVE the view from here)

March 27, 2007

I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar? [/color]

In the book of Acts it states: "Therefore, in the present case I advise you, Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God." Acts 5: 38-39These are the words of the learned Rabbi Gamaliel before the sanhedrin concerning Peter and the Apostles and their teachings of Jesus Christ and what to do with them. Let us also be as they and continue in the name of Jesus Christ and keep on proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ. If the boat sinks it is of God and if it keeps on going that too is of God!

EGK

Wouldn't this apply to the New Israel Pahod aka the "Great Brazil Belly Flop"? Can you count the number of Pahod places named by the King O Spirit.

lastinline · April 16, 2007

NEW ISRAEL - Can it Be?

Friends

Today is воскресенье (Resurrection Day in Russian) and I would like bring some thoughts before you for consideration. I love the way this day is called in Russian, because of it`s deep spiritual meaning.

There are approximately 26 Molokan churches in California, Arizona, Oregon and Australia that have the S & L book on their pristol (head table). It has been my experience that there will be an average attendance of 25-30 persons attending on a regular воскресенье (Resurrection Day). If these numbers do not conform to your church, then I stand corrected . Please for sake of discussion, using these numbers, that would mean that about 780 people will be worshiping in these Molokan churches today.

The current population of the world is 6 1/2 billion and I have heard is said that there are more people alive today than have existed throughout mankind`s existence.

Today, there are countless thousands of Christian missionaries taking the Gospel (good news) to areas where there is terrible famine, disease, criminal activity and corrupt governments and this they do this without hardly a thought for their own safety. WHY do you think that IS? My belief is that their Faith and Love for Our Lord is so STRONG that they are compelled by the Holy Spirit to share their faith at all costs (even their own life and health).

PLEASE now give this some deep thought. How can so many Molokans claim to be God`s chosen people (New Israel), who, according to the S&L will usher in Christ`s return for the Thousand year Millennium and reign with Him, and with Muslims as servants (slaves), when only about 780 of its members will be worshiping today? Yes,

I know the scripture of "many are called but few are chosen." How can it be that our Great God, the Creator of this world and each of us (knows the number of hairs on our heads) has compelled only this minuscule number to worship Him today?

PLEASE do not make light of these thoughts. In light of the fact that there are about 6 1/2 billion people on earth. This number could be compared to standing on several miles of beach (Pismo?) and they would be but one grain of sand. Does this not give some pause or thought to maybe reconsider some of your beliefs, if you do believe in this way?

Any thoughts and/or objections?

Prayfully and Respectfully yours,

Lastinline (I love the view from here)

I would like you to revisit this subject AGAIN, Please.

A week from tomorrow, we will be gathering for The Last Supper commemoration that Our Dear SAVIOR asked (commanded) us to do. What will the attendance for this observance be?

With history as my guide, I would guess that even with it being on Sunday night, it will be SO small. My guess is that as an average there will be about 125 to 175 in attendance for about 26 churches that I mentioned in my previous post. Sadly, this is probably at least a bit high.

This small number in attendance and according to so many (by NO means a majority) make up the "New Israel" and God's Chosen. I would like to ask those "New Israel" believers if they REALLY believe that God's chosen people would be SO little in number on earth that now contains 6 1/2 billion people observing Christ's Last Supper? Answer truthfully. God hears your thoughts.

Here is something that I have observed over the years that astounds me. The average Molokan attends church about 10 to 20 times a year and remember, there are approximately 70 times per year to attend church services which includes the Holidays and regular Sunday morning services.

Where am I going with ALL this? Here it IS!! I would like to ask ALL of US, Is the Molokan Religion DYING a slow death or am I making a big tado about NOTHING? I have heard it stated that there could have been literally MILLIONS of Molokans in Russia long before the migration to America.

If all my conjecture is way off base, then please take a head count tomorrow and then again on the following Sunday night and tell me where I am wrong, Please!

Please, give all this some serious prayerful thought.

Again, Prayerfully and Respectfully yours,

lastinline

This topic AGAIN....! Enough already you probably are saying, but wait a minute and think about it for a second. This is the church that you belong to, is it not? If it is, then you MUST open your eyes and see what is happening to your church! The Resurrection Day Sunday, after Paska and the stacks and stacks of empty benches in the corner. Where did everybody GO?

A famous writer Mark Twain stated after a newspaper reported of his death "The news of my demise has been greatly exaggerated". Is it only that death is NEAR and nobody even CARES?

How many people were at your gathering today? Now that is an embarrassing number for a church that some claim is New Israel such as fourvetta, donk, redoctober & of course I can't leave out the steve(just leave)piv.

Any Thoughts and/or eulogies?

lastinline (I Love the Molokan people, not just because I am one)

April 16, 2007

This topic AGAIN....! Enough already you probably are saying, but wait a minute and think about it for a second. This is the church that you belong to, is it not? If it is, then you MUST open your eyes and see what is happening to your church! The Resurrection Day Sunday, after Paska and the stacks and stacks of empty benches in the corner. Where did everybody GO?

How many people were at your gathering today? Now that is an embarrassing number for a church that some claim is New Israel such as fourvetta, donk, redoctober & of course I can't leave out the steve(just leave)piv.

lastinline (I Love the Molokan people, not just because I am one)

1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

lastinline- Are you a Molokan? :laughatyou:

lastinline · April 17, 2007

This topic AGAIN....! Enough already you probably are saying, but wait a minute and think about it for a second. This is the church that you belong to, is it not? If it is, then you MUST open your eyes and see what is happening to your church! The Resurrection Day Sunday, after Paska and the stacks and stacks of empty benches in the corner. Where did everybody GO?

How many people were at your gathering today? Now that is an embarrassing number for a church that some claim is New Israel such as fourvetta, donk, redoctober & of course I can't leave out the steve(just leave)piv.

lastinline (I Love the Molokan people, not just because I am one)

1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

lastinline- Are you a Molokan?

John speaks of a rather large number (no man could count) and no mention of a New Israel and/or Molokan. I guess KJV Bible had Molokan omitted for some diabolic reason. I wonder if we are mentioned in the Russian Bible. Check it out and get back to me, please.

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

WARNING TO ALL MOLOKANS!

Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee

Interesting how you ask if I'm a Molokan and then put the laugh at you face and three times, No less! Oh, may I ask if you are a Molokan?

YES, I am a Christian Molokan, from the E.L.A. & Montebello area.

With Love and Respect to ALL,

lastinline (I Love the view from here)

lastinline · April 21, 2007

oye yoi yoi,

I ask again, Are you a Molokan?

WARNING TO ALL MOLOKANS!

Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee

Interesting how you ask if I'm a Molokan and then put the laugh at you face and three times, No less! Oh, may I ask if you are a Molokan?

YES, I am a Christian Molokan, from the E.L.A. & Montebello area.

With Love and Respect to ALL,

lastinline (I Love the view from here)

lastinline · May 1, 2007

Back at Ya All!

lastinline (I LOVE the view from here)

oye yoi yoi,

I ask again, Are you a Molokan?

WARNING TO ALL MOLOKANS!

Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee

Interesting how you ask if I'm a Molokan and then put the laugh at you face and three times, No less! Oh, may I ask if you are a Molokan?

YES, I am a Christian Molokan, from the E.L.A. & Montebello area.

With Love and Respect to ALL,

lastinline (I Love the view from here)

seeking_truth_1 · December 28, 2007

Back to the original thread topic

Are the molokans the "new" israel?

Where can this be found in the Bible?

lastinline · December 28, 2007

I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar?

This statement from anakainosis can be very enlightening and provocative in light of the FACT that attendance continues to diminish to a point where most Molokan churches on Sunday morning for a regular service would be well served and save a lot money for the congregation to simply become house to house churches, for the average living room would have plenty of room for ALL the attendees. With the average attendance of 15-30, imagine the savings, since the homes are already heated and there would be no need to heat up the large church facility.

Now those who continue to hold to this "New Israel" notion, I ask you, God's new chosen people, having regular Sunday morning church services in an average living room and having plenty of room to spare? Does that make any sense to you? Come now be honest, why lie yourself? Think, about it, PLEASE!!!!!

lastinline (4 a reason & 4 a season?)

December 28, 2007

I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar?

This statement from anakainosis can be very enlightening and provocative in light of the FACT that attendance continues to diminish to a point where most Molokan churches on Sunday morning for a regular service would be well served and save a lot money for the congregation to simply become house to house churches, for the average living room would have plenty of room for ALL the attendees. With the average attendance of 15-30, imagine the savings, since the homes are already heated and there would be no need to heat up the large church facility.

Now those who continue to hold to this "New Israel" notion, I ask you, God's new chosen people, having regular Sunday morning church services in an average living room and having plenty of room to spare? Does that make any sense to you? Come now be honest, why lie yourself? Think, about it, PLEASE!!!!!

lastinline (4 a reason & 4 a season?)

Meet in homes...good idea. No need for a bunch of benches just sit around with a bible on our laps and sing Jesus Loves Me.

December 28, 2007

I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar?

The die hard members knew that the ship was sinking but they stayed the course because that is where God wanted them to be.

December 29, 2007

I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar?

This statement from anakainosis can be very enlightening and provocative in light of the FACT that attendance continues to diminish to a point where most Molokan churches on Sunday morning for a regular service would be well served and save a lot money for the congregation to simply become house to house churches, for the average living room would have plenty of room for ALL the attendees. With the average attendance of 15-30, imagine the savings, since the homes are already heated and there would be no need to heat up the large church facility.

Now those who continue to hold to this "New Israel" notion, I ask you, God's new chosen people, having regular Sunday morning church services in an average living room and having plenty of room to spare? Does that make any sense to you? Come now be honest, why lie yourself? Think, about it, PLEASE!!!!!

lastinline (4 a reason & 4 a season?)

You're not serious about them being honest are you? If these people from the preacher on down, can lie to the Father about His Son not being God, and not really believe the Bible. Why would someone want to church with such people? Give it up! Get right with God, nothing else matters. You're trying to pound a square peg into a round hole......A true friend would tell you how it is.....S. friend of Lil.

seeking_truth_1 · December 29, 2007

What a ridiculous statement...

What about the survivors of the Titianic?

They didn't resign themselves to going down with the RMS Titianic unlike like those "poor die-hard (prideful) martyrs" going down on the RMS molokan

I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar?

The die hard members knew that the ship was sinking but they stayed the course because that is where God wanted them to be.

December 29, 2007

The die hard members knew that the ship was sinking but they stayed the course because that is where God wanted them to be.

Guest, These die hard members as you call them, were told by the great prophet Buchnoff during post Maxims time, not to leave Russia because Maxim was coming back from the dead for his jumpers and leepers. Quoting you..."because that is where God wanted them to be" and this is how you believe.

Of those who stayed in Russia waiting for Maxims return, where are their decendants today? How is it that you are now in America? What happened to you good old "thats where God wanted them to be" and "staying the course" point of view?

lastinline · February 1, 2008

With the state of the Molokan churches at the present time, I would like to interject the same warning that my Messiah gives the Church in Laodicea. Who can truly deny that as Christ states in verse 17, would not our current leaders (not all) say if asked, how do think your congregation is doing today? Would answer, we are rich we have acquired wealth and do not need a thing!

Revelations 3:14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans (MOLOKANS) write,

"These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15. "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16. "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17. "Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'--and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked-- 18. "I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19. "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

NKJV

Empty benches on any given regular Sunday morning service, tells all who wonder why? Is the truth to be found somewhere else? Empty hearts and souls who choose to stay home, WHY? Is it the blind leading the blind and deaf leading the deaf?

lastinline (from where all can be seen)

February 1, 2008

With the state of the Molokan churches at the present time, I would like to interject the same warning that my Messiah gives the Church in Laodicea. Who can truly deny that as Christ states in verse 17, would not our current leaders (not all) say if asked, how do think your congregation is doing today? Would answer, we are rich we have acquired wealth and do not need a thing!

Revelations 3:14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans (MOLOKANS) write,

"These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15. "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16. "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17. "Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'--and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked-- 18. "I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19. "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

NKJV

Empty benches on any given regular Sunday morning service, tells all who wonder why? Is the truth to be found somewhere else? Empty hearts and souls who choose to stay home, WHY? Is it the blind leading the blind and deaf leading the deaf?

lastinline (from where all can be seen)

Mebbe everyone is at another doing like a pominkee or wedding doin' somethin else. The calendar is full ya know.

lastinline · February 1, 2008

name='5361F6' date='Jan 31 2008, 04:57 PM' post='13233']Mebbe everyone is at another doing like a pominkee or wedding doin' somethin else. The calendar is full ya know.

Or, what you really mean is, "We are rich, we have become wealthy, and we have need of nothing'-- our calendar is full." And besides "We are NEW ISRAEL, so it matters not"

lastinline

Pollo del Mar · February 2, 2008

name='5361F6' date='Jan 31 2008, 04:57 PM' post='13233']Mebbe everyone is at another doing like a pominkee or wedding doin' somethin else. The calendar is full ya know.

Or, what you really mean is, "We are rich, we have become wealthy, and we have need of nothing'-- our calendar is full." And besides "We are NEW ISRAEL, so it matters not"

lastinline

We have become, to name a few; arrogant, conceited, haughty, egotistical, bigheaded, superior, proud, overconfident, supercilious, self-important, and condescending. We can do nothing wrong, our children can do nothing wrong. Yes, we are NEW ISREAL.

seeking_truth_1 · April 8, 2008

I saw this and I guess I never noticed it before

Wouldn't it be best to not just leave it alone, but rather to warn those who don't want to go down with the ship

I guess you can make the same case for the "church" of satan

God is soverign and obviously allowing it to exist, but that does not indicate that they are in Gods will much like the molokan "church"

Also, I hope that you are not likening the molokan church to the Work of God that was going on through the Church in the book of Acts

There's no similarities

The Apostles were accurately teaching and rightly dividing the Word whereas the molokan "church" (groups 2 & 3) have no clue what truth is

In the book of Acts it states: "Therefore, in the present case I advise you, Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God." Acts 5: 38-39
These are the words of the learned Rabbi Gamaliel before the sanhedrin concerning Peter and the Apostles and their teachings of Jesus Christ and what to do with them. Let us also be as they and continue in the name of Jesus Christ and keep on proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ. If the boat sinks it is of God and if it keeps on going that too is of God!

EGK

EGK · April 8, 2008

I saw this and I guess I never noticed it before

Wouldn't it be best to not just leave it alone, but rather to warn those who don't want to go down with the ship

I guess you can make the same case for the "church" of satan

God is soverign and obviously allowing it to exist, but that does not indicate that they are in Gods will much like the molokan "church"

Also, I hope that you not are likening the molokan church to the Work of God that was going on through the Church in the book of Acts

There's no similarities

The Apostles were accurately teaching and rightly dividing the Word whereas the molokan "church" (groups 2 & 3) have no clue what truth is

In the book of Acts it states: "Therefore, in the present case I advise you, Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God." Acts 5: 38-39
These are the words of the learned Rabbi Gamaliel before the sanhedrin concerning Peter and the Apostles and their teachings of Jesus Christ and what to do with them. Let us also be as they and continue in the name of Jesus Christ and keep on proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ. If the boat sinks it is of God and if it keeps on going that too is of God!

EGK

Interesting!

You are finally getting around to reading what I have written. Here is one more to think about!

"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying, The Scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. Matthew 23 :1-2

These are the ones who put our Lord to death, the ones who led Israel astray. What do you think?

EGK

seeking_truth_1 · April 8, 2008

Jesus was indicting the false religious leaders

Not because they didn't know the Scriptures, they ignored the weightier matters

They emphasized the external religious practices yet forgot the more important issues such as justice, mercy and faith

""How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income, but you ignore the important things of the law““justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things." (Matthew 23:23 NLT)

I'm confident the Scribes and Pharisees knew the Scriptures well not like the "new israel" Scribes and Pharisees who have no clue

"1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,

2 "The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the Scriptures.

3 So practice and obey whatever they say to you, but don`t follow their example. For they don`t practice what they teach.

4 They crush you with impossible religious demands and never lift a finger to help ease the burden.

5 "Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear extra long tassels on their robes.

6 And how they love to sit at the head table at banquets (dzelas) and in the most prominent seats in the synagogue (sobrinia)!

7 They enjoy the attention they get on the streets, and they enjoy being called ˜Rabbi.`"(preacher) (Mt 23:1-7 NLT)

lastinline · April 9, 2008

name='EGK' date='Mar 26 2007, 02:55 AM' post='10148']I think the religion is dying, like a sinking ship slowly sinking under the cold waves of the Atlantic. And the die-hards are the band members playing on at the diner party, because, they think the boat they`re on is unsinkable! Sound familiar?

In the book of Acts it states: "Therefore, in the present case I advise you, Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God." Acts 5: 38-39

These are the words of the learned Rabbi Gamaliel before the sanhedrin concerning Peter and the Apostles and their teachings of Jesus Christ and what to do with them. Let us also be as they and continue in the name of Jesus Christ and keep on proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ. If the boat sinks it is of God and if it keeps on going that too is of God!

EGK

It is truly ironic that there are so many that in their folly to keep the ship from sinking because some feel there is only a limited number of spaces on the "new israel" ship, they are compelled to throw all those Apostate (sola scriptura) believers off so their ship won't sink.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

NKJV

Also consider this: There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way."

C. S. Lewis

lastinline (where the SON shines)

seeking_truth_1 · March 6, 2009

This was a good thread and perhaps can be looked at again

lastinline · January 20, 2011

This was a good thread and perhaps can be looked at again

The empty benches are still getting dustier and dustier.

lastinline (no padded benches around here)

January 20, 2011

Why do you attend a church that has empty benches?

This was a good thread and perhaps can be looked at again

The empty benches are still getting dustier and dustier.

lastinline (no padded benches around here)

lastinline · January 22, 2011

Why do you attend a church that has empty benches?

In much the same way "the haughty John Kerry" (who served in Vietnam, don't you know), always is the smartest person in the room and he will gladly let you know why, you seem to know why. As I perceive you are a John Kerry type, why don't you let me know why I attend a church with empty benches? Be nice now, please.

lastinline (& staying lively)

lastinline · January 22, 2011

fourvetta, hey good buddy where you been hiding out?

lastinline (where the ticket to heaven is fully paid 4 by the Blood of the Lamb)

January 24, 2011

And how many were saved in Sodom & Gomorah?

seeking_truth_1 · January 24, 2011

You don't know?

Seems to me the Bible has the explanation

To define terms, what "saved" means?

Kept alive physically or something else?

And how many were saved in Sodom & Gomorah?

lastinline · January 24, 2011

And how many were saved in Sodom & Gomorrah?

Weird response, so mgr, who clearly was a lover of the ladies has lead "new israelites" out of exactly where? So where is it that you believe is in some way, is analogous to "Sodom & Gomorrah"?

Luke 12:1 (b) He began to say to His disciples first of all, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy." NKJV

От Луки 12:1(b) Он начал говорить сперва ученикам Своим: "берегитесь закваски фарисейской, которая есть лицемерие" RSV

May I please remind you that when the day set aside to bring together your fellow "new israelites" on a regular Resurrection Day, there will be a undeniably small participation. Does this mean that the vast majority of your fellow "new israelites" will remain in Sodom & Gomorrah and be destroyed?

I ask you to please address this issue honestly in the reality that God Himself knows your thoughts.

lastinline (where mind games are not played with God always listening in)

January 24, 2011

why don't you let me know why I attend a church with empty benches?

You attend the molokan church because of its beautiful traditions.

Why do you attend a church that has empty benches?
In much the same way "the haughty John Kerry" (who served in Vietnam, don't you know), always is the smartest person in the room and he will gladly let you know why, you seem to know why. As I perceive you are a John Kerry type, why don't you let me know why I attend a church with empty benches? Be nice now, please.

lastinline (& staying lively)

seeking_truth_1 · January 24, 2011

What "beautiful" traditions?

Racism?

The Occult?

why don't you let me know why I attend a church with empty benches?

You attend the molokan church because of its beautiful traditions.

Why do you attend a church that has empty benches?
In much the same way "the haughty John Kerry" (who served in Vietnam, don't you know), always is the smartest person in the room and he will gladly let you know why, you seem to know why. As I perceive you are a John Kerry type, why don't you let me know why I attend a church with empty benches? Be nice now, please.

lastinline (& staying lively)

lastinline · January 24, 2011

why don't you let me know why I attend a church with empty benches?

You attend the molokan church because of its beautiful traditions.

So, I was correct. You're clearly a John Kerry type and always the smartest one in the room. Would that include all your "new israelite" brethren? Did you also serve admirably (ha, ha) in Vietnam?

This teaching from Apostle Paul, could help those not too shackled by the heresy that is "new israel."

Romans 12:3 Because of the privilege and authority God has given me, I give each of you this warning: Don’t think you are better than you really are. Be honest in your evaluation of yourselves, measuring yourselves by the faith God has given us. NLT

К Римлянам 12:3 По данной мне благодати, всякому из вас говорю: не думайте [о] [себе] более, нежели должно думать; но думайте скромно, по мере веры, какую каждому Бог уделил. RSV

lastinline (where only HIS shackles are desired)

lastinline · January 24, 2011

You attend the molokan church because of its beautiful traditions.

Furthermore, my Lord God, knew people like you, quite well and knew your true heart.

Mark 7: 6 Jesus replied, “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote,

"These people honor me with their lips,

but their hearts are far from me.

7 Their worship is a farce,

for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God."

8 For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

9 Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition. NLT

От Марка 7:6 Он сказал им в ответ: хорошо пророчествовал о вас, лицемерах, Исаия, как написано: люди сии чтут Меня устами, сердце же их далеко отстоит от Меня,

7 но тщетно чтут Меня, уча учениям, заповедям человеческим.

8 Ибо вы, оставив заповедь Божию, держитесь предания человеческого, омовения кружек и чаш, и делаете многое другое, сему подобное.

9 И сказал им: хорошо ли, [что] вы отменяете заповедь Божию, чтобы соблюсти свое предание?

lastinline (where facts speak loudly)

January 24, 2011

why don't you let me know why I attend a church with empty benches?

You attend the molokan church because of its beautiful traditions.

You mean like this:

A few weeks ago, a couple with this disregard for such matters brought a

newborn child to the hospital with unknown troubles and woes.

Immediately, those parents began to pray, asked others to pray and a

great worry was created for those parents. A question arises here: Why

even worry or care?

January 25, 2011

lastinline.

You asked ...

why don't you let me know why I attend a church with empty benches?

I responded with..You attend the molokan church because of its beautiful traditions

.

You come back with somthing total unrelated and some new israel nonsense.

You avoid the question because your being a hypocrite and a fence sitter.

.

So, I was correct. You're clearly a John Kerry type and always the smartest one in the room. Would that include all your "new israelite" brethren? Did you also serve admirably (ha, ha) in Vietnam?

This teaching from Apostle Paul, could help those not too shackled by the heresy that is "new israel."

Romans 12:3 Because of the privilege and authority God has given me, I give each of you this warning: Don’t think you are better than you really are. Be honest in your evaluation of yourselves, measuring yourselves by the faith God has given us. NLT

К Римлянам 12:3 По данной мне благодати, всякому из вас говорю: не думайте [о] [себе] более, нежели должно думать; но думайте скромно, по мере веры, какую каждому Бог уделил. RSV

lastinline (where only HIS shackles are desired)

lastinline · January 25, 2011

lastinline.
You asked ...

why don't you let me know why I attend a church with empty benches?
I responded with..You attend the molokan church because of its beautiful traditions

.
You come back with something total unrelated and some new israel nonsense.

You avoid the question because your being a hypocrite and a fence sitter.

"some new israel nonsense." Please, humor me. What about "new israel" is something that your neighbor would be desirous and overwhelmed with envy of its "beautiful traditions."

Is what Jesus Christ says about traditions of men, simply of no plausibility to your beliefs and/or thoughts?

lastinline (where fictional beliefs have no place)

lastinline · January 25, 2011

Just looked at how many are logged in at this very moment and there are 33. At the vast majority of Molokan congregations there was less in attendance, unless food was served. Does this make Spiritual sense. This is nonsense? Please get a grip, already.

lastinline (& watching for those mine-fields)

January 25, 2011

lastinline you have yet to answer the question," why do you continue to find fault of rhe molokan church yet continue to attend it?

Just looked at how many are logged in at this very moment and there are 33. At the vast majority of Molokan congregations there was less in attendance, unless food was served. Does this make Spiritual sense. This is nonsense? Please get a grip, already.

lastinline (& watching for those mine-fields)

seeking_truth_1 · January 26, 2011

This is a very good question

lastinline you have yet to answer the question," why do you continue to find fault of rhe molokan church yet continue to attend it?

lastinline · January 26, 2011

This is a very good question

lastinline you have yet to answer the question," why do you continue to find fault of rhe molokan church yet continue to attend it?

1.Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) - the church that had forsaken its first love (2:4).

2.Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11) - the church that would suffer persecution (2:10).

3.Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17) - the church that needed to repent (2:16).

4.Thyatira (Revelation 2:18-29) - the church that had a false prophetess (2:20).

5.Sardis (Revelation 3:1-6) - the church that had fallen asleep (3:2).

6.Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13) - the church that had endured patiently (3:10).

7.Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22) - the church with the lukewarm faith (3:16).

Looking for that Big or Small, Number Six. Care to share with me exactly where that it is located?

lastinline (where its quite comfortable where HE is the Cornerstone)

January 26, 2011

So lastinline, you believe that the molokan church is the church of Philadelphia and that He is the cornerstone of that (molokan) church.

Thats why you continue to attend and that you're very confortable in doing so.

Thank you for making that clear.

name='lastinline' date='Jan 26 2011, 12:02 PM' post='87929'
name='seeking_truth_1' post='87892' date='Jan 26 2011, 07:00 AM']This is a very good question

lastinline you have yet to answer the question," why do you continue to find fault of rhe molokan church yet continue to attend it?

Looking for that Big or Small, Number Six. Care to share with me exactly where that it is located?

lastinline (where its quite comfortable where HE is the Cornerstone)

KevinPolyaNazaroff · January 26, 2011

This is a very good question

lastinline you have yet to answer the question," why do you continue to find fault of rhe molokan church yet continue to attend it?

Christians are first and foremost members of the Church of Jesus Christ.

All denomoniations are simply mans labels on man made sytems of belief.

In my opinion, you are embracing an extreme religous view similar to that of what the "new israel" group teaches, in that you are not allowed to question what is going on around you.

So it makes no sense why you would assume that lastinline should just leave because he has an opinion about what is going on in the molokan church.

It seems to me that religion is blinding both the "new israel" and the extreme "anti-molokan" groups.

Also, before you get excited, I am not trying to justify molokanism.

I could walk away from it tomorrow if God so desires.

And I don't need to justifiy molokanism in order to stay.

If the molokan church gets radically changed overnight into a complete Bible-only believing church, I still would keep the option open to leaving the molokan church.

It comes down to where God wants His children, not where the children want to go.

We are slaves to Jesus, and the details of our lives are entirely up to Him.

Kevin Nazaroff

January 26, 2011

This is a very good question

lastinline you have yet to answer the question," why do you continue to find fault of rhe molokan church yet continue to attend it?

Christians are first and foremost members of the Church of Jesus Christ.

All denomoniations are simply mans labels on man made sytems of belief.

In my opinion, you are embracing an extreme religous view similar to that of what the "new israel" group teaches, in that you are not allowed to question what is going on around you.

So it makes no sense why you would assume that lastinline should just leave because he has an opinion about what is going on in the molokan church.

It seems to me that religion is blinding both the "new israel" and the extreme "anti-molokan" groups.

Also, before you get excited, I am not trying to justify molokanism.

I could walk away from it tomorrow if God so desires.

And I don't need to justifiy molokanism in order to stay.

If the molokan church gets radically changed overnight into a complete Bible-only believing church, I still would keep the option open to leaving the molokan church.

It comes down to where God wants His children, not where the children want to go.

We are slaves to Jesus, and the details of our lives are entirely up to Him.

Kevin Nazaroff

I guess some of his children are illiterate.

http://www.molokan.net/forum/style_images/...icons/icon6.gif :bigemo_harabe_net-24:

seeking_truth_1 · January 26, 2011

Anti-molokan?

What do you mean by "extreme anti-molokan groups"?

What is a molokan?

What is their statement of faith?

How does it line up with Scripture?

21st Century molokanism is not Christianity as long as the extra book is present

Looking at what it's become, I'm a member of the "anti" group

Perhaps moreso an "anti-molokanism" group

Not because I have a beef with "nominal distinctives" but because the extra book that is present on EVERY prestol is not Christian in fact is anti-Christian

Certainly you can be a Christian that is part of the cult of molokanism, but why?

If you are regularly attending a molokan "church" as your primary "church" and are not attending a real Bible teaching Church for study, fellowship, prayer & communion (acts 2:42), you are in compromise

Jesus' teachings are EXTREME and very narrow not providing room for compromise

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (John 14:6)

The cult of molokanism has an extra book AND doctrines that stem from that extra book that teaches a different "way" which is anti-Christian

Shouldn't you be concerned about that "extreme"?

Perhaps there will be a day when we get back to Bible Only Molokan Churches that appear to be Group 1 all the way

What happened to these Molokans?

Real Molokans - Click Here

Christians are first and foremost members of the Church of Jesus Christ.
All denomoniations are simply mans labels on man made sytems of belief.

In my opinion, you are embracing an extreme religous view similar to that of what the "new israel" group teaches, in that you are not allowed to question what is going on around you.

So it makes no sense why you would assume that lastinline should just leave because he has an opinion about what is going on in the molokan church.

It seems to me that religion is blinding both the "new israel" and the extreme "anti-molokan" groups.

Also, before you get excited, I am not trying to justify molokanism.

I could walk away from it tomorrow if God so desires.

And I don't need to justifiy molokanism in order to stay.

If the molokan church gets radically changed overnight into a complete Bible-only believing church, I still would keep the option open to leaving the molokan church.

It comes down to where God wants His children, not where the children want to go.

We are slaves to Jesus, and the details of our lives are entirely up to Him.

Kevin Nazaroff

lastinline · January 26, 2011

So lastinline, you believe that the molokan church is the church of Philadelphia and that He is the cornerstone of that (molokan) church.
Thats why you continue to attend and that you're very comfortable in doing so.

Thank you for making that clear.

You seem to enjoy PROVING an old saying by Mark Twain to seem Biblical, by seeming to leave no doubt of you desire to look foolish! I'm sure you'll continue to prove its validity, so by all means, keep up the good work. And of course, I'd like to add, thank you very much!

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

See how you clearly proved my point, again so quickly;

I guess some of his children are illiterate.

lastinline (wow, & taking it slow & easy) :moonwalk:

lastinline · January 26, 2011

Don't forget, dear friend. MGR-ism and Legalism, merely two-sides of the same coin and obviously of NO value to anyone.

lastinline (& yucking it up sometimes, as resident "provocateur of comic relief")

January 26, 2011

My assumption is based on the fact that lastinline refuses to answer a very simple question, but instead dances around with pointless comments.

Instead of answering my question he asked for my opinion as to why he stays in the molokan church. Looking at his response I believe I hit the nail on the head.

I find it hypocritical to continue attending a service that is new isreal based and then complain about how unbiblical it is.

name='KevinPolyaNazaroff' date='Jan 26 2011, 12:52 PM' post='87938'

So it makes no sense why you would assume that lastinline should just leave because he has an opinion about what is going on in the molokan church.

seeking_truth_1 · January 27, 2011

? has a valid point

lastinline has an "opinion"?

molokanism is just a "little" different?

You're kidding, right?

I have "opinions" about mormonism, jw's and other cults so you'll not find me attending their "church" regularly

He should leave as all Christians should have no active part of such a place unless the Lord has specifically called them to be there

My assumption is based on the fact that lastinline refuses to answer a very simple question, but instead dances around with pointless comments.

Instead of answering my question he asked for my opinion as to why he stays in the molokan church. Looking at his response I believe I hit the nail on the head.

I find it hypocritical to continue attending a service that is new isreal based and then complain about how unbiblical it is.

name='KevinPolyaNazaroff' date='Jan 26 2011, 12:52 PM' post='87938'

So it makes no sense why you would assume that lastinline should just leave because he has an opinion about what is going on in the molokan church.

lastinline · January 27, 2011

? has a valid point

He should leave as all Christians should have no active part of such a place unless the Lord has specifically called them to be there

Valid point? Really? Facts? By a "new israelite" mindset on Spiritual Truths? How?

My assumption is based on the fact that lastinline refuses to answer a very simple question, but instead dances around with pointless comments.

1 Corinthians 7:17 Each of you should continue to live in whatever situation the Lord has placed you, and remain as you were when God first called you. This is my rule for all the churches. 18 For instance, a man who was circumcised before he became a believer should not try to reverse it. And the man who was uncircumcised when he became a believer should not be circumcised now. 19 For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God’s commandments. 20 Yes, each of you should remain as you were when God called you. 21 Are you a slave? Don’t let that worry you—but if you get a chance to be free, take it. 22 And remember, if you were a slave when the Lord called you, you are now free in the Lord. And if you were free when the Lord called you, you are now a slave of Christ. 23 God paid a high price for you, so don’t be enslaved by the world. 24 Each of you, dear brothers and sisters, should remain as you were when God first called you . NLT

lastinline (& planted & nourished by HIM alone)

January 27, 2011

So christains should adhere to this command by Paul to stay where they think God has planted them.

The mormon who becomes a christain has to remain in the mormon church with all its cultic practices?

The JW who becomes a christian has to remain in the JW church with writings similar to the S & L?

The molokan who becomes a christian has to adhere to the practices of the new israel belief system?

To partake with the new israel system is the same as embracing it.

A true Christian could only remain inside the molokan church dishonestly and in dishonor of his Lord.

Lastinline continually blasts the new isreal proponents and yet himself partakes in the very system he abhors.

name='lastinline' date='Jan 26 2011, 05:19 PM' post='87972'
Each of you, dear brothers and sisters, should remain as you were when God first called you

lastinline · January 27, 2011

In each of these cases that you allude to, if they are allowed to minister and/or proclaim Truths according to the Holy Scriptures, then YES! You know full well, that there is a high degree of certainty that this would not happen, except in many Molokan Churches.

Please check this strand. click ---->Forced Removal.... This could be in my future.

Romans 10:14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? NLT

К Римлянам 10:14 Но как призывать [Того], в Кого не уверовали? как веровать [в] [Того], о Ком не слыхали? как слышать без проповедующего? RSV

And I continue to remind you, "MGR-ism and Legalism are two sides of the same coin of no value.

lastinline (where no holds bared logic and Biblical Truth reigns supreme)

So christains should adhere to this command by Paul to stay where they think God has planted them.

The mormon who becomes a christain has to remain in the mormon church with all its cultic practices?

The JW who becomes a christian has to remain in the JW church with writings similar to the S & L?

The molokan who becomes a christian has to adhere to the practices of the new israel belief system?

To partake with the new israel system is the same as embracing it.

A true Christian could only remain inside the molokan church dishonestly and in dishonor of his Lord.

Lastinline continually blasts the new isreal proponents and yet himself partakes in the very system he abhors.

name='lastinline' date='Jan 26 2011, 05:19 PM' post='87972'
Each of you, dear brothers and sisters, should remain as you were when God first called you

lastinline · January 27, 2011

удобная ноча or good night and sweet dreams.

lastinline (& now in prayerful sleep)

seeking_truth_1 · January 27, 2011

Of course they are incapable of having Godly "Spiritual Truth" but Scripture does not support staying unequally yoked

Point being, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while

You cite 1 Corinthians 7:17 ,but that was written to Christian Churches not cults

molokanism is not a Christian Church so this does not apply

Would you apply the same passage if you came to faith while regularly in a "church" of satan or mormonism?

What Spiritual benefit is there?

Scripture, in context, is clear about the role for the Christian and where they should be

It's certainly not intermixed with Baal

15 ¶ But if you refuse to serve the LORD, then choose today whom you will serve. Would you prefer the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates? Or will it be the gods of the Amorites in whose land you now live? But as for me and my family, we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15

23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.

24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works,

25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. (Hebrews 10:23-25)

1 ¶ And so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice—the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him.

2 Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect. (Romans 12:1-2)

14 Don't team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness?

15 What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever?

16 And what union can there be between God's temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said:

"I will live in them and walk among them.

I will be their God, and they will be my people.

17 Therefore, come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD.

Don't touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17)

? has a valid point

He should leave as all Christians should have no active part of such a place unless the Lord has specifically called them to be there

Valid point? Really? Facts? By a "new israelite" mindset on Spiritual Truths? How?

My assumption is based on the fact that lastinline refuses to answer a very simple question, but instead dances around with pointless comments.

1 Corinthians 7:17 Each of you should continue to live in whatever situation the Lord has placed you, and remain as you were when God first called you. This is my rule for all the churches. 18 For instance, a man who was circumcised before he became a believer should not try to reverse it. And the man who was uncircumcised when he became a believer should not be circumcised now. 19 For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God's commandments. 20 Yes, each of you should remain as you were when God called you. 21 Are you a slave? Don't let that worry you—but if you get a chance to be free, take it. 22 And remember, if you were a slave when the Lord called you, you are now free in the Lord. And if you were free when the Lord called you, you are now a slave of Christ. 23 God paid a high price for you, so don't be enslaved by the world. 24 Each of you, dear brothers and sisters, should remain as you were when God first called you . NLT

lastinline (& planted & nourished by HIM alone)

KevinPolyaNazaroff · January 27, 2011

You cite 1 Corinthians 7:17 ,but that was written to Christian Churches not cults

molokanism is not a Christian Church so this does not apply

Would you apply the same passage if you came to faith while regularly in a "church" of satan or mormonism?

What Spiritual benefit is there?

Scripture, in context, is clear about the role for the Christian and where they should be

It's certainly not intermixed with Baal

15 ¶ But if you refuse to serve the LORD, then choose today whom you will serve. Would you prefer the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates? Or will it be the gods of the Amorites in whose land you now live? But as for me and my family, we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15

23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.

24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works,

25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. (Hebrews 10:23-25)

1 ¶ And so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice—the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him.

2 Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect. (Romans 12:1-2)

14 Don't team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness?

15 What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever?

16 And what union can there be between God's temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said:

"I will live in them and walk among them.

I will be their God, and they will be my people.

17 Therefore, come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD.

Don't touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17)

Where in scripture does your definition of a cult come from?

Kevin Nazaroff

seeking_truth_1 · January 28, 2011

We'll need to define cult first

: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents

Perhaps I should clarify and define molokanism more like a Christian cult not just a generic cult

In a word... Unorthodox

Is that a start?

You cite 1 Corinthians 7:17 ,but that was written to Christian Churches not cults

molokanism is not a Christian Church so this does not apply

Would you apply the same passage if you came to faith while regularly in a "church" of satan or mormonism?

What Spiritual benefit is there?

Scripture, in context, is clear about the role for the Christian and where they should be

It's certainly not intermixed with Baal

15 ¶ But if you refuse to serve the LORD, then choose today whom you will serve. Would you prefer the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates? Or will it be the gods of the Amorites in whose land you now live? But as for me and my family, we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15

23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.

24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works,

25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. (Hebrews 10:23-25)

1 ¶ And so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice—the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him.

2 Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect. (Romans 12:1-2)

14 Don't team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness?

15 What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever?

16 And what union can there be between God's temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said:

"I will live in them and walk among them.

I will be their God, and they will be my people.

17 Therefore, come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD.

Don't touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17)

Where in scripture does your definition of a cult come from?

Kevin Nazaroff

KevinPolyaNazaroff · January 28, 2011

We'll need to define cult first

: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents

Perhaps I should clarify and define molokanism more like a Christian cult not just a generic cult

In a word... Unorthodox

Is that a start?

I think it would be good to start with the Biblical definition of a cult.

But, the word cult is not used in the bible.

The NAS uses it, but the AV does not.

And when the ESV uses it, it is to describe the harlots and prostitutes.

Genesis 38:21

And he asked the men of the place, “Where is the cult prostitute who was at Enaim at the roadside?” And they said, “No cult prostitute has been here.”

Genesis 38:22

So he returned to Judah and said, “I have not found her. Also, the men of the place said, ‘No cult prostitute has been here.’ ”

Deuteronomy 23:17

“None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, and none of the sons of Israel shall be a cult prostitute.

1 Kings 14:24

and there were also male cult prostitutes in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations that the LORD drove out before the people of Israel.

1 Kings 15:12

He put away the male cult prostitutes out of the land and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

1 Kings 22:46

And from the land he exterminated the remnant of the male cult prostitutes who remained in the days of his father Asa.

2 Kings 23:7

And he broke down the houses of the male cult prostitutes who were in the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the Asherah.

Job 36:14

They die in youth, and their life ends among the cult prostitutes.

Hosea 4:14

I will not punish your daughters when they play the whore, nor your brides when they commit adultery; for the men themselves go aside with prostitutes and sacrifice with cult prostitutes, and a people without understanding shall come to ruin.

Although the Bible does not use the word cult, I did find these verses that would seem to be good to expound on.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 11:4 AV

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:8–9 AV

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:22 AV

seeking_truth_1 · January 28, 2011

God used the relationship between the prophet Hosea and his wife (a prostitute) to illustrate how the Jews had gone after foreign gods much like the cult of molokanism has done

When the LORD first began speaking to Israel through Hosea, he said to him, “Go and marry a prostitute, so that some of her children will be conceived in prostitution. This will illustrate how Israel has acted like a prostitute by turning against the LORD and worshiping other gods.” (Hosea 1:2)

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