Russian Dissenters

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FREDERICK C. CONYBEARE

HONORARY FELLOW

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, OXFORD

1921

 

Here's a copy for your review

 

russian_dissenters.pdf

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From Page 8

 

The third group is the Khlysty or flagellants, of which the

Skoptsy or self-emasculators are an offshoot, dated by Ivanovski

at the middle of the XVIIth Century, though he admits their

origin to be obscure and that some features of their teaching

go back to remote antiquity, to paganism and old Christian

heresies. They were never, like the Old ritualists, champions

of externals, of the letter, nor like the Molokanye, of the human

reason; but are mystics, that is creatures of irresponsible

feeling, believing in the immediate relationship of man to God

to the extent of accounting themselves Gods, Christs, Prophets,

divinely born, soothsayers. These sects enshroud themselves

in almost impenetrable secrecy, but in presence of strangers

call themselves orthodox Christians.

 

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The Molokani, since 1905 have issued a monthly at Tiflis called Dukhovnyi Khristianin or "Spiritual Christian."

 

Interesting that since komar's (rudometkin's) influence they really began identifying with the khlyst teachings of mgr

 

It appears 21st century molokanism IS NOT molokan but an offshoot known as "Spiritual Christians"

 

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1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

Most molokan churches have spiritual christian in thier titles.

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1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

Most molokan churches have spiritual christian in thier titles.

You have not offered any historical documentation to support your opinion.

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1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

 

Russian historians, 2 of them being specifically Mel'nikov and Ding'lshtedt, wrote about Makcim Komar, who changed his name to Rudometkin, in the period of 1830-1850.

 

The theory about Petro Levonitch is pure wishful thinking, and another excuse that the Rudometkinites use to perpetuate the dishonesty about the legend of their "christ" and "king of spirits", to whom they sing praises and jump enthusiastically while exalting his name during church services, from songs that are in the Russian "pesnyik", which are in virtually every "Molokan" church here in America.

 

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1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

 

Russian historians, 2 of them being specifically Mel'nikov and Ding'lshtedt, wrote about Makcim Komar, who changed his name to Rudometkin, in the period of 1830-1850.

 

The theory about Petro Levonitch is pure wishful thinking, and another excuse that the Rudometkinites use to perpetuate the dishonesty about the legend of their "christ" and "king of spirits", to whom they sing praises and jump enthusiastically while exalting his name during church services, from songs that are in the Russian "pesnyik", which are in virtually every "Molokan" church here in America.

 

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Let's not forget the capitain emelian conspiracy theory either!

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Sorry for the clarity of the copy

 

That's actually 1833 not 1883 making rudi approximately in his early 20

 

1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

Most molokan churches have spiritual christian in thier titles.

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Where did you find this(insert), its not in the "russian dissenters (?)

 

 

Sorry for the clarity of the copy

 

That's actually 1833 not 1883 making rudi approximately in his early 20

 

1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

Most molokan churches have spiritual christian in thier titles.

 

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You are correct...

 

That can be found in Cyclopaedia of Biblical, theological, and ecclesiastical literature, Volume 2

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=DTErAAAAY...kin&f=false

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'NAD923' date='Feb 1 2010, 01:01 AM' post='47308']

Most molokan churches have spiritual christian in thier titles.

 

With this logic, you would fit right in at "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints."

 

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To the top

 

Please download and read for yourself

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To the top

 

Please download and read for yourself

 

An eye-opening read!

 

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Excerpt from Cyclopaedia of Biblical, theological, and ecclesiastical literature, Volume 2

 

 

spiritual "christians"?

 

There certainly is a spirit but it's not of God

 

By the way, according to this book, rudometkin IS komar AND nad IS wrong

 

1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

Most molokan churches have spiritual christian in thier titles.

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Excerpt from Cyclopaedia of Biblical, theological, and ecclesiastical literature, Volume 2

 

 

spiritual "christians"?

 

There certainly is a spirit but it's not of God

 

By the way, according to this book, rudometkin IS komar AND nad IS wrong

 

1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

Most molokan churches have spiritual christian in thier titles.

 

If this is 1883, which I cant really make out whether its 1833 or 1883 from the page... Then NAD is right, this individual was Petro Leontiv, a MGR impersonator post 1880. In either case, in 1833 Maxim was either a young man or child. In 1883 he did not exist, except in the form of Petro Leontiv.

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No confusion

1833 and NAD is still wrong regarding your "god" mgr

 

Excerpt from Cyclopaedia of Biblical, theological, and ecclesiastical literature, Volume 2

 

 

spiritual "christians"?

 

There certainly is a spirit but it's not of God

 

By the way, according to this book, rudometkin IS komar AND nad IS wrong

 

1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

Most molokan churches have spiritual christian in thier titles.

 

If this is 1883, which I cant really make out whether its 1833 or 1883 from the page... Then NAD is right, this individual was Petro Leontiv, a MGR impersonator post 1880. In either case, in 1833 Maxim was either a young man or child. In 1883 he did not exist, except in the form of Petro Leontiv.

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No confusion

1833 and NAD is still wrong regarding your "god" mgr

 

Excerpt from Cyclopaedia of Biblical, theological, and ecclesiastical literature, Volume 2

 

 

spiritual "christians"?

 

There certainly is a spirit but it's not of God

 

By the way, according to this book, rudometkin IS komar AND nad IS wrong

 

1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

Most molokan churches have spiritual christian in thier titles.

 

If this is 1883, which I cant really make out whether its 1833 or 1883 from the page... Then NAD is right, this individual was Petro Leontiv, a MGR impersonator post 1880. In either case, in 1833 Maxim was either a young man or child. In 1883 he did not exist, except in the form of Petro Leontiv.

 

Sorry, facts don't line up. Lukian Petrovich was the leader of the Jumpers until the early 1850's when he appointed Maxim as his successor. Before that Maxim was not known as King of Spirits. 1833 is to early, the Molokan's didn't even go near the Transcaucasian Mountains until at least the 1840s. . Maybe pray to your god Zeus for further clarification on this matter.

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Where is your backup for these claims?

 

Any documentation or just winging it?

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Where is your backup for these claims?

 

Any documentation or just winging it?

 

Oh plenty of documentation, just don't feel like giving it to you is all. Next time when you lie just find a source that lies the same lie as you. Just so you don't look as stupid.

 

 

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The historical record stands

 

There are at least 4 sources that point to the facts yet you are going to ignore them

 

That's up to you

 

By the way, the "I have know stuff but not going to tell" is weak

 

You're not fooling anyone (other than yourself)

 

mgr was not of God and you, as one of his minions, follow suit

 

Where is your backup for these claims?

 

Any documentation or just winging it?

 

Oh plenty of documentation, just don't feel like giving it to you is all. Next time when you lie just find a source that lies the same lie as you. Just so you don't look as stupid.

 

 

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For some reason I can't view it...just see a white screen?

 

 

 

 

FREDERICK C. CONYBEARE

HONORARY FELLOW

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, OXFORD

1921

 

Here's a copy for your review

 

russian_dissenters.pdf

 

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hmmm...

 

It takes a little time to download

 

maybe a minute or two

 

You'll also need adobe acrobat to read it

 

 

 

For some reason I can't view it...just see a white screen?

 

 

 

 

FREDERICK C. CONYBEARE

HONORARY FELLOW

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE, OXFORD

1921

 

Here's a copy for your review

 

russian_dissenters.pdf

 

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Looks like uncle bob is wrong regarding the assertion that "komar" was used to denote all rudometkins

 

That's simply not true

 

See attached

 

Excerpt from Cyclopaedia of Biblical, theological, and ecclesiastical literature, Volume 2

 

 

spiritual "christians"?

 

There certainly is a spirit but it's not of God

 

By the way, according to this book, rudometkin IS komar AND nad IS wrong

 

1883? MGR was gone by then.

 

"Komar" was not MGR but Petro Levonich (he was in prison with MGR)

(50 percent of russian/armanian molokans believe to be MGR)

 

Most molokan churches have spiritual christian in thier titles.

[Guest uncle bob]

hi seeking

 

2 questions

 

How old was MGR when he was sent to Trans caucus?

Why did he go there?

[Guest uncle bob]

hi seeking

 

2 questions

 

How old was MGR when he was sent to Trans caucus?

Why did he go there?

 

Still waiting for an answer

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Already did in another post