Parable Of The King Of Spirits

fourvetta · February 6, 2010

13 I also saw under the sun this example of wisdom that greatly impressed me:

14 There was once a small city with only a few people in it. And a powerful king came against it, surrounded it and built huge siegeworks against it.

15 Now there lived in that city a man poor but wise, and he saved the city by his wisdom. But nobody remembered that poor man.

16 So I said, "Wisdom is better than strength." But the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are no longer heeded.

17 The quiet words of the wise are more to be heeded than the shouts of a ruler of fools.

18 Wisdom is better than weapons of war, but one sinner destroys much good.

The 9th New Commandment;

The Savior is Wisdom only, or the Omnipotent Word of God, which fulfills and delivers all in every place according to the will of Him who sends It. Wisdom passes eternally from soul to soul of all the sanctified world.

The Lord's Anointed shall deliver all those who are assigned to him from the terrors of the final anti christ. MGR book 2 articles 19 & 20 and book 10 article 7

seeking_truth_1 · February 6, 2010

18 And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book.

19 And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book. (Revelation 22:18-19 NLT)

fourvetta · February 6, 2010

18 And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book.
19 And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book. (Revelation 22:18-19 NLT)

11 All prophesy will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, "Please read this," he will say, "I cannot, for it is sealed."

12 Then the book will be given to the one who is illiterate, saying, "Please read this." And he will say, "I cannot read."

But to the followers of the Spirit of Truth all the secrets of God are disclosed.

February 6, 2010

18 And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book.
19 And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book. (Revelation 22:18-19 NLT)

11 All prophesy will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, "Please read this," he will say, "I cannot, for it is sealed."

12 Then the book will be given to the one who is illiterate, saying, "Please read this." And he will say, "I cannot read."

But to the followers of the Spirit of Truth all the secrets of God are disclosed.

Why is this a parable of the king of spirits?

God has told us all things ahead of time. We don't need any other kings.

February 6, 2010

How many other mis-guided messiahs can this parable be made to fit?

fourvetta · February 6, 2010

Why is this a parable of the king of spirits?

God has told us all things ahead of time. We don't need any other kings.

Have you never read the scriptures?

And Jesus said;

12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.

13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.

15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

And you proved my point, that the wise mans wisdom is not highly esteemed.

February 6, 2010

How many other mis-guided messiahs can this parable be made to fit?

More than we care to count, the false christ comes first, Christ will not return until the false christ is revealed. A. Paul corrected the Thessalonians in his second letter 6 months after his letter of 1 Thessalonians, A. Paul said, don't you remember when I was with you, I told you these things.

2 Thess 2:1-7

2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.

NIV

fourvetta · February 7, 2010

3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

The man of lawless, who is doomed for destruction, is the one who does not know that the Lord has come.

As Efim said;

"Ah, there now, you did not know when the God would come ! Thus you remain as false prophets.The Lord did not give you the power to know, hence you remain false. But to those whom the Lord gave strength and understanding, these know that the Lord has come." S & L page 692

February 7, 2010

For the sake of arguement, let's say that fv is correct. Why hasn't this "new" gospel been preached to the whole world? Where are the black molokan chrches? Where are the chinese molokan churches? Where are the latino molokan churches?

Fv, you are a student of the written word found in the s&l, open it up, and what does it say on the title page? It says,

Labors in spiritual enlightenment broadcast by them by the will of God unto all mankind

Who is all mankind? Is it anyone with a russian surname only?

February 7, 2010

Have you never read the scriptures?

And Jesus said;

12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.

13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.

15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

And you proved my point, that the wise mans wisdom is not highly esteemed.

The Holy Spirit will bring glory to Jesus, while your king brings glory only to himself.

I will now tell you all that was bestowed upon me to disclose to you about myself and my new spirit....I must blaze a new trail for you to Paradise. Spirit and Life Page 326 Introduction: .…

For my newly-wondrous narrative has never been heard anywhere on earth by anyone throughout the ages, which I reveal to you here by a new Spirit for the welfare of your entire soul and body. Spirit and Life Page 494.4

Therefore I, Maxim, am now called by His new name: King of Spirits and God of the faithful of all the land, for the new Kingdom of peace with Christ for a thousand years. Spirit and Life pg. 465-7.

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself comes with a new name, King of Spirits and God to the faithful. Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord. MGR Book 4 pov. 11: 12-24 Spirit and Life

The new name of Jesus Christ is King of Spirits and God to the faithful. (Fourvetta, Who Is Jesus Part II?, Post #5)

For I (Maxim, see pg. 497-4, your master sitting in the city of Suzdal.) I am called by this new name in heaven and on earth, today and always. For I am Ulesar, the king of Ures, the new Jewish Messiah. And the Jew and all the tribes of the nations will bow down to me. Spirit and Life page 498.7

Maxim says, "I am the Gate of Zion and the entrance to the land of the living." On January 22, 2006 fourvetta

“The final martyr, M.G. Rudometkin, as also conqueror of the imperious spirit of darkness, indicated this mystery to be coincidental with the closing of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century.” Spirit and Life Pg.748

The King of Spirits is the Gate of Zion which leads to the Door, which in turn leads to the Father...... (Spiritual Marriage Discussion, Post #50)

The Second Coming and the New Name of Jesus Christ is the King of Spirits and God to the faithful. (Faith Discussion page 3, What Is A Molokan page 2, Post #51)

“So yes. The kingdom of God came to us in the 19th century” On June 11, 2006 Faith Discussion page 4, Word Of God thread, post #3, fourvetta :

The Second Coming is Present. You missed the first boat, You will have to wait for the second one. Faith Discussion, Has Christ Already Returned, post #2

And You (referring to the Lord Jesus Christ) will place me, Your annointed one, as king for the entire thousand years, in place of You, and in the same way you will also by me reign over all of my people everywhere. Spirit and Life page 544.13

Spirit and Life pg. 476.5. For this reason each believer of the spirit of truth must quickly and before all accept him, our Maxim as the King personified.

Spirit and Life page, 695 "Oh you brothers and sisters! Please believe that this is the King of Israel, and his name is Maxim Gavrilovitch! For he is the King and leader of Israel.

Disciple · February 7, 2010

A question.

1) John 14:16-17

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Maxim gavrilivoch's writings claim him to be the spirit of truth, as you are here implying. According to his claim and the above scripture, does this mean that maxim dwells in you?

seeking_truth_1 · February 7, 2010

If mgr claims to be "King of Spirits"

and

22 You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews.

23 But the time is coming—indeed it's here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.

24 For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth." (John 4:22-24 NLT)

is mgr "king" over God?

Does that seem to be what mgr is claiming?

As stated before (and before and before) why aren't ALL molokans who attend a molokan "church" sounding EXACTLY like fourvetta since the s&l is in EVERY molokan "church" and this is what that book teaches?

February 7, 2010

is mgr "king" over God? Does that seem to be what mgr is claiming?

See Klubnikin's drawing on page 704. Maybe fv could explain?

wall · February 7, 2010

3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

The man of lawless, who is doomed for destruction, is the one who does not know that the Lord has come.

As Efim said;

"Ah, there now, you did not know when the God would come ! Thus you remain as false prophets.The Lord did not give you the power to know, hence you remain false. But to those whom the Lord gave strength and understanding, these know that the Lord has come." S & L page 692

Are you saying Maxcim was the second coming of Christ, and we need to accept him into our lives for salvation?

stevepiv · February 8, 2010

3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

The man of lawless, who is doomed for destruction, is the one who does not know that the Lord has come.

As Efim said;

"Ah, there now, you did not know when the God would come ! Thus you remain as false prophets.The Lord did not give you the power to know, hence you remain false. But to those whom the Lord gave strength and understanding, these know that the Lord has come." S & L page 692

Are you saying Maxcim was the second coming of Christ, and we need to accept him into our lives for salvation?

Fourvetta,

Answer Disciple's and Wall's question with your words. Wall asked a yes or no question. Just be up-front.

stevepiv · February 8, 2010

MGR Book 3, Article 25, Verse 4 mentions a THIRD appearance. So, without a doubt maxim does claim to be the second coming.

fourvetta · February 8, 2010

MGR Book 3, Article 25, Verse 4 mentions a THIRD appearance. So, without a doubt maxim does claim to be the second coming.

The Third appearance has already occurred.

I agree with Seeking.

You mean to tell me, that 80 year old elders sitting in church their whole life have never heard of the Gospel of the Second Coming of the Lord coming with Judgment ?

fourvetta · February 9, 2010

A question.

1) John 14:16-17

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Maxim gavrilivoch's writings claim him to be the spirit of truth, as you are here implying. According to his claim and the above scripture, does this mean that maxim dwells in you?

The Tree of Life is contained within its seed.

GoodDay · February 9, 2010

Fourvetta,

Maxcim was a man born of flesh and died.

You should be concerned about where you will spend your eternity rather than worship a dead man? Why is it so hard for you to not see what direction you are heading. People are either for God or against God. One goes to heaven and the other goes to hell.

Why do you continually post this garbage?

You never answer questions directly because you are trapped in evil.

REPENT!!!

NAD923 · February 9, 2010

MGR Book 3, Article 25, Verse 4 mentions a THIRD appearance. So, without a doubt maxim does claim to be the second coming.

Sorry Steve I disagree this has nothing to do with Maxim!

BOOK 3 ARTICLE 25

My brothers and my sisters of faithful and steadfast heart.

2. Look upon this banner and its construction, the manner it will be erected in the new city Jerusalem,

in full radiance near the new tabernacle on Mount Zion, in the court of the anointed one the king of spirits.

Praise to our God and the Lamb. Amen, Alleluia.'

3. Zion speaks, "God is my glory. He shall glorify me before all the nations with inexpressaЫe glory."'

4. His third appearance shall be with glory, that is, as а man and God.

(He is refering to Christ, 1st 2000 years ago, 2nd for judgement and 1000 year peace on earth, 3rd will become one in the new city Jerusalem)

5. Then all the people shall tell him that, there has appeared in the name of the Lord(GOD) upon the throne of glory, the King and God(Christ) of the new Israel. Amen.

6. Then for you who fear My(Christ) name, the sun of My(Christ) righteousness shall shine, and My salvation shall become firmly established like this pillar upon the mount.

7. І shall place My (Christ)settlements in the sun.' І shall encircle all the world as а hero or groom. My(Christ) path is from the edge

of heaven to the edge of the earth, and who can escape My (Christ)warmth?'

8. Then shall be the healing of My chosen, and in like manner they will fly on these wings, and then come forth and play like calves freed of their bonds.'

9. And on that day when the Lord Almighty(Christ) appears they will trample down the lawless as dust is trod underfoot, and His(Christ) name shall be glorious throughout all the earth.'

This Interpretation is Written Upon the White Steed

10. Here the white steed signifies in the final times а verbal law, that is, when God Himself gives His chosen people the new Israel some type of new commandment, meaning а fulfillment of His desires-as it shall be pleasing unto Him.

11. It may be as it was in the Paradise of Adam, or with our father Abraham in the land of Canaan.

12. And at this time peace and composure will exist among all, that is, the small and great will all be taught by God Himself.'

13. And all of them will be called by а new name, which will be after the new Jerusalem, His beloved city.'

I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. This is all about Jesus Christ, lets look through the words and see the promise!

fourvetta · February 9, 2010

Fourvetta,

Maxcim was a man born of flesh and died.

And Jesus said;

31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you,

32 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

MGR book 11 article 17

Apostle Paul said;

40 Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you:

41" 'Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days

that you would never believe, even if someone told you."

February 9, 2010

Fourvetta,

Maxcim was a man born of flesh and died.

You should be concerned about where you will spend your eternity rather than worship a dead man? Why is it so hard for you to not see what direction you are heading. People are either for God or against God. One goes to heaven and the other goes to hell.

Why do you continually post this garbage?

You never answer questions directly because you are trapped in evil.

REPENT!!!

Repent??? :135: see im scared. GoodDay, quit trying to make yourself feel so important, you're not the first one who has ever been "enlightened" about the so called "Lies" in the Spirit and Life book. Your not that special.. why dont you along with your pal stevie piv go and start your own "righteous" perfect church somewhere else and leave the innocent Molokan children alone?? But you’ll never do that, because you get to much satisfaction from "preaching" and ministering to them about this new false form of "love" :kisses: as though to "help" them.

The first birth was from sinful fleshly bones, but the second birth was from the Lord, from heavon.

Blessed is he who COMES in the name of the Lord. Hosanna Naraftan!

February 9, 2010

fourvetta never disappoints with his non-Christian beliefs and responses.

The responses show his confusion and lost soul.

stevepiv · February 10, 2010

BOOK 3 ARTICLE 25

My brothers and my sisters of faithful and steadfast heart.

2. Look upon this banner and its construction, the manner it will be erected in the new city Jerusalem,

in full radiance near the new tabernacle on Mount Zion, in the court of the anointed one the king of spirits.

Praise to our God and the Lamb. Amen, Alleluia.'

3. Zion speaks, "God is my glory. He shall glorify me before all the nations with inexpressaЫe glory."'

4. His third appearance shall be with glory, that is, as а man and God.

(He is refering to Christ, 1st 2000 years ago, 2nd for judgement and 1000 year peace on earth, 3rd will become one in the new city Jerusalem)

5. Then all the people shall tell him that, there has appeared in the name of the Lord(GOD) upon the throne of glory, the King and God(Christ) of the new Israel. Amen.

6. Then for you who fear My(Christ) name, the sun of My(Christ) righteousness shall shine, and My salvation shall become firmly established like this pillar upon the mount.

7. І shall place My (Christ)settlements in the sun.' І shall encircle all the world as а hero or groom. My(Christ) path is from the edge

of heaven to the edge of the earth, and who can escape My (Christ)warmth?'

8. Then shall be the healing of My chosen, and in like manner they will fly on these wings, and then come forth and play like calves freed of their bonds.'

9. And on that day when the Lord Almighty(Christ) appears they will trample down the lawless as dust is trod underfoot, and His(Christ) name shall be glorious throughout all the earth.'

This Interpretation is Written Upon the White Steed

10. Here the white steed signifies in the final times а verbal law, that is, when God Himself gives His chosen people the new Israel some type of new commandment, meaning а fulfillment of His desires-as it shall be pleasing unto Him.

11. It may be as it was in the Paradise of Adam, or with our father Abraham in the land of Canaan.

12. And at this time peace and composure will exist among all, that is, the small and great will all be taught by God Himself.'

13. And all of them will be called by а new name, which will be after the new Jerusalem, His beloved city.'

I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. This is all about Jesus Christ, lets look through the words and see the promise!

NAD923, Thanks for your input to this. Do feel that this is to come or has already happened?

Here is fourvetta's thoughts:

MGR Book 3, Article 25, Verse 4 mentions a THIRD appearance. So, without a doubt maxim does claim to be the second coming.

The Third appearance has already occurred.

stevepiv · February 10, 2010

Another example of fourvetta's belief in his "other gospel". Coffee and so many others by The Holy Spirit and Holy Scriptures have presented the TRUTH and shown many times over and over to all the readers out there what a true maximist "new israel" molokan like fourvetta believes in.

So then, according to fourvetta, the Rudometkinites believe that their beloved hero, mgr, is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, who has come to earth a second time, but this time with His "new name", which is supposedly "king of spirits"....

and that Rudometkin, as Christ with His new name of king of spirits, is the alleged Gate of Zion....

which leads to the Door....

who is identified in the Scriptures as the Lord Jesus Christ....

which in turn leads to God the Father....

and that Rudometkin coronated himself to be "king" over the Kingdom of God, which supposedly came to earth during the 1800s....

and that Rudometkin is the Gate through which one MUST enter, before access to Christ's kingdom is allowed.

Amen.

Now that I presented this to you and you fully comprehend it, now do you believe it? Can you enter into the kingdom of God, by faith?

GoodDay · February 10, 2010

Fourvetta,

Maxcim was a man born of flesh and died.

You should be concerned about where you will spend your eternity rather than worship a dead man? Why is it so hard for you to not see what direction you are heading. People are either for God or against God. One goes to heaven and the other goes to hell.

Why do you continually post this garbage?

You never answer questions directly because you are trapped in evil.

REPENT!!!

Repent??? see im scared. GoodDay, quit trying to make yourself feel so important, you're not the first one who has ever been "enlightened" about the so called "Lies" in the Spirit and Life book. Your not that special.. why dont you along with your pal stevie piv go and start your own "righteous" perfect church somewhere else and leave the innocent Molokan children alone?? But you’ll never do that, because you get to much satisfaction from "preaching" and ministering to them about this new false form of "love" as though to "help" them.

The first birth was from sinful fleshly bones, but the second birth was from the Lord, from heavon.

Blessed is he who COMES in the name of the Lord. Hosanna Naraftan!

There is only one perfect church and it is in NO building! No on can "start" a perfect church over and over again as that perfect church started a couple of thousand years ago.

Stevepiv and I have become close Brothers since Jesus Christ has become our Lord and Saviour. God has put us and quite a few others in places we never would have imagined to do His work and add to the kingdom. Being a Christian has no place for man made religions. The Apostles starting preaching to all four corners of the world and today we have brothers and sisters all over the world. The ONE church of Christ is a colaboration of people from throughout the world. God does not have favourites.

One thing I really have little respect for is for receiving posts like this from someone who is hiding. Therefore I see really no reason to reply back anymore than I have to you.

Paul

little koshka · February 10, 2010

Repent??? see im scared. GoodDay, quit trying to make yourself feel so important, you're not the first one who has ever been "enlightened" about the so called "Lies" in the Spirit and Life book. Your not that special.. why dont you along with your pal stevie piv go and start your own "righteous" perfect church somewhere else and leave the innocent Molokan children alone?? But you’ll never do that, because you get to much satisfaction from "preaching" and ministering to them about this new false form of "love" as though to "help" them.

The first birth was from sinful fleshly bones, but the second birth was from the Lord, from heavon.

Blessed is he who COMES in the name of the Lord. Hosanna Naraftan!

Guest_guest_* Dec 6 2006, 07:55 PM
Maxim claims he is God, Jesus, King of Spirits, Naraftan!

"Therefore I, Maxim, am now called by His new name: King of Spirits and God of the faithful of all the land, for the new Kingdom of peace with Christ for a thousand years." MGR pg. 465-7.

Naraftan is a Persian word used in song 695, We teach our children this song, giving praise to MGR. How much longer will our children be encouraged to unknowingly do this sin? Why do we go and take our children to such a place?

When singing and giving praise - in church or anywhere - WHO is it that we are supposed to be praising and singing praises to anyway?

Naraftan did not come in the name of the Lord.

I don't think that he's blessed, either.

Naraftan isn't mentioned in the Bible, or is it?

It is possible that Naraftan is mentioned, now that I think of it.

(false) teacher

(false) prophet

deceiver

thief

fourvetta · February 10, 2010

It is possible that Naraftan is mentioned, now that I think of it.

(false) teacher

(false) prophet

deceiver

thief

If you knew what the name "Naraftan" meant, you would not have that name leave so carelessly from your lips.

stevepiv · February 10, 2010

Good Post LK. It appears that the word "Нарафтан" has some connection to the Nation Tajikistan. I did a quick Google search on the word "Нарафтан" and association to that country came up.

By the way for the people reading, the song that comes to mind is # 695, has a tune that will stick with you, many people teach it to young kids, because of the innocent tune, yet the words are POISONOUS.

Песнь 695

Осанна в вышних!

Припев:

Осанна Нарафтан

Благословен Ты

Грядый во имя

Во имя Господня

Царь Духов Ты

Вождь Израиля

Нового Израиля

Во веки веков. Аминь.

Translation:

Hosanna in the Highest!

Chorus:

Hosanna "Naraftan" <---NO DEFENITION FOR THIS WORD

Blessed are You

Come in The Name

In The Name of The Lord

You King of Spirits

Israel Leader

New Israel Leader

For ages and ages. Amen.

GoodDay · February 10, 2010

Very intresting Steve!!

Very poisonous and also, Naraftan is NOT a Russian word and is sang ALL the time in Molokan Churches?

Also, such a song taught to many of the youth and it's giving glory to a MAN and not the LORD!? Why is this allowed?

Tajikistan is very intresting! I searched it a bit to and that came up. It'll be intresting to do a bit more searth on that Nation.

February 10, 2010

It is possible that Naraftan is mentioned, now that I think of it.

(false) teacher

(false) prophet

deceiver

thief

If you knew what the name "Naraftan" meant, you would not have that name leave so carelessly from your lips.

If you knew the Power in the Name Jesus Christ and who He is, you would not blaspheme Him with your heretical beliefs.

seeking_truth_1 · February 10, 2010

I also found naraftan having some connection with Persia/Iran

GoodDay · February 11, 2010

It is possible that Naraftan is mentioned, now that I think of it.

(false) teacher

(false) prophet

deceiver

thief

If you knew what the name "Naraftan" meant, you would not have that name leave so carelessly from your lips.

What does that word mean Forvetta?

February 11, 2010

It is possible that Naraftan is mentioned, now that I think of it.

(false) teacher

(false) prophet

deceiver

thief

If you knew what the name "Naraftan" meant, you would not have that name leave so carelessly from your lips.

What does that word mean Forvetta?

Throwing this into the pot, since fv seems to always come down with dry mouth when its convenient for him.

Parghnial, Assurghinal, Uzghoris, are names of other gods, as I suspect Naraftan to be because it is capitalized, am working on it too. Naraftan may be tribal colloquialism having it's roots from along the Turkish Armenian boarders. Checking with Molokan elders from that region.

Parghinal, is Par the bull god, Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology.

Assurghinal, is Assur the Assyrian chief War god, same information source.

Uzghoris, Horis is the Egyptian sun god, Uzghoris has been identified by Dr. Geller, Professor of Egyptian Hieroglyphs & Hebrew Aramaic Languages, University of London it's meaning is "my strength in Horis.

These three words are Rudometkin's holy greeting words said by Molokan folklore to be angelic language.

Ex 23:13 "Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips. NIV

KevinPolyaNazaroff · February 11, 2010

Fourvetta,

Maxcim was a man born of flesh and died.

You should be concerned about where you will spend your eternity rather than worship a dead man? Why is it so hard for you to not see what direction you are heading. People are either for God or against God. One goes to heaven and the other goes to hell.

Why do you continually post this garbage?

You never answer questions directly because you are trapped in evil.

REPENT!!!

Repent??? see im scared. GoodDay, quit trying to make yourself feel so important, you're not the first one who has ever been "enlightened" about the so called "Lies" in the Spirit and Life book. Your not that special.. why dont you along with your pal stevie piv go and start your own "righteous" perfect church somewhere else and leave the innocent Molokan children alone?? But you’ll never do that, because you get to much satisfaction from "preaching" and ministering to them about this new false form of "love" as though to "help" them.

The first birth was from sinful fleshly bones, but the second birth was from the Lord, from heavon.

Blessed is he who COMES in the name of the Lord. Hosanna Naraftan!

More fear from "somebody".

A fountain of fear...

Kevin Nazaroff

February 11, 2010

Fourvetta,

Maxcim was a man born of flesh and died.

You should be concerned about where you will spend your eternity rather than worship a dead man? Why is it so hard for you to not see what direction you are heading. People are either for God or against God. One goes to heaven and the other goes to hell.

Why do you continually post this garbage?

You never answer questions directly because you are trapped in evil.

REPENT!!!

Repent??? see im scared. GoodDay, quit trying to make yourself feel so important, you're not the first one who has ever been "enlightened" about the so called "Lies" in the Spirit and Life book. Your not that special.. why dont you along with your pal stevie piv go and start your own "righteous" perfect church somewhere else and leave the innocent Molokan children alone?? But you’ll never do that, because you get to much satisfaction from "preaching" and ministering to them about this new false form of "love" as though to "help" them.

The first birth was from sinful fleshly bones, but the second birth was from the Lord, from heavon.

Blessed is he who COMES in the name of the Lord. Hosanna Naraftan!

More fear from "somebody".

A fountain of fear...

Kevin Nazaroff

Kevin, the only fear I have is of you actually caring about what I say. Perhaps I struck a nerve??

KevinPolyaNazaroff · February 11, 2010

Fourvetta,

Maxcim was a man born of flesh and died.

You should be concerned about where you will spend your eternity rather than worship a dead man? Why is it so hard for you to not see what direction you are heading. People are either for God or against God. One goes to heaven and the other goes to hell.

Why do you continually post this garbage?

You never answer questions directly because you are trapped in evil.

REPENT!!!

Repent??? see im scared. GoodDay, quit trying to make yourself feel so important, you're not the first one who has ever been "enlightened" about the so called "Lies" in the Spirit and Life book. Your not that special.. why dont you along with your pal stevie piv go and start your own "righteous" perfect church somewhere else and leave the innocent Molokan children alone?? But you’ll never do that, because you get to much satisfaction from "preaching" and ministering to them about this new false form of "love" as though to "help" them.

The first birth was from sinful fleshly bones, but the second birth was from the Lord, from heavon.

Blessed is he who COMES in the name of the Lord. Hosanna Naraftan!

More fear from "somebody".

A fountain of fear...

Kevin Nazaroff

Kevin, the only fear I have is of you actually caring about what I say. Perhaps I struck a nerve??

I do care, but not as much as Jesus.

His love is unconditional.

And He loves you, whoever you are.

My comment was not directed toward you, but simply an observation. The majority of the Molokans are stuck in a fear based atmosphere, and you exemplified this perfectly.

GoodDay shared the goodnews of repentance with fourvetta, and you responded in fear with a face of sarcasm.

It is not fear of wrath that changes people, but love.

4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, Ro 2:4-5 NASB

Repentance is a daily process for me.

I fall short, but Jesus is always faithful to draw me back unto Himself. And I always ask Him for the hunger and desire to keep turning back toward Him, and to remain in Him.

I love Jesus, and I love repentance.

That is what every lost soul must do to get into a relationship with Jesus Christ.

And it is no different for those who put their hope and faith in Maxim.

Maxim was only a man. The point of this thread, this whole forum, is to turn away from religion, away from Maxim, and turn toward Jesus Christ.

Salvation is a relationship with Jesus.

Kevin Nazaroff

LTTBT · February 11, 2010

There is only one perfect church and it is in NO building! No on can "start" a perfect church over and over again as that perfect church started a couple of thousand years ago.

Stevepiv and I have become close Brothers since Jesus Christ has become our Lord and Saviour. God has put us and quite a few others in places we never would have imagined to do His work and add to the kingdom. Being a Christian has no place for man made religions. The Apostles starting preaching to all four corners of the world and today we have brothers and sisters all over the world. The ONE church of Christ is a colaboration of people from throughout the world. God does not have favourites.

One thing I really have little respect for is for receiving posts like this from someone who is hiding. Therefore I see really no reason to reply back anymore than I have to you.

Paul

But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. He called you to this through (HIS) gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings (GOD) passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.

stevepiv · February 11, 2010

There's no prison stronger than religious obligation.

Our Lord Jesus is there ready to break the shackles off and set you free, offer you forgiveness and the gift of Salvation through Him (Jesus).

I agree with what Kevin said:

I do care, but not as much as Jesus.
His love is unconditional.

And He loves you, whoever you are.

There's nothing any of us can do apart from Jesus to be forgiven or accepted. We are called to turn to God in repentance and have faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ.

I pray that if anyone reading this is unsure of their salvation, or is trusting in their own works, that you accept the invitation from Our Lord Jesus Christ:

Matthew 11:

28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

and....

John 12:

25The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.

fourvetta · February 12, 2010

33"Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey.

34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35"The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third.

36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way.

37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. 'They will respect my son,' he said.

38"But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him and take his inheritance.'

39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40"Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?"

The reward for those who are disobedient to the King Of Spirits.

MGR Book 14 article 8

fourvetta · February 12, 2010

GoodDay shared the goodnews of repentance with fourvetta, and you responded in fear with a face of sarcasm.

It is not fear of wrath that changes people, but love.

4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, Ro 2:4-5 NASB

Repentance is a daily process for me.

I fall short, but Jesus is always faithful to draw me back unto Himself. And I always ask Him for the hunger and desire to keep turning back toward Him, and to remain in Him.

I love Jesus, and I love repentance.

That is what every lost soul must do to get into a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Paramount to Blasphemy according to Apostle Paul in Hebrews 6.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,

5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Pollo del Mar · February 12, 2010

It is possible that Naraftan is mentioned, now that I think of it.

(false) teacher

(false) prophet

deceiver

thief

If you knew what the name "Naraftan" meant, you would not have that name leave so carelessly from your lips.

What does that word mean Forvetta?

Throwing this into the pot, since fv seems to always come down with dry mouth when its convenient for him.

Parghnial, Assurghinal, Uzghoris, are names of other gods, as I suspect Naraftan to be because it is capitalized, am working on it too. Naraftan may be tribal colloquialism having it's roots from along the Turkish Armenian boarders. Checking with Molokan elders from that region.

Parghinal, is Par the bull god, Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology.

Assurghinal, is Assur the Assyrian chief War god, same information source.

Uzghoris, Horis is the Egyptian sun god, Uzghoris has been identified by Dr. Geller, Professor of Egyptian Hieroglyphs & Hebrew Aramaic Languages, University of London it's meaning is "my strength in Horis.

These three words are Rudometkin's holy greeting words said by Molokan folklore to be angelic language.

Ex 23:13 "Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips. NIV

Can this greeting be found as written anywhere in the duh i zhizn and is it possibly linked with naraftan? How can we find more information on this?

NAD923 · February 12, 2010

BOOK 3 ARTICLE 25

My brothers and my sisters of faithful and steadfast heart.

2. Look upon this banner and its construction, the manner it will be erected in the new city Jerusalem,

in full radiance near the new tabernacle on Mount Zion, in the court of the anointed one the king of spirits.

Praise to our God and the Lamb. Amen, Alleluia.'

3. Zion speaks, "God is my glory. He shall glorify me before all the nations with inexpressaЫe glory."'

4. His third appearance shall be with glory, that is, as а man and God.

(He is referring to Christ, 1st 2000 years ago, 2nd for judgement and 1000 year peace on earth, 3rd will become one in the new city Jerusalem)

5. Then all the people shall tell him that, there has appeared in the name of the Lord(GOD) upon the throne of glory, the King and God(Christ) of the new Israel. Amen.

6. Then for you who fear My(Christ) name, the sun of My(Christ) righteousness shall shine, and My salvation shall become firmly established like this pillar upon the mount.

7. І shall place My (Christ)settlements in the sun.' І shall encircle all the world as а hero or groom. My(Christ) path is from the edge

of heaven to the edge of the earth, and who can escape My (Christ)warmth?'

8. Then shall be the healing of My chosen, and in like manner they will fly on these wings, and then come forth and play like calves freed of their bonds.'

9. And on that day when the Lord Almighty(Christ) appears they will trample down the lawless as dust is trod underfoot, and His(Christ) name shall be glorious throughout all the earth.'

This Interpretation is Written Upon the White Steed

10. Here the white steed signifies in the final times а verbal law, that is, when God Himself gives His chosen people the new Israel some type of new commandment, meaning а fulfillment of His desires-as it shall be pleasing unto Him.

11. It may be as it was in the Paradise of Adam, or with our father Abraham in the land of Canaan.

12. And at this time peace and composure will exist among all, that is, the small and great will all be taught by God Himself.'

13. And all of them will be called by а new name, which will be after the new Jerusalem, His beloved city.'

I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. This is all about Jesus Christ, lets look through the words and see the promise!

NAD923, Thanks for your input to this. Do feel that this is to come or has already happened?

Here is fourvetta's thoughts:

MGR Book 3, Article 25, Verse 4 mentions a THIRD appearance. So, without a doubt maxim does claim to be the second coming.

The Third appearance has already occurred.

Steve I know where FV is coming from, but I think he is taking it a bit to high to get you guys to understand

It's all about building the kingdom with in and out. If you look at it that way, yes the kingdom has already started,

in everyone that is reborn (spiritual birth), sees/feels and wants the promise of everlasting life (if not why are we wasting our time?)

Lets look beyond who Jesus was/is, who Maxim was/is Paul writes to Timothy-

"Don't waste your time arguing over genealogies for it takes you away from Gods work.......GOD IS YOUR SAVOUR!"

MGR 7-8

Like God entered Moses physical "xrahm"/temple, we must build this paradise not only with in us but also around us.

People will want to see this and be a part of it. That is what Maxim is telling us to do.

"Verse 41 Just as in the past by Your Word, Moses visibly placed the rod of Aaron in it as an assurance and a sign to all the restive sons of Israel."

That visible assurance is needed by physical man, even though he has been reborn spiritually, he needs that physical promise.

"42. Build among us today invisibly Lord, a new, holy, uncontrived spiritual temple in Your name alone,

where Your all-praiseworthy dominion may be glorified for all the ages by us, all of Your chosen people,"

Then when we have built that kingdom/domain, and it is clean and unblemished, then we can ask God to come and build(through/by the Spirit of Truth) His temple with in us.

When I was in Oregon in 2004, for *********offs "osvishenia" There was a "deystvia"

Through *******was told to ******and***** that everybody that has come today has come

with things to help build your home (kingdom/paradise/domain)

Then he described different things bricks, wood, hammer, nails etc.(physical things)

That they must accept each thing and choose what and where to place them, to make their home strong.

Then he said beware some will come not to build but to destroy.

There was a opening but I can't remember where, "...a house that's not built by the hand of man.." Was the line I remembered.

One person builds his home differently from his neighbour, and can't say yours has to be exactly like mine.

It's your home you build it like you see fit, what ever suits your life style.

We have the same architect but different plans.

stevepiv · February 12, 2010

BOOK 3 ARTICLE 25

My brothers and my sisters of faithful and steadfast heart.

2. Look upon this banner and its construction, the manner it will be erected in the new city Jerusalem,

in full radiance near the new tabernacle on Mount Zion, in the court of the anointed one the king of spirits.

Praise to our God and the Lamb. Amen, Alleluia.'

3. Zion speaks, "God is my glory. He shall glorify me before all the nations with inexpressaЫe glory."'

4. His third appearance shall be with glory, that is, as а man and God.

(He is referring to Christ, 1st 2000 years ago, 2nd for judgement and 1000 year peace on earth, 3rd will become one in the new city Jerusalem)

5. Then all the people shall tell him that, there has appeared in the name of the Lord(GOD) upon the throne of glory, the King and God(Christ) of the new Israel. Amen.

6. Then for you who fear My(Christ) name, the sun of My(Christ) righteousness shall shine, and My salvation shall become firmly established like this pillar upon the mount.

7. І shall place My (Christ)settlements in the sun.' І shall encircle all the world as а hero or groom. My(Christ) path is from the edge

of heaven to the edge of the earth, and who can escape My (Christ)warmth?'

8. Then shall be the healing of My chosen, and in like manner they will fly on these wings, and then come forth and play like calves freed of their bonds.'

9. And on that day when the Lord Almighty(Christ) appears they will trample down the lawless as dust is trod underfoot, and His(Christ) name shall be glorious throughout all the earth.'

This Interpretation is Written Upon the White Steed

10. Here the white steed signifies in the final times а verbal law, that is, when God Himself gives His chosen people the new Israel some type of new commandment, meaning а fulfillment of His desires-as it shall be pleasing unto Him.

11. It may be as it was in the Paradise of Adam, or with our father Abraham in the land of Canaan.

12. And at this time peace and composure will exist among all, that is, the small and great will all be taught by God Himself.'

13. And all of them will be called by а new name, which will be after the new Jerusalem, His beloved city.'

I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. This is all about Jesus Christ, lets look through the words and see the promise!

NAD923, Thanks for your input to this. Do feel that this is to come or has already happened?

Here is fourvetta's thoughts:

MGR Book 3, Article 25, Verse 4 mentions a THIRD appearance. So, without a doubt maxim does claim to be the second coming.

The Third appearance has already occurred.

Steve I know where FV is coming from, but I think he is taking it a bit to high to get you guys to understand

It's all about building the kingdom with in and out. If you look at it that way, yes the kingdom has already started,

in everyone that is reborn (spiritual birth), sees/feels and wants the promise of everlasting life (if not why are we wasting our time?)

Lets look beyond who Jesus was/is, who Maxim was/is Paul writes to Timothy-

"Don't waste your time arguing over genealogies for it takes you away from Gods work.......GOD IS YOUR SAVOUR!"

MGR 7-8

Like God entered Moses physical "xrahm"/temple, we must build this paradise not only with in us but also around us.

People will want to see this and be a part of it. That is what Maxim is telling us to do.

"Verse 41 Just as in the past by Your Word, Moses visibly placed the rod of Aaron in it as an assurance and a sign to all the restive sons of Israel."

That visible assurance is needed by physical man, even though he has been reborn spiritually, he needs that physical promise.

"42. Build among us today invisibly Lord, a new, holy, uncontrived spiritual temple in Your name alone,

where Your all-praiseworthy dominion may be glorified for all the ages by us, all of Your chosen people,"

Then when we have built that kingdom/domain, and it is clean and unblemished, then we can ask God to come and build(through/by the Spirit of Truth) His temple with in us.

When I was in Oregon in 2004, for *********offs "osvishenia" There was a "deystvia"

Through *******was told to ******and***** that everybody that has come today has come

with things to help build your home (kingdom/paradise/domain)

Then he described different things bricks, wood, hammer, nails etc.(physical things)

That they must accept each thing and choose what and where to place them, to make their home strong.

Then he said beware some will come not to build but to destroy.

There was a opening but I can't remember where, "...a house that's not built by the hand of man.." Was the line I remembered.

One person builds his home differently from his neighbour, and can't say yours has to be exactly like mine.

It's your home you build it like you see fit, what ever suits your life style.

We have the same architect but different plans.

Thanks for the reply NAD, I see where you are coming from, but to be honest, you and fourvetta aren't speaking the same thing.

Do you believe like fourvetta that Christ's second coming already occurred with Maxim?

He has made statements that it's already occurred, Molokans are waiting for a day that has already happened in the 19th century...

stevepiv · February 12, 2010

Steve I know where FV is coming from, but I think he is taking it a bit to high to get you guys to understand

NAD,

There comes a time in each of our lives that a person realizes the Truth found in the Holy Bible and to those that want to Mystify everything like fourvetta does. He cannot and will not give a straight answer or statement of faith.

I respect your replies, they have been very cordial, I don't agree with everything you say, but I respect you as a person searching, seeking, and asking God for answers.

Let's not look at fourvetta as someone who has a higher level of understanding because he quotes the Spirit & Life.

NAD, don't fall into that trap. Those men are charismatic, but are not based on truth.

When you posted the Povest from book 3 I quoted, do you realize you a human being had to add Christ to what maxim originally wrote.

You, had to clarify that Maxim was talking about Christ and not himself.

When, these writings supposedly were written by the Holy Spirit.

Maxim meant what he wrote. He wanted to be recognized, he wanted to be a king, he wanted to be a savior, he wanted songs sung about him, he wanted titles, wanted people to bow down at his feet, wanted to kill those who disagreed with him, wanted to place eternal judgement on those disagreeing with him.

Read for yourself without trying to justify Maxims writings and you will see, that Maxim wanted to be worshipped.

Take care NAD have a nice day.

GoodDay · February 12, 2010

I do want to add one bit of a personal comment to what Steve is saying above.

I know Nad and he is a very nice, polite and cordial person as you said. I too want to bring out that fourvetta and him are two complete separate type of people and should not be compared.

Fourvetta twists the truth to deceive others and is extremely cunning. He only seeks out bits of scripture to use in a way to give the appearance that he is on the side of the True God.

Nad does search out Scripture and is being very open and personable on here. He shows the desire to get to know the real God and become closer to Him. God loves this type of communication.

God allows the devil to work through some people such as Forvetta so others can see the Truth more clearer when it is side by side with the stuff that Forevetta writes.

Have a great blessed day Nad!

Paul

seeking_truth_1 · February 12, 2010

What comes to me is "fair minded"

10 ¶ That very night the believers sent Paul and Silas to Berea. When they arrived there, they went to the Jewish synagogue.

11 And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul’s message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth.

12 As a result, many Jews believed, as did many of the prominent Greek women and men.

13 But when some Jews in Thessalonica learned that Paul was preaching the word of God in Berea, they went there and stirred up trouble.

14 The believers acted at once, sending Paul on to the coast, while Silas and Timothy remained behind.

15 Those escorting Paul went with him all the way to Athens; then they returned to Berea with instructions for Silas and Timothy to hurry and join him. (Acts 17:10-15)

As opposed to repeating what you have been indoctrinated into, you listen and then search the Scriptures to see if what is being said is true

People like fourvetta are warped and seem incapable of hearing the Truth

10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,

11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned. (Titus 3:10-11)

Nad

Listen to what Paul and Steve have to say and then look it up in the Bible

You will find what they say DOES line up with Scripture

Contrast that with many "elders" within molokanism

You'll invariably find their "we're the new isreal" or "we're the only true church" or "everyone else is part of the ecumenical 666 melting pot church" mantra has NO BASIS in Scripture and should be REJECTED wholly

Do well today....Or should I say tomorrow (time difference and all)

NAD923 · February 13, 2010

Thanks for all the kind words, ("..give praise when needed, and chastise as appropriate but with wisdom.." a quote I read some where)

May God help us all understand each other!

I know where FV is coming from because I learned from the same ELDERS.

I may not be as spiritually wise, as you say, but don't shun from any of it!

I believe in Spirit of prophecy, and through that we have a full(er) understanding.

It was through the Spirit that S&L was put on the prestol, who am I to try to change that?

My father told me "If you don't accept/understand the workings of the Spirit, better to keep quite and ask God to open it to you,

if it pertains to you, ask the prophet for confirmation, better in doubt than complete dismissal"

There are lots of stories out there about people that have not listened and have listened, and you can judge the outcome yourself!

I think I have explained myself about the "time of the Kingdom"

If you know about and are preparing your life, (reborn, getting to know God, building a strong foundation, cleaning your soul, etc.)

for the kingdom/everlasting life (isn't that all religions final goal) then you are living in it now, as our predki did. MGR was the beginning of that understanding. Agree or disagree it is your choice but you can say that was the (spiritual) 2nd coming of Christ. When the true Christ was

again revealed to the world. (after 1666 years of oppression (I held the 6 to long but that looks good so I'll leave it)

That's my understanding from what I've read.

We all make choices in life, I pray we have make the correct ones!

stevepiv · February 13, 2010

It is possible that Naraftan is mentioned, now that I think of it.

(false) teacher

(false) prophet

deceiver

thief

If you knew what the name "Naraftan" meant, you would not have that name leave so carelessly from your lips.

What does that word mean Forvetta?

Throwing this into the pot, since fv seems to always come down with dry mouth when its convenient for him.

Parghnial, Assurghinal, Uzghoris, are names of other gods, as I suspect Naraftan to be because it is capitalized, am working on it too. Naraftan may be tribal colloquialism having it's roots from along the Turkish Armenian boarders. Checking with Molokan elders from that region.

Parghinal, is Par the bull god, Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology.

Assurghinal, is Assur the Assyrian chief War god, same information source.

Uzghoris, Horis is the Egyptian sun god, Uzghoris has been identified by Dr. Geller, Professor of Egyptian Hieroglyphs & Hebrew Aramaic Languages, University of London it's meaning is "my strength in Horis.

These three words are Rudometkin's holy greeting words said by Molokan folklore to be angelic language.

Ex 23:13 "Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips. NIV

Can this greeting be found as written anywhere in the duh i zhizn and is it possibly linked with naraftan? How can we find more information on this?

Hi Pollo Del Mar!

The greeting is written on page 710 in the S&L.

seeking_truth_1 · February 13, 2010

I know where FV is coming from because I learned from the same ELDERS.
I may not be as spiritually wise, as you say, but don't shun from any of it!

15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.

17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,

18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:15

The reason you don't shun the idle babblings is because you do not know better

I believe in Spirit of prophecy, and through that we have a full(er) understanding.
It was through the Spirit that S&L was put on the prestol, who am I to try to change that?

If you came to church next Sunday and there was a book of mormon on the table, you wouldn't question it?

If not, why not?

My father told me "If you don't accept/understand the workings of the Spirit, better to keep quite and ask God to open it to you,
if it pertains to you, ask the prophet for confirmation, better in doubt than complete dismissal"

There are lots of stories out there about people that have not listened and have listened, and you can judge the outcome yourself!

6 ¶ If you explain these things to the brothers and sisters, Timothy, you will be a worthy servant of Christ Jesus, one who is nourished by the message of faith and the good teaching you have followed.

7 Do not waste time arguing over godless ideas and old wives' tales. Instead, train yourself to be godly.

8 "Physical training is good, but training for godliness is much better, promising benefits in this life and in the life to come."

9 This is a trustworthy saying, and everyone should accept it.

10 This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.

11 Teach these things and insist that everyone learn them.

12 Don't let anyone think less of you because you are young. Be an example to all believers in what you say, in the way you live, in your love, your faith, and your purity.

13 Until I get there, focus on reading the Scriptures to the church, encouraging the believers, and teaching them.

14 Do not neglect the spiritual gift you received through the prophecy spoken over you when the elders of the church laid their hands on you.

15 Give your complete attention to these matters. Throw yourself into your tasks so that everyone will see your progress.

16 Keep a close watch on how you live and on your teaching. Stay true to what is right for the sake of your own salvation and the salvation of those who hear you. (1 Timothy 4:6-16 )

It says to read the SCRIPTURES and NOT anything else

Lots of stories...? Perhaps fables or wives tales... Were you there to be a first had witness to these stories

I think I have explained myself about the "time of the Kingdom"
If you know about and are preparing your life, (reborn, getting to know God, building a strong foundation, cleaning your soul, etc.)

for the kingdom/everlasting life (isn't that all religions final goal) then you are living in it now, as our predki did. MGR was the beginning of that understanding. Agree or disagree it is your choice but you can say that was the (spiritual) 2nd coming of Christ. When the true Christ was

again revealed to the world. (after 1666 years of oppression (I held the 6 to long but that looks good so I'll leave it)

That's my understanding from what I've read.

The time of the "kingdom" is supposed to be NOW according to mgr

How can someone, allegedly writing under influence of the Holy Spirit of God, miss this one...?

Pg. 494 Bk. 10 Art. 5 Ver. 5-7

For truly I [M.G.R.] lie not, but speak all of this according to the Spirit. Concerning this ecumenical spirit of the people shouts in agreement with me in every place. "Gracious is the passing nineteenth century!" During it the Lord God Almighty will Himself before our eyes execute His judgement upon the harlot and the beast who bears her. Then He will establish for us upon the land that which Adam and Eve once had in Paradise,

I don't see a paradise on Earth as it was in the time of Adam and Eve

Women still experience pain in birth

Men sweat when toiling at work

Seems to me it's not Paradise

"16 To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire [shall be] for your husband, And he shall rule over you."

17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': "Cursed [is] the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat [of] it All the days of your life.

18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field.

19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you [are], And to dust you shall return."" (Genesis 3:16-19 NKJV)

Well...? Where is it?

The "true christ" was revealed "again"?

What happened to the "other" Christ?

mgr looked to place himself AS that "true christ"

That IS the khylst doctrine of multiple "christs"

If you are asserting that mgr wrote under direction the Holy Spirit of God (YHVH) then why would his writings contain things that are contrary to Gods Word (the Bible)?

How can God contradict Himself?

"Every word of God [is] pure; He [is] a shield to those who put their trust in Him." (Proverbs 30:5 NKJV)

Yet mgr would write this about himself

The Holy Spirit is not a man but Spirit, so how can the Holy Spirit be a man born on the Earth claiming to be the "New Jewish Messiah"

Pg. 526 Bk. 10 Art. 31 Ver. 1

The writer of this message is a man, by birth a resident of this world, named Ulesar, the King Ures, the new Jewish Messiah. [Christ]

Why would anyone sing worship songs to someone claiming to be "Christ" when there's only One

Pg. 585 Bk. 13 Art. 12 Ver. 6

And they sang a song. "Hosanna unto the highest; blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, the King of Spirits --the leader of the new Israel--Hosanna Naraftan [M.G.R.]."

There's only ONE Prince of Peace, yet mgr would seem to take that title for himself

pg. 580 Bk. 13 Art. 6 Ver. 1-2

Thus I [M.G.R.] am called by a new name, which I have written here in the lines for you by the testimony of the true Spirit.

The first name is Enfayil--from God. The second is Savakhan--King of the promise. The third is Ulia-Yar--the Prince of Peace, father of the age hereafter.

Yet the Bible has assigned that title to another

"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isaish 9:6 NKJV)

You certainly cannot assert Isaiah is speaking about mgr, are you?

You need to reconcile these discrepancies

Thanks for all the kind words, ("..give praise when needed, and chastise as appropriate but with wisdom.." a quote I read some where)
May God help us all understand each other!

I know where FV is coming from because I learned from the same ELDERS.

I may not be as spiritually wise, as you say, but don't shun from any of it!

I believe in Spirit of prophecy, and through that we have a full(er) understanding.

It was through the Spirit that S&L was put on the prestol, who am I to try to change that?

My father told me "If you don't accept/understand the workings of the Spirit, better to keep quite and ask God to open it to you,

if it pertains to you, ask the prophet for confirmation, better in doubt than complete dismissal"

There are lots of stories out there about people that have not listened and have listened, and you can judge the outcome yourself!

I think I have explained myself about the "time of the Kingdom"

If you know about and are preparing your life, (reborn, getting to know God, building a strong foundation, cleaning your soul, etc.)

for the kingdom/everlasting life (isn't that all religions final goal) then you are living in it now, as our predki did. MGR was the beginning of that understanding. Agree or disagree it is your choice but you can say that was the (spiritual) 2nd coming of Christ. When the true Christ was

again revealed to the world. (after 1666 years of oppression (I held the 6 to long but that looks good so I'll leave it)

That's my understanding from what I've read.

We all make choices in life, I pray we have make the correct ones!

stevepiv · February 13, 2010

I think I have explained myself about the "time of the Kingdom"
If you know about and are preparing your life, (reborn, getting to know God, building a strong foundation, cleaning your soul, etc.)

for the kingdom/everlasting life (isn't that all religions final goal)

Jesus Christ did NOT come to form a religion, but rather Reconcile Us back to the Father. Jesus Christ is the ONLY reason we have access to the Father.

Religion is man's way of trying to please God. You follow the rules of the group, they have elders that know the religion BUT NOT RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST.

Colossians 1: 21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

"Continue in Faith" does not mean remain a Molokan, Baptist, Lutheran...it is the HOPE THAT IS IN THE GOSPEL!

Molokanism is not a Faith.

MGR was the beginning of that understanding.
We all make choices in life, I pray we have make the correct ones!

You can claim MGR was the beginning of that understanding (which he Maxim IS NOT!!!)

I prefer to give PRAISE AND HONOR AND GLORY TO THE SON OF GOD!!!

Revelation 5:12 In a loud voice they sang:

"Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,

to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength

and honor and glory and praise!"

13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing:

"To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!" 14 The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped.

NAD, It was you who quoted in the Dogma thread:

Christ himself said "I did not come to unite but to seperate..."
Are we trying gather something that has been scatered?

Or seperate something that has been gathered?

Is our interpertation of the scriptures so tight that we can say that we know better than God(just common sence)

In Rev. the antichrist will gather into one faith. What's that faith going to be?

Christian of course, other wise he would be call antigod, antihebrew, antiallah ect.

Are you going to be part of it? He's going to say "We believe in the true God ect. We beleive in the biblical Christ, same as you, why can't

we be of the same faith?" and they'll have more bible refreces and points than you can imagine.

I'm going to post all of the 1803 molokan dogma, some intresting reading.

These are all bible based.

Maxim said in S&L pg. 465 "I Maxim became a true son of God in His Spirit Eternally, and a new heir of all the world, the originator of all the new Israel, just as Semeon Matveivich of all the Molokans."

Maxim himself makes a separation between the Molokans and his new sect "new Israel", which isn't NEW at all. Do a search and many "false messiahs" have claimed this title.

We all make choices in life, I pray we have make the correct ones!

There's only 1 Correct Choice, Jesus Christ the Son of God the Lord and Savior.

1st John 5:11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

...

20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

stevepiv · February 14, 2010

It is possible that Naraftan is mentioned, now that I think of it.

(false) teacher

(false) prophet

deceiver

thief

If you knew what the name "Naraftan" meant, you would not have that name leave so carelessly from your lips.

What does that word mean Forvetta?

Throwing this into the pot, since fv seems to always come down with dry mouth when its convenient for him.

Parghnial, Assurghinal, Uzghoris, are names of other gods, as I suspect Naraftan to be because it is capitalized, am working on it too. Naraftan may be tribal colloquialism having it's roots from along the Turkish Armenian boarders. Checking with Molokan elders from that region.

Parghinal, is Par the bull god, Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology.

Assurghinal, is Assur the Assyrian chief War god, same information source.

Uzghoris, Horis is the Egyptian sun god, Uzghoris has been identified by Dr. Geller, Professor of Egyptian Hieroglyphs & Hebrew Aramaic Languages, University of London it's meaning is "my strength in Horis.

These three words are Rudometkin's holy greeting words said by Molokan folklore to be angelic language.

Ex 23:13 "Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips. NIV

Can this greeting be found as written anywhere in the duh i zhizn and is it possibly linked with naraftan? How can we find more information on this?

Hi Pollo Del Mar!

The greeting is written on page 710 in the S&L.

There is also mention on Page 485, Book 9 Article 33 Verse 1

and

Page 537, Book 11 Article 9 verses 7 & 9

In 11th book Maxim says his God is Naraftan.

February 15, 2010

Stevepiv, you are against the S & L, why do you "skazvits" from it.

stevepiv · February 15, 2010

Stevepiv, you are against the S & L, why do you "skazvits" from it.

I haven't for almost a year. I was still trying to hold on and please man, soI would skazvits from it. I was battling with the pride I got from being a skazatel. I got praise from men, got placed in the front row, picked on all the "prime time" spots, I was determined to learn more and learn faster than everyone else, I did do that...

But it was for NOTHING.

Because "I" became the focus, and not my Lord Jesus Christ.

As John the Baptist said: " I must decrease and He (Jesus) must increase."

stevepiv · February 15, 2010

Stevepiv, you are against the S & L, why do you "skazvits" from it.

I haven't for almost a year. I was still trying to hold on and please man, soI would skazvits from it. I was battling with the pride I got from being a skazatel. I got praise from men, got placed in the front row, picked on all the "prime time" spots, I was determined to learn more and learn faster than everyone else, I did do that...

But it was for NOTHING.

Because "I" became the focus, and not my Lord Jesus Christ.

As John the Baptist said: " I must decrease and He (Jesus) must increase."

I correct myself, it was a few months back I did.

I have a issue with trying not make waves or dissapoint people, or get people angry with me.

I have been praying for the Lord to give me the confidence and no matter what the cost is, stand up for Truth. He has been helping me and giving me the strength to go forward and not go backwards.

It's not as easy as some people think.

That is why I can have compassion for people having a difficult time dropping something that has been "brainwashed" into each of us.

It's hard to let go.

But, you won't be by yourself if you are with the Lord Jesus Christ.

I repented of falling back and giving any credability to the S&L.

There are some good words in there (S&L), don't get me wrong. Then when the people start jumping, and being so fervent in their worship, then you realize it was a song or ctishok from the S&L.

That's why it's easy to not take what Seeeking Truth, Coffee, Anonymous, Anakainosis...and others have brought up. But, that's why they bring it up, and that's why I bring it up, because many people don't know, or don't read for themself.

What frightened me was the thought of another person seeing me "skazvits" from that book and give it any credibility. Then, God forbid that person would get sucked into it.

Because, it's easy to get sucked into the game of religion, pleasing man, my own pride was/is still today a problem. I ask the Lord to keep me humble.

We all have are struggles, I pray that we turn to Jesus Christ and trust in Him.

The past Year and a half has broughten me into a relationship with Jesus Christ.

And, I Praise Him and Thank Him for His Grace, Mercy and Patience with me.

LTTBT · February 15, 2010

Stevepiv, you are against the S & L, why do you "skazvits" from it.

I haven't for almost a year. I was still trying to hold on and please man, soI would skazvits from it. I was battling with the pride I got from being a skazatel. I got praise from men, got placed in the front row, picked on all the "prime time" spots, I was determined to learn more and learn faster than everyone else, I did do that...

But it was for NOTHING.

Because "I" became the focus, and not my Lord Jesus Christ.

As John the Baptist said: " I must decrease and He (Jesus) must increase."

I correct myself, it was a few months back I did.

I have a issue with trying not make waves or dissapoint people, or get people angry with me.

I have been praying for the Lord to give me the confidence and no matter what the cost is, stand up for Truth. He has been helping me and giving me the strength to go forward and not go backwards.

It's not as easy as some people think.

That is why I can have compassion for people having a difficult time dropping something that has been "brainwashed" into each of us.

It's hard to let go.

But, you won't be by yourself if you are with the Lord Jesus Christ.

I repented of falling back and giving any credability to the S&L.

There are some good words in there (S&L), don't get me wrong. Then when the people start jumping, and being so fervent in their worship, then you realize it was a song or ctishok from the S&L.

That's why it's easy to not take what Seeeking Truth, Coffee, Anonymous, Anakainosis...and others have brought up. But, that's why they bring it up, and that's why I bring it up, because many people don't know, or don't read for themself.

What frightened me was the thought of another person seeing me "skazvits" from that book and give it any credibility. Then, God forbid that person would get sucked into it.

Because, it's easy to get sucked into the game of religion, pleasing man, my own pride was/is still today a problem. I ask the Lord to keep me humble.

We all have are struggles, I pray that we turn to Jesus Christ and trust in Him.

The past Year and a half has broughten me into a relationship with Jesus Christ.

And, I Praise Him and Thank Him for His Grace, Mercy and Patience with me.

I did have concerns when I saw you read from that book, but it did get me to pray for you.......

stevepiv · February 15, 2010

Stevepiv, you are against the S & L, why do you "skazvits" from it.

I haven't for almost a year. I was still trying to hold on and please man, soI would skazvits from it. I was battling with the pride I got from being a skazatel. I got praise from men, got placed in the front row, picked on all the "prime time" spots, I was determined to learn more and learn faster than everyone else, I did do that...

But it was for NOTHING.

Because "I" became the focus, and not my Lord Jesus Christ.

As John the Baptist said: " I must decrease and He (Jesus) must increase."

I correct myself, it was a few months back I did.

I have a issue with trying not make waves or dissapoint people, or get people angry with me.

I have been praying for the Lord to give me the confidence and no matter what the cost is, stand up for Truth. He has been helping me and giving me the strength to go forward and not go backwards.

It's not as easy as some people think.

That is why I can have compassion for people having a difficult time dropping something that has been "brainwashed" into each of us.

It's hard to let go.

But, you won't be by yourself if you are with the Lord Jesus Christ.

I repented of falling back and giving any credability to the S&L.

There are some good words in there (S&L), don't get me wrong. Then when the people start jumping, and being so fervent in their worship, then you realize it was a song or ctishok from the S&L.

That's why it's easy to not take what Seeeking Truth, Coffee, Anonymous, Anakainosis...and others have brought up. But, that's why they bring it up, and that's why I bring it up, because many people don't know, or don't read for themself.

What frightened me was the thought of another person seeing me "skazvits" from that book and give it any credibility. Then, God forbid that person would get sucked into it.

Because, it's easy to get sucked into the game of religion, pleasing man, my own pride was/is still today a problem. I ask the Lord to keep me humble.

We all have are struggles, I pray that we turn to Jesus Christ and trust in Him.

The past Year and a half has broughten me into a relationship with Jesus Christ.

And, I Praise Him and Thank Him for His Grace, Mercy and Patience with me.

I did have concerns when I saw you read from that book, but it did get me to pray for you.......

Thanks for the prayers LTTBT.

I know the Lord has taken the desire for me to compromise my belief on that book.

As a dear sister in the Lord shared this with me:

"Anyone with just a slight familiarity with scripture and a desire to know truth could easily be taken in and led astray by this. There's just enough truth to make it look like a credible writing, but plenty of poison to lead to destruction."

I thank her for those words of wisdom and truth.

GoodDay · February 15, 2010

It was a blessing in disguise Steve.

When you were "pleasing" the church learning the contents of the spirit and life and what it's about, now that Jesus Christ is your Life, when someone questions you about that book, you are able to bring out stuff they themselves aren't even aware of, or they are but love the words of man, rather than the Word of God.

God Bless Brother!

Paul

stevepiv · February 15, 2010

It was a blessing in disguise Steve.

When you were "pleasing" the church learning the contents of the spirit and life and what it's about, now that Jesus Christ is your Life, when someone questions you about that book, you are able to bring out stuff they themselves aren't even aware of, or they are but love the words of man, rather than the Word of God.

God Bless Brother!

Paul

Thank you brother.

I Steve Piv was holding onto it, trying to justify so I can keep status around the brotherhood.

I deny myself and am a bondservant slave to my Lord Jesus Christ.

fourvetta · February 15, 2010

And Jesus said;

“No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”

The Kingdom of God is made up of those who are steadfast in the Spirit of Prophesy. MGR Book 14 article 9 4-6

26 And He said, “The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed on the ground,

27 and should sleep by night and rise by day, and the seed should sprout and grow, he himself does not know how.

28 For the earth yields crops by itself: first the blade, then the head, after that the full grain in the head.

29 But when the grain ripens, immediately he puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come.”

But those who do not sow shall not reap.

LTTBT · February 15, 2010

And Jesus said;

“No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”

The Kingdom of God is made up of those who are steadfast in the Spirit of Prophesy. MGR Book 14 article 9 4-6

26 And He said, “The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed on the ground,

27 and should sleep by night and rise by day, and the seed should sprout and grow, he himself does not know how.

28 For the earth yields crops by itself: first the blade, then the head, after that the full grain in the head.

29 But when the grain ripens, immediately he puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come.”

But those who do not sow shall not reap.

There you go stickin MGR in the middle of what Jesus said.................so wrong in so many ways.

Where did Jesus say there is a "Spirit of Prophesy"?

GoodDay · February 15, 2010

NAD,

Somewhere recently on here you said that you and fourvetta learned from the same "Elders." The Holy Spirit is the teacher and not man, as man will always let us down. Don't just assume whatever an "elder" says is true. That's dangerous. A wise, elder will tell you to not take his word for what he is saying, but to search it out for oneself.

These "elders" you speak of are nice people, but extremely charismatic and have earthly talents such as great singing voices, can memorize man-made prayers by the dozens. They can speak Russian and do all the things that look good to the eye. One must look past that stuff and look at their "fruits." These men's Patriarch (I'll just call him B.P.) is their intercessor between man and macxim and that is it(That's even another big problem). That belief system does not point towards God. It points back at the person doing the pointing. B.P has a history of taking families all over the world (Not Paxod-Just taking) and brainwashing them and then bailing to get now converts. Something always causes his groups to split up (Obviously it's not built on Jesus Christ as being the Cornerstone). He (B.P.) wrote a book twice as bad as the spirit and life and they couldn't even give them away. This man wanted to be a new maxcim, ar at least thats how people treated him. His voice is beautiful many say. BUT, where is this man? Where are his fruits? Why has he always been so unsuccessful? There are people stuck out there that are clueless in what they believe because B.P. brainwashed them. When kids get stung by his poisonous venom (his teachings), they remain confused for a life time unless the Lord comes by and so chooses to save them. The Lord can snatch away anyone of those lost people at anytime but they cannot snatch away God's children. Do not let that stinger remain inside of you to long. Stings produce venom, and venom can produce death if it remains in the body to long.

NAD, please seek out any other avenues to find the Truth. At least compare what you are being taught to anything else. If they are your soul/sole source, of course it will seem nice. It's nice to play church. Before long these people will have others thinking the sky is yellow, and that a fork is a spoon. It may not seem possible, but by their fruits they have fooled many into thinking maxcim is on the same level of God and part of Him. I would rather die a Christian thinking that the sky is yellow, rather than die in the name of maxcim thinking the sky is blue.

Be careful, you are in a bad place to be. It's better to have no belief at all then belief in something contrary and in direct opposition to God. (Lukewarm is NOT a good place to be).

You are one step away from being in that place wear fourvetta was/is sort of. It ALL started with THAT BOOK!

You must pick;Maxcim or Jesus Christ. One cannot worship both.

Paul W. Orloff

Edited February 15, 2010 by GoodDay

KevinPolyaNazaroff · February 16, 2010

GoodDay shared the goodnews of repentance with fourvetta, and you responded in fear with a face of sarcasm.

It is not fear of wrath that changes people, but love.

4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, Ro 2:4-5 NASB

Repentance is a daily process for me.

I fall short, but Jesus is always faithful to draw me back unto Himself. And I always ask Him for the hunger and desire to keep turning back toward Him, and to remain in Him.

I love Jesus, and I love repentance.

That is what every lost soul must do to get into a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Paramount to Blasphemy according to Apostle Paul in Hebrews 6.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,

5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

I do not think it is possible for a Christian to blaspheme.

In fact, it is impossible.

There is a difference between falling away and drifting away.

To fall away is to stay away.

To drift away is only for a brief moment.

7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?

Or where can I flee from Your presence?

8 If I ascend to heaven, You are there;

If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. Ps 139:7-8 NASB

I never intend to drift away from my savior Jesus, but it does happen.

Have you not read about the prophets?

A prophet of God lost his tool.

Lost the axe head.

Perhaps he was too busy to check his axe.

But whatever the reason, it was lost, but not out of reach.

And it was not acceptable to leave the lost axe head in the water and go get a new one.

1 Now the sons of the prophets said to Elisha, “Behold now, the place before you where we are living is too limited for us.

2 “Please let us go to the Jordan and each of us take from there a beam, and let us make a place there for ourselves where we may live.” So he said, “Go.”

3 Then one said, “Please be willing to go with your servants.” And he answered, “I shall go.”

4 So he went with them; and when they came to the Jordan, they cut down trees.

5 But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water; and he cried out and said, “Alas, my master! For it was borrowed.”

6 Then the man of God said, “Where did it fall?” And when he showed him the place, he cut off a stick and threw it in there, and made the iron float.

7 He said, “Take it up for yourself.” So he put out his hand and took it. 2 Ki 6:1-7 NASB

Fourvetta,

Have you been swinging at trees without an axe head?

Does it work?

Iron sharpens iron, but wood burns wood, and creates fire.

Did you ever even have an axe head?

Or have you replaced your axe head for a "new one".

A true prophet of God will use Gods own tools, not fake ones.

Kevin Nazaroff

fourvetta · February 16, 2010

In the Millennial Kingdom, there no tools used in the construction of Its Temple.

February 16, 2010

name='LTTBT' date='Feb 15 2010, 02:02 PM' post='48729

There you go stickin MGR in the middle of what Jesus said.................so wrong in so many ways.

Where did Jesus say there is a "Spirit of Prophesy"?

LTTBT, you really need to study a bit and learn how to spell before you open your mouth to ridicule.

Rev 19:9-10

And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me,"See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

fourvetta · February 17, 2010

I do not think it is possible for a Christian to blaspheme.
In fact, it is impossible.

There is a difference between falling away and drifting away.

To fall away is to stay away.

To drift away is only for a brief moment.

You are mistaken.

If one does not bear the fruit of True Christianity, he is cast away. This is today's so called "christian." The fruit of western Christianity. Which have not brought no fruit at all.

1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.

2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Another Parable Christ spoke of His Second Coming;

1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.

2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise.

3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.

4 The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.

5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6 "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

7 "Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps.

8 The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'

9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

And yet another;

14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them.

15 To one he gave five talents of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey.

16 The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more.

17 So also, the one with the two talents gained two more.

18 But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.

19 "After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them.

The Faithful servants

20 The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'

21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'

23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

And the wicked servant

24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed.

25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'

26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed?

27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents.

29 For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

February 17, 2010

I do not think it is possible for a Christian to blaspheme.
In fact, it is impossible.

There is a difference between falling away and drifting away.

To fall away is to stay away.

To drift away is only for a brief moment.

You are mistaken.

If one does not bear the fruit of True Christianity, he is cast away. This is today's so called "christian." The fruit of western Christianity. Which have not brought no fruit at all.

Kev right, fv zip! Salvation can not be lost once given, one can temporarily fall out of fellowship with God.

"For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward. (Mark 9:41 NKJV)

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,

39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39 NKJV

"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand." (John 10:28-29, ESV)

"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers." (Romans 8:28-29, ESV)

"always in every prayer of mine for you all making my prayer with joy, because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now. And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." (Philippians 1:4-6, ESV)

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1 John 2:19, ESV)

John 6: Verses 35 & 37-39 And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst…All that the Father has given Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. “…

KevinPolyaNazaroff · February 17, 2010

I do not think it is possible for a Christian to blaspheme.
In fact, it is impossible.

There is a difference between falling away and drifting away.

To fall away is to stay away.

To drift away is only for a brief moment.

You are mistaken.

If one does not bear the fruit of True Christianity, he is cast away. This is today's so called "christian." The fruit of western Christianity. Which have not brought no fruit at all.

1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.

2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Another Parable Christ spoke of His Second Coming;

1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.

2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise.

3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.

4 The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.

5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6 "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

7 "Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps.

8 The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'

9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

And yet another;

14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them.

15 To one he gave five talents of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey.

16 The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more.

17 So also, the one with the two talents gained two more.

18 But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.

19 "After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them.

The Faithful servants

20 The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'

21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'

23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

And the wicked servant

24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed.

25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'

26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed?

27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents.

29 For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

FV,

I agree with every one of the verses you posted.

It never was/is my intention to take God's grace and trample on it for my own gain.

I was bought for a price and I am no longer my own.

I do not desire to separate myself from the Vine.

And if at all possible, (and it is possible), I would that I remain in Him for eternity.

But that is the difference between me and God.

He is holy, I am in the process of becoming Holy.

And that is what salvation is, the personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

The relationship is secure on Gods end.

Absolutely secure.

But I at time doubt my part.

Thank God my salvation does not depend on my part!

But in saying this, I never want to do anything that would make God take His Holy Spirit away from me.

But I am not in fear that He will or would.

I am learning about His unconditional love.

When God wants to get me back on track, He uses discipline.

And I would like to say, I have experienced much of Gods discipline.

And lastly, if there is one thing we do agree on, it is the state of American Christianity.

Just like I have little hope for the Molokan "church", I have little hope in "American Christianity."

And again, thank God my salvation does not rely on other people or groups of people.

It rests on/in Jesus.

No one else.

But to compare the two is like comparing apples to oranges.

American Christianity is drifting away from Jesus.

Molokanism has fallen from Jesus.

Where American Christianity "eats", Molokanism "tastes".

Here is part of a psalm that I love to read and "eat"

33 Teach me, O LORD, the way of Your statutes,

And I shall observe it to the end.

34 Give me understanding, that I may observe Your law

And keep it with all my heart.

35 Make me walk in the path of Your commandments,

For I delight in it.

36 Incline my heart to Your testimonies

And not to dishonest gain.

37 Turn away my eyes from looking at vanity,

And revive me in Your ways.

38 Establish Your word to Your servant,

As that which produces reverence for You.

39 Turn away my reproach which I dread,

For Your ordinances are good.

40 Behold, I long for Your precepts;

Revive me through Your righteousness.

Ps 119:33-40 NASB

Kevin Nazaroff

GoodDay · February 17, 2010

I do not think it is possible for a Christian to blaspheme.
In fact, it is impossible.

There is a difference between falling away and drifting away.

To fall away is to stay away.

To drift away is only for a brief moment.

You are mistaken.

If one does not bear the fruit of True Christianity, he is cast away. This is today's so called "christian." The fruit of western Christianity. Which have not brought no fruit at all.

Kev right, fv zip! Salvation can not be lost once given, one can temporarily fall out of fellowship with God.

"For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward. (Mark 9:41 NKJV)

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,

39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39 NKJV

"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand." (John 10:28-29, ESV)

"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers." (Romans 8:28-29, ESV)

"always in every prayer of mine for you all making my prayer with joy, because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now. And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." (Philippians 1:4-6, ESV)

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." (1 John 2:19, ESV)

John 6: Verses 35 & 37-39 And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst…All that the Father has given Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. “…

You and Kevin are so right!!

It is impossible to be "un-born" from your parents.

It is impossible to be "un-reborn" from above.

The problem Fourvetta, is that you are focusing in on people's faith in Jesus Christ in a "group" picture. We are not called to Jesus Christ in groups. There are believers scattered all over the world and some are Molokans. Some go to Calvary and some go to Baptists churches. Some go to Pentacostal churches and some do not belong to a "church." These people all have a common bond; They have been brought to the cross with thier Saviour Jesus Christ at one time in thier life to see what they and myself deserve. We all had a chance to stare at Him nailed to the cross bleeding in our place. We all had a chance to stare at that red blood that erased our sins that at once were holding us dangling over the pit of Hell. We never deserved this, but that's the loving God we worship.

Paul

seeking_truth_1 · February 17, 2010

Hey Steve...

Did you ever get a straight answer from fv on this?

Just wondering

3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

The man of lawless, who is doomed for destruction, is the one who does not know that the Lord has come.

As Efim said;

"Ah, there now, you did not know when the God would come ! Thus you remain as false prophets.The Lord did not give you the power to know, hence you remain false. But to those whom the Lord gave strength and understanding, these know that the Lord has come." S & L page 692

Are you saying Maxcim was the second coming of Christ, and we need to accept him into our lives for salvation?

Fourvetta,

Answer Disciple's and Wall's question with your words. Wall asked a yes or no question. Just be up-front.

stevepiv · February 17, 2010

Hey Steve...

Did you ever get a straight answer from fv on this?

Just wondering

3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

The man of lawless, who is doomed for destruction, is the one who does not know that the Lord has come.

As Efim said;

"Ah, there now, you did not know when the God would come ! Thus you remain as false prophets.The Lord did not give you the power to know, hence you remain false. But to those whom the Lord gave strength and understanding, these know that the Lord has come." S & L page 692

Are you saying Maxcim was the second coming of Christ, and we need to accept him into our lives for salvation?

Fourvetta,

Answer Disciple's and Wall's question with your words. Wall asked a yes or no question. Just be up-front.

No. Fourvetta takes a mystical siesta when it's convenient for him.

fourvetta · February 18, 2010

I do not desire to separate myself from the Vine.
And if at all possible, (and it is possible), I would that I remain in Him for eternity.

But that is the difference between me and God.

He is holy, I am in the process of becoming Holy.

And that is what salvation is, the personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

The relationship is secure on Gods end.

Absolutely secure.

But I at time doubt my part.

Thank God my salvation does not depend on my part!

But in saying this, I never want to do anything that would make God take His Holy Spirit away from me.

But I am not in fear that He will or would.

I am learning about His unconditional love.

Christiandom would have you believe that one cannot loose his salvation. However nothing could be further from the truth.

And Salvation has everything to do with your part.

Hebrews 10 speaks to the one who has already come to faith.

26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongs unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

GoodDay · February 19, 2010

I do not desire to separate myself from the Vine.
And if at all possible, (and it is possible), I would that I remain in Him for eternity.

But that is the difference between me and God.

He is holy, I am in the process of becoming Holy.

And that is what salvation is, the personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

The relationship is secure on Gods end.

Absolutely secure.

But I at time doubt my part.

Thank God my salvation does not depend on my part!

But in saying this, I never want to do anything that would make God take His Holy Spirit away from me.

But I am not in fear that He will or would.

I am learning about His unconditional love.

Christiandom would have you believe that one cannot loose his salvation. However nothing could be further from the truth.

And Salvation has everything to do with your part.

Hebrews 10 speaks to the one who has already come to faith.

26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongs unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Again,

you are incorrect Fourvetta.

Also, does the words of God in The Book of Hebrews play true to you guys in the New Israel Maxcim Kingdom?

Can you "believers" be cutoff from what ever it is your part of?

Paul

fourvetta · February 19, 2010

you are incorrect Fourvetta.

Also, does the words of God in The Book of Hebrews play true to you guys in the New Israel Maxcim Kingdom?

Can you "believers" be cutoff from what ever it is your part of?

He who enters by the Gate into Zion will never go out again. MGR book 10 article 12

All such are not under the authority of the Second Death. Book 1 article 34: 8-10

But the cowardly, unbelievers, abominable, murderers, adulterers, sorcerers,, idolaters and all liars have their portion in the lake of fire and brimstone. Which is the second death.

But those who abide with Me shall receive eternal life. Amen. Truly. Book 2 article 14

February 19, 2010

name='GoodDay' date='Feb 18 2010, 05:27 PM' post='49101']

Again,

you are incorrect Fourvetta.

Also, does the words of God in The Book of Hebrews play true to you guys in the New Israel Maxcim Kingdom?

Can you "believers" be cutoff from what ever it is your part of?

Paul

Christiandom would have you believe that one cannot loose his salvation. However nothing could be further from the truth.

So Paul...you embrace the concept of once saved always saved if that is so, you don't know your bible very well do you?

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