Racism?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

newcomer made the statement

So...what about your feelings of racial discrimination? Is there anything else I can offer YOU so that you can accept the fact that we are "inclusive" not "exclusive" and it has nothing to do with you personally?

 

How about a list of Asian Christians, Mexican Christians or Black Christians who are current members of the molokan church

[Guest Guest_LTTBT]

I was born into a culture and not a re-li-jion.

There's nothing I can do about my culture, my dad is who he is, and his dad is who he is, and where they came from is where they came from.

I either embrace it, or deny it, but I can't wash it off. At least I have a culture,not like the pot luck of America, 70% of the children in New York

don't know who their dads are. Part of the Molokan Church is cultural, and that's why the closed door policy. If somebody needs to be led to Christ

I will do that, then I will point them into the direction of a non-cultural Church where they can praise and worship OUR FATHER to their hearts contentment.

[Guest Wondering]

I was born into a culture and not a re-li-jion.

There's nothing I can do about my culture, my dad is who he is, and his dad is who he is, and where they came from is where they came from.

I either embrace it, or deny it, but I can't wash it off. At least I have a culture,not like the pot luck of America, 70% of the children in New York

don't know who their dads are. Part of the Molokan Church is cultural, and that's why the closed door policy. If somebody needs to be led to Christ

I will do that, then I will point them into the direction of a non-cultural Church where they can praise and worship OUR FATHER to their hearts contentment.

Would a Mexican or Aisan wearing a russian shirt be allowed to help preserve the Molokan culture in your church? How about an Armenian or Iranian?

[little koshka 0]

We should all feel soooo blessed and lucky that Jesus Christ did not have that attitude.

He chose to save everyone.

Even His chosen people who still reject Him are His chosen people.

Because of God's love and grace even the culturally challenged are saved.

 

Thank God that he did not have a closed door policy!

 

By the way, what do you think of cousins marrying cousins?

 

Perhaps the unfortunate children who do not know the identity of their fathers, is because of how their parents were brought up and that is bad.

There is a lack of moral values.

Equally as bad or lacking in moral values is to bring up children with a false sense of superiority which leads to haughty attitudes as teenagers and adults.

 

Now, is that Christlike?

[Guest Guest_LTTBT]

We should all feel soooo blessed and lucky that Jesus Christ did not have that attitude.

He chose to save everyone.

Even His chosen people who still reject Him are His chosen people.

Because of God's love and grace even the culturally challenged are saved.

 

Thank God that he did not have a closed door policy!

 

By the way, what do you think of cousins marrying cousins?

 

Perhaps the unfortunate children who do not know the identity of their fathers, is because of how their parents were brought up and that is bad.

There is a lack of moral values.

Equally as bad or lacking in moral values is to bring up children with a false sense of superiority which leads to haughty attitudes as teenagers and adults.

 

Now, is that Christlike?

 

 

You don't get it!

How can a Asian become Russian????? They can't. That's the point I'm saying.

The doors are closed for cultural reasons, not to deny anybody access to Christ.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Does it matter Asian versus russian?

 

I believe the majority of the people living in the US speak english, so why the big divide along racial lines other than to maintain racial "purity"?

 

When you close the door because of supposed "cultural reasons" aren't you barring people from entering into the Kingdom seeing as you claim the molokan church teaches the Truth

 

It's not Biblical

 

You can again substitute "nash or ne-nash" in verse 28 below

 

34 Then Peter replied, "I see very clearly that God doesn`t show partiality.

35 In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right." (Acts 10:34-35 NLT)

 

 

"24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian and teacher to lead us until Christ came. So now, through faith in Christ, we are made right with God.

25 But now that faith in Christ has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian. 26 So you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

27 And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have been made like him.

28 There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female. For you are all Christians““you are one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:24-28 NLT)

[Guest Guest]

You don't get it!

How can a Asian become Russian????? They can't. That's the point I'm saying.

The doors are closed for cultural reasons, not to deny anybody access to Christ.

LTTBT, we have fullblodded Armenians and Iranians in our churches now, what would you do with these people?

[Guest Guest_LTTBT]

Would a Mexican or Aisan wearing a russian shirt be allowed to help preserve the Molokan culture in your church? How about an Armenian or Iranian?

 

 

You don't get it either.

[Guest Guest_LTTBT]

Does it matter Asian versus russian?

 

I believe the majority of the people living in the US speak english, so why the big divide along racial lines other than to maintain racial "purity"?

 

When you close the door because of supposed "cultural reasons" aren't you barring people from entering into the Kingdom seeing as you claim the molokan church teaches the Truth

 

The Kingdom is not in any building. The Molokan Church isn't stopping anybody from getting to the Kingdom of our Heavenly Father.

What is Asian vs. Russian? It's the Light vs. darkness.

 

It's not Biblical

 

You can again substitute "nash or ne-nash" in verse 28 below

 

34 Then Peter replied, "I see very clearly that God doesn`t show partiality.

35 In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right." (Acts 10:34-35 NLT)

 

 

"24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian and teacher to lead us until Christ came. So now, through faith in Christ, we are made right with God.

25 But now that faith in Christ has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian. 26 So you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

27 And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have been made like him.

28 There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female. For you are all Christians““you are one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:24-28 NLT)

 

This is talking about Christianity, not culture, completly different topics.

[little koshka 0]

You don't get it!

How can a Asian become Russian????? They can't. That's the point I'm saying.

The doors are closed for cultural reasons, not to deny anybody access to Christ.

 

An Asian can become Russian by being born in Russia.

There are real Russian Molokans in Russia.

Is there a closed door policy in Russia where the Molokans are real Russians?

There are more Molokans there than there are here.

What happens if a Russian family shows up at a Molokan church in Russia this week and asks to celebrate Kusha?

 

 

Speaking of pot lucks or melting pots and culture, please tell me what your thoughts are of Molokans here not being part of the culture.

Most Molokans here are extremely successful in business, that is part of the American Dream or culture.

Most Molokans here are not peasants or farmers any more, that was part of our culture back in Russia.

Most of the Molokans here as youths participated in football, baseball, cheerleading, go to school dances, go to college, go to parties - that is part of the American Dream or culture.

 

If the Molokans were truly preserving the peasant culture here, we would be back east next to the Amish living like them.

Home spun clothes, horse and buggy, living off the land.

No fancy houses, no SUV's, no computers, no tv's, no motorcycles, no drinking, no store bought clothes, no make up, none of that stuff.

[Guest Guest_LTTBT]

You don't get it!

How can a Asian become Russian????? They can't. That's the point I'm saying.

The doors are closed for cultural reasons, not to deny anybody access to Christ.

 

An Asian can become Russian by being born in Russia.

There are real Russian Molokans in Russia.

Is there a closed door policy in Russia where the Molokans are real Russians?

There are more Molokans there than there are here.

What happens if a Russian family shows up at a Molokan church in Russia this week and asks to celebrate Kusha?

 

 

Speaking of pot lucks or melting pots and culture, please tell me what your thoughts are of Molokans here not being part of the culture.

Most Molokans here are extremely successful in business, that is part of the American Dream or culture.

Most Molokans here are not peasants or farmers any more, that was part of our culture back in Russia.

Most of the Molokans here as youths participated in football, baseball, cheerleading, go to school dances, go to college, go to parties - that is part of the American Dream or culture.

 

If the Molokans were truly preserving the peasant culture here, we would be back east next to the Amish living like them.

Home spun clothes, horse and buggy, living off the land.

No fancy houses, no SUV's, no computers, no tv's, no motorcycles, no drinking, no store bought clothes, no make up, none of that stuff.

 

God has truly blessed us hasn't He?

[Guest Guess_LTTBT]

An Asian can become Russian by being born in Russia.

 

He/She wouldn't be Asian......................they'd be RUSSIAN!

[Guest Ohoo095B90...burp!]

If the Molokans were truly preserving the peasant culture here, Home spun clothes, horse and buggy, living off the land.

No fancy houses, no SUV's, no computers, no tv's, no motorcycles, ** ********, no store bought clothes, no make up, none of that stuff.

And don't forget making our own Kvass behind the banya!

[Guest 64C722]

If the Molokans were truly preserving the peasant culture here, Home spun clothes, horse and buggy, living off the land.

No fancy houses, no SUV's, no computers, no tv's, no motorcycles, ** ********, no store bought clothes, no make up, none of that stuff.

And don't forget making our own Kvass behind the banya!

was that milk drinkers or mild drinkers again?

[Guest Guest]

An Asian can become Russian by being born in Russia.

There are real Russian Molokans in Russia.

Being born in Russia seems to be an essential factor. If Russian Molokans are individuals that were born in Russia, then Molokans that were born in America can only be American Molokans, what percent of our churches are American Molokan? Does that dhs person know he's an American Molokan?

[Guest Guest]

You don't get it!

How can a Asian become Russian????? They can't. That's the point I'm saying.

The doors are closed for cultural reasons, not to deny anybody access to Christ.

 

An Asian can become Russian by being born in Russia.

There are real Russian Molokans in Russia.

Is there a closed door policy in Russia where the Molokans are real Russians?

There are more Molokans there than there are here.

What happens if a Russian family shows up at a Molokan church in Russia this week and asks to celebrate Kusha?

 

 

Speaking of pot lucks or melting pots and culture, please tell me what your thoughts are of Molokans here not being part of the culture.

Most Molokans here are extremely successful in business, that is part of the American Dream or culture.

Most Molokans here are not peasants or farmers any more, that was part of our culture back in Russia.

Most of the Molokans here as youths participated in football, baseball, cheerleading, go to school dances, go to college, go to parties - that is part of the American Dream or culture.

 

If the Molokans were truly preserving the peasant culture here, we would be back east next to the Amish living like them.

Home spun clothes, horse and buggy, living off the land.

No fancy houses, no SUV's, no computers, no tv's, no motorcycles, no drinking, no store bought clothes, no make up, none of that stuff.

 

God has truly blessed us hasn't He?

Is that how you measure God's blessings, with material things? Were Adolf Hitler or Saddam Husein blessed, look what their material possessions were at one time?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

It's Culture versus Christianity?

 

God is not a respecter or persons and does not see color because, as much as you want to ignore it, that what it comes down to

 

Those passages clearly indicate that God welcomes ALL who call upon His name as Lord and Savior

 

Why do YOU make a distinction based upon race?

 

If it was about culture, then where are the armenians, turks, iranians, and all of those who share the very same regional culture?

 

Do remember the armenians got the boot especially when the extra book was really introduced in the early 1900's

 

tsk, tsk

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does it matter Asian versus russian?

 

I believe the majority of the people living in the US speak english, so why the big divide along racial lines other than to maintain racial "purity"?

 

When you close the door because of supposed "cultural reasons" aren't you barring people from entering into the Kingdom seeing as you claim the molokan church teaches the Truth

 

The Kingdom is not in any building. The Molokan Church isn't stopping anybody from getting to the Kingdom of our Heavenly Father.

What is Asian vs. Russian? It's the Light vs. darkness.

 

It's not Biblical

 

You can again substitute "nash or ne-nash" in verse 28 below

 

34 Then Peter replied, "I see very clearly that God doesn`t show partiality.

35 In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right." (Acts 10:34-35 NLT)

 

 

"24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian and teacher to lead us until Christ came. So now, through faith in Christ, we are made right with God.

25 But now that faith in Christ has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian. 26 So you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

27 And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have been made like him.

28 There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female. For you are all Christians““you are one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:24-28 NLT)

 

This is talking about Christianity, not culture, completly different topics.

[little koshka 0]

You don't get it!

How can a Asian become Russian????? They can't. That's the point I'm saying.

The doors are closed for cultural reasons, not to deny anybody access to Christ.

 

An Asian can become Russian by being born in Russia.

There are real Russian Molokans in Russia.

Is there a closed door policy in Russia where the Molokans are real Russians?

There are more Molokans there than there are here.

What happens if a Russian family shows up at a Molokan church in Russia this week and asks to celebrate Kusha?

 

 

Speaking of pot lucks or melting pots and culture, please tell me what your thoughts are of Molokans here not being part of the culture.

Most Molokans here are extremely successful in business, that is part of the American Dream or culture.

Most Molokans here are not peasants or farmers any more, that was part of our culture back in Russia.

Most of the Molokans here as youths participated in football, baseball, cheerleading, go to school dances, go to college, go to parties - that is part of the American Dream or culture.

 

If the Molokans were truly preserving the peasant culture here, we would be back east next to the Amish living like them.

Home spun clothes, horse and buggy, living off the land.

No fancy houses, no SUV's, no computers, no tv's, no motorcycles, no drinking, no store bought clothes, no make up, none of that stuff.

 

God has truly blessed us hasn't He?

Is that how you measure God's blessings, with material things? Were Adolf Hitler or Saddam Husein blessed, look what their material possessions were at one time?

If you are asking me that question about material things, that was not the point I was trying to make.

 

A lot of Molokans would frown on things saying, that is not our way or that is nenash.

If things are so not our way, or nenash, forsake the luxuries and go back to the basics like the Amish do.

Trade in that Caddilac or Suburban for a nice horse and buggy (or plow). That is the culture we came from.

Trade in your nice home in the hills for a basic structure in the sticks and start farming. That is the culture we came from.

Trade in your lucrative business for some sheep, cows, and some crops and live off the land. That is the culture we came from.

 

Yes, Molokans were blessed by God by being guided away from Russia before the genocide happened.

Yes, Molokans are blessed by not being destitute here in America (God blessed many with the means to support families).

When I listed those things, some of them are linked with American "culture". If you remember, the reason we have a closed door policy is to preserve said "culture".

 

As I had mentioned before, is the blessing from God being taken for granted?

We interacted with the Armenians back in the old country with evangelism and fellowship. (Open door policy? You decide.)

What happened here in the states? The Molokan churches here have a closed door policy, but the Armenian churches don't.

They evangelize, they are hospitable. They took that same blessing and used it to glorify God.

 

Could someone please answer this question:

Is there a closed door policy in Russia where the Molokans are real Russians?

There are more Molokans there than there are here.

What happens if a Russian family shows up at a Molokan church in Russia this week and asks to celebrate Kusha?

Would they be told come in, worship and fellowship with us, or would they be told "ne hachu nenash" go somewhere else?

 

thanks.

[Guest Guest]

If you are asking me that question about material things,

No not you, I was talking to LTTBT. It's very rare that I disagree with your pov's.

[EGK 0]

Could someone please answer this question:

Is there a closed door policy in Russia where the Molokans are real Russians?

There are more Molokans there than there are here.

What happens if a Russian family shows up at a Molokan church in Russia this week and asks to celebrate Kusha?

Would they be told come in, worship and fellowship with us, or would they be told "ne hachu nenash" go somewhere else?

 

Koshka:

 

Things are alot different in Russia than here, it is not as clear cut as you may think because all are Russians. The Molokans are divided up there in groups, Priguny, Steadfast, Turkish Molokans, Armenian Molokans etc.. They are on the most immigrants themselves with groups coming from Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and other parts of Russia. Those from different areas seem to stick together because of common cultural differences. To many Russian is a second language. I have heard of Molokans there who consider the Russians of the country as Godless people who were raised in atheism. The Orthodox church there still wants to control all the different sects under their control, so their is animosity. I have also heard of Molokans whose children marry the children of local Russians as marrying out to those of the Godless race. A local russian family there would not come to a Molokan church to celebrate Kusha for the same reasons they would not here. First the Orthodox do not celebrate Kusha and the atheists would not believe in God to celebrate any christian function at all

 

Hope that helps a little.

 

EKG.

[Guest Guest_LTTBT]

Is that how you measure God's blessings, with material things?

 

NO

 

 

 

Were Adolf Hitler or Saddam Husein blessed, look what their material possessions were at one time?

 

And they have what to do with what we are discussing?

[Guest Guest_LTTBT]

An Asian can become Russian by being born in Russia.

 

Then he/she wouldn't be called an Asian.

 

 

 

 

There are real Russian Molokans in Russia.

 

Yes there are.

 

Is there a closed door policy in Russia where the Molokans are real Russians?

There are more Molokans there than there are here.

What happens if a Russian family shows up at a Molokan church in Russia this week and asks to celebrate Kusha?

 

I don't know. I don't live there

 

Speaking of pot lucks or melting pots and culture, please tell me what your thoughts are of Molokans here not being part of the culture.

Most Molokans here are extremely successful in business, that is part of the American Dream or culture.

Most Molokans here are not peasants or farmers any more, that was part of our culture back in Russia.

Most of the Molokans here as youths participated in football, baseball, cheerleading, go to school dances, go to college, go to parties - that is part of the American Dream or culture.

 

"American Dream"you said it, not me.

 

If the Molokans were truly preserving the peasant culture here, we would be back east next to the Amish living like them.

Home spun clothes, horse and buggy, living off the land.

No fancy houses, no SUV's, no computers, no tv's, no motorcycles, no drinking, no store bought clothes, no make up, none of that stuff.

 

That sounds so nice. The way I would like it.

[Guest Guest_LTTBT]

It's Culture versus Christianity?

 

NO

 

 

God is not a respecter or persons and does not see color because, as much as you want to ignore it, that what it comes down to

 

Those passages clearly indicate that God welcomes ALL who call upon His name as Lord and Savior?

 

I agree

 

 

 

Why do YOU make a distinction based upon race??

 

NO. The distinction is the culture and the way of worship.

 

 

If it was about culture, then where are the armenians, turks, iranians, and all of those who share the very same regional culture?

 

 

I don't know. You tell me.

 

 

Do remember the armenians got the boot especially when the extra book was really introduced in the early 1900's

 

Nope,I wasn't around.

This discussion isn't about the "extra book". You try your hardest to bring it up in every topic. Don't you?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

The extra book teaches "leaper and jumper" separation which leads to arrogance and an air of "superiority" to True Christendom

 

The Bible DOES NOT teach separation along racial/cultural lines

 

You may wish to check the basis for your actions

 

The Bible tell Christians to go to everyone regardless of race or ethnicity and not close and lock the doors to people

 

15 And then he told them, "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. 16 Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned. Mark 16:15-16 NLT

 

Again if you want to maintain a closed club, that's your choice

 

Do remember that practice it IS NOT Biblical so please stop calling is Christianity

 

Call it what it is...Racism

 

 

 

 

It's Culture versus Christianity?

 

NO

 

 

God is not a respecter or persons and does not see color because, as much as you want to ignore it, that what it comes down to

 

Those passages clearly indicate that God welcomes ALL who call upon His name as Lord and Savior?

 

I agree

 

 

 

Why do YOU make a distinction based upon race??

 

NO. The distinction is the culture and the way of worship.

 

 

If it was about culture, then where are the armenians, turks, iranians, and all of those who share the very same regional culture?

 

 

I don't know. You tell me.

 

 

Do remember the armenians got the boot especially when the extra book was really introduced in the early 1900's

 

Nope,I wasn't around.

This discussion isn't about the "extra book". You try your hardest to bring it up in every topic. Don't you?

[Guest Guest]

If the Molokans were truly preserving the peasant culture here, we would be back east next to the Amish living like them.

Home spun clothes, horse and buggy, living off the land.

No fancy houses, no SUV's, no computers, no tv's, no motorcycles, no drinking, no store bought clothes, no make up, none of that stuff.

That sounds so nice. The way I would like it.

And you can have it that way too, in todays Russia the Khlyst Molokan churches do not mix with the Christian Molokan churches. Heaven on earth, what is keeping you from moving? Could it be your comfort zone aka $, or church position maybe? Doesn't the second book teach you are to continue in the ways of our forefathers? LTTBT you must re prioritize your values according to the teachings of your stand-in messiah. It seems you are in the Great American Melting Pot afterall.........Oh my!

[Guest Guest_LTTBT]

That sounds so nice. The way I would like it.

 

That way of life is simple, just like the Scriptures.

 

And you can have it that way too, in todays Russia the Khlyst Molokan churches do not mix with the Christian Molokan churches. Heaven on earth, what is keeping you from moving?

 

I have no desire to move to Russia.

 

 

 

Could it be your comfort zone aka $, or church position maybe? Doesn't the second book teach you are to continue in the ways of our forefathers? LTTBT you must re prioritize your values according to the teachings of your stand-in messiah. It seems you are in the Great American Melting Pot afterall.........Oh my!

 

With this statement, you obviously don't know me.

My comfort zone is with Christ. Everything that I have has been provided by God, it belongs to Him. I have nothing as a servant.

I have no position in "Church".

My stand in Messiah is Jesus Christ, My Lord, Master, and Redeemer. You want me to prioritize His teachings?

I am in the melting pot, but chose to keep my culture.

[Guest Guest_LTTBT]

15 And then he told them, "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. 16 Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned. Mark 16:15-16 NLT

 

 

This applies to Evangilism (sp) Going out into the world. Not about keeping your culture.

[Guest Guest_ LTTBT]

If the Molokans were truly preserving the peasant culture here, we would be back east next to the Amish living like them.

Home spun clothes, horse and buggy, living off the land.

No fancy houses, no SUV's, no computers, no tv's, no motorcycles, no drinking, no store bought clothes, no make up, none of that stuff.

 

 

With this statement, it's safe to say that you are also trying to keep the American Christian Molokan culture, like me?

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Guest_LTTBT Today, 12:32 PM Post #26

With this statement, you obviously don't know me.

My comfort zone is with Christ. Everything that I have has been provided by God, it belongs to Him. I have nothing as a servant.

 

Then keep this admonition in mind, Please, from Proverbs;

 

Pro 3:3 Never let loyalty and kindness get away from you! Wear them like a necklace; write them deep within your heart.

Pro 3:4 Then you will find favor with both God and people, and you will gain a good reputation.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart; do not depend on your own understanding.

Pro 3:6 Seek his will in all you do, and he will direct your paths.

Pro 3:7 Don't be impressed with your own wisdom. Instead, fear the Lord and turn your back on evil.

Pro 3:8 Then you will gain renewed health and vitality.

NLT

 

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[little koshka 0]

With this statement, it's safe to say that you are also trying to keep the American Christian Molokan culture, like me?

Sometimes I wonder what so many people prioritize as what is important.

 

What really is important?

[Guest Guest]

With this statement, it's safe to say that you are also trying to keep the American Christian Molokan culture, like me?

Sometimes I wonder what so many people prioritize as what is important.

 

What really is important?

LTTBT, if it's mentioned in the Bible then it must be important. Where did Jesus teach the importance of culture to Apostles?

[LTTBT 0]

Sometimes I wonder what so many people prioritize as what is important.

What really is important?

 

This could be covered in an entire new topic.

[LTTBT 0]

With this statement, it's safe to say that you are also trying to keep the American Christian Molokan culture, like me?

Sometimes I wonder what so many people prioritize as what is important.

 

What really is important?

LTTBT, if it's mentioned in the Bible then it must be important. Where did Jesus teach the importance of culture to Apostles?

 

Again, I am not putting Culture ahead of "Christianity".

Didn't Christ tell the Deciples not to go to the Gentiles? And to stay with the Jews. To me this is a cultural thing.

[little koshka 0]

Sometimes I wonder what so many people prioritize as what is important.

What really is important?

 

This could be covered in an entire new topic.

I concur.

 

I still have some questions about situations that may be products of this closed door policy that have nothing to do with culture preservation.

 

thanks

[LTTBT 0]

Sometimes I wonder what so many people prioritize as what is important.

What really is important?

 

This could be covered in an entire new topic.

I concur.

 

I still have some questions about situations that may be products of this closed door policy that have nothing to do with culture preservation.

 

thanks

 

Remember, I am not an Elder or have any "position" in the "Molokan Church" what I say is what I see or it is my understanding.

Didja go to Siskiyou last night?

[little koshka 0]

Remember, I am not an Elder or have any "position" in the "Molokan Church" what I say is what I see or it is my understanding.

Didja go to Siskiyou last night?

 

Gotcha. As far as what I see and say - that is my understanding as well.

Did not go to Siskiyou that night, that is kind of a long haul to get to there from here. Thanks for asking, though.

 

Do you believe that the closed door policy is only for culture preservation, or is it possible that others may have other reasons?

 

Also, what is your opinion on different levels of participation and privelege when it comes to a congregation?

 

 

One thing I do not comprehend is a special circumstance wedding.

Why does the church deny a couple a church wedding if one of the people is divorced, but a victim of a adulterous spouse?

The church allows them to be members of the church after the wedding (ceremony at home or other place), but not married there in the church.

It clearly states in the Bible that it is permissible for that person to remarry.

I would categorize that as a closed door policy. What do you think?

 

Thanks.

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Without getting into the divorce issue, I would like to share my sincere belief that this cultural separation and/or exclusion of ALL others with their ideology and Bible belief system would bring their own belief system under the scrutiny of the Bible and they fear the Truth of the Bible. The current leaders opposition to scrutiny is based on the same fear that the religious leaders of Christ's time, had of Him and His authority. This fear was grounded in the FACT that they knew that if they continued to allow Jesus to sway the Jewish people into believing His contentions about themselves (Jewish leaders), they would LOSE ALL power and authority they had over them. The present leaders today know that they do not have enough control over enough members, to control them in an environment where EVERYTHING is done openly and can be clearly understood and scrutinized in a manner that ALL can understand in the Light of Scripture.

 

The evidence is clear with what is now happening at Lake Ave., where English is not allowed, there is no scrutiny of the leadership activities in a manner that sheds light on anything they do or say, in light of the Scriptures. The leaders believe anyone who challenges their authority on religious issues must be getting their information from "outside sources or ne-nash."

 

They saw speeches in English were getting too much attention and this could not be allowed to influence the congregation. Hence, no more English.

 

In the confrontations that the Jewish leaders had with Christ, they always resisted His authority to scrutinize them and their authority over the Jewish people, because He knew the Truth about their true motivation, PRIDE! It is not a pretty thing, pride that is.

 

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Bringing this to the top for o22 and his "gangbanger"

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So where are the "ne-nash" Christians?

 

“7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.

10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.” (1 John 4:7-10 NKJV)

 

 

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So, after all you said, why do you still attend that church?

 

 

Without getting into the divorce issue, I would like to share my sincere belief that this cultural separation and/or exclusion of ALL others with their ideology and Bible belief system would bring their own belief system under the scrutiny of the Bible and they fear the Truth of the Bible. The current leaders opposition to scrutiny is based on the same fear that the religious leaders of Christ's time, had of Him and His authority. This fear was grounded in the FACT that they knew that if they continued to allow Jesus to sway the Jewish people into believing His contentions about themselves (Jewish leaders), they would LOSE ALL power and authority they had over them. The present leaders today know that they do not have enough control over enough members, to control them in an environment where EVERYTHING is done openly and can be clearly understood and scrutinized in a manner that ALL can understand in the Light of Scripture.

 

The evidence is clear with what is now happening at Lake Ave., where English is not allowed, there is no scrutiny of the leadership activities in a manner that sheds light on anything they do or say, in light of the Scriptures. The leaders believe anyone who challenges their authority on religious issues must be getting their information from "outside sources or ne-nash."

 

They saw speeches in English were getting too much attention and this could not be allowed to influence the congregation. Hence, no more English.

 

In the confrontations that the Jewish leaders had with Christ, they always resisted His authority to scrutinize them and their authority over the Jewish people, because He knew the Truth about their true motivation, PRIDE! It is not a pretty thing, pride that is.

 

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Really...?

 

The molokan "church" is hindering/stumbling/deceiving

 

Of course God is greater than all of that

 

However, is molokansim part of Gods plan for Salvation or operating as an agent for Satan?

 

ANYONE who denies Jesus for how He says He is and advocates another way of Salvation other than what is prescribes in Scripture IS NOT of God and IS of the spirit of anti-Christ

 

Why would any Christian regularly have ANYTHING to do with that?

 

 

The Kingdom is not in any building. The Molokan Church isn't stopping anybody from getting to the Kingdom of our Heavenly Father.

What is Asian vs. Russian? It's the Light vs. darkness.

 

It's not Biblical

 

You can again substitute "nash or ne-nash" in verse 28 below

 

34 Then Peter replied, "I see very clearly that God doesn`t show partiality.

35 In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right." (Acts 10:34-35 NLT)

 

 

"24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian and teacher to lead us until Christ came. So now, through faith in Christ, we are made right with God.

25 But now that faith in Christ has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian. 26 So you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

27 And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have been made like him.

28 There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female. For you are all Christians""you are one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:24-28 NLT)

 

This is talking about Christianity, not culture, completly different topics.

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Disciple, do you have any more info on this?

Stevepiv also posted very good information...

I put in bold some of the words that are already jumping off the page.

This needs to be addressed.

If not, then the title "Christian" should be publicly denounced/removed by all molokan churches.

Christians do not discriminate between other Christians.

13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,

15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR;

18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.

19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, Eph 2:13-19 NASB

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

Let all know this; It is an outright lie that The Holy Spirit gave a prophesy to hold onto language, rituals, clothing, and to keep non-blood molokans out. Not to mention it is not according to The Holy Scriptures. In the 1920's (according to documentation by Petro Phillipich *****************) the molokan elders got together and had a meeting. Because many of the youth were leaving, they decided to close the doors to allowing anyone else to join the molokans, also to keep the russian language. Up until then, others were allowed to come and participate and join. It was simply a dictate from scared church leaders who were losing members, they wanted to emphasize the elite club mentality to try and get the youth proud of their molokanism; thus hoping they would stay.

 

Here's a story from the book "Molokans in America" by J.K. Berokoff

 

" The elders decreed that a large tent was to be installed on some near-by vacant lot and that Paskha should be observed together by all congregations after a three-day fast to conform to the command of the Holy Spirit.

A large vacant lot was available on the west side of Clarence Street just south of Third Street. Permission was secured for the use of the lot. A large tent commonly used for revival services was rented from a local sporting goods store which set the tent up on the lot while the Molokans brought in loads of new sweet-smelling pine shavings for the floor and volunteers decorated the tent with real and artificial flowers and boughs.

At the appointed time the solemn festivities were begun in unanimity of spirit and harmony. All congregations were participating, including the Armenian brethren. The presiding elders included Efeem G. Klubnikin, Nikolai Ivanovich Agaltsoff, Philip M. ***************** and Vasiley P. Galitzen among others.

Dr. Dana W. Bartlett was invited as an honored guest and asked to bring some friends and representatives from the local government, from the clergy and the local schools whom, in his opinion, were appropriate for the occasion. The group that he did bring was quite impressed with the religious fervor that they witnessed as well as with the novel food and the large number of samovars that were gathered for the occasion. "

 

 

Notice, he was invited as an honored guest. Not, like what we see today. And, they trusted his decision to invite those who "in Dr. Dana Bartlett's opinion, were appropriate for the occasion."

 

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Click here for a link to Petro Phillipovich's Book, In chapter 14 it mentions the meeting had amongst the elders, they wanted to move out to a colony, because many youth were leaving.

 

Also about the dis-allowance of gathering with others, or others with us; within the first years the elders gathered for church service with Dr Dana Bartlett. Also, not long after the molokans created their own gathering halls, they invited Dr Bartlett, and whomever he thought was worthy to come and have a church service with them. They even allowed him to speak.

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The link is not working

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http://themolokanco.info/uploads/MolokanHi...troPhShubin.pdf

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Image too big for attachment.

 

Admin, can you PM me with help on uploading a scanned image?

 

Thanks!

 

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I want to re-type part of the article, taken from The Molokan Review 1947.

 

 

 

"Intolerance among Molokans seems to stem from a fear that our Brotherhood is weak, stagnating, and disintegrating. Intolerance among Americans nationally also seems to spring from a deep feeling of insecurity in "our way of life". This unconscious recognition of our basic weaknesses results in turning our frustration with anger upon some outer group, nation, or a foreign idealogy."

 

"I would like to submit the thesis that if Molokans were strong and sure of their faith and mode of worship, we would not frown upon extensive associations with non-Molokans. Furthermore, we would rejoice when our young people married persons of other faiths and cultural backgrounds."

 

"Each case of such marriage would give us a valuable opportunity to extend the limits of our blood-tie Brotherhood and to bring more and more young people into the Light of Christian living and under the influence of the Holy Spirit."

 

"The very fact of worship in the Christian tradition presupposes the Fatherhood of God, and subsequently, the Brotherhood of Man."

 

"The acceptance of a spiritual Father must mean that we accept everyone of His children as a brother."

 

"It means that the Love of Christ which can be ours, must be extended to all men unfailingly and without reservation."

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Some Molokans have done some work to hide all this stuff!

 

I was just reading the Novie-Obrad, that's supposed to be done EVERY NIGHT. and page 715 MGR prayer book Spirit and Life 4th prayer , All kneeling has a line about half way down.

 

"This is why all of us, Your chosen people, called from ALL NATIONS ALIKE, are lead into Your flock for eternity And therin we today truly depend on NONE other than You for deliverance and salvation from all our sins."

 

This is one of the prayers when MGR is praying directly to Jesus, the sweetest lamb.

[GoodDay 0]

Thanks for sharing this History and truth with us Disciple and StevePiv~

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Some Molokans have done some work to hide all this stuff!

 

I was just reading the Novie-Obrad, that's supposed to be done EVERY NIGHT. and page 715 MGR prayer book Spirit and Life 4th prayer , All kneeling has a line about half way down.

 

"This is why all of us, Your chosen people, called from ALL NATIONS ALIKE, are lead into Your flock for eternity And therin we today truly depend on NONE other than You for deliverance and salvation from all our sins."

 

This is one of the prayers when MGR is praying directly to Jesus, the sweetest lamb.

 

 

Clark Street group do the FULL Novie-Obrad EVERY night.

 

God calls all those nations/people, NOT US.

 

What if we bring some one in that God has not called/chosen?

 

"...many are called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN..."

 

Are we going against the will of God?

 

"...I will not destroy the world with water but with fire..."

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Some Molokans have done some work to hide all this stuff!

 

I was just reading the Novie-Obrad, that's supposed to be done EVERY NIGHT. and page 715 MGR prayer book Spirit and Life 4th prayer , All kneeling has a line about half way down.

 

"This is why all of us, Your chosen people, called from ALL NATIONS ALIKE, are lead into Your flock for eternity And therin we today truly depend on NONE other than You for deliverance and salvation from all our sins."

 

This is one of the prayers when MGR is praying directly to Jesus, the sweetest lamb.

 

 

Clark Street group do the FULL Novie-Obrad EVERY night.

 

God calls all those nations/people, NOT US.

 

What if we bring some one in that God has not called/chosen?

 

"...many are called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN..."

 

Are we going against the will of God?

 

"...I will not destroy the world with water but with fire..."

The will of God.

That is a great question.

What is the will of God?

What is the will of God in regards to "ne-nash"?

What is the will of God in regards to "sinners"?

 

Jesus was confronted with this and shed light on the subject.

 

He was eating with and spending time with people that were considered "ne-nash".

The pharisees saw this and questioned it.

Why, they asked, is He eating with tax collectors and sinners?

The question in our day might be, "Why is He hanging out with those swine eating, stinky smelly ne-nashi?"

 

Here is Jesus reply.

10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.” Mt 9:10-13 NKJV

 

God's will is His desire for mercy.

And until you "go and learn what this means", you will never understand God's will.

 

The pharisees choose not to "go and learn what this means".

They did not seek out the meaning of what it really means to do mercy.

To do mercy is to do kindness.

To do mercy is to show compassion.

 

And the only way you can show kindness and compassion is by actually doing it.

 

The other option is to ignore Jesus and hope that He didn't really mean what He said.

That's what the pharisees did.

They did nothing.

They knew nothing of mercy, kindness or compassion.

They knew nothing of these things because they knew nothing about who Jesus really is.

 

This absence of Jesus in their lives led them to Judgment.

7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. Mt 12:7 NKJV

 

It is this same lack of mercy that condemns the "ne-nash".

 

Rex Andrews gave the best definition of mercy that I have heard.

MERCY is God’s supply system for every need everywhere.

Mercy is that kindness, compassion and tenderness which is a passion to suffer with, or participate in, another’s ills or evils in order to relieve, heal and restore.

It accepts another freely and gladly AS he is and supplies the needed good of life to build up and to bring to peace and keep in peace.

It is to take another into one’s heart JUST AS HE IS and cherish and nourish him there.

Mercy takes another’s sins and evils and faults as its own, and frees the other by bearing them to God.

This is the Glow-of-love.

This is the ANOINTING.

This “mercy” is lived-unto-God, and unto Him alone. For it flows forth from Him and returns to Him.

Man’s judgment has nothing whatever to do with the matter.

We do God’s mercy for GOD.

We do it in the heart first of all and last of all.

We do it to others, yes, but we seek nothing in return-only to GIVE.

 

Mercy is boring to the religious.

They do not consider "mercy" to be as "spiritual" as the other "fluff" in their lives.

 

But the one who knows what it feels like to receive mercy, will seek out how to give mercy.

 

Even to those stinky ne-nashi.

 

 

But one can only give what he has.

You can not give what you do not posses.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

 

 

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Very well put Kevin~

 

Amen!!

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This seemed like a good place to add this post

 

It appears our "Bible Student" must have missed this class on Christians not being racists because they completely mishandled the account of Peters Vision in Acts 10

 

Our alleged "Bible Student" used Acts 10:14 to assert the observation of the food laws when from the context of Peter's object lesson it had NOTHING

to do with food but dealing with racism and/or prejudice

 

Peter told them, "You know it is against our laws for a Jewish man to enter a Gentile home like this or to associate with you. But God has shown me that I should no longer think of anyone as impure or unclean. (Acts 10:28)

 

Do you see that "Bible Student"?

 

What "False Christianity" are you taking about?

 

Helping anyone and not only doing Molokan things according to most of the elders of todays Molokans? Living a life according to the Bible only? Understanding that we are a sinful generation only a cross away from the Wrath of God? Worshipping with any Christians God puts on our path? Loving them that hurt like Jesus did? This is false?

 

Please do not say;

 

Pork Acts:10:14 But Peter said, No Lord, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.

 

War, Matt 5:43-44, You have been heard it said, Love your neighbor but hate your enemy;' but I say to you, Love your enemy.

 

Forefathers Heb 13:7 Remember your leaders, etc. and imitate their life.

 

Marry-out 2 Cor 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers

 

Ne-nash 2 Cor 6:15 What has a believer in common with an unbeliever.

 

It's good to know what a Christian believes in and has faith in, NOT only what they don't beleive in.

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Recently, a Molokan made a comment to some of us:

 

"come help our "sick", widowed, shut-ins..."

 

 

Who is the our?

 

Why is their an "our" when you are claiming to be doing the Lord's Work?

 

No doubt, many are doing it out of Love for another person, and I won't put anyone down for helping a person out. And, not all Molokans think this way. It's sad to think that many of us, were brainwashed into that thinking.

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Steve:

 

I wonder why our bible "student" abandoned this thread?

 

Espeically in the light of the following passage

 

Peter told them, "You know it is against our laws for a Jewish man to enter a Gentile home like this or to associate with you. But God has shown me that I should no longer think of anyone as impure or unclean. (Acts 10:28)

 

 

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This seemed like a good place to add this post

 

It appears our "Bible Student" must have missed this class on Christians not being racists because they completely mishandled the account of Peters Vision in Acts 10

 

Our alleged "Bible Student" used Acts 10:14 to assert the observation of the food laws when from the context of Peter's object lesson it had NOTHING

to do with food but dealing with racism and/or prejudice

 

Peter told them, "You know it is against our laws for a Jewish man to enter a Gentile home like this or to associate with you. But God has shown me that I should no longer think of anyone as impure or unclean. (Acts 10:28)

 

Do you see that "Bible Student"?

 

What "False Christianity" are you taking about?

 

Helping anyone and not only doing Molokan things according to most of the elders of todays Molokans? Living a life according to the Bible only? Understanding that we are a sinful generation only a cross away from the Wrath of God? Worshipping with any Christians God puts on our path? Loving them that hurt like Jesus did? This is false?

 

Please do not say;

 

Pork Acts:10:14 But Peter said, No Lord, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.

 

War, Matt 5:43-44, You have been heard it said, Love your neighbor but hate your enemy;' but I say to you, Love your enemy.

 

Forefathers Heb 13:7 Remember your leaders, etc. and imitate their life.

 

Marry-out 2 Cor 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers

 

Ne-nash 2 Cor 6:15 What has a believer in common with an unbeliever.

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Denying people prayer because they are un-clean.

People are un-clean to marry.

A building is un-clean because of a dream 60 something years ago.

People are not "ours" because they are not Molokan.

We have enough work amongst "our own".

Come help "our" sick and widows.

 

 

 

 

Who is "our own"?

Who is "ours"?

 

 

 

 

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If a non-Molokon belongs to God, then does he have a different God, and the Molokans of today have another one? I'm mixed up on thier Theology.

Edited March 26, 2010 by GoodDay

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Our alleged "Bible Student" used Acts 10:14 to assert the observation of the food laws when from the context of Peter's object lesson it had NOTHING

to do with food but dealing with racism and/or prejudice

 

Peter told them, "You know it is against our laws for a Jewish man to enter a Gentile home like this or to associate with you. But God has shown me that I should no longer think of anyone as impure or unclean. (Acts 10:28)

 

 

10 Then he (Jesus) told me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is at hand.

 

11"Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy."

 

12 "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.

 

13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

 

14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

 

15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

 

16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

 

 

 

Everyone who is outside of the Kingdom of God is a reprobate.

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You still don't get it?

 

The point was our "student" MISAPPLIED Scripture to fit their wrong doctrine as you continually do

 

They tried to make Scripture say something it does not

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You still don't get it?

 

The point was our "student" MISAPPLIED Scripture to fit their wrong doctrine as you continually do

 

They tried to make Scripture say something it does not

 

 

Not only are the unclean denied entrance into the New Heavenly City of New Jerusalem, but they are cast into the lake of fire. unclean as in the following;

 

8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

 

27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

If a non-Molokon belongs to God, then does he have a different God, and the Molokans of today have another one? I'm mixed up on thier Theology.

Actually on every prestol seven god replacements are either mentioned or drawn and are given reverence by each church.

 

 

Attention New Izzies, Rudometkin makes it quite clear who Molokans are to revere;

 

Pg 476.5-7 And, for this reason every believer of the Spirit of truth must quickly and before all accept him, our Maxim, as the King personified. And bow down at his feet with gifts that whatever any person sincerely gives from his soul. And for this each will receive a blessing from him to last for ages. Amen, truth, Amen.

 

Page 516.1 Although I am equal with you in the flesh my Spirit is God higher than all of you.

 

Page 465.7 Therefore I, Maxim, am now called by His new name: King of Spirits and God of the faithful of all the land,

 

Page 537.7 Do not blame me and my God Naraftan, Who is the eternal avenger upon all such tempters.

 

Page 539.9 And for this I will give him over to anathema by the Spirit of my God Naraftan.

 

Page 434.1-3 "O foolish and blind is our remaining half (Postoyanne), for they never seem to have heard these Words of the command of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, who said them Himself personally, "Receive Him whom I send." For this Spirit is in person God Himself and the King of all the New Israel. And whoever blasphemies or forsakes it will be accursed in this age and in the future one."

 

Page 286.22-24 "The king of the new Israel, or the king of spirits! Hosanna Naraftan! May the name of the Lord be blessed in Me from henceforth and unto the ages of ages. Amen." Praise be unto our God and the Lamb. Amen, Alleluia.

 

Page 485.1 And at that time each remaining chosen nation will voice a new role with me, Hosanna Naraftan, blessed is he who come in the name of the Lord.

 

 

 

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Now this helps to put the peddle to the metal.

 

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If a non-Molokon belongs to God, then does he have a different God, and the Molokans of today have another one? I'm mixed up on thier Theology.

Actually on every prestol seven god replacements are either mentioned or drawn and are given reverence by each church.

 

 

Attention New Izzies, Rudometkin makes it quite clear who Molokans are to revere;

 

Pg 476.5-7 And, for this reason every believer of the Spirit of truth must quickly and before all accept him, our Maxim, as the King personified. And bow down at his feet with gifts that whatever any person sincerely gives from his soul. And for this each will receive a blessing from him to last for ages. Amen, truth, Amen.

 

Page 516.1 Although I am equal with you in the flesh my Spirit is God higher than all of you.

 

Page 465.7 Therefore I, Maxim, am now called by His new name: King of Spirits and God of the faithful of all the land,

 

Page 537.7 Do not blame me and my God Naraftan, Who is the eternal avenger upon all such tempters.

 

Page 539.9 And for this I will give him over to anathema by the Spirit of my God Naraftan.

 

Page 434.1-3 "O foolish and blind is our remaining half (Postoyanne), for they never seem to have heard these Words of the command of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, who said them Himself personally, "Receive Him whom I send." For this Spirit is in person God Himself and the King of all the New Israel. And whoever blasphemies or forsakes it will be accursed in this age and in the future one."

 

Page 286.22-24 "The king of the new Israel, or the king of spirits! Hosanna Naraftan! May the name of the Lord be blessed in Me from henceforth and unto the ages of ages. Amen." Praise be unto our God and the Lamb. Amen, Alleluia.

 

Page 485.1 And at that time each remaining chosen nation will voice a new role with me, Hosanna Naraftan, blessed is he who come in the name of the Lord.

 

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The racism stems from the s&l

The notion of a "special leaper and jumper" or super-set of "christianity" is what drives the bus in this area

 

Get rid of the book and teach the Bible

Okay, I agree, get rid of the book.

 

Now, when the book is gone, racism will still exist.

Even now, amongst those that do not adhere to the s&l, many of those same people still have a racist attitude.

 

They will say they love all people.

They will offer to help them.

They choose to love these "ne-nash" from a distance.

They will associate with them at work.

They will associate with them at the grocery store.

They will associate with them at the football game.

They will associate with them at the bar.

 

But no, no, no...do not even think about associating with them at church!

And especially do not let your kids associate with them.

 

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

[Guest yasnayapolyana]

The racism stems from the s&l

The notion of a "special leaper and jumper" or super-set of "christianity" is what drives the bus in this area

 

Get rid of the book and teach the Bible

Okay, I agree, get rid of the book.

 

Now, when the book is gone, racism will still exist.

Even now, amongst those that do not adhere to the s&l, many of those same people still have a racist attitude.

 

They will say they love all people.

They will offer to help them.

They choose to love these "ne-nash" from a distance.

They will associate with them at work.

They will associate with them at the grocery store.

They will associate with them at the football game.

They will associate with them at the bar.

 

But no, no, no...do not even think about associating with them at church!

And especially do not let your kids associate with them.

 

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

I'd say that associating with "ne-nash;"

 

 

at work.

at the grocery store.

at the football game.

at the bar.

 

is far different than associating with them at church. Besides, there's no argument here, where you are concerned. We all know you hide in the bushes with "ne-nash" folks from different strokes.

 

You are one sick puppy. Once a pervert....always a pervert. Fake christian or not. Once you go arapi...you never go back.

 

 

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Racism exists because hard hearts exist

Hearts that do not know the Truth as found in Scripture

 

The ONLY thing that can make the changes is The Word of God by His Spirit

 

That is why I encourage everyone who has come to a saving knowledge of the Lord to find a Bible teaching Church

 

Playing "church" within the cult of molokanism doesn't help anyone grow or do anything to increase in the knowledge of Him

 

Look at our little chest thumper...They want you to stay to "fix" the cult of molokanism all the while they are poisoning the next generation with un-Godly rebellion

 

 

5 ¶ But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge,

6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness,

7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.

8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;

11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. (2 Peter 1:5-11)

 

 

The racism stems from the s&l

The notion of a "special leaper and jumper" or super-set of "christianity" is what drives the bus in this area

 

Get rid of the book and teach the Bible

Okay, I agree, get rid of the book.

 

Now, when the book is gone, racism will still exist.

Even now, amongst those that do not adhere to the s&l, many of those same people still have a racist attitude.

 

They will say they love all people.

They will offer to help them.

They choose to love these "ne-nash" from a distance.

They will associate with them at work.

They will associate with them at the grocery store.

They will associate with them at the football game.

They will associate with them at the bar.

 

But no, no, no...do not even think about associating with them at church!

And especially do not let your kids associate with them.

 

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

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You are one sick puppy. Once a pervert....always a pervert. Fake christian or not. Once you go arapi...you never go back.

Great News, from this perverted satanic mind. Rasnee, sovist neatoo? The law was given to Israel by Moses who was one-flesh with an arapi, a Ethiopian women from Africa to be exact. So, for anyone to give credence to the Law of God given through a man joined to a arapi women is a seriously delusional person, wouldn't you say? If they in fact believe that "arapi" are cursed in some way by God? Would not this delusional belief condemn Apostle Phillip for explaining the Gospel to an arapi eunuch (Ethiopianin) in Acts chapter 8.

 

Furthermore, arapi security is used at UMCA functions to prevent Molokan youth from using the premises to indulge in drunken behavior, many of which are the children of true-blue "new israelites" being groomed to continue the perverted belief of racism.

 

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The racism stems from the s&l

The notion of a "special leaper and jumper" or super-set of "christianity" is what drives the bus in this area

 

Get rid of the book and teach the Bible

Okay, I agree, get rid of the book.

 

Now, when the book is gone, racism will still exist.

Even now, amongst those that do not adhere to the s&l, many of those same people still have a racist attitude.

 

They will say they love all people.

They will offer to help them.

They choose to love these "ne-nash" from a distance.

They will associate with them at work.

They will associate with them at the grocery store.

They will associate with them at the football game.

They will associate with them at the bar.

 

But no, no, no...do not even think about associating with them at church!

And especially do not let your kids associate with them.

 

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

I'd say that associating with "ne-nash;"

 

 

at work.

at the grocery store.

at the football game.

at the bar.

 

is far different than associating with them at church. Besides, there's no argument here, where you are concerned. We all know you hide in the bushes with "ne-nash" folks from different strokes.

 

You are one sick puppy. Once a pervert....always a pervert. Fake christian or not. Once you go arapi...you never go back.

 

God does not observe any differences between nash and ne-nash, actually he tells us not to observe any differences either, what gives you the right to do so? Are you trying to protect the pure Russian blood line? Don't mean to disappoint but you do realize that Russia was an empire, a mix of many different peoples and cultures, pure anything doesn't enter in to it. Thats why we use the prayer rug of the Muslims, the Bible of the Eastern Orthodox Church, and why our Churches look so much like the congregational meeting houses of 19th century America. It's time for a wake up call, somebody do a DNA test, you will see influences from all over and proof that this vaunted purity doesn't exist. Before God we are all as filthy rags, the conceit that we are somehow less filthy or even sparkling clean next to other Christians is something that is pure ego, designed to make us feel like a superior race, not unlike the Nazi's or the KKK before us, granted we wouldn't take it as far as they did, but by hating in our hearts are we really that much different? If you are truly a follower of Christ, you already know that as tough as it is we are not to respect a nash / ne-nash division, we are to recognize a Christian brother or sister as our own brother or sister. Granted it is not easy, but there is a peace you feel in doing what you know in your heart is God's will.

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I'd say that associating with "ne-nash;"

 

 

at work.

at the grocery store.

at the football game.

at the bar.

 

is far different than associating with them at church. Besides, there's no argument here, where you are concerned. We all know you hide in the bushes with "ne-nash" folks from different strokes.

 

You are one sick puppy. Once a pervert....always a pervert. Fake christian or not. Once you go arapi...you never go back.

 

Hey сопли на мозги, I mean yasnayapolyana,

 

You can't be serious about what is and is not okay as far as associating with ne-nash goes.

You would be okay with someone on the narod knowing that you went to a football game or a bar with a ne-nash?

 

And - no, not really - it is not far different between associating with someone at work or at church.

God does look at how we conduct ourselves at and away from church and who we do it with.

Do you really think putting on a Russian shirt and poyes, or a kasinka and going to Sobrania makes you a different person than when you are at work or at a football game?

 

Does calling someone a name make you feel better or superior?

I think Kevin has shown all of us that no one is better than any other person, and that he has found peace, security, and strength (and freedom from whatever was drowning or suffocating his spiritual life) through repenting and claiming Jesus Christ as his leader, Lord, and Savior.

He is setting a very good example by being obedient, and by outwardly spreading the Gospel.

He has been telling everyone to read the Bible and focus on the Lord.

It is very apparent that he is not ashamed of His faith in Jesus Christ, and I believe he earnestly wants people to be able to hear The Message and find peace and salvation.

He is displaying humility, kindness, respect, and firmness (in his belief), which is the opposite of what some other people are doing while contributing their dialogues on these discussion threads.

 

 

What good would God see in someone who is arrogant, self righteous, and has a self superior attitude?

 

Is what he has been saying convicting your heart?

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I'd say that associating with "ne-nash;"

 

 

at work.

at the grocery store.

at the football game.

at the bar.

 

is far different than associating with them at church.

What is the difference?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Besides, there's no argument here, where you are concerned. We all know you hide in the bushes with "ne-nash" folks from different strokes.

That is the difference between you and me.

I am a part of the family of God, and all His children are my brothers and sisters.

 

I don't hide this.

I would guess you have an interest in this family of God.

Is that why you seem so angry?

You desperately want to be a part of God's family, but have been struggling by yourself to try and get in by some other way besides repentance toward Jesus Christ?

I know how you feel, I was there once.

It is a very frustrating place to be.

It is like a washing machine cycle.

Just when you think you are done, the cycle starts all over again.

Hurt, anger, guilt, shame...hurt, anger, guilt, shame...hurt, anger, guilt, shame...hurt, anger, guilt, shame...hurt, anger, guilt, shame...hurt, anger, guilt, shame...

That can be very exhausting.

And all this while trying to maintain an outward form of godliness...

3 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 2 timothy 3: 1-5 NKJV

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are one sick puppy. Once a pervert....always a pervert. Fake christian or not. Once you go arapi...you never go back.

Not true.

True repentance toward God changed me, and continues to change me forever.

Right on into eternity.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV

 

Your comment on arapi is ridiculous.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

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12 “Now, Israel, what does the Lord your God require from you, but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul,

 

13 and to keep the Lord’s commandments and His statutes which I am commanding you today for your good?

 

14 “Behold, to the Lord your God belong heaven and the highest heavens, the earth and all that is in it.

 

15 “Yet on your fathers did the Lord set His affection to love them, and He chose their descendants after them, even you above all peoples, as it is this day.

 

16 “So circumcise your heart, and stiffen your neck no longer.

 

17 “For the Lord your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

 

18 “He executes justice for the orphan and the widow, and shows His love for the alien by giving him food and clothing.

19 “So show your love for the alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.

 

20 “You shall fear the Lord your God; you shall serve Him and cling to Him, and you shall swear by His name.

 

21 “He is your praise and He is your God, who has done these great and awesome things for you which your eyes have seen.

 

22 “Your fathers went down to Egypt seventy persons in all, and now the Lord your God has made you as numerous as the stars of heaven.

Deuteronomy 10: 12-22 NASB

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yasnayapolyana, seems oblivious to Scriptural teaching and just such a mindset is given a clear warning by Apostle Paul;

 

2 Thessalonians 2: 10 He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. 11 So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 12 Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth. 13 As for us, we can’t help but thank God for you, dear brothers and sisters loved by the Lord. We are always thankful that God chose you to be among the first to experience salvation—a salvation that came through the Spirit who makes you holy and through your belief in the truth. 14 He called you to salvation when we told you the Good News; now you can share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. NKJV

 

2-е Фессалоник 2: 10 и со всяким неправедным обольщением погибающих за то, что они не приняли любви истины для своего спасения. 11 И за сие пошлет им Бог действие заблуждения, так что они будут верить лжи, 12 да будут осуждены все, не веровавшие истине, но возлюбившие неправду. 13 Мы же всегда должны благодарить Бога за вас, возлюбленные Господом братия, что Бог от начала, через освящение Духа и веру истине, избрал вас ко спасению, 14 к которому и призвал вас благовествованием нашим, для достижения славы Господа нашего Иисуса Христа.

 

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