Pitching Your Tent Toward Molokanism

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After viewing some of the comments regarding leaving versus staying in molokanism, the account of Lot was brought to remembrance

 

To those who know The Truth, this is not calling into question your standing in Christ, but the VERY difficult road to stay without any support from a Bible Teaching Church

 

Lot was called righteous by God, yet Lot's choices were not the best

 

Later, God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them into heaps of ashes. He made them an example of what will happen to ungodly people. 7 But God also rescued Lot out of Sodom because he was a righteous man who was sick of the shameful immorality of the wicked people around him. 8 Yes, Lot was a righteous man who was tormented in his soul by the wickedness he saw and heard day after day. 2Peter 2:6-8 NLT

 

Much like the illustration of a deep sea diver I've used before, you need a support group to assist you during your dangerous work.

 

You can very easily get into trouble if you are going it alone

 

Lot found himself is such a place...Sodom

 

The Bible states he pitched his tent toward Sodom as to indicate his inclination toward what was going on. He essentially was "cozying up" to what was going on there, which would later cause great loss.

 

Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom. (Genesis 13:12 AV)

 

Lot started with this and then began to participate in local government right up to the time the angels came to get him out.

 

That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground. (Genesis 19:1 NLT)

 

This is where someone who was consider righteous by God has a difficult time leaving even while judgment was about to fall

 

The men wanted the angels for sex and Lot was so "cozy" he offered his daughters to satisfy the evil

 

Even after the evil men were struck blind, they still groped around trying to seize the angels

 

The angels told Lot to get out and warn his family...

 

Unfortunately Lot had no credibility because he was actively participating in the goings on in Sodom

 

4 So Lot rushed out to tell his daughters' fiancés, "Quick, get out of the city! The Lord is about to destroy it." But the young men thought he was only joking. (Genesis 19:4 NLT)

 

People say you need to stay within molokanism to "fix it"

 

Would you accept a position like Lot?

Would you "give" your daughters to those who don't know the Truth but know molokanism?

Are you willing to risk losing everything to stay?

Will molokanism eventually dull your senses so you will need to dragged from there like Lot was?

 

Will you have any credibility when the time comes to warn people of impending judgment?

[Guest guest]

Good questions, I don't think they really care about the cremation of their souls.

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Something to consider for the one "toolazytologin"

[lastinline 0]

Good questions, I don't think they really care about the cremation of their souls.

 

Sure the case can be made in comparison to Lot's problems to staying in Molokanism, but remember in the end Lot was rescued and why not consider that those who indeed have not sold their soul's to the "new israel" belief system will be led away in much the same manner or it could be one of us who remain, will be called in some manner to lead the Exodus.

 

lastinline (with a whole lot of ideas)

[Guest agua]

Good questions, I don't think they really care about the cremation of their souls.

 

Sure the case can be made in comparison to Lot's problems to staying in Molokanism, but remember in the end Lot was rescued and why not consider that those who indeed have not sold their soul's to the "new israel" belief system will be led away in much the same manner or it could be one of us who remain, will be called in some manner to lead the Exodus.

 

lastinline (with a whole lot of ideas)

 

Making lots of assumptions here.

 

 

"Catholics, purgatory, MGR is burning in hell and all those that follow him will too" Serious statements!

 

Seeking makes some excellent points here.

I guess this thread explains why you stick around, you think you're Lot. You are not Lot, you are Lol

 

Lot did not attend and partake of what was going on in the city, you do attend and partake of what you claim to be false. Big difference

 

Here's another one. LOL (a willing keeper & participator in MGR's church order) This is shown by you're willful attendance and participation.

 

Oh and you really need to ease up on the coffee, you've been posting up a storm these past couple days.

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Actually this is not true

 

Lot did not attend and partake of what was going on in the city, you do attend and partake of what you claim to be false. Big difference

 

Lot was participating in the goings on withing Sodom to a point as indicated in Scripture

 

That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom, and Lot was sitting there as they arrived. When he saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed low to the ground. (Genesis 19:1)

 

Sitting at the gates usually would indicate Lot was a judge or at least involved in local politics as an elder

 

Her husband is well known, for he sits in the council meeting with the other civic leaders. (Proverbs 31:23)

 

1 ¶ So Boaz went to the town gate and took a seat there. When the family redeemer he had mentioned came by, Boaz called out to him, "Come over here, friend. I want to talk to you." So they sat down together.

2 Then Boaz called ten leaders from the town and asked them to sit as witnesses. (Ruth 4:1-2)

 

Certainly that does not make a case for staying within the cult of molokanism however, if the Lord has lead someone to stick around, that is between them and God

 

It's not Spiritually beneficial to do so because of the anti-Christian garbage that is practiced, that is why I continually encourage those who feel they are lead to stay to attend a Bible ONLY teaching Church to be fed, in fellowship, supported & prayed for

 

You cannot give what you don't have. Ministry comes from an overflow in the life of a Christian not from a deficit

 

The question I would ask is are those who decided to stay making any difference?

 

Is there ANY fruit?

Does anyone know they are wholly against the s&l?

or

Are they an undercover Christian not wanting anyone to know what they really believe for fear of being thrown out of the temple

Making lots of assumptions here.

 

 

"Catholics, purgatory, MGR is burning in hell and all those that follow him will too" Serious statements!

 

Seeking makes some excellent points here.

I guess this thread explains why you stick around, you think you're Lot. You are not Lot, you are Lol

 

Lot did not attend and partake of what was going on in the city, you do attend and partake of what you claim to be false. Big difference

 

Here's another one. LOL (a willing keeper & participator in MGR's church order) This is shown by you're willful attendance and participation.

 

Oh and you really need to ease up on the coffee, you've been posting up a storm these past couple days.

[Guest Guest #4]

What makes me chuckle (LOL) is that his posts end in the russian language, as if that really solidifies his comment like an official stamp or seal or something like that.

 

and I agree about his many posts...much wording but saying little.

 

name='agua' date='Apr 21 2010, 10:14

 

Here's another one. LOL (a willing keeper & participator in MGR's church order) This is shown by you're willful attendance and participation.

 

Oh and you really need to ease up on the coffee, you've been posting up a storm these past couple days.

 

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'agua' date='Apr 21 2010, 11:14 PM' post='56385' ]

Making lots of assumptions here.

"Catholics, purgatory, MGR is burning in hell and all those that follow him will too" Serious statements!

 

So, I guess it does not trouble you in the least, that because of your "new israel" faith, you are a defacto Catholic by just as they (Catholics) do, are praying for a person to be accepted out of purgatory and into heaven? Please, in the very least, humor me with some type of answer to this question?

 

Also, I did not say that MGR is burning in hell, I merely said that the person that produced the "new israel" belief concept and all of it's adherents up until their last breath will be part in the second death (Rev 20: 11-15). Please, take your answer and/or comments to that strand.

 

 

'agua' date='Apr 21 2010, 11:14 PM' post='56385'

Seeking makes some excellent points here.

I guess this thread explains why you stick around, you think you're Lot. You are not Lot, you are Lol

 

'agua' date='Apr 21 2010, 11:14 PM' post='56385'

Lot did not attend and partake of what was going on in the city, you do attend and partake of what you claim to be false. Big difference

 

 

Seeking addressed these two comments with some good points. You definitely made a great call with your observation that, I (lil) am not Lot. I'd like to add that I'm not in running for that position and assure you that water-boy (now bad-breath boy) who you seem to have a desire to replace, would not appoint me to that position of great responsibility.

 

Seeking said, Does anyone know they are wholly against the s&l?

or

Are they an undercover Christian not wanting anyone to know what they really believe for fear of being thrown out of the temple

'agua' date='Apr 21 2010, 11:14 PM' post='56385'

Here's another one. LOL (a willing keeper & participator in MGR's church order) This is shown by you're willful attendance and participation.

 

Yes, many know that I am against the s&l and I thought that you (agua) seemed to finally realize the depth of the contempt that I hold for the s&l. Are you still not convinced? My call for "SPIRITUAL PURITY," was to you and your fellow new israelites to address and confront the issue of who actually should stay under the Official Molokan umbrella. Agua, so please, address this issue on that strand, PLEASE.

 

'agua' date='Apr 21 2010, 11:14 PM' post='56385'

Oh and you really need to ease up on the coffee, you've been posting up a storm these past couple days.

 

While reading this comment, it gave me a huge chuckle, but then I suddenly realized that you may have been actually showing genuine concern and love, as commanded by my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

 

So to this I say, As a life-long Molokan who is able (sometimes with regrets) to attend any of the major Molokan Congregations, who, yes, has expressed views that bring anger from many strict adherents to the S&L, but should not these same Molokans (agua) have a desire and/or love, to give guidance to a Molokan brother? Who, has strayed from the path (new israel) that they deem to be the only straight and narrow path, that I must return to, for any chance to achieve eternal life.

 

Please, give this some prayerful thought and consideration.

 

lastinline (& anxiously awaiting your loving response)

[lastinline 0]

What makes me chuckle (LOL) is that his posts end in the Russian language, as if that really solidifies his comment like an official stamp or seal or something like that.

 

and I agree about his many posts...much wording but saying little.

 

So, sum and substance is that, I simply make you chuckle and you do not appreciate the use of the "new israelite" language of Russian in my posts?

 

OK, when I'm addressing you (guest #4) specifically, I'll refrain from using anything in your preferred "new isrealite" Russian language.

 

So then, can I please ask you to address some of the issues that I have brought to the table. A good place to start would be, is my perception, as in the case of my dear friend, agua, he/she is insisting that the Molokan pominki ceremony is done in complete adherence to M.G.R specifications. If this is your belief also, then, I contend that you are then doing this just the same as Catholics do in their prayer for people to be taken out of purgatory and into heaven. Do you agree or not? And, why?

 

In advance, I thank you very much for your response and please use guest #4 as a handle, so I'll know when not use any Russian Language, as not to offend you. I'll endeavor to make it short and sweet.

 

lastinline (& always deep in thought)

[Guest Guest_curious_*]

lastinline, God does not forgive honoring anti scripture

[Guest agua]

Next time you're driving to Lake Ave, think of this verse.

 

4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

"Come out of her, my people,

so that you will not share in her sins,

 

If MGR is who you claim he is, you'd follow this.

 

[lastinline 0]

lastinline, God does not forgive honoring anti scripture

 

Are you saying by my belief that, EXACTLY what Jesus Christ of Nazareth is telling me here is totally true, that I have committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is the unforgivable sin.

 

Matthew 4: 4 "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

 

Матфея 4: 4 написано: не хлебом одним будет жить человек, но всяким словом, исходящим из уст Божии.

 

So, is it what your are categorically saying that I have committed the unforgivable sin?

 

lastinline (what me worry?)

[lastinline 0]

Next time you're driving to Lake Ave, think of this verse.

 

4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

"Come out of her, my people,

so that you will not share in her sins,

 

If MGR is who you claim he is, you'd follow this.

 

I thought we were going to try to get away from the shallow one-liners, so as to leave the shallowness to mu ah (me).

 

mgr, said that, I don't think so.

 

Are you going to continue to have reverence for the Catholic purgatory belief? Also, when will your desire for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" house cleaning begin? Or, do you secretly envy our (True Believers) walk in freedom from the law of sin unto death?

 

lastinline (& listening to every word and believing what HE says)

[Guest Guest_curious_*]

So, is it what your are categorically saying that I have committed the unforgivable sin?

Matt 15:3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? NIV

 

Matt 15:7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'" NIV

 

 

 

lastinline (what me worry?)

Naughhh!

 

[GoodDay 0]

Good questions, I don't think they really care about the cremation of their souls.

 

Sure the case can be made in comparison to Lot's problems to staying in Molokanism, but remember in the end Lot was rescued and why not consider that those who indeed have not sold their soul's to the "new israel" belief system will be led away in much the same manner or it could be one of us who remain, will be called in some manner to lead the Exodus.

 

lastinline (with a whole lot of ideas)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lot did not attend and partake of what was going on in the city, you do attend and partake of what you claim to be false. Big difference

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lot was the gatekeeper as Seeking quoted.

 

It would be similar to a Bouncer working the doors at a Nudey Bar. If the Bouncer does not drink or go or join in with the attendees, one can still say they are surely taking part? One could not get that job unless they were trusted and known.

[GoodDay 0]

Good questions, I don't think they really care about the cremation of their souls.

 

Sure the case can be made in comparison to Lot's problems to staying in Molokanism, but remember in the end Lot was rescued and why not consider that those who indeed have not sold their soul's to the "new israel" belief system will be led away in much the same manner or it could be one of us who remain, will be called in some manner to lead the Exodus.

 

lastinline (with a whole lot of ideas)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lot did not attend and partake of what was going on in the city, you do attend and partake of what you claim to be false. Big difference

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lot was the gatekeeper as Seeking quoted.

 

It would be similar to a Bouncer working the doors at a Nudey Bar. If the Bouncer does not drink, or does not join in with the attendees, one can still say they are surely taking part? One could not get that job unless they were trusted and known.

Edited April 24, 2010 by GoodDay

[lastinline 0]

So, is it what your are categorically saying that I have committed the unforgivable sin?

Matt 15:3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? NIV

 

Matt 15:7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'" NIV

 

 

 

lastinline (what me worry?)

Naughhh!

 

I don't have a clue to what point you are trying to make? Hypocrites are those who make up rules, who then make the contention that these rules are commands of God and these are unforgivable sins, is that your contention?

 

I hope, your not another reincarnation of mgr, that four(NO)vetta has so eloquently tried portray himself as, are you?

 

lastinline (& scratching my head on this one)

[Guest El Scorcho Grande]

Matt 15:3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? NIV

 

This cuts to the core of what is wrong with the Molokan Church. This is very good and on point scripture. Not bashing you Last in Line, you seem to have it right, but in general the Molokan Church loves it's tradition more than Gods commandments.

 

Actually not a rare condition at all, even though it should be. How can any tradition be more important than God?

[Guest Guest_curious_*]

lastinline i understand that you pay good money to be a member of your religious cult which is something that christians do not do

[Guest agua]

Next time you're driving to Lake Ave, think of this verse.

 

4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

"Come out of her, my people,

so that you will not share in her sins,

 

If MGR is who you claim he is, you'd follow this.

 

I thought we were going to try to get away from the shallow one-liners, so as to leave the shallowness to mu ah (me).

 

mgr, said that, I don't think so.

 

Are you going to continue to have reverence for the Catholic purgatory belief? Also, when will your desire for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" house cleaning begin? Or, do you secretly envy our (True Believers) walk in freedom from the law of sin unto death?

 

lastinline (& listening to every word and believing what HE says)

 

I guess I wasn't clear.

It's a quote from Revelations where John is talking about the harlot.

I was trying to say if MGR is false - this verse says to pretty much stay clear so that you will not share in her sins

Come out of her = don't be there or leave because if you don't you will share in her sins.

 

and I like one-liners

 

[lastinline 0]

Next time you're driving to Lake Ave, think of this verse.

 

4Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

"Come out of her, my people,

so that you will not share in her sins,

 

If MGR is who you claim he is, you'd follow this.

 

I thought we were going to try to get away from the shallow one-liners, so as to leave the shallowness to mu ah (me).

 

mgr, said that, I don't think so.

 

Are you going to continue to have reverence for the Catholic purgatory belief? Also, when will your desire for "SPIRITUAL PURITY" house cleaning begin? Or, do you secretly envy our (True Believers) walk in freedom from the law of sin unto death?

 

lastinline (& listening to every word and believing what HE says)

 

I guess I wasn't clear.

It's a quote from Revelations where John is talking about the harlot.

I was trying to say if MGR is false - this verse says to pretty much stay clear so that you will not share in her sins

Come out of her = don't be there or leave because if you don't you will share in her sins.

 

and I like one-liners

 

Very clear, you say mgr indulged with seven harlots and he only claimed they were virgins.

 

Funny, your silence makes you a Catholic, does it not.

 

lastinline (& watching for those curve balls & hitting them out of the park)

[Guest guest]

Funny, your silence makes you a Catholic, does it not.

And your continued membership makes you what?

 

[Guest Guest_curious_*]

Funny, your silence makes you a Catholic, does it not.

 

lastinline (& watching for those curve balls & hitting them out of the park)

two people, same religion, maybe worshiping in the same church service, going along with the in the same church procedures, prayers, songs, attire and beliefs

 

lastinline you say one can be catholic and the other (you) christian please explain with scripture how this can be

 

[lastinline 0]

Funny, your silence makes you a Catholic, does it not.

And your continued membership makes you what?

 

Shows my total and complete in the highest way possible, my Love for YOU, for what else could it be? Please remember, my attendence is for HIS agenda and HIS alone, in otherwards, except for HIM, I'm pretty much an empty suit. And, of course it helps pay the bills.

 

lastinline (& where His Love never fails)

 

 

[Guest guest]

Shows my total and complete in the highest way possible, my Love for YOU, for what else could it be?

Jesus said who ever loves more than Me is not worthy of Me, you may want to rephrase your statement.

 

Please remember, my attendence is for HIS agenda and HIS alone, in otherwards, except for HIM, I'm pretty much an empty suit. And, of course it helps pay the bills.

lastinline (& where His Love never fails)

'HIS agenda' - When have you ever spoken aloud in church against your churches false teachings and unfulfilled prophesies, maybe you just nod and wink at certain people who will not oppose your private talk? You are weak, and lukewarm for the Lord, just another molokan baggage handler who CAN'T get up and leave. You blast the church and elders but stay in unimposing silence.

 

Jesus said let the dead bury the dead, pick up your cross an follow Me, interpret that Bible story for us, I'm sure you're not going to claim to be confused and not understand what I'm talking about, lastinline I think you've warn that excuse out!

 

[lastinline 0]

John 1: 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

 

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. NKJV

 

Иоанна 1: 4 В Нем была жизнь, и жизнь была свет человеков. 5 И свет во тьме светит, и тьма не объяла его.

 

14 И Слово стало плотию, и обитало с нами, полное благодати и истины; и мы видели славу Его, славу, как Единородного от Отца.

 

Oh, on many a occasion, I have brought this message and I guarantee you, I'm not, an unimposingly silent person. Please remember, this empty suit, loves you, through the eyes of Jesus, m.

 

lastinline (where only HIS WILL, will be done, 4 the most part)