What is Fourvetta Doing Wrong?

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From The Holy Bible:

 

James 5:8 You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near.

 

And Jesus said that those who recognize His Second Coming know the exact hour.

 

35 “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning;

36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately.

37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them.

38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

 

39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

 

And those who do not know the hour;

 

45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk,

46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

 

 

To wait for Christ's return means that one is estranged from Him and does not know Him.

 

 

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And Jesus said that those who recognize His Second Coming know the exact hour.

 

35 “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning;

36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately.

37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them.

38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

 

39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

 

And those who do not know the hour;

 

45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk,

46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

 

 

To wait for Christ's return means that one is estranged from Him and does not know Him.

 

Again, more twisting and deceiving of the Holy Bible by Fourvetta.

 

He is trying to make a point of Maxim being the second coming of Jesus Christ.

 

This past post Fourvetta uses Scripture found in Luke 12 and goes through hoops and hurdles for his king Maxim to replace Jesus Christ THE KING OF KINGS.

 

Here is a very important verse that Fourvetta omits from his post above:

 

Luke 12:40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

 

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What is fourvetta doing wrong?

 

He's simply sharing his faith as a 2 book molokan like all should be if they have that book in their "church"

 

Don't get me wrong, the lies he is propagating are heresy and I in no way agree with him

 

However, if you are regularly attending a molokan "church" and they have the "extra book", you should be doing exactly what fourvetta is doing

 

And Jesus said that those who recognize His Second Coming know the exact hour.

 

35 "Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning;

36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately.

37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them.

38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

 

39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

 

And those who do not know the hour;

 

45 But if that servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,' and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk,

46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

 

 

To wait for Christ's return means that one is estranged from Him and does not know Him.

 

Again, more twisting and deceiving of the Holy Bible by Fourvetta.

 

He is trying to make a point of Maxim being the second coming of Jesus Christ.

 

This past post Fourvetta uses Scripture found in Luke 12 and goes through hoops and hurdles for his king Maxim to replace Jesus Christ THE KING OF KINGS.

 

Here is a very important verse that Fourvetta omits from his post above:

 

Luke 12:40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

 

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39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

 

Here is a very important verse that Fourvetta omits from his post above:

 

Luke 12:40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

 

And Jesus said concerning His Second Coming;

 

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

 

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

 

14 But his citizens (His own people) hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

 

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

 

16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’

17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’

18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’

19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

 

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief.

21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’

22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow.

23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’

25 But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’

 

26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

 

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’”

 

To those who knew the Lord's will and fulfilled it, will be a ruler over the household of God.

 

42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season?

43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.

44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has.

 

And the one who knew the Lord's will and did not fulfill it, is not even a servant in the household of God. No reward will be given, but is punished according to his folly.

 

47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

 

48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

 

The reward for those who are faithful to the oracles committed to them, is more is given and more is required. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

 

While those who are unfaithful and while they wait for their reward, nothing is given and nothing is required.

 

For if something is given, they will do nothing with that which they receive.

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39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

 

Here is a very important verse that Fourvetta omits from his post above:

 

Luke 12:40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

 

And Jesus said concerning His Second Coming;

 

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

 

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

 

14 But his citizens (His own people) hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

 

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

 

16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’

17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’

18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’

19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

 

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief.

21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’

22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow.

23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’

25 But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’

 

26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

 

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’”

 

To those who knew the Lord's will and fulfilled it, will be a ruler over the household of God.

 

42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season?

43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.

44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has.

 

And the one who knew the Lord's will and did not fulfill it, is not even a servant in the household of God. No reward will be given, but is punished according to his folly.

 

47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

 

48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

 

The reward for those who are faithful to the oracles committed to them, is more is given and more is required. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

 

While those who are unfaithful and while they wait for their reward, nothing is given and nothing is required.

 

For if something is given, they will do nothing with that which they receive.

 

fourvetta,

 

It's sad to see you using Scriptures to try and "write in" your king and savior Maxim into The Lord Jesus Christs' second coming.

 

You have perverted Parables that The Lord has given us Christians those who Trust SOLELY Upon Jesus Christ.

 

fourvetta- YOU ARE PERVERTING THE GOSPEL AND PREACH ANOTHER GOSPEL!!!

 

The Spirit & Life Book, Your Clark Street Church Years, the tutoring you received from the past Maximisti have done a HUGE amount of damage to you, and the chance of you ever listening to the True Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

I pray that Jesus Christ shows you fourvetta who He (Jesus Christ) really is.

 

God resists the proud and gives Grace to the humble. Fourvetta, humble yourself before God and ask Him to show Himself to you.

 

Ask Jesus to show you who He is apart from the damaging writing's found in the Spirit & Life.

 

This should wake up those that read this forum and are silent. Take fourvetta as an example, look at what he believes, he references the Spirit & Life many times...

 

...ask yourself:

 

"Is Fourvetta interpreting the Spirit & Life wrong?"

 

or...

 

"Is Fourvetta interpreting the Spirit & Life correct?"

 

or...

 

"Is Maxim truly trying to claim himself deity, a savior, the second coming, those who oppose Maxim will die, "eternal heir to the throne", second Job, the Moses of today, invicible hero, the seven-storied latter, the Jewish Messiah, sins forgiven through him, he writes the name in the book of life, the guarantor of our souls, the leader of 1,000 year reign, all nations will bow down and bring gifts to Maxim..." I CAN KEEP GOING IF YOU NEED MORE EVIDENCE.

 

Any clear thinking individual, should look at the evidence that many have posted on this forum, Anakainosis, Coffee, Anonymous, Seeking_Truth_1, BR549, GoodDay, Wall, Kevin Naz.... and ask the Lord to show you His Truth.

 

Don't follow along because you are scared of being shunned, losing friends, family, status....

 

The Lord is My Sheperd! I shall NOT want!

 

The Holy Spirit will fill the True Believer in Christ Jesus and the Spirit will Live With and In us.

 

Believe me, it's hard to be confronted with this. I battled with it for a few years and I praise God for His Mercy and Patience and Above all His Grace of sending His Son Jesus Christ to shed His Blood for my sins and to re-connect us back to God and sending us the Holy Spirit. I Praise God for the new heart He has given me and the new spirit he has put in me!!! Thank You Jesus!!!!

 

I pray for those silent readers out there, for the people that just go along, for the leaders, the elders, the young and old alike. The community is great, the Molokan people are loving people, I am not disputing that, but don't just go along.

 

Is it better to listen to man or God?

 

Galatians 4:16 Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? 17 Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may be zealous for them. 18 It is fine to be zealous, provided the purpose is good, and to be so always and not just when I am with you. 19 My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20 how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you!

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39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

 

Here is a very important verse that Fourvetta omits from his post above:

 

Luke 12:40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

 

And Jesus said concerning His Second Coming;

 

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

 

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

 

14 But his citizens (His own people) hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

 

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

 

16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’

17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’

18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’

19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

 

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief.

21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’

22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow.

23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’

25 But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’

 

26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

 

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’”

 

To those who knew the Lord's will and fulfilled it, will be a ruler over the household of God.

 

42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season?

43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.

44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has.

 

And the one who knew the Lord's will and did not fulfill it, is not even a servant in the household of God. No reward will be given, but is punished according to his folly.

 

47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

 

48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

 

The reward for those who are faithful to the oracles committed to them, is more is given and more is required. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

 

While those who are unfaithful and while they wait for their reward, nothing is given and nothing is required.

 

For if something is given, they will do nothing with that which they receive.

 

fourvetta,

 

It's sad to see you using Scriptures to try and "write in" your king and savior Maxim into The Lord Jesus Christs' second coming.

 

You have perverted Parables that The Lord has given us Christians those who Trust SOLELY Upon Jesus Christ.

 

fourvetta- YOU ARE PERVERTING THE GOSPEL AND PREACH ANOTHER GOSPEL!!!

 

The Spirit & Life Book, Your Clark Street Church Years, the tutoring you received from the past Maximisti have done a HUGE amount of damage to you, and the chance of you ever listening to the True Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

I pray that Jesus Christ shows you fourvetta who He (Jesus Christ) really is.

 

God resists the proud and gives Grace to the humble. Fourvetta, humble yourself before God and ask Him to show Himself to you.

 

Ask Jesus to show you who He is apart from the damaging writing's found in the Spirit & Life.

 

This should wake up those that read this forum and are silent. Take fourvetta as an example, look at what he believes, he references the Spirit & Life many times...

 

...ask yourself:

 

"Is Fourvetta interpreting the Spirit & Life wrong?"

 

or...

 

"Is Fourvetta interpreting the Spirit & Life correct?"

 

or...

 

"Is Maxim truly trying to claim himself deity, a savior, the second coming, those who oppose Maxim will die, "eternal heir to the throne", second Job, the Moses of today, invicible hero, the seven-storied latter, the Jewish Messiah, sins forgiven through him, he writes the name in the book of life, the guarantor of our souls, the leader of 1,000 year reign, all nations will bow down and bring gifts to Maxim..." I CAN KEEP GOING IF YOU NEED MORE EVIDENCE.

 

Any clear thinking individual, should look at the evidence that many have posted on this forum, Anakainosis, Coffee, Anonymous, Seeking_Truth_1, BR549, GoodDay, Wall, Kevin Naz.... and ask the Lord to show you His Truth.

 

Don't follow along because you are scared of being shunned, losing friends, family, status....

 

The Lord is My Sheperd! I shall NOT want!

 

The Holy Spirit will fill the True Believer in Christ Jesus and the Spirit will Live With and In us.

 

Believe me, it's hard to be confronted with this. I battled with it for a few years and I praise God for His Mercy and Patience and Above all His Grace of sending His Son Jesus Christ to shed His Blood for my sins and to re-connect us back to God and sending us the Holy Spirit. I Praise God for the new heart He has given me and the new spirit he has put in me!!! Thank You Jesus!!!!

 

I pray for those silent readers out there, for the people that just go along, for the leaders, the elders, the young and old alike. The community is great, the Molokan people are loving people, I am not disputing that, but don't just go along.

 

Is it better to listen to man or God?

 

Galatians 4:16 Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? 17 Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may be zealous for them. 18 It is fine to be zealous, provided the purpose is good, and to be so always and not just when I am with you. 19 My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20 how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you!

 

 

Amen Steve!

[Guest anonymouse]

39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

 

Here is a very important verse that Fourvetta omits from his post above:

 

Luke 12:40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

 

And Jesus said concerning His Second Coming;

 

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

 

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

 

14 But his citizens (His own people) hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

 

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

 

16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’

17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’

18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’

19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

 

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief.

21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’

22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow.

23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’

25 But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’

 

26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

 

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’”

 

To those who knew the Lord's will and fulfilled it, will be a ruler over the household of God.

 

42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season?

43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.

44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has.

 

And the one who knew the Lord's will and did not fulfill it, is not even a servant in the household of God. No reward will be given, but is punished according to his folly.

 

47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

 

48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

 

The reward for those who are faithful to the oracles committed to them, is more is given and more is required. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

 

While those who are unfaithful and while they wait for their reward, nothing is given and nothing is required.

 

For if something is given, they will do nothing with that which they receive.

 

fourvetta,

 

It's sad to see you using Scriptures to try and "write in" your king and savior Maxim into The Lord Jesus Christs' second coming.

 

You have perverted Parables that The Lord has given us Christians those who Trust SOLELY Upon Jesus Christ.

 

fourvetta- YOU ARE PERVERTING THE GOSPEL AND PREACH ANOTHER GOSPEL!!!

 

The Spirit & Life Book, Your Clark Street Church Years, the tutoring you received from the past Maximisti have done a HUGE amount of damage to you, and the chance of you ever listening to the True Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

I pray that Jesus Christ shows you fourvetta who He (Jesus Christ) really is.

 

God resists the proud and gives Grace to the humble. Fourvetta, humble yourself before God and ask Him to show Himself to you.

 

Ask Jesus to show you who He is apart from the damaging writing's found in the Spirit & Life.

 

This should wake up those that read this forum and are silent. Take fourvetta as an example, look at what he believes, he references the Spirit & Life many times...

 

...ask yourself:

 

"Is Fourvetta interpreting the Spirit & Life wrong?"

 

or...

 

"Is Fourvetta interpreting the Spirit & Life correct?"

 

or...

 

"Is Maxim truly trying to claim himself deity, a savior, the second coming, those who oppose Maxim will die, "eternal heir to the throne", second Job, the Moses of today, invicible hero, the seven-storied latter, the Jewish Messiah, sins forgiven through him, he writes the name in the book of life, the guarantor of our souls, the leader of 1,000 year reign, all nations will bow down and bring gifts to Maxim..." I CAN KEEP GOING IF YOU NEED MORE EVIDENCE.

 

Any clear thinking individual, should look at the evidence that many have posted on this forum, Anakainosis, Coffee, Anonymous, Seeking_Truth_1, BR549, GoodDay, Wall, Kevin Naz.... and ask the Lord to show you His Truth.

 

Don't follow along because you are scared of being shunned, losing friends, family, status....

 

The Lord is My Sheperd! I shall NOT want!

 

The Holy Spirit will fill the True Believer in Christ Jesus and the Spirit will Live With and In us.

 

Believe me, it's hard to be confronted with this. I battled with it for a few years and I praise God for His Mercy and Patience and Above all His Grace of sending His Son Jesus Christ to shed His Blood for my sins and to re-connect us back to God and sending us the Holy Spirit. I Praise God for the new heart He has given me and the new spirit he has put in me!!! Thank You Jesus!!!!

 

I pray for those silent readers out there, for the people that just go along, for the leaders, the elders, the young and old alike. The community is great, the Molokan people are loving people, I am not disputing that, but don't just go along.

 

Is it better to listen to man or God?

 

Galatians 4:16 Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? 17 Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may be zealous for them. 18 It is fine to be zealous, provided the purpose is good, and to be so always and not just when I am with you. 19 My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20 how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you!

 

 

Amen Steve!

 

 

 

Wow...it's the 2 "brothers" in false christ.

 

Sounds like this fourvetta person has it right from what I've read. He's referring to Jesus Christ, yet you are sitting there denying Jesus Christ. You remind me of that desciple that denied Jesus Christ....yet claimed to follow Him.

 

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From what you heard?

 

You don't know for yourself?

 

How do you know what's false or Truth when you are making determinations based on hearsay?

 

You seem less than qualified to comment

[Guest anonymouse]

From what you heard?

 

You don't know for yourself?

 

How do you know what's false or Truth when you are making determinations based on hearsay?

 

You seem less than qualified to comment

 

 

Hey juan in a million. You don't know me, so stop making a judgement about what I know or believe. Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on. You on the other hand have far to many personalities to worry about anyone but yourself.

 

What gets me is that you all think he is speaking about MGR, when he's speaking about Jesus...the very same one you profess to believe in.

 

However, by your actions, you are follower of 666 or baal, who is a teacher of evil and sorcery and conjuring. He causes spite, vengeful attitudes and wanton hatred towards other people. The bible tells us to watch out for divisors such as you. You don't blend well.

 

Carry on.

[GoodDay 0]

When one speaks about Jesus, they do just that and speak about Jesus.

 

Fourvetta only quotes Jesus once in a while but worships MGR. There is a huge difference. MGR's name need not and should not even be part of the picture.

 

To say he is "spot" on, means you to are deceived, or you are a really good friend of Fourvetta.

 

 

From what you heard?

 

You don't know for yourself?

 

How do you know what's false or Truth when you are making determinations based on hearsay?

 

You seem less than qualified to comment

 

 

Hey juan in a million. You don't know me, so stop making a judgement about what I know or believe. Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on. You on the other hand have far to many personalities to worry about anyone but yourself.

 

What gets me is that you all think he is speaking about MGR, when he's speaking about Jesus...the very same one you profess to believe in.

 

However, by your actions, you are follower of 666 or baal, who is a teacher of evil and sorcery and conjuring. He causes spite, vengeful attitudes and wanton hatred towards other people. The bible tells us to watch out for divisors such as you. You don't blend well.

 

Carry on.

 

[Guest Huh?]

From what you heard?

 

You don't know for yourself?

 

How do you know what's false or Truth when you are making determinations based on hearsay?

 

You seem less than qualified to comment

 

 

Hey juan in a million. You don't know me, so stop making a judgement about what I know or believe. Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on. You on the other hand have far to many personalities to worry about anyone but yourself.

 

What gets me is that you all think he is speaking about MGR, when he's speaking about Jesus...the very same one you profess to believe in.

 

However, by your actions, you are follower of 666 or baal, who is a teacher of evil and sorcery and conjuring. He causes spite, vengeful attitudes and wanton hatred towards other people. The bible tells us to watch out for divisors such as you. You don't blend well.

 

Carry on.

 

Score another win for anger!

 

If you read fv's posts, you will notice that he dances around the issue, and never really says who, or what he believes in. He makes vailed,mystical responses all in the attempt to cause confussion. It's very simple, either you profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, or you don't!

 

If what fv professes is true, then why isn't it being preached to the whole world? Scripture tells us that the Gospel will be preached to the 4 corners of the earth. Is that being done by this small group that claim to have the truth?

 

God is not the author of confusion, yet in all of fv's posts, that's all that you get. God is not the author of hatred, yet in most of mgr's writings, that is what you get. Mgr preaches hatred, vengence for not following his edicts, retribution, and death for those that do not follow him. Read it for yourself, read the 14th book, see for yourself his anger towards his "spiritual" wives. Read for yourself the bounty that he puts on thier heads, rewarding those that would kill them. Read for yourself the depraved prayers for his matrimonial bed, then after reading all that, ask yourself, who is the follower of baal.

 

All one can do is give the message of the TRUE Gospel, the message of God's wrath towards the unfaithful, the message of Gods mercy towards those that worship Him. The message that we can not save ouselves, not by heritage, tradition, works, or anything else. The message that God has done for us, what we can not do for ourselves! After that, it's up to God to work in each individual as He sees fit.

 

There is no point in arguing, or belittling, or enciting others to anger! As a believer, we are representatives of Gods mercy, that if He was able to cleanse us of our filth, he is able to do the same for others! We are to deliver His good news with love, and compassion, not with malice, or strife in our hearts. For if we do so in that manner, we make a mockery of the Gospel!

[Guest Guest]

However, by your actions, you are follower of 666 or baal, who is a teacher of evil and sorcery and conjuring. He causes spite, vengeful attitudes and wanton hatred towards other people. The bible tells us to watch out for divisors such as you. You don't blend well. Carry on.

Cookie and a nap needed here, hello!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GoodDay 0]

Great points guest guest!

 

Even before I was called to Jesus and was still a practicing sinner "trying" to reach God through learning songs and the Language and mostly hanging out with Molokans I struggled with the idea about if this belief is the ONLY way, why is no one going out and preaching "thier way"? It that was true way, than all lot of people would have mills-stones around their necks. Even with-OUT the Spirit it was was easily discerned because that theory is not of the Spirit but of man.

 

I recently heard an "elder" talking to two JW women that came to the door. The elder said that "our faith" and "ways" will be taught to ALL the other so called "Christians" around the world during a Paxod in some land that the devil doesn't know about.

Why would other real Christians want to be part of something that hates them now? I say hate because it not Love.I give so much more respect to them who come to the doors in twos to share thier gospel. They know that's the True Scriptural way. If molokanism is the only true way or something special, they are now doing a great job of hiding it under a bushel. The more the truth about our fore-fathers that comes out and how they were Christians at one time with a deep first Love for Jesus Christ, the more sense it makes why Molokanism is in the shape it's in; Looks good on the outside, but not in the inside

1 Samuel 16

7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

I was watching The Gospel Of Matthew last night on DVD. When it came to Chapter 23 the words "leaped" out of the screen!

 

Matthew 23

Seven Woes

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

 

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

 

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

 

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

 

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

 

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

 

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

 

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

 

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

 

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

 

37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'[d]"

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

From what you heard?

 

You don't know for yourself?

 

How do you know what's false or Truth when you are making determinations based on hearsay?

 

You seem less than qualified to comment

 

 

Hey juan in a million. You don't know me, so stop making a judgement about what I know or believe. Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on. You on the other hand have far to many personalities to worry about anyone but yourself.

 

What gets me is that you all think he is speaking about MGR, when he's speaking about Jesus...the very same one you profess to believe in.

 

However, by your actions, you are follower of 666 or baal, who is a teacher of evil and sorcery and conjuring. He causes spite, vengeful attitudes and wanton hatred towards other people. The bible tells us to watch out for divisors such as you. You don't blend well.

 

Carry on.

 

Score another win for anger!

 

If you read fv's posts, you will notice that he dances around the issue, and never really says who, or what he believes in. He makes vailed,mystical responses all in the attempt to cause confussion. It's very simple, either you profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, or you don't!

 

If what fv professes is true, then why isn't it being preached to the whole world? Scripture tells us that the Gospel will be preached to the 4 corners of the earth. Is that being done by this small group that claim to have the truth?

 

God is not the author of confusion, yet in all of fv's posts, that's all that you get. God is not the author of hatred, yet in most of mgr's writings, that is what you get. Mgr preaches hatred, vengence for not following his edicts, retribution, and death for those that do not follow him. Read it for yourself, read the 14th book, see for yourself his anger towards his "spiritual" wives. Read for yourself the bounty that he puts on thier heads, rewarding those that would kill them. Read for yourself the depraved prayers for his matrimonial bed, then after reading all that, ask yourself, who is the follower of baal.

 

All one can do is give the message of the TRUE Gospel, the message of God's wrath towards the unfaithful, the message of Gods mercy towards those that worship Him. The message that we can not save ouselves, not by heritage, tradition, works, or anything else. The message that God has done for us, what we can not do for ourselves! After that, it's up to God to work in each individual as He sees fit.

 

There is no point in arguing, or belittling, or enciting others to anger! As a believer, we are representatives of Gods mercy, that if He was able to cleanse us of our filth, he is able to do the same for others! We are to deliver His good news with love, and compassion, not with malice, or strife in our hearts. For if we do so in that manner, we make a mockery of the Gospel!

 

[Guest anonymouse]

Great points guest guest!

 

Even before I was called to Jesus and was still a practicing sinner "trying" to reach God through learning songs and the Language and mostly hanging out with Molokans I struggled with the idea about if this belief is the ONLY way, why is no one going out and preaching "thier way"? It that was true way, than all lot of people would have mills-stones around their necks. Even with-OUT the Spirit it was was easily discerned because that theory is not of the Spirit but of man.

 

I recently heard an "elder" talking to two JW women that came to the door. The elder said that "our faith" and "ways" will be taught to ALL the other so called "Christians" around the world during a Paxod in some land that the devil doesn't know about.

Why would other real Christians want to be part of something that hates them now? I say hate because it not Love.I give so much more respect to them who come to the doors in twos to share thier gospel. They know that's the True Scriptural way. If molokanism is the only true way or something special, they are now doing a great job of hiding it under a bushel. The more the truth about our fore-fathers that comes out and how they were Christians at one time with a deep first Love for Jesus Christ, the more sense it makes why Molokanism is in the shape it's in; Looks good on the outside, but not in the inside

1 Samuel 16

7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

I was watching The Gospel Of Matthew last night on DVD. When it came to Chapter 23 the words "leaped" out of the screen!

 

Matthew 23

Seven Woes

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

 

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

 

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

 

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

 

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

 

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

 

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

 

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

 

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

 

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

 

37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'[d]"

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

From what you heard?

 

You don't know for yourself?

 

How do you know what's false or Truth when you are making determinations based on hearsay?

 

You seem less than qualified to comment

 

 

Hey juan in a million. You don't know me, so stop making a judgement about what I know or believe. Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on. You on the other hand have far to many personalities to worry about anyone but yourself.

 

What gets me is that you all think he is speaking about MGR, when he's speaking about Jesus...the very same one you profess to believe in.

 

However, by your actions, you are follower of 666 or baal, who is a teacher of evil and sorcery and conjuring. He causes spite, vengeful attitudes and wanton hatred towards other people. The bible tells us to watch out for divisors such as you. You don't blend well.

 

Carry on.

 

Score another win for anger!

 

If you read fv's posts, you will notice that he dances around the issue, and never really says who, or what he believes in. He makes vailed,mystical responses all in the attempt to cause confussion. It's very simple, either you profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, or you don't!

 

If what fv professes is true, then why isn't it being preached to the whole world? Scripture tells us that the Gospel will be preached to the 4 corners of the earth. Is that being done by this small group that claim to have the truth?

 

God is not the author of confusion, yet in all of fv's posts, that's all that you get. God is not the author of hatred, yet in most of mgr's writings, that is what you get. Mgr preaches hatred, vengence for not following his edicts, retribution, and death for those that do not follow him. Read it for yourself, read the 14th book, see for yourself his anger towards his "spiritual" wives. Read for yourself the bounty that he puts on thier heads, rewarding those that would kill them. Read for yourself the depraved prayers for his matrimonial bed, then after reading all that, ask yourself, who is the follower of baal.

 

All one can do is give the message of the TRUE Gospel, the message of God's wrath towards the unfaithful, the message of Gods mercy towards those that worship Him. The message that we can not save ouselves, not by heritage, tradition, works, or anything else. The message that God has done for us, what we can not do for ourselves! After that, it's up to God to work in each individual as He sees fit.

 

There is no point in arguing, or belittling, or enciting others to anger! As a believer, we are representatives of Gods mercy, that if He was able to cleanse us of our filth, he is able to do the same for others! We are to deliver His good news with love, and compassion, not with malice, or strife in our hearts. For if we do so in that manner, we make a mockery of the Gospel!

 

 

Paul writes in the New Testament....from that book you claim to follow called the Bible.

 

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

 

and

 

Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you (1 Corinthians 11:2).

 

Paul also writes,

 

 

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17).

 

Hearing the word of God through faith in the spirit of truth comes from the Word of God, and not tradition, but yet Paul teaches us that our traditions are to be held onto.

 

You kids want to destroy that. You want to ruin everything that is Molokan, simply because you detest Molokans. Maybe you can't find a wife who is Molokan, and that makes you bitter. I certainly know that is the case with at least one of the twins that post in here. The problem I have with you is really this.

 

If you detest Molokans and their traditions so much, why not simply shut up and go away then? Well...I can probably answer that one. Simple. You like hanging onto Molokanism for the socializing, and for the borscht. Simply as that.

 

That does not make you a Molokan. It makes you a hanger onner, as i call your type.

 

What I recommend is this. Come to church. Put your nickel on the table, say your prashatsa and go live your life of Benny Hinnism and Joel Osteenism. They are you messiah. Let the Molokans be better off without your kind making things worse.

 

[LTTBT 0]

Paul writes in the New Testament....from that book you claim to follow called the Bible.

 

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

 

and

 

Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you (1 Corinthians 11:2).

 

Paul also writes,

 

 

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17).

 

Hearing the word of God through faith in the spirit of truth comes from the Word of God, and not tradition, but yet Paul teaches us that our traditions are to be held onto.

 

You kids want to destroy that. You want to ruin everything that is Molokan, simply because you detest Molokans. Maybe you can't find a wife who is Molokan, and that makes you bitter. I certainly know that is the case with at least one of the twins that post in here. The problem I have with you is really this.

 

If you detest Molokans and their traditions so much, why not simply shut up and go away then? Well...I can probably answer that one. Simple. You like hanging onto Molokanism for the socializing, and for the borscht. Simply as that.

 

That does not make you a Molokan. It makes you a hanger onner, as i call your type.

 

What I recommend is this. Come to church. Put your nickel on the table, say your prashatsa and go live your life of Benny Hinnism and Joel Osteenism. They are you messiah. Let the Molokans be better off without your kind making things worse.

 

It not the detesting of the triditions, it's detesting putting a tridition and a language above Christ and that's what's going on there.

[GoodDay 0]

Amen!

 

Paul writes in the New Testament....from that book you claim to follow called the Bible.

 

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

 

and

 

Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you (1 Corinthians 11:2).

 

Paul also writes,

 

 

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17).

 

Hearing the word of God through faith in the spirit of truth comes from the Word of God, and not tradition, but yet Paul teaches us that our traditions are to be held onto.

 

You kids want to destroy that. You want to ruin everything that is Molokan, simply because you detest Molokans. Maybe you can't find a wife who is Molokan, and that makes you bitter. I certainly know that is the case with at least one of the twins that post in here. The problem I have with you is really this.

 

If you detest Molokans and their traditions so much, why not simply shut up and go away then? Well...I can probably answer that one. Simple. You like hanging onto Molokanism for the socializing, and for the borscht. Simply as that.

 

That does not make you a Molokan. It makes you a hanger onner, as i call your type.

 

What I recommend is this. Come to church. Put your nickel on the table, say your prashatsa and go live your life of Benny Hinnism and Joel Osteenism. They are you messiah. Let the Molokans be better off without your kind making things worse.

 

It not the detesting of the triditions, it's detesting putting a tridition and a language above Christ and that's what's going on there.

 

[GoodDay 0]

Great points guest guest!

 

Even before I was called to Jesus and was still a practicing sinner "trying" to reach God through learning songs and the Language and mostly hanging out with Molokans I struggled with the idea about if this belief is the ONLY way, why is no one going out and preaching "thier way"? It that was true way, than all lot of people would have mills-stones around their necks. Even with-OUT the Spirit it was was easily discerned because that theory is not of the Spirit but of man.

 

I recently heard an "elder" talking to two JW women that came to the door. The elder said that "our faith" and "ways" will be taught to ALL the other so called "Christians" around the world during a Paxod in some land that the devil doesn't know about.

Why would other real Christians want to be part of something that hates them now? I say hate because it not Love.I give so much more respect to them who come to the doors in twos to share thier gospel. They know that's the True Scriptural way. If molokanism is the only true way or something special, they are now doing a great job of hiding it under a bushel. The more the truth about our fore-fathers that comes out and how they were Christians at one time with a deep first Love for Jesus Christ, the more sense it makes why Molokanism is in the shape it's in; Looks good on the outside, but not in the inside

1 Samuel 16

7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

I was watching The Gospel Of Matthew last night on DVD. When it came to Chapter 23 the words "leaped" out of the screen!

 

Matthew 23

Seven Woes

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

 

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

 

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

 

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

 

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

 

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

 

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

 

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

 

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

 

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

 

37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'[d]"

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

From what you heard?

 

You don't know for yourself?

 

How do you know what's false or Truth when you are making determinations based on hearsay?

 

You seem less than qualified to comment

 

 

Hey juan in a million. You don't know me, so stop making a judgement about what I know or believe. Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on. You on the other hand have far to many personalities to worry about anyone but yourself.

 

What gets me is that you all think he is speaking about MGR, when he's speaking about Jesus...the very same one you profess to believe in.

 

However, by your actions, you are follower of 666 or baal, who is a teacher of evil and sorcery and conjuring. He causes spite, vengeful attitudes and wanton hatred towards other people. The bible tells us to watch out for divisors such as you. You don't blend well.

 

Carry on.

 

Score another win for anger!

 

If you read fv's posts, you will notice that he dances around the issue, and never really says who, or what he believes in. He makes vailed,mystical responses all in the attempt to cause confussion. It's very simple, either you profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, or you don't!

 

If what fv professes is true, then why isn't it being preached to the whole world? Scripture tells us that the Gospel will be preached to the 4 corners of the earth. Is that being done by this small group that claim to have the truth?

 

God is not the author of confusion, yet in all of fv's posts, that's all that you get. God is not the author of hatred, yet in most of mgr's writings, that is what you get. Mgr preaches hatred, vengence for not following his edicts, retribution, and death for those that do not follow him. Read it for yourself, read the 14th book, see for yourself his anger towards his "spiritual" wives. Read for yourself the bounty that he puts on thier heads, rewarding those that would kill them. Read for yourself the depraved prayers for his matrimonial bed, then after reading all that, ask yourself, who is the follower of baal.

 

All one can do is give the message of the TRUE Gospel, the message of God's wrath towards the unfaithful, the message of Gods mercy towards those that worship Him. The message that we can not save ouselves, not by heritage, tradition, works, or anything else. The message that God has done for us, what we can not do for ourselves! After that, it's up to God to work in each individual as He sees fit.

 

There is no point in arguing, or belittling, or enciting others to anger! As a believer, we are representatives of Gods mercy, that if He was able to cleanse us of our filth, he is able to do the same for others! We are to deliver His good news with love, and compassion, not with malice, or strife in our hearts. For if we do so in that manner, we make a mockery of the Gospel!

 

 

Paul writes in the New Testament....from that book you claim to follow called the Bible.

 

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

 

and

 

Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you (1 Corinthians 11:2).

 

Paul also writes,

 

 

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17).

 

Hearing the word of God through faith in the spirit of truth comes from the Word of God, and not tradition, but yet Paul teaches us that our traditions are to be held onto.

 

You kids want to destroy that. You want to ruin everything that is Molokan, simply because you detest Molokans. Maybe you can't find a wife who is Molokan, and that makes you bitter. I certainly know that is the case with at least one of the twins that post in here. The problem I have with you is really this.

 

If you detest Molokans and their traditions so much, why not simply shut up and go away then? Well...I can probably answer that one. Simple. You like hanging onto Molokanism for the socializing, and for the borscht. Simply as that.

 

That does not make you a Molokan. It makes you a hanger onner, as i call your type.

 

What I recommend is this. Come to church. Put your nickel on the table, say your prashatsa and go live your life of Benny Hinnism and Joel Osteenism. They are you messiah. Let the Molokans be better off without your kind making things worse.

 

 

Your post is a perfect example of what is going on today in Molokanism and I say today, not in the day of our christian forefathers.

 

You clearly are putting a couple of lines from Apostle Paul above the words of Jesus Christ?

 

Where is Jesus Christ in your post? Where is He in the churches? That is the ONLY problem. Why cannot people see that? Who has Jesus Christ became to the Molokans? Why is not, the condition of man talked about, and that God calls them to true repentance that He so chooses by thier hearts, not thier externals, and he does not call people to get caught up in doing things just as the Pharicees were doing?

 

WHY WOULD GOD CARE LESS ABOUT RUSSIAN SHIRTS AND A FOREIGN LANGUAGE ETC??

 

If Jesus Christ walked into a molokan church of today-Would people recognize Him? Would they cast Him out because He is not following Molokan Tradition? Would they sit him in the back because he is a "ne-nash." Honestly, think about it. Would you know Him and would He know you? What if you had to give up all your traditions of man to follow Him, would you? Well, that time is now, not when he returns.

 

If EVERYONE held on to their "Traditions" of thier forefathers, we would all be wearing figleaves.

 

Apostle Paul here also says something important.

Everything that Paul thought he was doing on his own to get closer to God were actually only for himself and keeping him further from God-He actually called the "Dung." (Cr ap). Paul said that.

 

Phillipians 3

7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

 

8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

 

11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

 

12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus

 

Anything that pushes Jesus Christ further and further away is not of God and is man's dung made manifest.

 

Honestly, I think everyone on here including myself pray that Benny Him and Joel Oesteen come to accept Jesus Christ one day and be able to preach to all the have that watch. And if that happened some day, I would watch them and you know why? It's because I like to listen to Christians that I can understand. It's a very simple concept.

 

I am very leary for obvious reasons about going to churches that speak foreign Languages. Hinn and Osteen speak english, and that is why it's easy to pick out their falsness.

What would happen if the Molokons of today started to speak in English? They would be exposed.

 

Many say that, the molokan 'faith,' would be ruined if they started speaking in English? I agree. because it would expose what's being preached and being said. BUT, with them hanging onto Russian it allready HAS been ruined. Jesus Christ is not preached.

 

Paul W. Orloff

Edited February 26, 2010 by GoodDay

[Guest anonymouse]

Great points guest guest!

 

Even before I was called to Jesus and was still a practicing sinner "trying" to reach God through learning songs and the Language and mostly hanging out with Molokans I struggled with the idea about if this belief is the ONLY way, why is no one going out and preaching "thier way"? It that was true way, than all lot of people would have mills-stones around their necks. Even with-OUT the Spirit it was was easily discerned because that theory is not of the Spirit but of man.

 

I recently heard an "elder" talking to two JW women that came to the door. The elder said that "our faith" and "ways" will be taught to ALL the other so called "Christians" around the world during a Paxod in some land that the devil doesn't know about.

Why would other real Christians want to be part of something that hates them now? I say hate because it not Love.I give so much more respect to them who come to the doors in twos to share thier gospel. They know that's the True Scriptural way. If molokanism is the only true way or something special, they are now doing a great job of hiding it under a bushel. The more the truth about our fore-fathers that comes out and how they were Christians at one time with a deep first Love for Jesus Christ, the more sense it makes why Molokanism is in the shape it's in; Looks good on the outside, but not in the inside

1 Samuel 16

7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

I was watching The Gospel Of Matthew last night on DVD. When it came to Chapter 23 the words "leaped" out of the screen!

 

Matthew 23

Seven Woes

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

 

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

 

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

 

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

 

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

 

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

 

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

 

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

 

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

 

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

 

37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'[d]"

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

From what you heard?

 

You don't know for yourself?

 

How do you know what's false or Truth when you are making determinations based on hearsay?

 

You seem less than qualified to comment

 

 

Hey juan in a million. You don't know me, so stop making a judgement about what I know or believe. Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on. You on the other hand have far to many personalities to worry about anyone but yourself.

 

What gets me is that you all think he is speaking about MGR, when he's speaking about Jesus...the very same one you profess to believe in.

 

However, by your actions, you are follower of 666 or baal, who is a teacher of evil and sorcery and conjuring. He causes spite, vengeful attitudes and wanton hatred towards other people. The bible tells us to watch out for divisors such as you. You don't blend well.

 

Carry on.

 

Score another win for anger!

 

If you read fv's posts, you will notice that he dances around the issue, and never really says who, or what he believes in. He makes vailed,mystical responses all in the attempt to cause confussion. It's very simple, either you profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, or you don't!

 

If what fv professes is true, then why isn't it being preached to the whole world? Scripture tells us that the Gospel will be preached to the 4 corners of the earth. Is that being done by this small group that claim to have the truth?

 

God is not the author of confusion, yet in all of fv's posts, that's all that you get. God is not the author of hatred, yet in most of mgr's writings, that is what you get. Mgr preaches hatred, vengence for not following his edicts, retribution, and death for those that do not follow him. Read it for yourself, read the 14th book, see for yourself his anger towards his "spiritual" wives. Read for yourself the bounty that he puts on thier heads, rewarding those that would kill them. Read for yourself the depraved prayers for his matrimonial bed, then after reading all that, ask yourself, who is the follower of baal.

 

All one can do is give the message of the TRUE Gospel, the message of God's wrath towards the unfaithful, the message of Gods mercy towards those that worship Him. The message that we can not save ouselves, not by heritage, tradition, works, or anything else. The message that God has done for us, what we can not do for ourselves! After that, it's up to God to work in each individual as He sees fit.

 

There is no point in arguing, or belittling, or enciting others to anger! As a believer, we are representatives of Gods mercy, that if He was able to cleanse us of our filth, he is able to do the same for others! We are to deliver His good news with love, and compassion, not with malice, or strife in our hearts. For if we do so in that manner, we make a mockery of the Gospel!

 

 

Paul writes in the New Testament....from that book you claim to follow called the Bible.

 

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

 

and

 

Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you (1 Corinthians 11:2).

 

Paul also writes,

 

 

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17).

 

Hearing the word of God through faith in the spirit of truth comes from the Word of God, and not tradition, but yet Paul teaches us that our traditions are to be held onto.

 

You kids want to destroy that. You want to ruin everything that is Molokan, simply because you detest Molokans. Maybe you can't find a wife who is Molokan, and that makes you bitter. I certainly know that is the case with at least one of the twins that post in here. The problem I have with you is really this.

 

If you detest Molokans and their traditions so much, why not simply shut up and go away then? Well...I can probably answer that one. Simple. You like hanging onto Molokanism for the socializing, and for the borscht. Simply as that.

 

That does not make you a Molokan. It makes you a hanger onner, as i call your type.

 

What I recommend is this. Come to church. Put your nickel on the table, say your prashatsa and go live your life of Benny Hinnism and Joel Osteenism. They are you messiah. Let the Molokans be better off without your kind making things worse.

 

 

Your post is a perfect example of what is going on today in Molokanism and I say today, not in the day of our christian forefathers.

 

You clearly are putting a couple of lines from Apostle Paul above the words of Jesus Christ?

 

Where is Jesus Christ in your post? Where is He in the churches? That is the ONLY problem. Why cannot people see that? Who has Jesus Christ became to the Molokans? Why is not, the condition of man talked about, and that God calls them to true repentance that He so chooses by thier hearts, not thier externals, and he does not call people to get caught up in doing things just as the Pharicees were doing?

 

WHY WOULD GOD CARE LESS ABOUT RUSSIAN SHIRTS AND A FOREIGN LANGUAGE ETC??

 

If Jesus Christ walked into a molokan church of today-Would people recognize Him? Would they cast Him out because He is not following Molokan Tradition? Would they sit him in the back because he is a "ne-nash." Honestly, think about it. Would you know Him and would He know you? What if you had to give up all your traditions of man to follow Him, would you? Well, that time is now, not when he returns.

 

If EVERYONE held on to their "Traditions" of thier forefathers, we would all be wearing figleaves.

 

Apostle Paul here also says something important.

Everything that Paul thought he was doing on his own to get closer to God were actually only for himself and keeping him further from God-He actually called the "Dung." (Cr ap). Paul said that.

 

Phillipians 3

7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

 

8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

 

11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

 

12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus

 

Anything that pushes Jesus Christ further and further away is not of God and is man's dung made manifest.

 

Honestly, I think everyone on here including myself pray that Benny Him and Joel Oesteen come to accept Jesus Christ one day and be able to preach to all the have that watch. And if that happened some day, I would watch them and you know why? It's because I like to listen to Christians that I can understand. It's a very simple concept.

 

I am very leary for obvious reasons about going to churches that speak foreign Languages. Hinn and Osteen speak english, and that is why it's easy to pick out their falsness.

What would happen if the Molokons of today started to speak in English? They would be exposed.

 

Many say that, the molokan 'faith,' would be ruined if they started speaking in English? I agree. because it would expose what's being preached and being said. BUT, with them hanging onto Russian it allready HAS been ruined. Jesus Christ is not preached.

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

 

PO,

 

all you have said simply points to your ignorance of the Molokan language, not that it is inherently bad or stifling of faith. Instead, you take the easy way out and like most of society, condemn that which you do not understand. That is simply called ignorance. Nothing more and nothing less. You act ignorant of facts and are belittling sometimes. Hey...no need to get hoity toity with me either. I understand a little about human psychology and how the mind functions, so I've got you covered there.

 

Next, Christ is preached in the Molokan churches all the time. My biggest peeve is that they never move on from the milk to the meat. Cmon now, the bible tells us to do this. But you like SP and others all want to focus on the cross yadda yadda.

 

Time to grow into adulthood and move on to spiritual things.

 

Also, Who is talking about Russian shirts and the language anyway. The traditions being spoken of are the traditions of our forefathers, the way in that they gave their lives because of the Christ they believed in so much. It's not that we are to idolize them or make martyrs out of them per se, but rather to use their faith as an example of how we should believe on high.

 

I might add that God says it is good to hold onto our faith...in the way that services are held etc. The form of thing if you will. This "form" or manner in which things are done is good and a type of glue that holds people together despite what people like yourself are trying to accomplish.

 

[GoodDay 0]

IV

 

Now you call it the "Molokan Language?" :-)

 

That's a new one. I can understand as much as some of the speakers. Others on here know it quite well. The thing is, no one should have to know it. It's a prerequisite to be part of the team? That's ubsurd. No matter what Scripture you use, you cannot Justify it. If someone came out and said change to English, they would shut them down because they would have nothing to hang on to.

 

Talking about and saying Jesus Christ once in a while in Russian means nothing here in America.

 

What's scary is that some people act as though these "special" things give them a earthly high. They haven't a clue what is going on with the Flock, except for the ones who question nothing.

 

If you don't feel the cross yadda yadda is important-that's Ok, this is America and you can praise a language and a book. That is NOT the Milk. Molokans of today think that traditions and MGR are the meat? I am not accountable for them that beleive that way. Our fore-fathers were not bigots and hypicrits and racist and supreme etc..Wow- One would never know-molokans of today imulate them perfect.

 

There are two Korean churches near my house- One about 5 houses away. The other (Grace Ministries) about 3 blocks from here. Awesome Brothers and Sisters. I wonder if God is mad that the have services in English and Korean? How dare they break tradition and allow Ne-Nash in. How dare they make sure that all can hear the sermon. Grace Ministries has earphones to listen to the sermon as someone translates at the same time. They have english AND Korean and I believe Spanish services. They are SO wrong because they fullfill thier duties and thier positions according to Scripture. BUT they both have crosses so, that means their wordly filthy christians and they eat pork I think too, so of course they are going to hell. At least thats what I heard all my life. Also, they are nice to you and make sure you are comfortable and introduce you to people. You can talk about Jesus with the Pastors and Elders. BUT, that's right, their Jesus is a false God because He is God.

 

IV, if you think forvetta is a/ your hero and speaks and worships with "Meat." You need to become vegatarian.

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

 

 

 

 

Great points guest guest!

 

Even before I was called to Jesus and was still a practicing sinner "trying" to reach God through learning songs and the Language and mostly hanging out with Molokans I struggled with the idea about if this belief is the ONLY way, why is no one going out and preaching "thier way"? It that was true way, than all lot of people would have mills-stones around their necks. Even with-OUT the Spirit it was was easily discerned because that theory is not of the Spirit but of man.

 

I recently heard an "elder" talking to two JW women that came to the door. The elder said that "our faith" and "ways" will be taught to ALL the other so called "Christians" around the world during a Paxod in some land that the devil doesn't know about.

Why would other real Christians want to be part of something that hates them now? I say hate because it not Love.I give so much more respect to them who come to the doors in twos to share thier gospel. They know that's the True Scriptural way. If molokanism is the only true way or something special, they are now doing a great job of hiding it under a bushel. The more the truth about our fore-fathers that comes out and how they were Christians at one time with a deep first Love for Jesus Christ, the more sense it makes why Molokanism is in the shape it's in; Looks good on the outside, but not in the inside

1 Samuel 16

7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

I was watching The Gospel Of Matthew last night on DVD. When it came to Chapter 23 the words "leaped" out of the screen!

 

Matthew 23

Seven Woes

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

 

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

 

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

 

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

 

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

 

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

 

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

 

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

 

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

 

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

 

37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'[d]"

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

From what you heard?

 

You don't know for yourself?

 

How do you know what's false or Truth when you are making determinations based on hearsay?

 

You seem less than qualified to comment

 

 

Hey juan in a million. You don't know me, so stop making a judgement about what I know or believe. Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on. You on the other hand have far to many personalities to worry about anyone but yourself.

 

What gets me is that you all think he is speaking about MGR, when he's speaking about Jesus...the very same one you profess to believe in.

 

However, by your actions, you are follower of 666 or baal, who is a teacher of evil and sorcery and conjuring. He causes spite, vengeful attitudes and wanton hatred towards other people. The bible tells us to watch out for divisors such as you. You don't blend well.

 

Carry on.

 

Score another win for anger!

 

If you read fv's posts, you will notice that he dances around the issue, and never really says who, or what he believes in. He makes vailed,mystical responses all in the attempt to cause confussion. It's very simple, either you profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, or you don't!

 

If what fv professes is true, then why isn't it being preached to the whole world? Scripture tells us that the Gospel will be preached to the 4 corners of the earth. Is that being done by this small group that claim to have the truth?

 

God is not the author of confusion, yet in all of fv's posts, that's all that you get. God is not the author of hatred, yet in most of mgr's writings, that is what you get. Mgr preaches hatred, vengence for not following his edicts, retribution, and death for those that do not follow him. Read it for yourself, read the 14th book, see for yourself his anger towards his "spiritual" wives. Read for yourself the bounty that he puts on thier heads, rewarding those that would kill them. Read for yourself the depraved prayers for his matrimonial bed, then after reading all that, ask yourself, who is the follower of baal.

 

All one can do is give the message of the TRUE Gospel, the message of God's wrath towards the unfaithful, the message of Gods mercy towards those that worship Him. The message that we can not save ouselves, not by heritage, tradition, works, or anything else. The message that God has done for us, what we can not do for ourselves! After that, it's up to God to work in each individual as He sees fit.

 

There is no point in arguing, or belittling, or enciting others to anger! As a believer, we are representatives of Gods mercy, that if He was able to cleanse us of our filth, he is able to do the same for others! We are to deliver His good news with love, and compassion, not with malice, or strife in our hearts. For if we do so in that manner, we make a mockery of the Gospel!

 

 

Paul writes in the New Testament....from that book you claim to follow called the Bible.

 

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

 

and

 

Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you (1 Corinthians 11:2).

 

Paul also writes,

 

 

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17).

 

Hearing the word of God through faith in the spirit of truth comes from the Word of God, and not tradition, but yet Paul teaches us that our traditions are to be held onto.

 

You kids want to destroy that. You want to ruin everything that is Molokan, simply because you detest Molokans. Maybe you can't find a wife who is Molokan, and that makes you bitter. I certainly know that is the case with at least one of the twins that post in here. The problem I have with you is really this.

 

If you detest Molokans and their traditions so much, why not simply shut up and go away then? Well...I can probably answer that one. Simple. You like hanging onto Molokanism for the socializing, and for the borscht. Simply as that.

 

That does not make you a Molokan. It makes you a hanger onner, as i call your type.

 

What I recommend is this. Come to church. Put your nickel on the table, say your prashatsa and go live your life of Benny Hinnism and Joel Osteenism. They are you messiah. Let the Molokans be better off without your kind making things worse.

 

 

Your post is a perfect example of what is going on today in Molokanism and I say today, not in the day of our christian forefathers.

 

You clearly are putting a couple of lines from Apostle Paul above the words of Jesus Christ?

 

Where is Jesus Christ in your post? Where is He in the churches? That is the ONLY problem. Why cannot people see that? Who has Jesus Christ became to the Molokans? Why is not, the condition of man talked about, and that God calls them to true repentance that He so chooses by thier hearts, not thier externals, and he does not call people to get caught up in doing things just as the Pharicees were doing?

 

WHY WOULD GOD CARE LESS ABOUT RUSSIAN SHIRTS AND A FOREIGN LANGUAGE ETC??

 

If Jesus Christ walked into a molokan church of today-Would people recognize Him? Would they cast Him out because He is not following Molokan Tradition? Would they sit him in the back because he is a "ne-nash." Honestly, think about it. Would you know Him and would He know you? What if you had to give up all your traditions of man to follow Him, would you? Well, that time is now, not when he returns.

 

If EVERYONE held on to their "Traditions" of thier forefathers, we would all be wearing figleaves.

 

Apostle Paul here also says something important.

Everything that Paul thought he was doing on his own to get closer to God were actually only for himself and keeping him further from God-He actually called the "Dung." (Cr ap). Paul said that.

 

Phillipians 3

7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

 

8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

 

11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

 

12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus

 

Anything that pushes Jesus Christ further and further away is not of God and is man's dung made manifest.

 

Honestly, I think everyone on here including myself pray that Benny Him and Joel Oesteen come to accept Jesus Christ one day and be able to preach to all the have that watch. And if that happened some day, I would watch them and you know why? It's because I like to listen to Christians that I can understand. It's a very simple concept.

 

I am very leary for obvious reasons about going to churches that speak foreign Languages. Hinn and Osteen speak english, and that is why it's easy to pick out their falsness.

What would happen if the Molokons of today started to speak in English? They would be exposed.

 

Many say that, the molokan 'faith,' would be ruined if they started speaking in English? I agree. because it would expose what's being preached and being said. BUT, with them hanging onto Russian it allready HAS been ruined. Jesus Christ is not preached.

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

 

PO,

 

all you have said simply points to your ignorance of the Molokan language, not that it is inherently bad or stifling of faith. Instead, you take the easy way out and like most of society, condemn that which you do not understand. That is simply called ignorance. Nothing more and nothing less. You act ignorant of facts and are belittling sometimes. Hey...no need to get hoity toity with me either. I understand a little about human psychology and how the mind functions, so I've got you covered there.

 

Next, Christ is preached in the Molokan churches all the time. My biggest peeve is that they never move on from the milk to the meat. Cmon now, the bible tells us to do this. But you like SP and others all want to focus on the cross yadda yadda.

 

Time to grow into adulthood and move on to spiritual things.

 

Also, Who is talking about Russian shirts and the language anyway. The traditions being spoken of are the traditions of our forefathers, the way in that they gave their lives because of the Christ they believed in so much. It's not that we are to idolize them or make martyrs out of them per se, but rather to use their faith as an example of how we should believe on high.

 

I might add that God says it is good to hold onto our faith...in the way that services are held etc. The form of thing if you will. This "form" or manner in which things are done is good and a type of glue that holds people together despite what people like yourself are trying to accomplish.

 

[Guest anonymouse]

IV

 

Now you call it the "Molokan Language?" :-)

 

That's a new one. I can understand as much as some of the speakers. Others on here know it quite well. The thing is, no one should have to know it. It's a prerequisite to be part of the team? That's ubsurd. No matter what Scripture you use, you cannot Justify it. If someone came out and said change to English, they would shut them down because they would have nothing to hang on to.

 

Talking about and saying Jesus Christ once in a while in Russian means nothing here in America.

 

What's scary is that some people act as though these "special" things give them a earthly high. They haven't a clue what is going on with the Flock, except for the ones who question nothing.

 

If you don't feel the cross yadda yadda is important-that's Ok, this is America and you can praise a language and a book. That is NOT the Milk. Molokans of today think that traditions and MGR are the meat? I am not accountable for them that beleive that way. Our fore-fathers were not bigots and hypicrits and racist and supreme etc..Wow- One would never know-molokans of today imulate them perfect.

 

There are two Korean churches near my house- One about 5 houses away. The other (Grace Ministries) about 3 blocks from here. Awesome Brothers and Sisters. I wonder if God is mad that the have services in English and Korean? How dare they break tradition and allow Ne-Nash in. How dare they make sure that all can hear the sermon. Grace Ministries has earphones to listen to the sermon as someone translates at the same time. They have english AND Korean and I believe Spanish services. They are SO wrong because they fullfill thier duties and thier positions according to Scripture. BUT they both have crosses so, that means their wordly filthy christians and they eat pork I think too, so of course they are going to hell. At least thats what I heard all my life. Also, they are nice to you and make sure you are comfortable and introduce you to people. You can talk about Jesus with the Pastors and Elders. BUT, that's right, their Jesus is a false God because He is God.

 

IV, if you think forvetta is a/ your hero and speaks and worships with "Meat." You need to become vegatarian.

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

 

 

 

 

Great points guest guest!

 

Even before I was called to Jesus and was still a practicing sinner "trying" to reach God through learning songs and the Language and mostly hanging out with Molokans I struggled with the idea about if this belief is the ONLY way, why is no one going out and preaching "thier way"? It that was true way, than all lot of people would have mills-stones around their necks. Even with-OUT the Spirit it was was easily discerned because that theory is not of the Spirit but of man.

 

I recently heard an "elder" talking to two JW women that came to the door. The elder said that "our faith" and "ways" will be taught to ALL the other so called "Christians" around the world during a Paxod in some land that the devil doesn't know about.

Why would other real Christians want to be part of something that hates them now? I say hate because it not Love.I give so much more respect to them who come to the doors in twos to share thier gospel. They know that's the True Scriptural way. If molokanism is the only true way or something special, they are now doing a great job of hiding it under a bushel. The more the truth about our fore-fathers that comes out and how they were Christians at one time with a deep first Love for Jesus Christ, the more sense it makes why Molokanism is in the shape it's in; Looks good on the outside, but not in the inside

1 Samuel 16

7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

I was watching The Gospel Of Matthew last night on DVD. When it came to Chapter 23 the words "leaped" out of the screen!

 

Matthew 23

Seven Woes

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

 

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

 

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

 

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

 

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

 

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

 

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

 

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

 

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

 

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

 

37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'[d]"

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

From what you heard?

 

You don't know for yourself?

 

How do you know what's false or Truth when you are making determinations based on hearsay?

 

You seem less than qualified to comment

 

 

Hey juan in a million. You don't know me, so stop making a judgement about what I know or believe. Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on. You on the other hand have far to many personalities to worry about anyone but yourself.

 

What gets me is that you all think he is speaking about MGR, when he's speaking about Jesus...the very same one you profess to believe in.

 

However, by your actions, you are follower of 666 or baal, who is a teacher of evil and sorcery and conjuring. He causes spite, vengeful attitudes and wanton hatred towards other people. The bible tells us to watch out for divisors such as you. You don't blend well.

 

Carry on.

 

Score another win for anger!

 

If you read fv's posts, you will notice that he dances around the issue, and never really says who, or what he believes in. He makes vailed,mystical responses all in the attempt to cause confussion. It's very simple, either you profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, or you don't!

 

If what fv professes is true, then why isn't it being preached to the whole world? Scripture tells us that the Gospel will be preached to the 4 corners of the earth. Is that being done by this small group that claim to have the truth?

 

God is not the author of confusion, yet in all of fv's posts, that's all that you get. God is not the author of hatred, yet in most of mgr's writings, that is what you get. Mgr preaches hatred, vengence for not following his edicts, retribution, and death for those that do not follow him. Read it for yourself, read the 14th book, see for yourself his anger towards his "spiritual" wives. Read for yourself the bounty that he puts on thier heads, rewarding those that would kill them. Read for yourself the depraved prayers for his matrimonial bed, then after reading all that, ask yourself, who is the follower of baal.

 

All one can do is give the message of the TRUE Gospel, the message of God's wrath towards the unfaithful, the message of Gods mercy towards those that worship Him. The message that we can not save ouselves, not by heritage, tradition, works, or anything else. The message that God has done for us, what we can not do for ourselves! After that, it's up to God to work in each individual as He sees fit.

 

There is no point in arguing, or belittling, or enciting others to anger! As a believer, we are representatives of Gods mercy, that if He was able to cleanse us of our filth, he is able to do the same for others! We are to deliver His good news with love, and compassion, not with malice, or strife in our hearts. For if we do so in that manner, we make a mockery of the Gospel!

 

 

Paul writes in the New Testament....from that book you claim to follow called the Bible.

 

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

 

and

 

Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you (1 Corinthians 11:2).

 

Paul also writes,

 

 

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17).

 

Hearing the word of God through faith in the spirit of truth comes from the Word of God, and not tradition, but yet Paul teaches us that our traditions are to be held onto.

 

You kids want to destroy that. You want to ruin everything that is Molokan, simply because you detest Molokans. Maybe you can't find a wife who is Molokan, and that makes you bitter. I certainly know that is the case with at least one of the twins that post in here. The problem I have with you is really this.

 

If you detest Molokans and their traditions so much, why not simply shut up and go away then? Well...I can probably answer that one. Simple. You like hanging onto Molokanism for the socializing, and for the borscht. Simply as that.

 

That does not make you a Molokan. It makes you a hanger onner, as i call your type.

 

What I recommend is this. Come to church. Put your nickel on the table, say your prashatsa and go live your life of Benny Hinnism and Joel Osteenism. They are you messiah. Let the Molokans be better off without your kind making things worse.

 

 

Your post is a perfect example of what is going on today in Molokanism and I say today, not in the day of our christian forefathers.

 

You clearly are putting a couple of lines from Apostle Paul above the words of Jesus Christ?

 

Where is Jesus Christ in your post? Where is He in the churches? That is the ONLY problem. Why cannot people see that? Who has Jesus Christ became to the Molokans? Why is not, the condition of man talked about, and that God calls them to true repentance that He so chooses by thier hearts, not thier externals, and he does not call people to get caught up in doing things just as the Pharicees were doing?

 

WHY WOULD GOD CARE LESS ABOUT RUSSIAN SHIRTS AND A FOREIGN LANGUAGE ETC??

 

If Jesus Christ walked into a molokan church of today-Would people recognize Him? Would they cast Him out because He is not following Molokan Tradition? Would they sit him in the back because he is a "ne-nash." Honestly, think about it. Would you know Him and would He know you? What if you had to give up all your traditions of man to follow Him, would you? Well, that time is now, not when he returns.

 

If EVERYONE held on to their "Traditions" of thier forefathers, we would all be wearing figleaves.

 

Apostle Paul here also says something important.

Everything that Paul thought he was doing on his own to get closer to God were actually only for himself and keeping him further from God-He actually called the "Dung." (Cr ap). Paul said that.

 

Phillipians 3

7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

 

8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

 

11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

 

12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus

 

Anything that pushes Jesus Christ further and further away is not of God and is man's dung made manifest.

 

Honestly, I think everyone on here including myself pray that Benny Him and Joel Oesteen come to accept Jesus Christ one day and be able to preach to all the have that watch. And if that happened some day, I would watch them and you know why? It's because I like to listen to Christians that I can understand. It's a very simple concept.

 

I am very leary for obvious reasons about going to churches that speak foreign Languages. Hinn and Osteen speak english, and that is why it's easy to pick out their falsness.

What would happen if the Molokons of today started to speak in English? They would be exposed.

 

Many say that, the molokan 'faith,' would be ruined if they started speaking in English? I agree. because it would expose what's being preached and being said. BUT, with them hanging onto Russian it allready HAS been ruined. Jesus Christ is not preached.

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

 

PO,

 

all you have said simply points to your ignorance of the Molokan language, not that it is inherently bad or stifling of faith. Instead, you take the easy way out and like most of society, condemn that which you do not understand. That is simply called ignorance. Nothing more and nothing less. You act ignorant of facts and are belittling sometimes. Hey...no need to get hoity toity with me either. I understand a little about human psychology and how the mind functions, so I've got you covered there.

 

Next, Christ is preached in the Molokan churches all the time. My biggest peeve is that they never move on from the milk to the meat. Cmon now, the bible tells us to do this. But you like SP and others all want to focus on the cross yadda yadda.

 

Time to grow into adulthood and move on to spiritual things.

 

Also, Who is talking about Russian shirts and the language anyway. The traditions being spoken of are the traditions of our forefathers, the way in that they gave their lives because of the Christ they believed in so much. It's not that we are to idolize them or make martyrs out of them per se, but rather to use their faith as an example of how we should believe on high.

 

I might add that God says it is good to hold onto our faith...in the way that services are held etc. The form of thing if you will. This "form" or manner in which things are done is good and a type of glue that holds people together despite what people like yourself are trying to accomplish.

 

 

Who is your reply to...me or IV?

 

I'm not sure how to respond.

[Guest Guest]

I might add that God says it is good to hold onto our faith...in the way that services are held etc. The form of thing if you will.

More Molokan non-Scriptural wackiness, as a matter of fact Scripture says the exact opposite of what you learned to spout from your Scripture ignorant elders, you are blind and are being lead by the blind.

 

Mic 6:6-8

6 With what shall I come before the Lord

and bow down before the exalted God?

Shall I come before him with burnt offerings,

with calves a year old?

7 Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams,

with ten thousand rivers of oil?

Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression,

the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

8 He has showed you, O man, what is good.

And what does the Lord require of you?

To act justly and to love mercy

and to walk humbly with your God.

 

Hos 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice,

and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

 

 

 

[Guest anonymouse]

I might add that God says it is good to hold onto our faith...in the way that services are held etc. The form of thing if you will.

More Molokan non-Scriptural wackiness, as a matter of fact Scripture says the exact opposite of what you learned to spout from your Scripture ignorant elders, you are blind and are being lead by the blind.

 

Mic 6:6-8

6 With what shall I come before the Lord

and bow down before the exalted God?

Shall I come before him with burnt offerings,

with calves a year old?

7 Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams,

with ten thousand rivers of oil?

Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression,

the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

8 He has showed you, O man, what is good.

And what does the Lord require of you?

To act justly and to love mercy

and to walk humbly with your God.

 

Hos 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice,

and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

 

Wow. No kidding. That's exactly how I believe. This simply shows how moronic this bantering back and forth really is. We don't have food in church because it's an offering. We have that simply because it allows us time to sing worship and praise songs to God, to have fellowship in Christ's name and hear some (hopefully) Holy Spirit inspired speeches. Church should not last only 5 minutes.

 

We are not sacrificing anything. We are the sacrifice. We bring ourselves humbly to the church. We are the offering before God, comitting our flesh to Him and receiving back our spiritual selves to protect us from non believers and those who would kill God's people.

 

Wake up.

[Guest guest]

We have that simply because it allows us time to sing worship and praise songs to God, to have fellowship in Christ's name and hear some (hopefully) Holy Spirit inspired speeches.

Which god do you worship, you have so many that you sing to? Your Molokan christ comes in another name and the Molokan spirit you can not prove with Scripture.

 

Molokans are saved through works.

Furthermore my brothers and sisters, it is not faith alone that will save a man, but it is necessary to show works Book 4 Article 3 Verse 1 pg 271,

 

also page 741 prayer #13 Here let each one heed, do this well and willingly, for it is true that through such community prayers and fasts with offerings (works), God the father himself personally is generous towards all the dead. And likewise therein all the living shall receive salvation for it. …..

 

Bk. 14 Art. 14 Ver. 20 The body of the righteous soul at this time, because of its good works, will be transformed and sanctified in the image of his Creator. ……

 

11 In which you will feel completely satiated, namely in prayers, fasts, alms and truth; along with the reading of the divine Word and wholeheartedly singing of songs of the Lord. 12 Such conduct will be admissible to the soul in the kingdom of the Lord- all others will be isolated to the devil and infinite torment! Amen DY 67-11:12….

 

And the gentiles, our workers for the millennium, will also settle all together straight in his holy camp and beloved city (formerly) ours because of their labors on our behalf. Page 609.11

 

Anonymouse, you put your faith in a spirit that leads you to worship other gods.

 

[Guest Huh?]

Admin, is it possible to limit the number of quotes in each post? You have one post that takes nearly the whole page with just the quotes, it gets rather cumbersome.. Thanks.

[Guest anonymouse]

We have that simply because it allows us time to sing worship and praise songs to God, to have fellowship in Christ's name and hear some (hopefully) Holy Spirit inspired speeches.

Which god do you worship, you have so many that you sing to? Your Molokan christ comes in another name and the Molokan spirit you can not prove with Scripture.

 

Molokans are saved through works.

Furthermore my brothers and sisters, it is not faith alone that will save a man, but it is necessary to show works Book 4 Article 3 Verse 1 pg 271,

 

also page 741 prayer #13 Here let each one heed, do this well and willingly, for it is true that through such community prayers and fasts with offerings (works), God the father himself personally is generous towards all the dead. And likewise therein all the living shall receive salvation for it. …..

 

Bk. 14 Art. 14 Ver. 20 The body of the righteous soul at this time, because of its good works, will be transformed and sanctified in the image of his Creator. ……

 

11 In which you will feel completely satiated, namely in prayers, fasts, alms and truth; along with the reading of the divine Word and wholeheartedly singing of songs of the Lord. 12 Such conduct will be admissible to the soul in the kingdom of the Lord- all others will be isolated to the devil and infinite torment! Amen DY 67-11:12….

 

And the gentiles, our workers for the millennium, will also settle all together straight in his holy camp and beloved city (formerly) ours because of their labors on our behalf. Page 609.11

 

Anonymouse, you put your faith in a spirit that leads you to worship other gods.

 

 

God has struck thee down through His Living Word. Hallelujah Almighty!

 

James 2

 

14 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,

 

16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

 

17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

 

18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."

 

19 You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

 

20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

 

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?

 

22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;

 

23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.

 

24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

 

25 In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?

 

26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

 

 

You have failed through your own man made wrods again. God is watching you...

 

By the way....you mean to say that you don't consider yourself a gentile? You really need to research your lineage...unless you're part Jewish?

 

Personally, I'd rather be a gentile....God favored them.

 

 

[Guest guest]

We have that simply because it allows us time to sing worship and praise songs to God, to have fellowship in Christ's name and hear some (hopefully) Holy Spirit inspired speeches.

Which god do you worship, you have so many that you sing to? Your Molokan christ comes in another name and the Molokan spirit you can not prove with Scripture.

 

Molokans are saved through works.

Furthermore my brothers and sisters, it is not faith alone that will save a man, but it is necessary to show works Book 4 Article 3 Verse 1 pg 271,

 

also page 741 prayer #13 Here let each one heed, do this well and willingly, for it is true that through such community prayers and fasts with offerings (works), God the father himself personally is generous towards all the dead. And likewise therein all the living shall receive salvation for it. …..

 

Bk. 14 Art. 14 Ver. 20 The body of the righteous soul at this time, because of its good works, will be transformed and sanctified in the image of his Creator. ……

 

11 In which you will feel completely satiated, namely in prayers, fasts, alms and truth; along with the reading of the divine Word and wholeheartedly singing of songs of the Lord. 12 Such conduct will be admissible to the soul in the kingdom of the Lord- all others will be isolated to the devil and infinite torment! Amen DY 67-11:12….

 

And the gentiles, our workers for the millennium, will also settle all together straight in his holy camp and beloved city (formerly) ours because of their labors on our behalf. Page 609.11

 

Anonymouse, you put your faith in a spirit that leads you to worship other gods.

 

 

God has struck thee down through His Living Word. Hallelujah Almighty!

 

James 2

 

14 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,

 

16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

 

17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

 

18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."

 

19 You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

 

20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

 

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?

 

22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;

 

23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.

 

24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

 

25 In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?

 

26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

 

 

You have failed through your own man made wrods again. God is watching you...

 

By the way....you mean to say that you don't consider yourself a gentile? You really need to research your lineage...unless you're part Jewish?

 

Personally, I'd rather be a gentile....God favored them.

You are a nenash that worships 5 gods, God of the World-King of Spirits, Naraftan, Assur-Assyrian War god, Par- the bull god and Horis the sun god. S&L page 704, 537 v7&9, 710 V

 

[Guest anonymouse]

You are a nenash that worships 5 gods, God of the World-King of Spirits, Naraftan, Assur-Assyrian War god, Par- the bull god and Horis the sun god. S&L page 704, 537 v7&9, 710 V

 

How do you figure that I worship those things?

 

I think that you internet trolls are absolutely ridiculous. I worship God...the one true living God of the Bible, the one that gave His only begotten Son to save the world from sin and the very same one that sent the Holy Spirit down to us for strength and comfort.

 

I will not go any further with you on this matter however, because I do not cast my pearls to the swine...such as yourself.

 

To me, it sounds like you need the demons inside of you to be exorcised.

 

Try actually reading the bible. It'll scare the hell right out of you.

[Guest Guest]

You are a nenash that worships 5 gods, God of the World-King of Spirits, Naraftan, Assur-Assyrian War god, Par- the bull god and Horis the sun god. S&L page 704, 537 v7&9, 710 V

 

How do you figure that I worship those things? Guilty through association Scripture says, these gods are given a place of prominence in every Molokan church, you praise these gods in song, prayer, procedure, speeches and give the works of satan a place of honor in your church.

 

I think that you internet trolls are absolutely ridiculous. I worship God...the one true living God of the Bible, the one that gave His only begotten Son to save the world from sin and the very same one that sent the Holy Spirit down to us for strength and comfort. The one True Living God of the Bible is not available to you, you claim virginity after sleeping with the false christ, through this web site you have been made fully aware of your perverted beliefs, a virgin bride for Jesus Christ you will never be.

 

I will not go any further with you on this matter however, because I do not cast my pearls to the swine...such as yourself. You have no substantive rebuttal.

 

To me, it sounds like you need the demons inside of you to be exorcised. Start with the spirit compromised alter in your church.

 

Try actually reading the bible. It'll scare the hell right out of you. It did! That's why I left the religion, so I could keep the Faith.

Molokans are polytheists. (more that one god) None of your 5 gods are mentioned in the Holy Bible, why is that?, 3 of these molokan worshiped gods can be found in mythological references, why is that?

 

Will you explain the flying sun god drawing at the top of S&L page 706?

 

OK, let me guess, you don't want to pursue this dialogue with me any more, right? That's an elder cop out!

[Guest anonymouse]

You are a nenash that worships 5 gods, God of the World-King of Spirits, Naraftan, Assur-Assyrian War Ffîvlø|ar- the bull god and Horis the sun god. S&L page 704, 537 v7&9, 710 V

 

How do you figure that I worship those things? Guilty through association Scripture says, these gods are given a place of prominence in every Molokan church, you praise these gods in song, prayer, procedure, speeches and give the works of satan a place of honor in your church.

 

I think that you internet trolls are absolutely ridiculous. I worship God...the one true living God of the Bible, the one that gave His only begotten Son to save the world from sin and the very same one that sent the Holy Spirit down to us for strength and comfort. The one True Living God of the Bible is not available to you, you claim virginity after sleeping with the false christ, through this web site you have been made fully aware of your perverted beliefs, a virgin bride for Jesus Christ you will never be.

 

I will not go any further with you on this matter however, because I do not cast my pearls to the swine...such as yourself. You have no substantive rebuttal.

 

To me, it sounds like you need the demons inside of you to be exorcised. Start with the spirit compromised alter in your church.

 

Try actually reading the bible. It'll scare the hell right out of you. It did! That's why I left the religion, so I could keep the Faith.

Molokans are polytheists. (more that one god) None of your 5 gods are mentioned in the Holy Bible, why is that?, 3 of these molokan worshiped gods can be found in mythological references, why is that?

 

Will you explain the flying sun god drawing at the top of S&L page 706?

 

OK, let me guess, you don't want to pursue this dialogue with me any more, right? That's an elder cop out!

 

I don't really understand what your point is.

 

I have told you what I believe.

 

Did you miss that part? I don't worship MGR.

 

I worship God in the spirit of truth and pray in Jesus name and receive the Holy Spirit from on high.

 

Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

You sound more wacky than any of those who accept MGR. Makes me want to

[Guest Guest]

I don't really understand what your point is.

I have told you what I believe.

Did you miss that part? I don't worship MGR.

I worship God in the spirit of truth and pray in Jesus name and receive the Holy Spirit from on high.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

You sound more wacky than any of those who accept MGR. Makes me want to

 

This is all I need to know about you.

Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on.

You can not sit at the table of the Lord and the table of demons too.

 

 

I worship God in the spirit of truth and pray in Jesus name and receive the Holy Spirit from on high.

You have been fooled into thinking so. You can not prove your opinion with Scripture.

 

1 Cor 10:21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons. NIV

[Guest Guest]

I don't really understand what your point is. I don't worship MGR.

Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on.

You are in agreement with Fourvetta who worships MGR and you say you don't. My point is; Molokans and Fourvetta worship in one form or another at various times five gods not found in the Holy Bible. Deut 13:6-8 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him.

 

Judg 10:14 Go and cry out to the gods you have chosen. Let them save you when you are in trouble!"

 

Ex 23:13 "Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips.

 

Deut 18:20, 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

 

Attention New Israel, no place to run, no place to hide.

 

 

[Guest lovelybones]

I don't really understand what your point is. I don't worship MGR.

Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on.

You are in agreement with Fourvetta who worships MGR and you say you don't. My point is; Molokans and Fourvetta worship in one form or another at various times five gods not found in the Holy Bible. Deut 13:6-8 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him.

 

Judg 10:14 Go and cry out to the gods you have chosen. Let them save you when you are in trouble!"

 

Ex 23:13 "Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips.

 

Deut 18:20, 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

 

Attention New Israel, no place to run, no place to hide.

 

Psalms 82

 

1 God takes His stand in His own congregation;

He judges in the midst of the rulers.

2 How long will you judge unjustly

And show partiality to the wicked? Selah.

3 Vindicate the weak and fatherless;

Do justice to the afflicted and destitute.

4 Rescue the weak and needy;

Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They do not know nor do they understand;

They walk about in darkness;

All the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 I said, "You are gods,

And all of you are sons of the Most High.

7 "Nevertheless you will die like men

And fall like any one of the princes."

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth!

For it is You who possesses all the nations.

[Guest guest]

I didn't understand how your response relates to molokans worshiping other gods, five molokan worshiped gods have been discovered so far, and why "Christian" molokans haven't gone ballistic with the church elders.

[NAD923 0]

I don't really understand what your point is. I don't worship MGR.

Scripturally, fourvetta is spot on.

You are in agreement with Fourvetta who worships MGR and you say you don't. My point is; Molokans and Fourvetta worship in one form or another at various times five gods not found in the Holy Bible. Deut 13:6-8 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him.

 

Judg 10:14 Go and cry out to the gods you have chosen. Let them save you when you are in trouble!"

 

Ex 23:13 "Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips.

 

Deut 18:20, 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

 

Attention New Israel, no place to run, no place to hide.

 

Psalms 82

 

1 God takes His stand in His own congregation;

He judges in the midst of the rulers.

2 How long will you judge unjustly

And show partiality to the wicked? Selah.

3 Vindicate the weak and fatherless;

Do justice to the afflicted and destitute.

4 Rescue the weak and needy;

Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They do not know nor do they understand;

They walk about in darkness;

All the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 I said, "You are gods,

And all of you are sons of the Most High.

7 "Nevertheless you will die like men

And fall like any one of the princes."

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth!

For it is You who possesses all the nations.

 

 

NICE!!!

Some more like this and we might be getting somewhere!

[Guest anonymouse]

I didn't understand how your response relates to molokans worshiping other gods, five molokan worshiped gods have been discovered so far, and why "Christian" molokans haven't gone ballistic with the church elders.

 

Probably because no one sees the invisible little demons floating around the time-space continuum like you do.

 

But seriously...no, seriously.

[Guest guest]

NICE!!! Some more like this and we might be getting somewhere!

Since you understand, then you could explain the relevance of lovelybones's post, how it relates to Fourvetta and Molokans having other gods in their belief system?

What is the meaning of Novi Abratt?

What is Rudometkin's greeting actually saying, how do you know who ultimately gets glorified?

 

[Guest Guest]

Lovelybones, Regarding your post #32, I didn't understand how your response relates to molokans worshiping other gods.

 

Psalms 82

 

1 God takes His stand in His own congregation;

He judges in the midst of the rulers.

2 How long will you judge unjustly

And show partiality to the wicked? Selah.

3 Vindicate the weak and fatherless;

Do justice to the afflicted and destitute.

4 Rescue the weak and needy;

Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They do not know nor do they understand;

They walk about in darkness;

All the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 I said, "You are gods,

And all of you are sons of the Most High.

7 "Nevertheless you will die like men

And fall like any one of the princes."

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth!

For it is You who possesses all the nations.

[Guest El Scorcho Grande]

It's OK for Molokans to have many gods because Maxcim said so, right....... And after all he is kind of like another god right..... Nenash cannot handle more than one God so they must be inferior, only a Molokan who really accepts the S&L can divine which gods are good and OK to give glory to.

 

 

So are you guys actually trying to say that Jesus was teaching preschool and Maxcim was teaching the college level courses? The teaching and example of the one who came down to save us is for the uninitiated, while the ramblngs of one who was either mentally ill or possessed by demons is reserved for the elect. All of this just so that you can feel superior and keep your precious bloodline. That's some bargain, but you know what they say about deals with the devil, they aren't bad until the final payment.

[Guest anonymouse]

It's OK for Molokans to have many gods because Maxcim said so, right....... And after all he is kind of like another god right..... Nenash cannot handle more than one God so they must be inferior, only a Molokan who really accepts the S&L can divine which gods are good and OK to give glory to.

 

 

So are you guys actually trying to say that Jesus was teaching preschool and Maxcim was teaching the college level courses? The teaching and example of the one who came down to save us is for the uninitiated, while the ramblngs of one who was either mentally ill or possessed by demons is reserved for the elect. All of this just so that you can feel superior and keep your precious bloodline. That's some bargain, but you know what they say about deals with the devil, they aren't bad until the final payment.

 

You guys are all right. You can come to my church anytime, because I am sure that 80 percent of them believe just like you...floating to and fro like leaves in the wind with your fantasies of religious doctrine and dogma without any particular direction.

 

God tells us that we are all like gods but I doubt He meant for us to worship one another. In the new testament we are called high priests. However, I don't think God was referring to unbelievers like yourselves who worship a diety that resembles Christ, but teaches its followers to hate and ridicule one another and mock everyone who doesn't get in line with you.

 

I don't want to follow you. You'll end up leading my off the side of a cliff like the swine that had the demons cast into them. You can keep your false faith in a false messiah. You are probably still awaiting the trumpets in the sky...or maybe a little rapture for you today?

 

[Nick Shubin 0]

You guys are all right. You can come to my church anytime, because I am sure that 80 percent of them believe just like you...floating to and fro like leaves in the wind with your fantasies of religious doctrine and dogma without any particular direction.

 

God tells us that we are all like gods but I doubt He meant for us to worship one another. In the new testament we are called high priests. However, I don't think God was referring to unbelievers like yourselves who worship a diety that resembles Christ, but teaches its followers to hate and ridicule one another and mock everyone who doesn't get in line with you.

 

I don't want to follow you. You'll end up leading my off the side of a cliff like the swine that had the demons cast into them. You can keep your false faith in a false messiah. You are probably still awaiting the trumpets in the sky...or maybe a little rapture for you today?

 

So, please, share with us what exactly it is that you believe.

 

For me, it's not hard.

 

I believe in the Godhead, that is one, but has seperate and distinct personages.

 

I believe that Christ was concieved of the Holy Spirit, and of His virgin birth.

 

I believe that i can not save myself through works, tradition, lineage, language, clothing.

 

I believe that Christ was the final, perfect sacrifice, that he arose on the third day, and has cleansed me of my sin.

 

I believe that God's Holy Spirit dwells in me, and convicts me to do the things that are right, and pleasing to the Father.

 

These statements that i made are easy to make, because my mind is not clouded by holding on to a myriad of different theologies that most do.

 

So, what about you, what do you believe?

 

 

[NAD923 0]

NICE!!! Some more like this and we might be getting somewhere!

Since you understand, then you could explain the relevance of lovelybones's post, how it relates to Fourvetta and Molokans having other gods in their belief system?

What is the meaning of Novi Abratt?

What is Rudometkin's greeting actually saying, how do you know who ultimately gets glorified?

 

 

YOU said molkans worship other gods!

YOU found some words that sounded LIKE the ones used by MGR!

YOU made them into gods!

 

"Tell a lie long enough, and YOU start to believe it!

 

YOU are the ones bowing to the CROSS!

YOU are the ones bowing to a book!

 

So don't give me that bs about HOW I worship!

 

If you don't like it po and find your own hole!

I like the one I'm in.

 

I came on this site to be inspired by the word of God,

maybe find something I've missed.

All I've found here is hate and disrespect for anybody that wants to venture out side of the "66" books.

YOU need to have a look at your self not me.

(This is not a dig at you, I'm speaking collectively)

[Guest El Scorcho Grande]

Please don't follow me or anyone else who is human, follow only Christ, but to do that you will need to know who he is, please crack open the Bible if you are honest with your study, you will learn all you will need to know.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Isn't it time to take responability for your faith and know what you believe and why?

 

molokans do worship other gods or idols

 

The language, endogemy, food, clothing etc... are all idols

 

mgr and his minions have been telling lies all along and they are so ingrained you cannot think for yourself or are afraid to

 

I do not nor have I ever bowed to anyone or anything made by man yet you all bow to each other just in case one of you might be a "Messiah"

 

You do not worhip in Spirt nor in Truth because you do not know the Truth as found in the Bible

 

You have a hodge-podge of beliefs cobbled together based upon the religion of men and you're too lazy to crack open a Bible and see if any of it is true

 

It's not about venturing outside the 66 books rather anyone who ventures in who advocates another way not found in the BIBLE

 

All mgr's writings glorify a wicked man who, based upon his writings, DID NOT know Jesus nor have a saving faith

 

You're headed in the SAME direction

 

YOU said molkans worship other gods!

YOU found some words that sounded LIKE the ones used by MGR!

YOU made them into gods!

 

"Tell a lie long enough, and YOU start to believe it!

 

YOU are the ones bowing to the CROSS!

YOU are the ones bowing to a book!

 

So don't give me that bs about HOW I worship!

 

If you don't like it po and find your own hole!

I like the one I'm in.

 

I came on this site to be inspired by the word of God,

maybe find something I've missed.

All I've found here is hate and disrespect for anybody that wants to venture out side of the "66" books.

YOU need to have a look at your self not me.

(This is not a dig at you, I'm speaking collectively)

[stevepiv 0]

I came on this site to be inspired by the word of God,

maybe find something I've missed.

 

Maybe you are finding it, and it hurts to realize that you were fed lies by your elders. And, that at your current church, you have a known maximist preacher who does pray in the name of maxim, and who does elevate him to something more.

 

NAD, you are getting faced with the Truth found in Scripture and comparing that to the lies found in the S&L.

 

Many on here understand the years of brainwashing that has been done and it hurts to come to the realization that the lineage, language, the S&L, blood-line, pointing the chainiki, making sure you have a hankie on hand... are Rubbish and have no saving power.

 

NAD-You said this:

 

"Tell a lie long enough, and YOU start to believe it!

 

Well in many cases, if you hear a lie long enough you start to believe it. You have been brainwashed with the S&L and a racist mentality.

 

 

Do you realize what you said:

 

So don't give me that bs about HOW I worship!

If you don't like it po and find your own hole!

I like the one I'm in.

 

You really don't like the hole you are in.

 

 

[Guest Guest_somebody_*]

I came on this site to be inspired by the word of God,

maybe find something I've missed.

 

Maybe you are finding it, and it hurts to realize that you were fed lies by your elders. And, that at your current church, you have a known maximist preacher who does pray in the name of maxim, and who does elevate him to something more.

 

NAD, you are getting faced with the Truth found in Scripture and comparing that to the lies found in the S&L.

 

Many on here understand the years of brainwashing that has been done and it hurts to come to the realization that the lineage, language, the S&L, blood-line, pointing the chainiki, making sure you have a hankie on hand... are Rubbish and have no saving power.

 

NAD-You said this:

 

"Tell a lie long enough, and YOU start to believe it!

 

Well in many cases, if you hear a lie long enough you start to believe it. You have been brainwashed with the S&L and a racist mentality.

 

 

Do you realize what you said:

 

So don't give me that bs about HOW I worship!

If you don't like it po and find your own hole!

I like the one I'm in.

 

You really don't like the hole you are in.

 

Stevey,

 

I feel sorry for you...

 

 

But dont worry, ill be praying for you!

[Nick Shubin 0]

Stevey,

 

I feel sorry for you...

 

 

But dont worry, ill be praying for you!

 

But who will you be praying to? Who will be your intercesor?

[NAD923 0]

Please don't follow me or anyone else who is human, follow only Christ, but to do that you will need to know who he is, please crack open the Bible if you are honest with your study, you will learn all you will need to know.

 

After studying the bible and S&L for the last 30 years,

it has shown me that what you(s) are saying is not what my bible says.

[Guest Guest]

Please don't follow me or anyone else who is human, follow only Christ, but to do that you will need to know who he is, please crack open the Bible if you are honest with your study, you will learn all you will need to know.

 

After studying the bible and S&L for the last 30 years,

it has shown me that what you(s) are saying is not what my bible says.

"Witch" version do you have?

 

[stevepiv 0]

After studying the bible and S&L for the last 30 years,

it has shown me that what you(s) are saying is not what my bible says.

 

The bolded and underlined item has clouded your way of thinking and clouded your understanding of the True Message found in the Bible.

 

And, your writing of not using a upper case letter for Bible, but for the s&l shows where your loyalty is.

 

You prefer the praises of men, front row positions, hearing how "special" molokans are, hearing that only we have the "the truth"...

[stevepiv 0]

Stevey,

 

I feel sorry for you...

 

 

But dont worry, ill be praying for you!

 

In whose Name do you ask and pray?

 

What are you praying for???

 

 

[NAD923 0]

After studying the bible and S&L for the last 30 years,

it has shown me that what you(s) are saying is not what my bible says.

 

The bolded and underlined item has clouded your way of thinking and clouded your understanding of the True Message found in the Bible.

 

And, your writing of not using a upper case letter for Bible, but for the s&l shows where your loyalty is.

 

You prefer the praises of men, front row positions, hearing how "special" molokans are, hearing that only we have the "the truth"...

 

Sorry you got that wrong, that was just a typo. (Look up "BIBLE" on the net and see all the different types of books they call "bible")

 

To me, they are both the word of God!

 

After all these years I would prefer to sit in the back row. Have a rest!

[Guest guest]

After studying the bible and S&L for the last 30 years,

it has shown me that what you(s) are saying is not what my bible says.

 

The bolded and underlined item has clouded your way of thinking and clouded your understanding of the True Message found in the Bible.

 

And, your writing of not using a upper case letter for Bible, but for the s&l shows where your loyalty is.

 

You prefer the praises of men, front row positions, hearing how "special" molokans are, hearing that only we have the "the truth"...

 

Sorry you got that wrong, that was just a typo. (Look up "BIBLE" on the net and see all the different types of books they call "bible")

 

To me, they are both the word of God!

 

After all these years I would prefer to sit in the back row. Have a rest!

Nad talks without the walk, common cult practice.

 

[NAD923 0]

After studying the bible and S&L for the last 30 years,

it has shown me that what you(s) are saying is not what my bible says.

 

The bolded and underlined item has clouded your way of thinking and clouded your understanding of the True Message found in the Bible.

 

And, your writing of not using a upper case letter for Bible, but for the s&l shows where your loyalty is.

 

You prefer the praises of men, front row positions, hearing how "special" molokans are, hearing that only we have the "the truth"...

 

Sorry you got that wrong, that was just a typo. (Look up "BIBLE" on the net and see all the different types of books they call "bible")

 

To me, they are both the word of God!

 

After all these years I would prefer to sit in the back row. Have a rest!

Nad talks without the walk, common cult practice.

 

Yes, sorry that I'm in a wheelchair!

[Nick Shubin 0]

YOU are the ones bowing to the CROSS!

YOU are the ones bowing to a book!

 

Like many others, you mock what you don't understand. We don't bow to the cross, but to a believer the cross does have meaning! The cross is where the final sacrifice took place. The cross is where Christs precious blood was spilled, so that all of us un-worthy creatures could be washed clean. But, as in all things, scripture tells us about those that do not believe. From 1st Corrinthians ch 1

 

18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,

 

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,

and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”

 

20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

Do any of you maximist scholars read the Bible?

[LTTBT 0]

YOU are the ones bowing to the CROSS!

YOU are the ones bowing to a book!

 

Like many others, you mock what you don't understand. We don't bow to the cross, but to a believer the cross does have meaning! The cross is where the final sacrifice took place. The cross is where Christs precious blood was spilled, so that all of us un-worthy creatures could be washed clean. But, as in all things, scripture tells us about those that do not believe. From 1st Corrinthians ch 1

 

18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,

 

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,

and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”

 

20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

Do any of you maximist scholars read the Bible?

 

 

The cross is just that....a cross,a piece of tree (that God created by the way) and the means to which my Savior, The Sacrafice done once for all, was accomplished. It is a reminder to me of the price that no one but Jesus could have paid for the wretched person that I am. The cross is where the ultimate show of Love happened. The cross is where the power of God was shown to those being saved.

Do I bow to the cross, not in any way, because my Savior and Lord Jesus the Christ is not there, he is alive and sitting at the right hand of God on my behalf. Because I am unclean, Jesus is the only one that is able to represent me in the presence of God.

 

[GoodDay 0]

YOU are the ones bowing to the CROSS!

YOU are the ones bowing to a book!

 

Like many others, you mock what you don't understand. We don't bow to the cross, but to a believer the cross does have meaning! The cross is where the final sacrifice took place. The cross is where Christs precious blood was spilled, so that all of us un-worthy creatures could be washed clean. But, as in all things, scripture tells us about those that do not believe. From 1st Corrinthians ch 1

 

18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,

 

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,

and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”

 

20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

Do any of you maximist scholars read the Bible?

 

 

The cross is just that....a cross,a piece of tree (that God created by the way) and the means to which my Savior, The Sacrafice done once for all, was accomplished. It is a reminder to me of the price that no one but Jesus could have paid for the wretched person that I am. The cross is where the ultimate show of Love happened. The cross is where the power of God was shown to those being saved.

Do I bow to the cross, not in any way, because my Savior and Lord Jesus the Christ is not there, he is alive and sitting at the right hand of God on my behalf. Because I am unclean, Jesus is the only one that is able to represent me in the presence of God.

 

Amen Brothers!

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Please don't follow me or anyone else who is human, follow only Christ, but to do that you will need to know who he is, please crack open the Bible if you are honest with your study, you will learn all you will need to know.

 

YUP !