Songs From The Molokan Services

[GoodDay 0]

We have such an awesome God!

 

He allows us to open our hearts in prayer and singing and encouraging and in times of joy and in times of grief. He loves us to worship Him at all times in all ways and here is a Psalm;

 

Psalms 98

1 Sing to the LORD a new song,

for he has done marvelous things;

his right hand and his holy arm

have worked salvation for him.

2 The LORD has made his salvation known

and revealed his righteousness to the nations.

 

3 He has remembered his love

and his faithfulness to the house of Israel;

all the ends of the earth have seen

the salvation of our God.

 

4 Shout for joy to the LORD, all the earth,

burst into jubilant song with music;

 

5 make music to the LORD with the harp,

with the harp and the sound of singing,

 

6 with trumpets and the blast of the ram's horn—

shout for joy before the LORD, the King.

 

7 Let the sea resound, and everything in it,

the world, and all who live in it.

 

8 Let the rivers clap their hands,

Let the mountains sing together for joy; 9 let them sing before the LORD,

for he comes to judge the earth.

He will judge the world in righteousness

and the peoples with equity.

 

1Peter

 

9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

 

Here is a cool part of the Bible speaking about Paul and Silas and what effect their Spiritual singing had. Notice the effect that it had on the jailer-He was ready to take his own life as he thought Silas and Paul had escaped which would of led to him losing his life. BUT, with God being the one being praised, He used this as a calling to the jailer to salvation, and also to his whole family.

 

Acts 16:25-35

 

25About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. 26Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everybody's chains came loose. 27The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped. 28But Paul shouted, "Don't harm yourself! We are all here!"

 

29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

 

31They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole family.

 

35When it was daylight, the magistrates sent their officers to the jailer with the order: "Release those men."

 

It is very important actually, critical, that you know who you are singing to in any church. I have been to various denominations of Christian gatherings and the focus of the Worship songs were/are extremely Jesus Christ centered and ALL praise going to God! If I EVER heard the praise going to the Ministers grandfather or to thier fore-fathers, I would walk out in one second.

 

During Molokan services which mostly consist of singing is a place to be aware of what or whom is being praised.

 

Many songs contain King of Spirits, and there are a massive amount from the Spirit and Life and many about Molokan Martyrs and sufferers and Molokan heroes etc..None of these types of songs have a place in church or anywhere.

 

You would be surprised at how many songs that are commonly sang that are not giving Praise to God as their are words about Maxcim or King of Spirits etc..

 

They may sound pretty, but you must try to understand that does not justify the content. Try to picture a song sounding as though it is praising God and then all of a sudden they are praising your neighbour or School Teacher or you parent or a Movie star etc.. It's NOT accepted and it IS the same thing

 

Keep checking back for songs that are not praising God that are sung in the Molokan churches all the time and thier translations.

 

Look at 458 in your Pecnik.

 

It's a beautiful sounding song!

Half way through, it's focuses on tsad-dookov (king of Spirits).

Think about what that means or doesn't mean etc..

 

Ask Elders about it. DON"T accept answers that are non-Scriptural (Books other than the Bible)

 

If you are going Spevka-Ask your teacher to translate the songs in detail. If it's sounds fishy ask the teacher to explain why it's being sung. All the spevka's i went to, we always were told, the song was for happy or sad, ot Paska or funural etc..I was not a Christian then so I had not the wisdom to even look into the contents. Macxim was a word I was frimiliar with and King of Spirits but never really cared what it meant and was clueless at the poisen that was being fed to us. The teachers really weren't aware either so I cannot blame them. I can only be thankful that I was able to repent from partaking in those songs and be assured that it is forgivable and to pray not to partake in that sin anymore.

 

Keep posted

 

Paul

[stevepiv 0]

Another song that is sang by maximisti and given extra energy too is Song# 221 from the UMCA Library Translation

 

Песнь 221

Новую песнь воспеваем,

 

Слава Богу,[слава Царю] ,

 

Царя духов прославляем, -

 

На тысячу лет со Христом воцаряем:

 

Вся вселенная удивилась.

 

Богу слава и держава, Во веки веков. Аминь.

 

 

English Translation:

A new song we are singing

 

Chorus:

 

Glory to God, glory to the King

 

The King of Spirits we are exalting ( <----- Actually should read glorifying)

 

For a thousand years with Christ we will reign

 

The whole world was astonished

 

To God be Glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

 

The Bible states:

 

Isaiah 42: 8 "I am the LORD; that is my name!

I will not give my glory to another

or my praise to idols.

[stevepiv 0]

Another song that is sang by maximisti and given extra energy too is Song# 221 from the UMCA Library Translation

 

Песнь 221

Новую песнь воспеваем,

 

Слава Богу,[слава Царю] ,

 

Царя духов прославляем, -

 

На тысячу лет со Христом воцаряем:

 

Вся вселенная удивилась.

 

Богу слава и держава, Во веки веков. Аминь.

 

 

English Translation:

A new song we are singing

 

Chorus:

 

Glory to God, glory to the King

 

The King of Spirits we are exalting ( <----- Actually should read glorifying)

 

For a thousand years with Christ we will reign

 

The whole world was astonished

 

To God be Glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

 

The Bible states:

 

Isaiah 42: 8 "I am the LORD; that is my name!

I will not give my glory to another

or my praise to idols.

 

This song is from the spirit & life book on page 465.

[Guest Downunder Guest]

Goodday,

 

And what is the problem with Song 458?

 

It is sung at almost every funeral and pomniki?

 

Your argument is flawed. What about the songs that are sung about, Moses, Abraham, Adam, Eve, Jacob, Issac, David. The list goes on and on. Does it mean we are praying to them or through them?

 

Those that believe that you must pray thru MGR to gain salvation are just as lost as you and everyone else that thinks the S & L is not part of our church.

 

I'm not sure who you are, but you are definately misguided and it appears you have been hurt at sometime in your life to be so against us True Believers.

 

You should have been very thankful that God chose you to be born into his True Believers Faith (Molokans), however it seems you are lost in the whole anti-molokan belief system, the system that our forefathers faught against and the belief system that is infiltrating the True Church of Christ. (Russian Spiritual Molokans Jumpers and Leapers)

Amen.

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'Downunder Guest' date='Mar 4 2010, 11:05 PM' post='50734'

Those that believe that you must pray thru MGR to gain salvation are just as lost as you and everyone else that thinks the S & L is not part of our church.

 

Insanity? Delusional? Heretical?

 

2-е Фессалоник 2:10 и со всяким неправедным обольщением погибающих за то, что они не приняли любви истины для своего спасения.11 И за сие пошлет им Бог действие заблуждения, так что они будут верить лжи, 12 да будут осуждены все, не веровавшие истине, но возлюбившие неправду

 

2 Thessalonians 2:10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. NKJV

 

 

'Downunder Guest' date='Mar 4 2010, 11:05 PM' post='50734'

You should have been very thankful that God chose you to be born into his True Believers Faith (Molokans), however it seems you are lost in the whole anti-molokan belief system, the system that our forefathers faught against and the belief system that is infiltrating the True Church of Christ. (Russian Spiritual Molokans Jumpers and Leapers)

Amen

 

Heretical or Blasphemy?

 

lastinline (where the view is overwhelming)

[stevepiv 0]

Goodday,

 

And what is the problem with Song 458?

 

It is sung at almost every funeral and pomniki?

 

Your argument is flawed. What about the songs that are sung about, Moses, Abraham, Adam, Eve, Jacob, Issac, David. The list goes on and on. Does it mean we are praying to them or through them?

 

Those that believe that you must pray thru MGR to gain salvation are just as lost as you and everyone else that thinks the S & L is not part of our church.

 

I'm not sure who you are, but you are definately misguided and it appears you have been hurt at sometime in your life to be so against us True Believers.

 

You should have been very thankful that God chose you to be born into his True Believers Faith (Molokans), however it seems you are lost in the whole anti-molokan belief system, the system that our forefathers faught against and the belief system that is infiltrating the True Church of Christ. (Russian Spiritual Molokans Jumpers and Leapers)

Amen.

 

No one is born into a Faith.

 

So now the Molokans are the only True Believers Faith???

 

Molokans are the only True Church of Christ????

 

We have all been brainwashed to think that, we are born sinners as David said:

 

Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

 

None of our righteous deeds can ever clean and wash away the filth of our sin. Our righteous acts are like filthy rags.

 

No religion, no traditions, no russian shirts, no beards NOTHING that man can do can wash our sin and filth away.

 

A man cannot redeem the life of another. Now think about these verses when people say Jesus was just a man and not God.

 

As the Psalmist says:

 

Psalms 49:

 

7 No man can redeem the life of another

or give to God a ransom for him-

 

8 the ransom for a life is costly,

no payment is ever enough-

 

9 that he should live on forever

and not see decay.

 

 

 

From the same Chapter in Psalm, for those that trust in themself and and those that just "follow along":

 

 

10 For all can see that wise men die;

the foolish and the senseless alike perish

and leave their wealth to others.

 

11 Their tombs will remain their houses forever,

their dwellings for endless generations,

though they had named lands after themselves.

 

12 But man, despite his riches, does not endure;

he is like the beasts that perish.

 

13 This is the fate of those who trust in themselves,

and of their followers, who approve their sayings.

 

14 Like sheep they are destined for the grave,

and death will feed on them.

The upright will rule over them in the morning;

their forms will decay in the grave,

far from their princely mansions.

 

 

But, for those who put their Faith in God, He Will Redeem Us and Ransom us.

 

15 But God will redeem my life from the grave;

he will surely take me to himself.

 

 

Also in Acts 20 shows who bought us:

 

Acts 20:27 For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. 28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

 

 

 

It's about looking to God for Our Mercy, The Ransom that Jesus Christ offers, the Holy Spirit that He will Seal you with.

 

ALL HAVE SINNED, our destination apart from Jesus Christ is eternal torment in the lake of fire.

 

God calls all men to Repentance and Put your Faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ and be clothed with the Righteousness of Christ.

 

Not in being born a molokan, or your own righteousness by follwing the law, what we have, or what we do, or who we are, or my family's last name, or the ctixee I know, the russian I know, my clean white Russian shirt, having a hankie in a plastic bag, growing a beard....

 

As we learn from Jesus in this parable, from Luke 18:

 

Luke 18:

9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable:

 

10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.

 

11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.

 

12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

 

13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

 

14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

 

 

The Tax collector sinner confessed his sinful nature and asked for God's Mercy. The tax collector is not trusting in his own ways, but in God's.

 

Everytime someone toots their horn about being born a Molokan into this True Faith, they are just a 21st century Pharisee as described in Luke 18. The Pharisee told God everything that he is, everything he has done and not done.

 

 

Just as our Guest from Downunder perfectly displays:

 

You should have been very thankful that God chose you to be born into his True Believers Faith (Molokans), however it seems you are lost in the whole anti-molokan belief system, the system that our forefathers faught against and the belief system that is infiltrating the True Church of Christ. (Russian Spiritual Molokans Jumpers and Leapers)

Amen.

 

In 2nd Peter 2 we are given this warning against men like "guest Downunder"

 

2nd Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 

[Guest religionizer]

You're wrong. Maybe you ought to consider truly repenting Piv instead of trying to redeem yourself through evangelizing to queers in San Francisco. Because words aint gonna save you. Faith with works will save you. It's a proven teaching from God Himself.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Could you provide where in the Bible is says "Faith with works will save you. It's a proven teaching from God Himself"

 

You're wrong. Maybe you ought to consider truly repenting Piv instead of trying to redeem yourself through evangelizing to queers in San Francisco. Because words aint gonna save you. Faith with works will save you. It's a proven teaching from God Himself.

[stevepiv 0]

You're wrong. Maybe you ought to consider truly repenting Piv instead of trying to redeem yourself through evangelizing to queers in San Francisco. Because words aint gonna save you. Faith with works will save you. It's a proven teaching from God Himself.

 

Mark V- please start to use your name on here. What do you have to hide?

 

I'll be praying for you to God through Jesus Christ The Lord and Savior.

 

 

[stevepiv 0]

The Bible states this:

 

1st Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

 

and...to use the Law of God lawfully to show the sinful nature of man despite a person's perversion and then share with them The Gospel, The Grace, The Mercy, The Forgivess in Our Lord Jesus Christ. Share with them that they will be a new creation in Christ Jesus, the Holy Spirit will be in them and with them as they put to death their sinful nature and desires and lusts of the flesh.

 

 

1st Timothy 1:8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

 

12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service, 13 even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;

 

14 and the grace of our Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus.

 

15 It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

[GoodDay 0]

I am Paul William Orloff

My phone Number is in the book-

If you get one of those phone cards in AUS, it's only a penny a minute to talk.

 

Just because a song is sung a lot doesn't make it OK. L

 

Here is Psalm 6 from King David

 

Pay attention to Verse 5.

A dead man or woman is just that, dead. Unless they accepted the Blood of Christ while they were Alive, than praise God, they are with Him for-ever!

 

Pominkee does nothing! Catholics have all saints day when they pray for the dead? Why is it wrong that they do this, but right, that Molokans do this?

During that doing, The Blood of Christ should be preached from all that speak so them that are alive don't end up in hell. You cannot ask for forgiveness of a dead lost soul sins. Well, you can, but the words will evaporate.

1 O LORD, do not rebuke me in Your anger,

Nor chasten me in Your hot displeasure.

2 Have mercy on me, O LORD, for I am weak;

O LORD, heal me, for my bones are troubled.

3 My soul also is greatly troubled;

But You, O LORD—how long?

 

4 Return, O LORD, deliver me!

Oh, save me for Your mercies’ sake!

5 For in death there is no remembrance of You;

In the grave who will give You thanks?

 

6 I am weary with my groaning;

All night I make my bed swim;

I drench my couch with my tears.

7 My eye wastes away because of grief;

It grows old because of all my enemies.

 

8 Depart from me, all you workers of iniquity;

For the LORD has heard the voice of my weeping.

9 The LORD has heard my supplication;

The LORD will receive my prayer.

10 Let all my enemies be ashamed and greatly troubled;

Let them turn back and be ashamed suddenly.

 

 

And yes, I have been hurt-I should say Humiliated ,several times, like many others, when I was doing the Molokan stuff. Even that wasn't good enough, because elders MAKE you do all according to their desires. And yes, hurt, by seeing a constant flow of others being humiliated, especially them that are not Molokan, and them such as myself who were practicing sin with no one to reach out to or no one reaching out for us or concerned about are well being as Jesus does. The order of things are too easy and all one has to do is have a good memory and learn a bunch of prayers and Russian and grow a beard and put on a church-face and they can easily be a minister. They don't even have to follow Christ. Just live decent enough and speak highly about our forefathers and mention Jesus once and a while and focus on the "Faith" of our forefathers.- That's IDOL Worshiping!! Plain and simple.

 

Also you have to accept elders contstane corrections on grammar, song choice, the sin of using a pesnik in one church. You have to play the game. Salvation is NOT a game!! Where is Jesus in all of this? The last doings I went to in the past couple of years, I have not seem Him!! Where are all the poor strangers? Where are the battered women and their kids that are not Molokan? Where are the Alcoholics and druggies that need hope? Where are them that the world loves and the Molokan of today hate? Where are the ones crying out to God for their sins to be washed so they do not got to hell!?

 

I cannot worship in a Molokan church!! If they watched a film of my past-They would kick me out the door or unto the back -seat!! I am to crappy and a worthless man to worship there!! Jesus is not there and He loves me and others to much to abandon them !Them that know that He died for EVERYONE are not welcomed there!!. Jesus Christ's last word's on that cross, say so much!! IT IS FINISHED!! It has become a place for the elite!! The ones that know God loves only them and hates all others that don't speak Russian or are not of that lineage. I was blinded as a younger man because I sinned so much, the falsness in the churches look true!! Once I came to my knees in repentace and my eyes were open, I was then able to see. My Bothers and Sister, Molokan or not have encouraged as we do for each other as we follow the instructions that Jesus left that The Holy Spirit understands. I don't hate Molokans!! I hate my Saviours name being third in line!!! HE is EVERYTHING!!!! I don't HATE the Molokan ways-Most that leave don't either. It's a hate of using Jesus Christ as a play on words!!!

 

ALL churches should be open everyday all day everywhere, allowing homeless to sleep and to eat and to hear the Gospel of God. They should be having Bible groups and fellowship non-stop. They should have the neigbours and strangers waiting in line to hear the Blood of repentance preached. Their should be constant fasting and open language crying out to God to forgive the direction the churces have taken.! Not only should the angles be rejoicing, but all the neigbours as they are added daily!!!

 

I am thankful for only one thing as I type this and read your Molokan post; I am thankful that God is SOOO Loving, The Son of God died on that cross and took my place!! We are not saved by a "system.? I don't even know what that means??

 

I am also thankful for the Brothers and Sister I have met on here and meet all the time and will meet in the future. I am thankful that The Father has called us to the Son, Jesus Christ. I have the biggest family and they are scattered all around the world and we are not part of a "system."

 

WE ARE FREE!!

 

No one is "Anti- Molokan," we just grieve the ones going down that path of fore-fatherism.

Did our Fore-father worship their fore-father? I don't think so- The Worshipped Jesus Christ

 

Where is Jesus Christ in the Church!!?

 

WE ARE FREE!~!!

 

Paul William Orloff

 

 

Goodday,

 

And what is the problem with Song 458?

 

It is sung at almost every funeral and pomniki?

 

Your argument is flawed. What about the songs that are sung about, Moses, Abraham, Adam, Eve, Jacob, Issac, David. The list goes on and on. Does it mean we are praying to them or through them?

 

Those that believe that you must pray thru MGR to gain salvation are just as lost as you and everyone else that thinks the S & L is not part of our church.

 

I'm not sure who you are, but you are definately misguided and it appears you have been hurt at sometime in your life to be so against us True Believers.

 

You should have been very thankful that God chose you to be born into his True Believers Faith (Molokans), however it seems you are lost in the whole anti-molokan belief system, the system that our forefathers faught against and the belief system that is infiltrating the True Church of Christ. (Russian Spiritual Molokans Jumpers and Leapers)

Amen.

 

[NAD923 0]

Goodday,

 

And what is the problem with Song 458?

 

It is sung at almost every funeral and pomniki?

 

Your argument is flawed. What about the songs that are sung about, Moses, Abraham, Adam, Eve, Jacob, Issac, David. The list goes on and on. Does it mean we are praying to them or through them?

 

Those that believe that you must pray thru MGR to gain salvation are just as lost as you and everyone else that thinks the S & L is not part of our church.

 

I'm not sure who you are, but you are definately misguided and it appears you have been hurt at sometime in your life to be so against us True Believers.

 

You should have been very thankful that God chose you to be born into his True Believers Faith (Molokans), however it seems you are lost in the whole anti-molokan belief system, the system that our forefathers faught against and the belief system that is infiltrating the True Church of Christ. (Russian Spiritual Molokans Jumpers and Leapers)

Amen.

 

Ask D's Al about the deystvia that happened in lyndon rd last month about "through who"

It's not as grim as you might think.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

If molokans were Christians, I too would not be anti-molokan

 

I cannot sit by and allow the cult of molokansim to say "we're Christians" when clearly they are not

 

Again that is not to say there cannot be Christians within the cult of molokanism though I cannot see any benefit Spiritually for being there

[Guest El Scorcho Grande]

That's the problem when you insist on keeping the S&L, if you keep the S&L you keep what Maxcim wrote in it, and he wrote that he is indeed the ladder through which prayers to the Father must go. Messages like that are in opposition to the Bible. The Maxcimists are only following exactly what the S&L says, those of you who want to keep the S&L but deny what it says, are the ones who either haven't read the S&L or are lying to themselves. Give Fourvetta credit, he walks the walk. I pray that he and so many others come to Christ and are saved.

[GoodDay 0]

" Religionizer-"

 

Any name you use, you still post the same!

 

If you think there are "works" involved in ones Salvation-You are completely on the wrong side of the coin. You are still back-to-back with God.

 

If you are not able to understand all the Scriptures that the Brothers *Sister* have been posting because you are trying to shape God into a god that feels comfy to you, then try this. There were a couple of guys on crosses on either side of Jesus Christ. One of them just faithfully asked Jesus to remember him in the Kingdom. Jesus lovingly said to the robber that today you will see me in the kingdom. What "work" saved this thief? Like all people without Christ are hell bound. Why did Jesus save this man without works? How did he see Jesus in the Kingdom?

 

You seem to have an issue with sinners and not the sin. Why is that? God does not hate sinners, but the sin? If the only thing you ever did in your life was steal a piece of paper from school. With -out Christ, you are equal to a "queer." I am straight but I know the Lord and I have no problem with saying I am no better than a "queer" a murderer, a pimp, a gigolo, Hitler,(He is in hell unless he accepted Christ as the thief on the Christ did) Jeffery Dahmer (He eventually repented and accepted Christ.) I am no better than a proud beastialitiest. But also, hard as it is to say, I am no better than a "Religious" man that knows not Christ. I am no better then the proud pharisee who prays the same words every time he prays. I am no better than the man who knows every Molokan song but hates "niggers, wet-backs, queers," and the "Ne-Nash filth,"But loves the hypocrite next to him who knows Russian better than the man next to him and so on and so on. I am not better than any of them.

 

If you get a pen filled with the repentant blood of Jesus Christ that is in the shape of a cross and blot out all of the above sin from them who lose their life to gain life. If they stand naked as they came out of the womb and stare up at Jesus Christ on that cross, and weep as they finally understand THEY should be there instead of Christ! Then they get on their knees and grab hold to that cross and never let go or look back. Then and only then will they understand the Grace of God and His Mercy-Then and only then are they even fit to serve God and to worship Him and to start that relationship with Jesus Christ. Once one gets to that cross and see Him who died for the SINS OF ALL including thier own, they would lay their own life down to save a "queer" from his sins that would eventually lead to hell.

 

If you think giving the Gospel to "queers" is foolish, then it's easy to see that the gospel you bath in is not of Jesus Christ, but some selfish, proud and arrogant dead man.

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

You're wrong. Maybe you ought to consider truly repenting Piv instead of trying to redeem yourself through evangelizing to queers in San Francisco. Because words aint gonna save you. Faith with works will save you. It's a proven teaching from God Himself.

 

[Guest Guest]

El Scorcho,

 

You are mis-interpreting the S & L. MGR is speaking spritually that all prayers go thru Christ and not him? He was Christ's biggest advocate. He died for Christ.

 

All of you people that are anti S & L, just don't get, you take it all to literally. Thats what happens when you dont have the Holy Spirit guide you.

 

You probably would interpret the bible wrong is it wasn't for the study and help notes at the bottom explaining each verse.

 

We will never agree and convert each other. So we will have to agree to disagree.

 

Amen.

[Guest bluetopboy]

" Religionizer-"

 

Any name you use, you still post the same!

 

If you think there are "works" involved in ones Salvation-You are completely on the wrong side of the coin. You are still back-to-back with God.

 

If you are not able to understand all the Scriptures that the Brothers *Sister* have been posting because you are trying to shape God into a god that feels comfy to you, then try this. There were a couple of guys on crosses on either side of Jesus Christ. One of them just faithfully asked Jesus to remember him in the Kingdom. Jesus lovingly said to the robber that today you will see me in the kingdom. What "work" saved this thief? Like all people without Christ are hell bound. Why did Jesus save this man without works? How did he see Jesus in the Kingdom?

 

You seem to have an issue with sinners and not the sin. Why is that? God does not hate sinners, but the sin? If the only thing you ever did in your life was steal a piece of paper from school. With -out Christ, you are equal to a "queer." I am straight but I know the Lord and I have no problem with saying I am no better than a "queer" a murderer, a pimp, a gigolo, Hitler,(He is in hell unless he accepted Christ as the thief on the Christ did) Jeffery Dahmer (He eventually repented and accepted Christ.) I am no better than a proud beastialitiest. But also, hard as it is to say, I am no better than a "Religious" man that knows not Christ. I am no better then the proud pharisee who prays the same words every time he prays. I am no better than the man who knows every Molokan song but hates "niggers, wet-backs, queers," and the "Ne-Nash filth,"But loves the hypocrite next to him who knows Russian better than the man next to him and so on and so on. I am not better than any of them.

 

If you get a pen filled with the repentant blood of Jesus Christ that is in the shape of a cross and blot out all of the above sin from them who lose their life to gain life. If they stand naked as they came out of the womb and stare up at Jesus Christ on that cross, and weep as they finally understand THEY should be there instead of Christ! Then they get on their knees and grab hold to that cross and never let go or look back. Then and only then will they understand the Grace of God and His Mercy-Then and only then are they even fit to serve God and to worship Him and to start that relationship with Jesus Christ. Once one gets to that cross and see Him who died for the SINS OF ALL including thier own, they would lay their own life down to save a "queer" from his sins that would eventually lead to hell.

 

If you think giving the Gospel to "queers" is foolish, then it's easy to see that the gospel you bath in is not of Jesus Christ, but some selfish, proud and arrogant dead man.

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

You're wrong. Maybe you ought to consider truly repenting Piv instead of trying to redeem yourself through evangelizing to queers in San Francisco. Because words aint gonna save you. Faith with works will save you. It's a proven teaching from God Himself.

 

My gosh. What is wrong with you? Read James 2.

 

So, you consider yourself no better than Dahmer?

 

You, like him are part of the 666 false religions...an antichrist to those who listen to you.

 

You will be judged accordingly, for your works betray your lack of faith in the true Christ.

 

God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Guest Guest]

El Scorcho, You are mis-interpreting the S & L. MGR is speaking spritually that all prayers go thru Christ and not him? He was Christ's biggest advocate. He died for Christ. All of you people that are anti S & L, just don't get, you take it all to literally. Thats what happens when you dont have the Holy Spirit guide you.

Guest you are wrong about MGR speaking spiritually about his beliefs, you don't know your heresy. page 457, 9/7/10-11.... "For he gained the victory over the authority of the dominion of the darkness of this age, and thus placed our feet firmly upon the path of hope of the Holy Scriptures, so that each of us could follow it literally, as it is without any interpretation, Amen

Gods don't create Gods, Rudometkin believed the Anointed Savior was a man, and that man being Rudometkin himself the guarantor of souls! MGR 1/5/8-9 Black book page 174 line 8-9. Immediately there personally stood before Him a handsome youth of supreme stature, manifestly born and created of Him; by none other than but by GOD His Father. This is why here GOD Himself, first of all, walked up to Him like a real Father to a son, and greeted Him with His image and likeness.

 

Pg. 516.1 MGR "You are my male and female friends! Do not deal with me in this manner, for I am your Lord and the eternal Guarantor of your souls. Although I am equal with you in the flesh, my Spirit is God higher than all of you."

 

Here I....will now tell all that was bestowed upon me to disclose to you, about myself and my new Spirit, which every minute tells me that I must blaze a new pathway for you to Paradise. Page 326.Introduction

 

"Likewise, the entreating intersession regarding you, by the Spirit in power to the Almighty God - the prayer to God - will not ever be permitted anyone in any place if bypassing Me (Rudometkin)." page 603.3

 

Although I, by my first birth, am a man of sinful bones, but by my second birth, I am the Lord Himself, from heaven. (Page 415, Book 7, Article 27, Verses 6-8)....The Biblical Jesus had no sinful bones, Rudometkin is talking about Rudometkin.

 

God had a literal beginning. Page. 170.1-2 Which, in this, opened the eyes of my heart to quickly see into this secret concern, how and from where the God of gods Himself first originated and came into being, and equally all spirits eternally subject to Him. (Spirit and Life book, Page 170, Book 1, Article 2, Verses 1-2)

 

Guest you don't realize that your religion reveres other gods, one is Rudometkin, which is blasphemy Exodus 20.7.

 

You don't know your heresy. That's what happens when you don't have the Holy Spirit to guide you!

 

 

[stevepiv 0]

Goodday,

 

And what is the problem with Song 458?

 

It is sung at almost every funeral and pomniki?

 

Your argument is flawed. What about the songs that are sung about, Moses, Abraham, Adam, Eve, Jacob, Issac, David. The list goes on and on. Does it mean we are praying to them or through them?

 

Those that believe that you must pray thru MGR to gain salvation are just as lost as you and everyone else that thinks the S & L is not part of our church.

 

I'm not sure who you are, but you are definately misguided and it appears you have been hurt at sometime in your life to be so against us True Believers.

 

You should have been very thankful that God chose you to be born into his True Believers Faith (Molokans), however it seems you are lost in the whole anti-molokan belief system, the system that our forefathers faught against and the belief system that is infiltrating the True Church of Christ. (Russian Spiritual Molokans Jumpers and Leapers)

Amen.

 

Ask D's Al about the deystvia that happened in lyndon rd last month about "through who"

It's not as grim as you might think.

 

Of course there are going to be "messages" now.

 

A guy comes out tells everyone how God loves the new israel, the pseudo Christians are going to be broken dashed away, and only those that remain faithful with new israel will be okay.

 

blah blah blah.....

 

Brainwashing mentality, fear to ever leave the group, telling the congregants that only we have the truth....

 

blah blah blah...

 

[stevepiv 0]

El Scorcho,

 

You are mis-interpreting the S & L. MGR is speaking spritually that all prayers go thru Christ and not him? He was Christ's biggest advocate. He died for Christ.

 

All of you people that are anti S & L, just don't get, you take it all to literally. Thats what happens when you dont have the Holy Spirit guide you.

 

You probably would interpret the bible wrong is it wasn't for the study and help notes at the bottom explaining each verse.

 

We will never agree and convert each other. So we will have to agree to disagree.

 

Amen.

 

Okay...so..in your opinion..

 

Clark Street is wrong because they take the writings literally and do excactly what maxim says.

 

You say those of us on here are wrong for no wanting anything to do with the S&L because it is against the Bible and a completely different gospel.

 

But...everyone else is good...

 

just cover your ears and eyes when you read that stuff, and when it's unbiblical just say "it's spiritual" and "you guys don't have the holy spirit"

 

That's a typical response to cover your eyes and ears and have your religion and pride protected.

 

 

[stevepiv 0]

You're wrong. Maybe you ought to consider truly repenting Piv instead of trying to redeem yourself through evangelizing to queers in San Francisco. Because words aint gonna save you. Faith with works will save you. It's a proven teaching from God Himself.

 

Mark V- please start to use your name on here. What do you have to hide?

 

I'll be praying for you to God through Jesus Christ The Lord and Savior.

 

Mark V e-mailed me and said he didn't make the comment.

 

So, whoever did can you please sign your name next time?

 

Thank You!

[stevepiv 0]

" Religionizer-"

 

Any name you use, you still post the same!

 

If you think there are "works" involved in ones Salvation-You are completely on the wrong side of the coin. You are still back-to-back with God.

 

If you are not able to understand all the Scriptures that the Brothers *Sister* have been posting because you are trying to shape God into a god that feels comfy to you, then try this. There were a couple of guys on crosses on either side of Jesus Christ. One of them just faithfully asked Jesus to remember him in the Kingdom. Jesus lovingly said to the robber that today you will see me in the kingdom. What "work" saved this thief? Like all people without Christ are hell bound. Why did Jesus save this man without works? How did he see Jesus in the Kingdom?

 

You seem to have an issue with sinners and not the sin. Why is that? God does not hate sinners, but the sin? If the only thing you ever did in your life was steal a piece of paper from school. With -out Christ, you are equal to a "queer." I am straight but I know the Lord and I have no problem with saying I am no better than a "queer" a murderer, a pimp, a gigolo, Hitler,(He is in hell unless he accepted Christ as the thief on the Christ did) Jeffery Dahmer (He eventually repented and accepted Christ.) I am no better than a proud beastialitiest. But also, hard as it is to say, I am no better than a "Religious" man that knows not Christ. I am no better then the proud pharisee who prays the same words every time he prays. I am no better than the man who knows every Molokan song but hates "niggers, wet-backs, queers," and the "Ne-Nash filth,"But loves the hypocrite next to him who knows Russian better than the man next to him and so on and so on. I am not better than any of them.

 

If you get a pen filled with the repentant blood of Jesus Christ that is in the shape of a cross and blot out all of the above sin from them who lose their life to gain life. If they stand naked as they came out of the womb and stare up at Jesus Christ on that cross, and weep as they finally understand THEY should be there instead of Christ! Then they get on their knees and grab hold to that cross and never let go or look back. Then and only then will they understand the Grace of God and His Mercy-Then and only then are they even fit to serve God and to worship Him and to start that relationship with Jesus Christ. Once one gets to that cross and see Him who died for the SINS OF ALL including thier own, they would lay their own life down to save a "queer" from his sins that would eventually lead to hell.

 

If you think giving the Gospel to "queers" is foolish, then it's easy to see that the gospel you bath in is not of Jesus Christ, but some selfish, proud and arrogant dead man.

 

Paul W. Orloff

 

You're wrong. Maybe you ought to consider truly repenting Piv instead of trying to redeem yourself through evangelizing to queers in San Francisco. Because words aint gonna save you. Faith with works will save you. It's a proven teaching from God Himself.

 

My gosh. What is wrong with you? Read James 2.

 

So, you consider yourself no better than Dahmer?

 

You, like him are part of the 666 false religions...an antichrist to those who listen to you.

 

You will be judged accordingly, for your works betray your lack of faith in the true Christ.

 

God have mercy on your soul.

 

From what I read GoodDay is not saying he doesn't do any "works" now that he is saved. This is for the people that hope their good works outweigh their bad deeds. And, somehow that is how they will be granted eternal life.

 

GoodDay will help anyone, I guarantee if a Clark Street, or a Maximisti, or a adulterer, drunkard, divorced, homeless, religious...came to him, Paul would offer any help and words of encouragement. That is the awesome thing once Paul's eyes were opened and he realized the path he was on leads to hell, and only Through The Blood and Finished Work of Jesus Christ we can be saved, Paul accepted that.

 

A person that repents and puts their Faith in Christ and is Filled with The Holy Spirit, that person is ready and wants to do good works. They understand the price at which they were boughten with and will do everything to please their master.

 

They go from being a slave to sin, to a bondservant in Christ Jesus.

 

It's a joy to show mercy and do good works.

[Guest bluetopboy]

El Scorcho,

 

You are mis-interpreting the S & L. MGR is speaking spritually that all prayers go thru Chri÷¾ `BOSot him? He was Christ's biggest advocate. He died for Christ.

 

All of you people that are anti S & L, just don't get, you take it all to literally. Thats what happens when you dont have the Holy Spirit guide you.

 

You probably would interpret the bible wrong is it wasn't for the study and help notes at the bottom explaining each verse.

 

We will never agree and convert each other. So we will have to agree to disagree.

 

Amen.

 

Okay...so..in your opinion..

 

Clark Street is wrong because they take the writings literally and do excactly what maxim says.

 

You say those of us on here are wrong for no wanting anything to do with the S&L because it is against the Bible and a completely different gospel.

 

But...everyone else is good...

 

just cover your ears and eyes when you read that stuff, and when it's unbiblical just say "it's spiritual" and "you guys don't have the holy spirit"

 

That's a typical response to cover your eyes and ears and have your religion and pride protected.

 

Why do you guys even worry about Clark so much. Some of you have even gone there recently and embraced them. Sounds kind of hypocritical, considering how badly you speak of them. I have never been there, but from what I've heard, I wouldn't go, so I don't know. What's the big deal? Just stay away if you don't agree with them.

 

[stevepiv 0]

El Scorcho,

 

You are mis-interpreting the S & L. MGR is speaking spritually that all prayers go thru Chri÷¾ `BOSot him? He was Christ's biggest advocate. He died for Christ.

 

All of you people that are anti S & L, just don't get, you take it all to literally. Thats what happens when you dont have the Holy Spirit guide you.

 

You probably would interpret the bible wrong is it wasn't for the study and help notes at the bottom explaining each verse.

 

We will never agree and convert each other. So we will have to agree to disagree.

 

Amen.

 

Okay...so..in your opinion..

 

Clark Street is wrong because they take the writings literally and do excactly what maxim says.

 

You say those of us on here are wrong for no wanting anything to do with the S&L because it is against the Bible and a completely different gospel.

 

But...everyone else is good...

 

just cover your ears and eyes when you read that stuff, and when it's unbiblical just say "it's spiritual" and "you guys don't have the holy spirit"

 

That's a typical response to cover your eyes and ears and have your religion and pride protected.

 

Why do you guys even worry about Clark so much. Some of you have even gone there recently and embraced them. Sounds kind of hypocritical, considering how badly you speak of them. I have never been there, but from what I've heard, I wouldn't go, so I don't know. What's the big deal? Just stay away if you don't agree with them.

 

How am I speaking badly about them? Stating the fact that they follow the s&l the way it says to.

 

I worry for their souls. I have been to their home once last year and have seen them a few times. There are a few families that live around the block from us. As a human being, they are very cordial, respectful, nice to talk to. However, it's sad to see them blinded by the heresy in the s&l.

 

They take it literally and fulfill it the way maxim wanted it.

 

How come the "mother churches" don't follow it the way it's written?

Edited March 6, 2010 by stevepiv

[Guest bluetopboy]

El Scorcho,

 

You are mis-interpreting the S & L. MGR is speaking spritually that all prayers go thru Chri÷¾ `BOSot him? He was Christ's biggest advocate. He died for Christ.

 

All of you people that are anti S & L, just don't get, you take it all to literally. Thats what happens when you dont have the Holy Spirit guide you.

 

You probably would interpret the bible wrong is it wasn't for the study and help notes at the bottom explaining each verse.

 

We will never agree and convert each other. So we will have to agree to disagree.

 

Amen.

 

Okay...so..in your opinion..

 

Clark Street is wrong because they take the writings literally and do excactly what maxim says.

 

You say those of us on here are wrong for no wanting anything to do with the S&L because it is against the Bible and a completely different gospel.

 

But...everyone else is good...

 

just cover your ears and eyes when you read that stuff, and when it's unbiblical just say "it's spiritual" and "you guys don't have the holy spirit"

 

That's a typical response to cover your eyes and ears and have your religion and pride protected.

 

Why do you guys even worry about Clark so much. Some of you have even gone there recently and embraced them. Sounds kind of hypocritical, considering how badly you speak of them. I have never been there, but from what I've heard, I wouldn't go, so I don't know. What's the big deal? Just stay away if you don't agree with them.

 

How am I speaking badly about them? Stating the fact that they follow the s&l the way it says to.

 

I worry for their souls. I have been to their home once last year and have seen them a few times. There are a few families that live around the block from us. As a human being, they are very cordial, respectful, nice to talk to. However, it's sad to see them blinded by the heresy in the s&l.

 

They take it literally and fulfill it the way maxim wanted it.

 

How come the "mother churches" don't follow it the way it's written?

 

 

Well personally, my take on the Spirit & Life book is that MGR didn't want us to fulfill things in his name, but Christ's. That's half the problem right there. Hardly anyone takes the time to try and understand the book for what it is...memoirs of a man in captivity for 20 some odd years. The prob at clark is that they may be worshipping that book like it's just as important as the bible to them. If that's the case, then I don't agree.

 

Again, I don't think they are fulfilling the Spirit and Life the way MGR wanted it, but rather probably the way they interpret it. (big difference) As far as the Spirit and Life preaching heresy...I think not. You just choose not to see it for what it really is...read above.

 

"Mother churches" don't follow much of anything anyways. So it's only natural that they would shy away from a book they refuse to try and make sense of. Let's face it...the "mother churches" disregard the messages sent through their so called dyestvinyiki too. There isn't a lot going on spiritually right now in the Molokan churches, but let's not give up yet. We still have a better chance with them I think. Shine your "light" on them instead of false christianity. There are a lot of good people in them still.

[Guest El Scorcho Grande]

There are a lot of good people in the Molokan church still, I agree, no one on here is giving up on anyone, I think that is why you see people taking the time to post the truth.

 

As for the S&L being the memoirs of a man who spent twenty years in prison, if they are memoirs why is the book on the prestol next to the bible, if the book is a memoir why do people bless with this book? Better yet if it was just memoirs why would he so explicit in his instructions, why would he claim to be the ladder for requests to the father, and why would he claim to be the beginning and the end? The only way that works is if you believe he went insane in prison, and was writing as one who has lost his mind. But then you would have to question putting it on the Prestol even more.

 

You don't give a history or book of memoirs equal respect and reverence as the Bible, if you do bad things happen. At least the Clark Streeters can say that they do this because they believe the S&L is a holy book, what is your excuse, and I am being serious I would like to know.

[stevepiv 0]

Admin can you please delete the name of the person mentioned in post # 9 & 21 of this thread. That gentleman asked if I can do that for him.

 

Thanks a bunch!!!

[stevepiv 0]

Well personally, my take on the Spirit & Life book is that MGR didn't want us to fulfill things in his name, but Christ's. That's half the problem right there. Hardly anyone takes the time to try and understand the book for what it is...memoirs of a man in captivity for 20 some odd years. The prob at clark is that they may be worshipping that book like it's just as important as the bible to them. If that's the case, then I don't agree.

 

Again, I don't think they are fulfilling the Spirit and Life the way MGR wanted it, but rather probably the way they interpret it. (big difference) As far as the Spirit and Life preaching heresy...I think not. You just choose not to see it for what it really is...read above.

 

Fulfilling it in MGR or Christ's name is not 1/2 the problem....IT'S THE PROBLEM.

 

As El Scorcho Grande mentioned that if it's memoirs, then let it be memoirs. If someone doesn't agree with it, no need to get huffy about it. But, as we can see in the Molokan Church and People to them it's not just a book of memoirs.

 

Bluetop boy: you mention that you don't agree with someone who says the s&l is just as important as the Bible, well, look at the Prestol in your Church and home. It's there right next to the New Testament and the Bible.

 

Pg 476 S&L

 

2. And we all unite ourselves under the guidance of the Spirit of truth. 3. For in this Spirit we must reign triumphantly with Christ upon the good land for a thousand years and also together with His annointed, Maxim Havrilovich. 4. Who for the victory he gained over the beast is placed personally over us by Christ Himself, as the principal worldwide king. 5. And, for this reason every believer of the Spirit of truth must quickly and before all accept him, our Maxim, as the King personified. 6. And bow down at his feet with gifts that whatever any person sincerely gives from his soul. 7. And for this each will receive a blessing from him to last for ages. Amen, truth, Amen.

 

Everyone who reads this, take a look, accepting Christ isn't enough, unless you accept Maxim as the "worldwide king" and accept Maxim as the "King personified", and bring Maxim gifts...and for doing that Maxim will bless you to last for ages.

 

 

You bluetopboy say:

 

We still have a better chance with them I think.

 

 

People look for fellowship in a group, or a Church, or relationships... Fellowship is with The Lord and with Him it's not taking a chance.

 

We have a for sure Guarantee with Jesus Christ!

 

John 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

 

 

You say:

 

Shine your "light" on them instead of false christianity. There are a lot of good people in them still.

 

Our "light" is from Christ, and it shines always, everywhere, everyday.

 

False Christianity is rejecting the Deity of Jesus Christ, rejecting the Full Payment that Jesus Christ made, closing doors to people, only helping people who will pay you back, mandatory church dues, un-biblical writings on the altar, rejecting prayer for people based on life issues, rejecting prayer for people who don't have a "pure" bloodline, trying to live like peasants 2 hours a week, trying to speak a foreign language for 2 hours a week, not being able to take a neighbor to your church, seating people in front-row postions that aren't Christians....the list can go on.

 

I agree there are a lot of good people in the Molokans. My prayers go to the Christians there for encouragement.

 

 

[GoodDay 0]

El Scorcho grande's comment and question to bluetopboy are right on and fair and an honest open reply would be nice from bluetopboy.

 

You are sounding very sure of yourself with the spirit and life being just some history and memoirs and El Scorcho's answer is perfectly sound and in alignment with the Truth. Why is it treated "holy."

Many men have written memoirs and those books are not even seen in the churches. If Maxcim wrote it as memoirs he would have said that. Isn't Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible sufficient? So many people write books about Christ and I have never seen any other ones that I have read that the author claims to speak as though he is Christ. There are so many different opinions on the book. Doesn't it seem logical to just ,walk over to the table and simply pick it up and take it off and away? Why does that bring up fear? Little Koshka asked a great simple question and they cannot even choose the Bible or the Spirit and Life. Isn't it so easy to see that it is causing a separation from Jesus Christ?

 

For many on here to just go to a Molokan church every Sunday and just stand there shining a light is literally useless. If we politely speak the truth or question an elder we get hushed, or shunned, or ran-off as I was. If you really are from Blue Top you should know what is going on there and why everyone left as is still leaving and will continue to leave. God wants us to be a light unto the world, not a light unto those that are in angry defensive opposition to the Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible.

 

Them that are in the world are cold and God can work with them. Some of them in the Molokan Churches are lukewarm and God cannot work with them.

 

We all know there are awesome molokans that go to the churches and some are Christians. We all love most everybody we know. Them that are called to linger around with-in the walls and around the predstol are the ones that have to be obedient while they make that choice. If they allow elders to speak things that are not in the Bible, then them who are there and understand and do nothing are accountable for alot. People are lost and many that have certain types of problems will one day approach some elders and be in for a huge surprise. kids will grow up knowing nothing except traditions and the order of things. You know that repentance and the full tru Gospel is never preached.

 

Doing something against God is a sin, and not doing something that is for God is a sin. How one can go week after week and sit and KNOW things are going wrong and see how people are treating others as un- worthy people and saying they are God's chosen is beside me but I am not accountable for their actions and passivity to stand for Christ. God has the say so in that. Closed mouths of people not defending Jesus Christ will be accountable for them that stumble. If I sit and watch a bunch of people walking toward a 10000000 ft cliff and I say nothing and let them fall to their death, I am responsible If I said nothing and they didn't know that cliff was there and I did. I allowed them to die. This sitting back and "waiting for God do do something" is unacceptable. God works through His children. If you are a child of God, you need to speak up and defend Him.

 

Bluetopboy-If you know that book is not Holy then, you NEED to speak out EVERY time it is being used as a Holy thing-If you just sit or stand and watch, you are sinning. If you are waiting for God to do something, perhaps he wants to use you? You don't need to be a placed "dyestvink" or wait for a lighting bolt to hit you-If you know the truth and the Holy Spirit is in you, God will give you the Boldness to protect His Son Jesus Christ-In the Book of Acts, Stephen boldly spoke the Truth and was killed. He did not wait until after church or talk to them when it was comfy. He obeyed, spoke and was killed. BUT look what cam from that? If he stood there and said nothing, well, you get the picture..He gave his life to have life.

Don't wait.

 

Matthew 16:25

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

 

Paul

[Guest guest]

Mgr's Gift Exchange Plan, You give me the goodies and I will tickle your ears, is this Rudometkin's New Path toward salvation? Sweeeeet! Pg 476 S&L 2. And we all unite ourselves under the guidance of the Spirit of truth. 3. For in this Spirit we must reign triumphantly with Christ upon the good land for a thousand years and also together with His anointed, Maxim Gavrilovich. 4. Who for the victory he gained over the beast is placed personally over us by Christ Himself, as the principal worldwide king. 5. And, for this reason every believer of the Spirit of truth must quickly and before all accept him, our Maxim, as the King personified. 6. And bow down at his feet with gifts that whatever any person sincerely gives from his soul. 7. And for this each will receive a blessing from him to last for ages. Amen, truth, Amen.

 

[Guest seeking the real stevepiv]

So tell us Stevepiv, along with the false teachings of the Molokans you listed, do you also include not serving your country in the military? What about obedience to the government in Rom 13?

 

Should Molokans serve in the military and defend our country?

 

False Christianity is rejecting the Deity of Jesus Christ, rejecting the Full Payment that Jesus Christ made, closing doors to people, only helping people who will pay you back, mandatory church dues, un-biblical writings on the altar, rejecting prayer for people based on life issues, rejecting prayer for people who don't have a "pure" bloodline, trying to live like peasants 2 hours a week, trying to speak a foreign language for 2 hours a week, not being able to take a neighbor to your church, seating people in front-row postions that aren't Christians....the list can go on.

 

I agree there are a lot of good people in the Molokans. My prayers go to the Christians there for encouragement.

 

[stevepiv 0]

I'll answer you and I know who you are. Please STOP CONTACTING ME AT ALL. I have asked you for the past 5 years to leave me alone and NOT contact me.

 

In the past few weeks you sent me 3 e-mails with 3 different 3 e-mail accounts. And you are a front row elder????

 

I am still a Conscientous Objector and Pacifist to war in ALL and ANY form. These battles in Iraq, Afghanistan are not battles for the Christians. Yet, our battle is as Apostle Paul says in

 

Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

 

We are a temple of the Living God and just as David was not able to build the temple because as Scripture says:

 

1st Chronicles 28: 2 King David rose to his feet and said: "Listen to me, my brothers and my people. I had it in my heart to build a house as a place of rest for the ark of the covenant of the LORD, for the footstool of our God, and I made plans to build it. 3 But God said to me, 'You are not to build a house for my Name, because you are a warrior and have shed blood.'

 

Our battlefield is to bring the Gospel of Peace, the Peace that Our Lord Jesus Christ made on the cross through His Blood.

 

***

 

Please DO NOT CONTACT ME ANYMORE.

 

 

So tell us Stevepiv, along with the false teachings of the Molokans you listed, do you also include not serving your country in the military? What about obedience to the government in Rom 13?

 

Should Molokans serve in the military and defend our country?

 

False Christianity is rejecting the Deity of Jesus Christ, rejecting the Full Payment that Jesus Christ made, closing doors to people, only helping people who will pay you back, mandatory church dues, un-biblical writings on the altar, rejecting prayer for people based on life issues, rejecting prayer for people who don't have a "pure" bloodline, trying to live like peasants 2 hours a week, trying to speak a foreign language for 2 hours a week, not being able to take a neighbor to your church, seating people in front-row postions that aren't Christians....the list can go on.

 

I agree there are a lot of good people in the Molokans. My prayers go to the Christians there for encouragement.

 

[GoodDay 0]

It's pretty simple to figure out this person that's posting. I am surprised not to see you using the name Calvary. I want to make one thing clear. Why do you think that ONLY Molokans are consciences objectors? I knew people in my life that were not Molokans that were not for war. What I cannot understand is that many Molokans despise people of colour and of other De-nominations and Ne-Nash and thier tongue speaks hate. BUT, they claim to be pascifists? To be against war is to be for peace in all ways. Ephesians 6 speaks about what it is to be a Soldier for the Lord. I am against guns but if someone has one for there protection under their bed or something I wouldn't say anything. I just don't think God wants us to be in that kind of fear. To many people and Police shoot to kill and not to stop them. We as Christians know that ALL crimes are forgivable by God. If a man kills another man and then a police officer kills that man isn't that two people who's lives where cut short? Sure it seems reasonable to put to death a murderer, but aren't we as Christians called to show the the Love of Christ and bring them to their knees in repentance?

 

Steve and I have talked many times about war and share the same feelings. He too is a pacifist in all ways. I have been along side him many times in the past couple of years and his love for people in any walk of life is something to make God proud. I am blessed to have him as a Brother. He can answer you when he is around but I can say that he knows we are not called to seek out and kill our enemies. Or to show exercise revenge on another when that is God's job. The Bible speaks not of this. Old testament has God's people in battle. Some say, God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow (forever) and that justifies it. Are God's Children of today called to still fight physical wars, or Spiritual wars? Are we called to take the life of one that we feel deserves it, or that man in position says it's ok?

 

If you let Romans chapter 12:14-21 flow into chapter 13 it seems to take on a different meaning and many Christians use chapter 13 to justify war and it's obviously not saying that. The end of Chapter 12 tells us Christians how to treat the enemy. War is a kind of revenge and that is not for us to take part of. Them who feel that our Government OK's the war and we have to subject to them make war OK, then, we would have to be in approval of abortion and Capitol Punishment. None of this is of God. Recently again, some civilians died in the war. That is not acceptable. We don't see what those families have to live with. How would one who is for war explain to those families, that that happens sometimes and God wanted the war? Innocent people have been killed for crimes they did not commit do to faulty witnessing or racial reasons or rushed process. This is murder just as is abortion. To be subject to the Government means just that. Just as a wife is Subject to the husband. Many will say that these wars are "God Ordained" Are they? I never heard the Government say they were in war out of obedience to God. Many of America's soldiers are not even believers in The Living God. It's a mans war, that God is allowing and that's totally different. People will say, well they attacked us so we have to get them back- Thats' revenge. People need to put there full trust in Jesus Christ. If the Government has turned their back on Him, well, we need to pull nearer to God by staying further away for the devil ways.

 

Again, Steve is a Brother who has a deep Love for the Lord and a loving family that Loves the Lord and each other. They show Love to all people as Jesus did. We talk full pacifism all the time.

 

People need not live in fear of the enemy and go hunt them down. We just need to cling to the Lord and rely on him as our protector. Soldiers need not praise of man for our freedom; Jesus only gives way to our freedom!

 

Paul

 

Ehpeshians 6

11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

 

12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

 

14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

 

15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

 

16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

 

17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

 

18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

 

 

 

So tell us Stevepiv, along with the false teachings of the Molokans you listed, do you also include not serving your country in the military? What about obedience to the government in Rom 13?

 

Should Molokans serve in the military and defend our country?

 

False Christianity is rejecting the Deity of Jesus Christ, rejecting the Full Payment that Jesus Christ made, closing doors to people, only helping people who will pay you back, mandatory church dues, un-biblical writings on the altar, rejecting prayer for people based on life issues, rejecting prayer for people who don't have a "pure" bloodline, trying to live like peasants 2 hours a week, trying to speak a foreign language for 2 hours a week, not being able to take a neighbor to your church, seating people in front-row postions that aren't Christians....the list can go on.

 

I agree there are a lot of good people in the Molokans. My prayers go to the Christians there for encouragement.

 

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So tell us Stevepiv, along with the false teachings of the Molokans you listed, do you also include not serving your country in the military? What about obedience to the government in Rom 13?

 

Should Molokans serve in the military and defend our country?

 

False Christianity is rejecting the Deity of Jesus Christ, rejecting the Full Payment that Jesus Christ made, closing doors to people, only helping people who will pay you back, mandatory church dues, un-biblical writings on the altar, rejecting prayer for people based on life issues, rejecting prayer for people who don't have a "pure" bloodline, trying to live like peasants 2 hours a week, trying to speak a foreign language for 2 hours a week, not being able to take a neighbor to your church, seating people in front-row postions that aren't Christians....the list can go on.

 

I agree there are a lot of good people in the Molokans. My prayers go to the Christians there for encouragement.

 

The Truth is that a whole bunch of Molokans own more then one pistalero, so whats up with that?

 

lastinline (with no finger on the trigger)

[lastinline 0]

Another song that is sang by maximist and given extra energy too is Song# 221 from the UMCA Library The King of Spirits we are exalting ( <----- Actually should read glorifying)For a thousand years with Christ we will reign.

Thankfully, I sincerely believe that I received a revelation concerning the continual reference of the thousand year reign, also known as the millennium. With this smoke screen of using this term as reference point to make people believe that reigning for a thousand years is of a great consequence of serving the king of spirits. The reality on trying to diminish the fact that the consequence of serving Christ results in eternal life and not a mere thousand years for serving a heretic. The reason for this that it much easier to deceive many to some how believe that a thousand years is long time, when in fact when comparing it to eternity, there is fact no comparison.

 

We are given a small glimpse into the reality of eternity in the stanza from the great Gospel song "Amazing Grace."

 

When we've been there ten thousand years, we've no less days to sing God's praise the when we first begun!

 

Когда мы были там десять тысяч лет

Яркий светить как солнце,

Мы не меньше дней, чтобы петь Божьей

Чем тогда, когда мы первые начали.

 

Thats where the heresy of mgr's desire to be worshiped instead of God Himself!

 

Thanks for listening & praising HIM,

 

lastinline (& with an eye on the prize)

[lastinline 0]

A great rendition of the Gospel song of "Silent Night" can be found in the Pesnik # 615.

 

Sadly, Martin deleted it from his pesnik because he was fearful that his lawyer son would somehow be duped into worshiping the Christ Child.

 

lastinline (& still hitting those 100 mph fastballs out of the park)

 

Even those dreaded Giant fans will appreciate that fallacious comment, oops!

[lastinline 0]

A song that truly has for so many years, said it all for those of us, that realize that the mystery of Grace, is in fact no mystery at all.

 

Thank You, Jesus......You paid the full price for my redemption.........lastinline

 

Tramaine Хокинс --- Amazing Grace

 

Amazing Grace! Как сладкий звук

Это спасло негодяй, как я.

Я когда-то было потеряно, но теперь я обнаружил,

Был слеп, а теперь вижу.

 

'Тва благодати, что научила мое сердце страх,

И благодать мои страхи освобожден.

Как драгоценный сделал, что благодать появляются

Час я впервые поверил.

 

Через много опасностей, труды и ловушки

Я уже пришел;

'Это благодать вывел меня безопасно до сих пор

И благодать приведет меня домой.

 

Господь обещал хорошо

[Guest Guest]

A great rendition of the Gospel song of "Silent Night" can be found in the Pesnik # 615.

 

Sadly, Martin deleted it from his pesnik because he was fearful that his lawyer son would somehow be duped into worshiping the Christ Child.

 

lastinline (& still hitting those 100 mph fastballs out of the park)

 

Even those dreaded Giant fans will appreciate that fallacious comment, oops!

 

 

 

 

 

If these songs are included in the reprint, will you buy a copy...or two?

 

How about singing amazing grace in Russian and posting it, maybe your SF friends can help you put it together?

 

Sheeeeeesh........

[lastinline 0]

Try a little love lotion, it might help a lot more than you current adolescent dribble and please whip your chin. It seems to be accumulating a lot of nonsense.

 

I'm generally on the list for several free copies, so that I can quickly editorialize on its content.

 

lastinline (where potency makes all the difference in the world)

[Disciple 0]

Amazing Grace is in the new big blue песник (songbook). It is song #1173, it is called "О благодать" and is sung to the same tune.

Edited October 6, 2010 by Disciple

[Guest Galatians 5:22-26]

Amazing Grace is in the new big blue песник (songbook). It is song #1173, it is called "О благодать" and is sung to the same tune.

Disciple, does the church that you belong to sing songs that praise King of Spirits or Angels?

 

[Guest Guest]

Amazing Grace is in the new big blue песник (songbook). It is song #1173, it is called "О благодать" and is sung to the same tune.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's just "AMAZING" !!!!

 

 

Maybe we can fire it up at the next dela we are all at ?

[Guest Guest_curious_*]

Amazing Grace is in the new big blue песник (songbook). It is song #1173, it is called "О благодать" and is sung to the same tune.

Disciple, does the church that you belong to sing songs that praise King of Spirits or Angels?

Stomp your left hoof once for yes, or your right hoof once for no.

[Guest Guest_curious_*]

Amazing Grace is in the new big blue песник (songbook). It is song #1173, it is called "О благодать" and is sung to the same tune.

Disciple, does the church that you belong to sing songs that praise King of Spirits or Angels?

Stomp your left hoof once for yes, or your right hoof once for no.

Hoofs, just kidding Disciple. If you haven't recently changed churches, I know which church you attend, I know there's not much short term that you can do, how to cleanse with out major change is something that freaks them out, people can't change other people, they can only change themselves through their choices with a lot of prompting from God. Good to read your posts again.