Throwing Away The Book Of Spirit And Life

[GoodDay 0]

Here is a list of "words" from the spirit and life. With-out saying anything about them, a linguist on a forum looked at them all and this is what he came up with. Out of fairness I am posting all of them, even the ones he was not familiar with. By the way. I do not own a spirit and life anymore and in no way will I even deal with one anymore ,in any way. Some of the history stuff in the beggining should never had been mixed in with maxcim's "writings." Here was the man's response from a few weeks back. These are just a list that is though out the spirit an life;

 

 

"Many of these are rather unintelligible. They're definitely not Indo-European, which puts them outside my field of study. I've put some notes on the end about what I think some of these words may be.

 

Admeyil - ?

 

Anga Ishmaga Shagmac - ANGA refers to an early Indo-Aryan group that appears in the Hindu Vedas and Jain holy texts.

 

Alfeyil - This may be an unusual transliteration of a common Muslim name like Al-Fayyum, Al-Fayed, Al-Faysali, etc

 

Lebeyil - ?

 

Alkhayim Fatmi - MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF FATMI, an Indian politician. A number of Indian and Pakistani Muslims have the surname "Fatmi."

 

Asmodeus - An archdemon mentioned in the Jewish liturgical text, the book of Tobit.

 

Admeyil-Ekhvi - ?

 

Semiramida - ?

 

Emilian - a Christian saint with a large following in Spain.

 

Eloah Sabaoth - both are names used amongst Jews for the God of the Israelites. (Eloah is from אלהים, Sabaoth from צבאות) the term "Eloah Sabaoth" is actually used to refer to God a number of times in Jewish religious texts.

 

Maxim Gavrilovich - MAXIM GAVRILOVICH RUDOMETKIN was a 19th century spiritual leader of a Jewish sect, his followers believed him to be the regent of God on earth.

 

Molokan - from Russian молокане [molokane] meaning "milk driners." "Molokan" refers to a group of Russian Christians that traditionally disobeyed some practices of the Orthodox Church. Maxim Gavriolvich is associated with the Molokan.

 

Hosanna Naraftan - HOSANNA refers to a cycle of prayers for salvation said during Sukot. In Christianity, it is a cry of adoration like "Hallelujah."

 

Fetmagel Ulesar - ULESAR was a name given to Maxim Gavrilovich by the molokan.

 

King Ures - another name given to Gavrilovich by the molokan.

 

Sagmasar Ugvagir Akhmetal - ?

 

Akhmet Gelgel Enfayil Savakhan Ulia - all I can tell you about this one is that "Akhmet" is a transliteration of the common Turkic name Ахмет [akhmet], Gelgel is a place in Indonesia, and there is a mountain in Basque Country called Ulia

 

Midian - a city in the bible occupied by a people known as the "Midianites." Joseph was sold into slavery amongst them, Moses spent 40 years in exile in Midian, Moses' wife, Zipporah, was the daughter of the high priest of Midian, Jethro, God orders Moses to destroy Midian, and the Midianites occupy Israel during the time of the judges. One of my favorite Cradle of Filth albums is also entitled Midian.

 

Ulia - a mountain in Basque Country-- also the name of a Samoan rugby player.

 

Apfiritic - ?

 

Ulesara - ?

 

Apfiritism - looks like an anagram of "Spiritism", a religion popular in Brazil. The Portuguese word is "espiritismo".

 

Fetmogel - ?

 

Ulesar - yet another name given to Gavrilovich by the molokan. I would guess that Ulia and Ulesara are also names given to him, but I cannot find any direct references to them.

 

Halvist Rusmelda Ulia - ?

 

Alkhayim - probably a bad transliteration of another Arabic name or place name.

 

Al Fal Asmarag - I believe "Asmarag" is an Amharic word. Amharic is the national language of Ethiopia.

 

Somag-Fayil - I can only find a reference to an Ottoman governor of Albania named Fayil.

 

Seyim Taflizan - şeyim is a Turkish word meaning "my things."

 

Arfiramista - ?

 

Artemkin - an Estonian striker, he plays for the Estonian club Jalgpalliklubi Võru. He was the club's top scorer for 2009.

 

Olkhi Ag Vag - this looks like a bad transliteration of a foreign word. "Olkhi" may be the Greek word 'Οχι [okhi] meaning "no."

 

Semiramida - ?

 

Tarifta Rafti Khentayl - ?

 

Falthilion Magrddus - sounds very Greek-- there was a Roman Catholic bishopric in what is now Southern Turkey at one time known as "Magydus."

 

Flantovelia - ?

 

Asmodeus - see above

 

Emilian - see above

 

Akhlimag Agvagan Ag - ?

 

Petrukha - all I can find is a reference to a character in a novel by Tolstoy. The novel is entitled Хаджи-Мурат [khadzhi-murat] and is about an Avar rebel.

 

Vanyukha - might be a diminutive form of the Slavic name Ivan-- I know that Ваня [vanya] is used as a diminutive of this name.

 

Gelgel Akhmet Ulia - ?

 

Tatars - a Turkic people inhabiting parts of Eastern Europe and Central Asia. The Tatars are Muslim and speak a language related to Turkish and Azeri as well as the other Altaic languages.

 

Fayil Vag Sagdan - I could have sworn I've seen the name "sağdan" or "soğdan" before, but I cannot find anything on it. There was an ancient Iranian group known as the Sogdiana, though. They inhabited what is now Tajikistan and Eastern Uzbekistan.

 

Fetmagel - ?

 

Khalvist Rusmeldan - ?

 

Ugvagir - ?

Fayil Sagdan Vag - ?

 

Akhmetala - ?

 

Gelgelia - ?

 

Enfaylia - ?

 

Savakhania - ?

 

Ulesara - probably another name for Maxim Garilovich.

 

Uresa - likely to be another name for Maxim Garilovich.

 

Fetmagelia - ?

 

Feltha Salma Khalmigar Ulkhin Esvamil Darmigal Gindagu - SALMA is an Arabic woman's name from the word "salima", meaning "peace."

 

Bigi Bigo Veleigo Veleyil Remvey Gemovayil - ?

 

Alla - an alternate transliteration of the Arabic word commonly spelt as ALLAH

 

Livdon - ?

 

Narivdon - ?

 

Nalikodon - ?

 

Navikdon - ?

 

Parginal Assuringal Uzgoris - ?

 

Surmagdan - may be an inflection of the Estonian word "surmaga" meaning "death."

 

Damfanis - ?

 

Semiramida - ?

 

A lot of these words look extremely Caucasian to me. By this I mean they resemble words found in the languages of the Caucus mountains which run through Georgia, Armenia, Russia and Azerbaijan. Armenian and Azeri are not Caucasian languages. These words look Northeast Caucasian. NE Caucasian languages include languages like Avar, Lak, Ingush, Chechen, etc... These people are deeply Muslim and have their own states within the Russian Federation."

 

Paul W. Orloff.

 

It went into the trash~

Edited March 28, 2010 by GoodDay

[GoodDay 0]

Here was another persons answer to just a few of them. Pay extra attention to "Fatmi."

 

Here are the words that I posted with the response down below. This too was about a month ago;

Anga Ishmaga Shagmac

 

Alfeyil

 

Lebeyil

 

Alkhayim Fatmi

 

Asmodeus

 

Admeyil-Ekhvi

 

Semiramida

 

Emilian

 

Eloah Sabaoth

 

Hosanna Naraftan

 

Response;

 

"Erik hit upon something important here-- a number of these terms relate to Judaism.

 

Sabaoth is one of the Hebrew names for God.

 

Hosanna is derived from the Hebrew word הושענא and applies to a certain cycle of prayers for salvation recited during Sukot. If you've ever been to a Catholic mass, you may have also heard "hosanna" where it is used as an interjection like "hallelujah."

 

Eloah is a transliteration of the Hebrew word אלוהּ, another name for God which is usually given as Elohim in Latin letters.

 

Asmodeus is an archdemon appearing in the Book of Tobit.

 

Some miscellaneous words:

 

Fatmi is a Muslim surname from Pakistan and India.

 

Emilian is a christian saint with a large following in Spain."

Edited March 28, 2010 by GoodDay

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Semiramida is actually Semiramis

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiramis

 

According to legend, Semiramis was of noble parents, the daughter of the fish-goddess Derketo of Ascalon in Syria and a mortal.

 

Uzgoris is actually Horus

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

 

Horus was often the ancient Egyptian's national patron god. He was usually depicted as a falcon-headed man wearing the pschent, or a red & white crown, as a symbol of kingship over the entire kingdom of Egypt.

 

It's all garbage

[GoodDay 0]

It really is pure garbage.

 

look at "Fatmi"

[Guest BibleStudent]

I took a few minutes to surf the internet search and determine if there was any validity to Goodday associations of words in the S&L to something else. But instead used the following words:

 

Orloff:

 

The Orloff is a very rare chicken breed in the United States and Canada

Circassian Orloff Wolfhound

Veal Prince Orloff. She described it as a standing roast

Orloff - 1 definition - A very cheap vodka that is distilled in Lewiston Maine and is popular among residents of Maine and New Hampshire

 

Since I could not fine goodday, I tried the similar gudday:

 

People dress up in colorful clothes and fly Patang or gudday (Kites) of various shapes and sizes

 

Kapook Onair. ... gudday.ja.tc.ja. Published:

 

ayaa waxaa lagu xukumay 8 sano oo xarig ah kadib markii ay gudday 48 gabdhood

 

 

Seems to me that gudday and stevepiv are desparate to find an association, when just about any word can have another meaning, or else a transliteration in some foreign language.

 

1 Cor 13:1 Though I speak in the tongues of men and angels.

 

 

It really is pure garbage.

 

look at "Fatmi"

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Looks like our "little" "bible" "student" has nothing

 

They will ignore their obvious mis-handling of Scripture but waste time talking about the meaning of Orloff in an attempt to "spiritualize" all of the writings of mgr

 

That still does not address their credibility

 

Remember "If you cannot explain your misapplication of Acts 10 how can anyone take you seriously anywhere else?"

 

Your "orloff post" just proves my point

[GoodDay 0]

I have done that before Bible Student,

 

But, I am not claiming to be your god or another messiah nor do I write a bunch of garble to start a cult nor do I claim there is some secret garbage to add to Jesus Christ to make less of him nor do I want people to add my name into any part of worship what-so-ever.

 

They could come up with a film of max himself saying he was of the devil and you and many others would say that that film was false.

 

Many others have hearts that are soft that are comparing this c r a p to the Holy Bible for themselves finally and finding that it is wrong.

 

It' just not you time yet

 

Here is what I came up with when I googled Bible Student;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Student_movement

 

Also the man who knows languages as a profession did not just google everything.

 

Fatmi IS a Muslim surname;

http://www.google.com/search?q=Fatmi&r...;rlz=1I7RNTN_en

 

What else would it mean?

 

I took a few minutes to surf the internet search and determine if there was any validity to Goodday associations of words in the S&L to something else. But instead used the following words:

 

Orloff:

 

The Orloff is a very rare chicken breed in the United States and Canada

Circassian Orloff Wolfhound

Veal Prince Orloff. She described it as a standing roast

Orloff - 1 definition - A very cheap vodka that is distilled in Lewiston Maine and is popular among residents of Maine and New Hampshire

 

Since I could not fine goodday, I tried the similar gudday:

 

People dress up in colorful clothes and fly Patang or gudday (Kites) of various shapes and sizes

 

Kapook Onair. ... gudday.ja.tc.ja. Published:

 

ayaa waxaa lagu xukumay 8 sano oo xarig ah kadib markii ay gudday 48 gabdhood

 

 

Seems to me that gudday and stevepiv are desparate to find an association, when just about any word can have another meaning, or else a transliteration in some foreign language.

 

1 Cor 13:1 Though I speak in the tongues of men and angels.

 

 

It really is pure garbage.

 

look at "Fatmi"

 

[GoodDay 0]

He will never address his Acts miss-interpretation. It's easier to dodge it, BUT it shows us and the readers he was wrong. it's best just to admit that, but he does not see that as an option.

 

Looks like our "little" "bible" "student" has nothing

 

They will ignore their obvious mis-handling of Scripture but waste time talking about the meaning of Orloff in an attempt to "spiritualize" all of the writings of mgr

 

That still does not address their credibility

 

Remember "If you cannot explain your misapplication of Acts 10 how can anyone take you seriously anywhere else?"

 

Your "orloff post" just proves my point

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Pride does not allow for admitting fault

 

The sick part is the mis-handling is blatant and obvious for even someone who does not know the Truth and has a reasonable handle on English

 

How can anyone who is presented with such a glaring error not admit wrong

 

Furthermore is certainly calls into question their credibility

 

If they cannot address this error, other errors would not be dealt with either

 

I bet their next move will be to try and change the subject yet again by introducing more spurious arguements

[GoodDay 0]

Recently, I made a really dumb mistake on the MU and It was shown and I felt stupid but I did acknowledge my error. It too was from the earlier chapters of Acts. I quoted the wrong speech from Peter.

 

Also, The just banned me? what? :-)

 

Actually, I would like to bring out that several years ago, they were trying to get me to openly give my stance on the spirit and life and I never would. I would always beat around the bush. I now look back and can clearly see why. At that time I still was not a Christian and could not quite let go of that book even though I was never totally into it.

 

Once I came to Christ a couple years back and was able to read and understand the Word of God, that book was just off, big time, but STILL, something in me (brainwash) still wanted to justify that book. But as time when on and I became more an more convicted and obeyed God and put my new self into real life a time came to where I read these posts and really read some of Max's writings and finally came to a time that if I didn't get rid of that garbage, I still am letting the devil hold me back. Also, that is why I can never worship in a Molokans setting with that book around.

 

So regardless of where one is. They need to pray to understand who God really is and only if God wants them to. If a person has no desire to know the Truth, well God is not wanting to reviel Himself to them.

 

Honestly, It takes very little to see how wrong that book is.

[Guest Guest]

Here is a list of "words" from the spirit and life. With-out saying anything about them, a linguist on a forum looked at them all and this is what he came up with. Out of fairness I am posting all of them, even the ones he was not familiar with. By the way. I do not own a spirit and life anymore and in no way will I even deal with one anymore ,in any way. Some of the history stuff in the beggining should never had been mixed in with maxcim's "writings." Here was the man's response from a few weeks back. These are just a list that is though out the spirit an life;

 

 

"Many of these are rather unintelligible. They're definitely not Indo-European, which puts them outside my field of study. I've put some notes on the end about what I think some of these words may be.

 

Admeyil - ?

 

Anga Ishmaga Shagmac - ANGA refers to an early Indo-Aryan group that appears in the Hindu Vedas and Jain holy texts.

 

Alfeyil - This may be an unusual transliteration of a common Muslim name like Al-Fayyum, Al-Fayed, Al-Faysali, etc

 

Lebeyil - ?

 

Alkhayim Fatmi - MOHAMMAD ALI ASHRAF FATMI, an Indian politician. A number of Indian and Pakistani Muslims have the surname "Fatmi."

 

Asmodeus - An archdemon mentioned in the Jewish liturgical text, the book of Tobit.

 

Admeyil-Ekhvi - ?

 

Semiramida - ?

 

Emilian - a Christian saint with a large following in Spain.

 

Eloah Sabaoth - both are names used amongst Jews for the God of the Israelites. (Eloah is from אלהים, Sabaoth from צבאות) the term "Eloah Sabaoth" is actually used to refer to God a number of times in Jewish religious texts.

 

Maxim Gavrilovich - MAXIM GAVRILOVICH RUDOMETKIN was a 19th century spiritual leader of a Jewish sect, his followers believed him to be the regent of God on earth.

 

Molokan - from Russian молокане [molokane] meaning "milk driners." "Molokan" refers to a group of Russian Christians that traditionally disobeyed some practices of the Orthodox Church. Maxim Gavriolvich is associated with the Molokan.

 

Hosanna Naraftan - HOSANNA refers to a cycle of prayers for salvation said during Sukot. In Christianity, it is a cry of adoration like "Hallelujah."

 

Fetmagel Ulesar - ULESAR was a name given to Maxim Gavrilovich by the molokan.

 

King Ures - another name given to Gavrilovich by the molokan.

 

Sagmasar Ugvagir Akhmetal - ?

 

Akhmet Gelgel Enfayil Savakhan Ulia - all I can tell you about this one is that "Akhmet" is a transliteration of the common Turkic name Ахмет [akhmet], Gelgel is a place in Indonesia, and there is a mountain in Basque Country called Ulia

 

Midian - a city in the bible occupied by a people known as the "Midianites." Joseph was sold into slavery amongst them, Moses spent 40 years in exile in Midian, Moses' wife, Zipporah, was the daughter of the high priest of Midian, Jethro, God orders Moses to destroy Midian, and the Midianites occupy Israel during the time of the judges. One of my favorite Cradle of Filth albums is also entitled Midian.

 

Ulia - a mountain in Basque Country-- also the name of a Samoan rugby player.

 

Apfiritic - ?

 

Ulesara - ?

 

Apfiritism - looks like an anagram of "Spiritism", a religion popular in Brazil. The Portuguese word is "espiritismo".

 

Fetmogel - ?

 

Ulesar - yet another name given to Gavrilovich by the molokan. I would guess that Ulia and Ulesara are also names given to him, but I cannot find any direct references to them.

 

Halvist Rusmelda Ulia - ?

 

Alkhayim - probably a bad transliteration of another Arabic name or place name.

 

Al Fal Asmarag - I believe "Asmarag" is an Amharic word. Amharic is the national language of Ethiopia.

 

Somag-Fayil - I can only find a reference to an Ottoman governor of Albania named Fayil.

 

Seyim Taflizan - şeyim is a Turkish word meaning "my things."

 

Arfiramista - ?

 

Artemkin - an Estonian striker, he plays for the Estonian club Jalgpalliklubi Võru. He was the club's top scorer for 2009.

 

Olkhi Ag Vag - this looks like a bad transliteration of a foreign word. "Olkhi" may be the Greek word 'Οχι [okhi] meaning "no."

 

Semiramida - ?

 

Tarifta Rafti Khentayl - ?

 

Falthilion Magrddus - sounds very Greek-- there was a Roman Catholic bishopric in what is now Southern Turkey at one time known as "Magydus."

 

Flantovelia - ?

 

Asmodeus - see above

 

Emilian - see above

 

Akhlimag Agvagan Ag - ?

 

Petrukha - all I can find is a reference to a character in a novel by Tolstoy. The novel is entitled Хаджи-Мурат [khadzhi-murat] and is about an Avar rebel.

 

Vanyukha - might be a diminutive form of the Slavic name Ivan-- I know that Ваня [vanya] is used as a diminutive of this name.

 

Gelgel Akhmet Ulia - ?

 

Tatars - a Turkic people inhabiting parts of Eastern Europe and Central Asia. The Tatars are Muslim and speak a language related to Turkish and Azeri as well as the other Altaic languages.

 

Fayil Vag Sagdan - I could have sworn I've seen the name "sağdan" or "soğdan" before, but I cannot find anything on it. There was an ancient Iranian group known as the Sogdiana, though. They inhabited what is now Tajikistan and Eastern Uzbekistan.

 

Fetmagel - ?

 

Khalvist Rusmeldan - ?

 

Ugvagir - ?

Fayil Sagdan Vag - ?

 

Akhmetala - ?

 

Gelgelia - ?

 

Enfaylia - ?

 

Savakhania - ?

 

Ulesara - probably another name for Maxim Garilovich.

 

Uresa - likely to be another name for Maxim Garilovich.

 

Fetmagelia - ?

 

Feltha Salma Khalmigar Ulkhin Esvamil Darmigal Gindagu - SALMA is an Arabic woman's name from the word "salima", meaning "peace."

 

Bigi Bigo Veleigo Veleyil Remvey Gemovayil - ?

 

Alla - an alternate transliteration of the Arabic word commonly spelt as ALLAH

 

Livdon - ?

 

Narivdon - ?

 

Nalikodon - ?

 

Navikdon - ?

 

Parginal Assuringal Uzgoris - ?

 

Surmagdan - may be an inflection of the Estonian word "surmaga" meaning "death."

 

Damfanis - ?

 

Semiramida - ?

 

A lot of these words look extremely Caucasian to me. By this I mean they resemble words found in the languages of the Caucus mountains which run through Georgia, Armenia, Russia and Azerbaijan. Armenian and Azeri are not Caucasian languages. These words look Northeast Caucasian. NE Caucasian languages include languages like Avar, Lak, Ingush, Chechen, etc... These people are deeply Muslim and have their own states within the Russian Federation."

 

Paul W. Orloff.

 

It went into the trash~

 

[Guest BibleStudent]

It really is pure garbage.

 

look at "Fatmi"

 

Yes, I did with the equally transliterated phatmi and noted the following in Spanish:

 

SEMBRADIOS antelados aprovechando las primeras lluvias (9). s. Phatmi.

 

 

You can also order a Chinese stool for your wetbar from Quebec, Canada:

 

Bar Stools (phatmi####mailcity.com) 2006”N 10ŒŽ 13“ú 14Žž 00•ª 20•b

 

 

gudday is really desparate if he has to use a linguist as authoritative when he states that he is not:

 

They're definitely not Indo-European, which puts them outside my field of study.

 

 

Why not just accept the fact that MGR wrote in the tongues of Angels?

 

[Guest paulworloffisoffhisrocker]

Paul. For someone who doesn't accept the Spirit and Life, you sure do waste a lot of hot air debating it on websites.

 

You probably read the book of satan in your spare time just to have an understanding of the other side's direction.

 

Just put a cork in it already Paul. If you hate the book...quit talking about it. We really don't give a ###### about your opinion of it. We already know.....

 

My guess though, is that you are a closet MGR thumper. ; )

[seeking_truth_1 0]

It would appear our "bible" "student" has nothing

 

They will ignore their obvious mis-handling of Scripture but waste time talking about the meaning of Orloff in an attempt to "spiritualize" all of the writings of mgr

 

That still does not address their credibility

 

Remember "If you cannot explain your misapplication of Acts 10 how can anyone take you seriously anywhere else?"

 

You know where this passage in Acts was cited Acts:10:14 But Peter said, No Lord, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean. to justify eating kosher yet the passage has NOTHING to do with that

 

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Yet you bring nothing...

 

If you really don't care...go away

 

Why waste your time?

 

I'm sure someone some where wants to hear what you have to say

 

Looks like you're unable to wear the big boy pants

 

At what point do you take the time for some self evaluation

 

I'm "wrong"

Paul is "wrong"

Steve is "wrong"

coffee is "wrong"

anonymous is "wrong"

scorcho is "wrong"

lk is "wrong"

lastinline is "wrong"

nick is "wrong"

 

Yet you are "right" but you cannot explain your faith using the Bible or explain away the inconsistencies between the Bible & the book from Hell the s&l

 

Really...you're the only one who "knows"

 

Get a grip

 

 

 

Paul. For someone who doesn't accept the Spirit and Life, you sure do waste a lot of hot air debating it on websites.

 

You probably read the book of satan in your spare time just to have an understanding of the other side's direction.

 

Just put a cork in it already Paul. If you hate the book...quit talking about it. We really don't give a ###### about your opinion of it. We already know.....

 

My guess though, is that you are a closet MGR thumper. ; )

[Guest askpaulheknows]

Yet you bring nothing...

 

If you really don't care...go away

 

Why waste your time?

 

I'm sure someone some where wants to hear what you have to say

 

Looks like you're unable to wear the big boy pants

 

At what point do you take the time for some self evaluation

 

I'm "wrong"

Paul is "wrong"

Steve is "wrong"

coffee is "wrong"

anonymous is "wrong"

scorcho is "wrong"

lk is "wrong"

lastinline is "wrong"

nick is "wrong"

 

Yet you are "right" but you cannot explain your faith using the Bible or explain away the inconsistencies between the Bible & the book from Hell the s&l

 

Really...you're the only one who "knows"

 

Get a grip

 

 

 

Paul. For someone who doesn't accept the Spirit and Life, you sure do waste a lot of hot air debating it on websites.

 

You probably read the book of satan in your spare time just to have an understanding of the other side's direction.

 

Just put a cork in it already Paul. If you hate the book...quit talking about it. We really don't give a ###### about your opinion of it. We already know.....

 

My guess though, is that you are a closet MGR thumper. ; )

 

 

It's high time you admit that you guys know nothing. But seriously. Yo uknow how to quote "stuff." You know how to generalize well enough. The problem is that you just don't understand what it is you are reading and quoting. I'm certainly not pushing any book on you. The only thing you ought to know is your bible.

 

How difficult can it be to simply read that thing without blinders on...blinders that are directing your inner vision to other beliefs....false beliefs, false hope and false faith? Wake up before it's to late.

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

You keep saying this but you have proven (using the Bible) nothing

 

I have cited passage upon passage how Salvation is secured and you just say "no it's not"

 

Contrast that with your odd concern about Pauls ruddy complexion?

 

If you really believe we're all "pagans" then go

 

We're all "wrong" and you are the only one "right"

 

Be at peace with that and leave

 

When you stand before the Lord (sooner than later) your cult of molokanism will not save you

 

You have been shown the Truth as found in Scripture and you have decided to resist the conviction of the Holy Spirit

 

That's the one sin that is unpardonable

 

[GoodDay 0]

We all have the right to take that book for what it is or what we want it to be.

 

mgr does talk about the Muslims in his writings as being the molokans servants in the 1000 years.

 

So there is a connection. I didn't have to figure nothing out. The spirit and life talks about Muslims.

 

I didn't "use" a linguist, I just posted those words of the devil and a linguist responded and as I mentioned, I posted all of his answer out of fairness. The readers can accept or not accept but the main thing is it lets people know what that garbage is.

 

Most molokans don't even know that the Muslim faith is talked about in the devils book by mgr.

 

It really is pure garbage.

 

look at "Fatmi"

 

Yes, I did with the equally transliterated phatmi and noted the following in Spanish:

 

SEMBRADIOS antelados aprovechando las primeras lluvias (9). s. Phatmi.

 

 

You can also order a Chinese stool for your wetbar from Quebec, Canada:

 

Bar Stools (phatmi####mailcity.com) 2006”N 10ŒŽ 13“ú 14Žž 00•ª 20•b

 

 

gudday is really desparate if he has to use a linguist as authoritative when he states that he is not:

 

They're definitely not Indo-European, which puts them outside my field of study.

 

 

Why not just accept the fact that MGR wrote in the tongues of Angels?

Edited April 1, 2010 by GoodDay

[GoodDay 0]

I don't have that book anymore.

 

Don't accept my opinion as you and the others are accountable to God, not anyone of us on here. I have openly defended God's Word in a Molokan church of today. The spirit and life is not Gods Word. Anyone can read through it and see that.

 

You as an American have the right to not read any posts on here if you do not want too.

 

 

 

Paul. For someone who doesn't accept the Spirit and Life, you sure do waste a lot of hot air debating it on websites.

 

You probably read the book of satan in your spare time just to have an understanding of the other side's direction.

 

Just put a cork in it already Paul. If you hate the book...quit talking about it. We really don't give a ###### about your opinion of it. We already know.....

 

My guess though, is that you are a closet MGR thumper. ; )

 

[GoodDay 0]

For many molokans,

If they think that the spirit and life is the Word of God, then that is saying that The Holy Bible is not.

 

 

 

Yet you bring nothing...

 

If you really don't care...go away

 

Why waste your time?

 

I'm sure someone some where wants to hear what you have to say

 

Looks like you're unable to wear the big boy pants

 

At what point do you take the time for some self evaluation

 

I'm "wrong"

Paul is "wrong"

Steve is "wrong"

coffee is "wrong"

anonymous is "wrong"

scorcho is "wrong"

lk is "wrong"

lastinline is "wrong"

nick is "wrong"

 

Yet you are "right" but you cannot explain your faith using the Bible or explain away the inconsistencies between the Bible & the book from Hell the s&l

 

Really...you're the only one who "knows"

 

Get a grip

 

 

 

Paul. For someone who doesn't accept the Spirit and Life, you sure do waste a lot of hot air debating it on websites.

 

You probably read the book of satan in your spare time just to have an understanding of the other side's direction.

 

Just put a cork in it already Paul. If you hate the book...quit talking about it. We really don't give a ###### about your opinion of it. We already know.....

 

My guess though, is that you are a closet MGR thumper. ; )

 

 

It's high time you admit that you guys know nothing. But seriously. Yo uknow how to quote "stuff." You know how to generalize well enough. The problem is that you just don't understand what it is you are reading and quoting. I'm certainly not pushing any book on you. The only thing you ought to know is your bible.

 

How difficult can it be to simply read that thing without blinders on...blinders that are directing your inner vision to other beliefs....false beliefs, false hope and false faith? Wake up before it's to late.

 

[lastinline 0]

'GoodDay' date='Apr 1 2010, 07:52 AM' post='54050']

For many molokans,

If they think that the spirit and life is the Word of God, then that is saying that The Holy Bible is not.

 

One need not go any farther then the cover, which makes the proclamation for ALL to see "book of the sun." So, anyone becoming dedicated to a belief system that has the s&l as a mechanism to come to conclusions about the meaning of their personal relationship with a supreme being, are NO different than those who worship the sun as their god!

 

 

Romans 8: 37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing , shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NKJV

 

Римлянам 8: 37 Но все сие преодолеваем силою Возлюбившего нас. 38 Ибо я уверен, что ни смерть, ни жизнь, ни Ангелы, ни Начала, ни Силы, ни настоящее, ни будущее, 39 ни высота, ни глубина, ни другая какая тварь не может отлучить нас от любви Божией во Христе Иисусе, Господе нашем.

 

So the question for all of us to answer, what exactly am I personally persuaded by? TRUTH or folly?

 

lastinline (where only the SON is worshiped)

[Guest guest]

One need not go any farther then the cover, which makes the proclamation for ALL to see "book of the sun." So, anyone becoming dedicated to a belief system that has the s&l as a mechanism to come to conclusions about the meaning of their personal relationship with a supreme being, are NO different than those who worship the sun as their god!

The molokan sun god is depicted on page 704, and is named on page 710.V "Uzghoris", I am referencing the book from Hell the S&L. Horis is a mythological sun god. The M's have serious credibility issues!

 

[Guest paulhasthinskin]

I didn't have to figure nothing out.

 

 

Just read what Paul the apostle of false christianity writes.

 

"I didn't have to figure nothing out."

 

Paul, that is the story of your miserable existence, and the whole reason why you will never be happy. You have "never figured" anything out for yourself. Sad.

 

Grow up already.

 

 

 

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Good Lord

 

If you're in such great shape and have it all "figured out" why reduce this to banging on Paul?

 

What do you care if he is not "happy" and doesn't have it "figured out" like you do?

 

Just leave it alone

 

This is not a discusion about anything other than you trying to soothe your tormented conscience

 

You CANNOT leave it alone because deep down he has something you DO NOT and you cannot make it your emptyness go away even with your futile attacks

 

Prove me wrong by simply slinking off from whence you came

 

 

[Guest Guest]

lastinline...you do know that you are a hippicrite don't you? Worshiping in a place where the "devils" book sits on the alter of your church...and then saying to all that its "folly"

 

name='lastinline' date='Apr 1 2010, 08:45 AM' post='54069']

 

So the question for all of us to answer, what exactly am I personally persuaded by? TRUTH or folly?

 

lastinline (where only the SON is worshiped)

 

[GoodDay 0]

Lol

These names are funny!

 

Hey paulhasthinskin.

 

You could try quoting more than three words, I didn't even know what you were getting at.

 

Look at it this way;

 

Take a skim through a book about devil worshiping. Nothing to figure out, It's about the devil.

Take the spirit and life and skim, through, read, study, what every and it too is not of God which means it's of the devil. Easy. Nothing to figure out, it is false. Anything that does not line up with the Word of God is not the word of God. Why cannot you and others see that? The spirit an life says that God is ignorant and foolish and that he needed a dead man to pretend to be him and/or access to Him.

 

If there was a playboy magazine on the Predstol, it would be a little more obvious that is does not belong anywhere near the Word of God.

 

BUT a playboy magazine is still nothing compared to what the writings of Maxcim do. He has blasphemed The Holy Spirit! A Playboy magazine is just full of people caught up in sin that need that need to hear the Gospel of God and about His loving grace. Having a playboy on the predstol could have a positive effect. The spirit and life has a negative effect shown be the fruits of today's Molokan churches. There are none. Our forefathers would be upset

 

By the way,

Being away from the Molokanism today and being able to walk with the Lord brings more joy and happiness then I ever thought couple be possible! It's nice to have the feeling and freedom that our fore-fathers had before the devil inspired a bead man called mgr to mess things up

 

Here are a couple;

1.paulisastupidbaby

2.paulworloffisapookiehead

3.paulhasgotbethestupidestguyinthewholewideworldandthatsafactandheshouldgoawaybe

causeheisdumb

 

I didn't have to figure nothing out.

 

 

Just read what Paul the apostle of false christianity writes.

 

"I didn't have to figure nothing out."

 

Paul, that is the story of your miserable existence, and the whole reason why you will never be happy. You have "never figured" anything out for yourself. Sad.

 

Grow up already.

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Pookie Head? ROTFL

 

But you will notice if were to "return" the "compliment" to the religious person they would say "you're bashing" because their entire identity is tied up in their religion

 

Their religion CANNOT be called into question because it should simply be "accepted" at face value

 

They DO NOT have any basis in Scripture for it so when you challenge them in any way they get quite huffy or "thumpy" if you will

 

Jesus illustrated this point by saying "Forgive them they do not know what they are doing"

 

I view the proud little chest thumpers in the same way

 

They can mock and make fun of Christianity but all I have to do is open up His Word and cite the REASONS why I believe the way I do and the "thumpers" get very uncomfortable

 

That is because they CANNOT do the same. They DO NOT know what they believe but even worse the reasons why

 

All they know is what they have been told by "bearded ones" yet as Scripture continues to point to the "bearded ones" being in error they cannot handle it

 

I recall when I had asked some who said they were Christians to provide a "Statement of Faith"

 

It's a fancy way of asking for what you believe and why as found in the Bible

 

The answers were very telling...Were they Christians? All I could say is "I don't know"

 

Paul, much like your "little friend" who has absolutely no clue

 

They will lash out to try and discourage you from continuing your walk with the Lord

 

If they can cause you to quit it would "soothe" their troubled soul because they can then say "you were wrong" and return to the cult more convinced than ever

 

What if they cannot make you "quit"

 

How about Steve or Kevin?

 

They were both up to their ears in the cult of molokanism and now have come to Faith

 

Much like Paul the Apostles conversion

 

It was a radical change

 

He had power, respect and could boast in his religious accomplishments yet "...everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ"

 

When those of you came to faith, the cult of molokanism and all of it's trappings was rendered worthless

 

That makes those who still subscribe to the cult VERY uncomfortable

 

They cannot calm the troubled feelings deep down

 

If they admit the cult of molokansim isn't Biblical Christianity they will lose "everything" at least so they think

 

25 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it.

26 And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Is anything worth more than your soul? (Matthew 16:25-26)

 

If you walk away from the cult of molokansim for His (Jesus') sake you will save your life

 

What a perfect time on this holiday weekend to accept His finished work on the Cross

 

Immanuel (God with us) on Earth lived a perfect (sinless) life (1 Peter 2:22)

Immanuel (God with us) accepted the punishment due everyone of us for our sin (Romans 6:23)

Immanuel (God with us) died on the Cross (Luke 23:46)

Immanuel (God with us) rose again in victory (Luke 24:6)

 

The cult of molokanism does not teach this and therefore is a lie

 

Those who did not know before, you know now

 

You need to make a choice

 

One leads to life and the other death

 

Choose life

 

"Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live! (Deuteronomy 30:19)

[seeking_truth_1 0]

By the way there were 3 typos in my last post...

 

I wonder why our "little thumper" didn't make a big deal this time?

 

Perhaps they are too busy at the alter of mgr to notice

[GoodDay 0]

Seeking, I noticed that too.

 

Also, none of your sentences have periods so I don't know what you are trying to say :-)

 

Have a Blessed week!

 

PookieHead

 

By the way there were 3 typos in my last post...

 

I wonder why our "little thumper" didn't make a big deal this time?

 

Perhaps they are too busy at the alter of mgr to notice

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Interesting isn't it

 

A single mis-spelling or lack of puncuation can cause someone tho forget an ENTIRE post, ignore ALL of the content and focus on a typographical error

 

Unless....maybe....Naaaaw, it couldn't be that

 

Do you think it's possible they actually have NOTHING and are looking to find fault with even the simplest of things to avoid dealing with the REAL issue?

 

Hmmmm

[Guest Little thumper number two]

name='seeking_truth_1' date='Apr 5 2010, 02:09 PM' post='54514'

 

Jesus illustrated this point by saying "Forgive them they do not know what they are doing"

 

I agree with Jesus.

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Jesus whom?

 

name='seeking_truth_1' date='Apr 5 2010, 02:09 PM' post='54514'

 

Jesus illustrated this point by saying "Forgive them they do not know what they are doing"

 

I agree with Jesus.

 

[Guest little thumper number 2]

The same one you're quoting...

 

Jesus whom?

 

name='seeking_truth_1' date='Apr 5 2010, 02:09 PM' post='54514'

 

Jesus illustrated this point by saying "Forgive them they do not know what they are doing"

 

I agree with Jesus.

 

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

I'm not sure I follow you

 

You mean the Biblical Jesus?

 

Immanuel (God with us) or something else?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Still waiting...

[lastinline 0]

'paulworloffisoffhisrocker' date='Mar 31 2010, 07:32 PM' post='53993'

 

My guess though, is that you are a closet MGR thumper. ; )

 

Wow, you sound like my dear friend, agua, the water-boy wanna-be (who is now bad-breath boy).

 

lastinline (& still colling my heels)

[Guest Katsya]

lastinline...you do know that you are a hippicrite don't you? Worshiping in a place where the "devils" book sits on the alter of your church...and then saying to all that its "folly"

 

name='lastinline' date='Apr 1 2010, 08:45 AM' post='54069']

 

So the question for all of us to answer, what exactly am I personally persuaded by? TRUTH or folly?

 

lastinline (where only the SON is worshiped)

You said in another subject heading that you have joined the San Francisco church. Should I assume you only attend a Molokan church that does not have the devil book spirit and life, or is this not true? Are you being hypocritical?

 

[Guest Guest]

lastinline...you do know that you are a hippicrite don't you? Worshiping in a place where the "devils" book sits on the alter of your church...and then saying to all that its "folly"

 

name='lastinline' date='Apr 1 2010, 08:45 AM' post='54069']

 

So the question for all of us to answer, what exactly am I personally persuaded by? TRUTH or folly?

 

lastinline (where only the SON is worshiped)

Hah!

 

[lastinline 0]

Hah!

Didn't you actually mean to cheer with a loud "whooray"! Or, definitely three cheers for the Gipper.

 

lastinline (& keeping a close eye out 4 those pitch-forks)

[lastinline 0]

You said in another subject heading that you have joined the San Francisco church.

Please dust off that Bible that I hope you have around your domicile and you will find that there is a strand of blood that runs from Genesis to Revelation that represents the Blood Covenant of Jesus Christ, which can be accepted by Faith to receive its cleansing power and there-by achieve membership (joined) in His Church.

 

lastinline (where His covenant extends)

 

[lastinline 0]

Should I assume you only attend a Molokan church that does not have the devil book spirit and life, or is this not true? Are you being hypocritical?

Aren't you being hypocritical? By, using the term "the devil book spirt and life" and not wearing a kasinka while trying to have a conversation over spiritual matters with me?

 

lastinline (hypocritical, YES, absolutely)

[Guest Bible Student]

Today in Christian History

 

787 - The Second Nicene Council opened under Pope Hadrian I. Numbered by some as the 7th of the church's 21 ecumenical councils, Nicea II condemned iconoclasm (belief that the veneration of Christian images and relics is idolatry).

 

I suppose you believe in their decision, that is why you posted this.

 

Historically with Ukein, Molokans have rejected their decisions, especially this one. Read S&L pages 24-25. Discarding the S&L will be replaced with the above Councils' decisions.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Who cares about any of this?

 

What does the Bible say about it

 

By the way, why won't you answer these simple questions

 

Who is Jesus?

How is Salvation Secured?

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

 

Today in Christian History

 

787 - The Second Nicene Council opened under Pope Hadrian I. Numbered by some as the 7th of the church's 21 ecumenical councils, Nicea II condemned iconoclasm (belief that the veneration of Christian images and relics is idolatry).

 

I suppose you believe in their decision, that is why you posted this.

 

Historically with Ukein, Molokans have rejected their decisions, especially this one. Read S&L pages 24-25. Discarding the S&L will be replaced with the above Councils' decisions.

[Guest El Scorcho Grande]

Today in Christian History

 

787 - The Second Nicene Council opened under Pope Hadrian I. Numbered by some as the 7th of the church's 21 ecumenical councils, Nicea II condemned iconoclasm (belief that the veneration of Christian images and relics is idolatry).

 

I suppose you believe in their decision, that is why you posted this.

 

Historically with Ukein, Molokans have rejected their decisions, especially this one. Read S&L pages 24-25. Discarding the S&L will be replaced with the above Councils' decisions.

 

Hmm, that response seems to be misleading. Are you actually trying to say that the only thing standing between an individual and the papacy is the S&L? I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere about the Protestant movement, it seems that quite a few of them don't allow the veneration of Christian images and or relics.

 

A more accurate statement is that discarding the S&L may allow a person to have a relationship with the True Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The S&L leads to one place, and it isn't Heaven.

[Guest mud_paddie]

Today in Christian History

 

787 - The Second Nicene Council opened under Pope Hadrian I. Numbered by some as the 7th of the church's 21 ecumenical councils, Nicea II condemned iconoclasm (belief that the veneration of Christian images and relics is idolatry).

 

I suppose you believe in their decision, that is why you posted this.

 

Historically with Ukein, Molokans have rejected their decisions, especially this one. Read S&L pages 24-25. Discarding the S&L will be replaced with the above Councils' decisions.

Well of course the molokans would reject the notion that the display of relics is idolatry, they are on the walls of all molokan churches of TODAY as-well as icons, check out the cover of the Spirit and Life book, that's an icon. Molokans also sign the cross, it's the same pattern as their bow. Are these remnants of the Orthodox Church a clue for you Mr. Fuzzyface.

 

When will we be allowed to burn candles, we promise not to play with fire, really.

 

[lastinline 0]

A more accurate statement is that discarding the S&L may allow a person to have a relationship with the True Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The S&L leads to one place, and it isn't Heaven.

Wow, well said, and right on the mark!

 

lastinline

[Guest mud_paddie]

Well of course the molokans would reject the notion that the display of relics is idolatry, they are on the walls of all molokan churches of TODAY as-well as icons, check out the cover of the Spirit and Life book, that's an icon. Molokans also sign the cross, it's the same pattern as their bow. Are these remnants of the Orthodox Church a clue for you Mr. Fuzzyface.

 

When will we be allowed to burn candles, we promise not to play with fire, really.

Hey Fuzz, I'm sorry I can't take the reincarnated horse-man hybrid on page 486 or your Khlyst funnybook seriously, or is it fuzzybook?

 

 

 

 

[lastinline 0]

Please (пожалуйста) stop having a conversation in your own mind, it gives us all a eerie feeling.

 

lastinline (& trying very hard to be very quiet)

 

Well of course the molokans would reject the notion that the display of relics is idolatry, they are on the walls of all molokan churches of TODAY as-well as icons, check out the cover of the Spirit and Life book, that's an icon. Molokans also sign the cross, it's the same pattern as their bow. Are these remnants of the Orthodox Church a clue for you Mr. Fuzzyface.

 

When will we be allowed to burn candles, we promise not to play with fire, really.

Hey Fuzz, I'm sorry I can't take the reincarnated horse-man hybrid on page 486 or your Khlyst funnybook seriously, or is it fuzzybook?

 

[Guest mud_paddie]

lastinline (& trying very hard to be very quiet)

Yes, I've noticed. Hah!

 

Why won't you answer questions about your San Francisco church? Why won't you answer questions?

 

[lastinline 0]

lastinline (& trying very hard to be very quiet)

Yes, I've noticed. Hah!

 

Why won't you answer questions about your San Francisco church? Why won't you answer questions

Are you some how interested in some kind of San Francisco style intimate relationship. Sorry, you will have to play that game with a true-blue "new israelite" devotee.

 

lastinline (& interested in normal Godly relationships only)

[lastinline 0]

Don't stop the conversation, don't even try. Well on second-thought, OK.

 

lastinline (& still confused in the all the strong inclinations)