KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2010 I have posted in quotes below the latest from the MIP. I will not post all of them, only a few here and there. Kevin Nazaroff Welcome To The Molokon Information Project! Does the Birth Ceremony Establish Salvation For A Child? Article #23 In the Church Series First, and simply put, NO. The birth prayer of naming and blessing of a child is a procedure that delivers the name of the child to God and places that name directly into the memory of God or, as we might say, the Book of Life! Second, we ask that God would place upon this soul His true and everlasting blessing. We do this with our petitions as loving parents and in all sincerity and in full faith we ask this for this blessed soul. Third, by and with this simple child naming and blessing ceremony, all the members of the spiritual Molokon community now stand and bear witness to the fulfillment and acceptance of this soul into the new spiritual community of Believers. Does this prayer make a difference in that individual life? Absolutely yes, because if you ask in faith and believe that God hears you, and if there are those with you that also petition for Gods eternal blessing, and when the Holy Spirit of God manifests in a blessing, then and there that soul is acknowledged and personally blessed by God! What greater privilege is there to have been sanctified by the One Living God! Hebrews 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. Does this mean that this child automatically has salvation? No. For every individual every soul must work out its own salvation with fear and trembling. Everyone must proceed upon the path of salvation set out before us by Jesus Christ the Son of God! Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. What is the Book of Life? The phrase is derived from the custom of the ancients of keeping genealogical records (Neh 7:5,64; 12:22-23). And of enrolling citizens for various purposes (Jer 22:30; Ezek 13:9). Ancient kingdoms were known to write the names of all their citizens down in their records. As an example; A Roman citizen was registered and thereby received certain privileges because of his birth right as a Roman citizen. So God in this phrase is represented as having a record of all who are under His special care and guardianship. To be blotted out of the Book of Life is to be cut off from God's favor. When God threatened to destroy the Israelites altogether, and make of Moses a great nation, the legislator implored forgiveness for them, and added, " If not, blot me; I pray thee, out of the book which thou hast written" (Ex 32:34). Apparently Moses believed there was such a book and he understood that his name was written therein. Even though the Molokon child birth ceremony does not mention the "Book of Life" in the Order itself, this special phrase has entered into our common petition and rightfully so. I can only say that to me it simply means the "Memory Of God!" Does God need a book to turn to, or is He All Knowing or not? Consider the importance of the blessing through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and if it truly blesses, it does not forget! But, that very soul can be stricken out of the Book of Life and be forgotten by its denial and rejection of God and its personal blessing when it turns to serve the devil and his world! This means that there is no salvation for that soul, even though its parents fulfilled all the Rights, according to Gods will. ***** 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Note: These words would certainlly include every newborn child within the nation! If not, where is the cut off date? Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. However, that soul is privileged with certain rights beyond the souls of the world, which go without grace, unsanctified and impure and without a blessing. This prayer of sanctification, meaning separation from impurity and acknowledgment by God, separates and distinguishes that individual soul from all other souls which are not allowed the benefit of entrance into Zion or the spiritual community and its given rights. Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. If you are a true believer, and accept the word of God even in its simplest form, these few verses or statements should bring into your mind, your life and your ability to consider the fact that your one of Gods Chosen people. Therefore, if you accept this, then you surely must believe that your very own offspring, issued forth from your own loins, is also known, chosen and has been called from God. Now if this be true, why is it so difficult for this new generation of so called Christians not able to grasp that it is a Godly duty to bring your little child before God, give thanks and ask God to first sanctify and forever write that name into His Book of Life, with prayers and blessings? What is your belief system really based upon? It is funny in that many young ones that don't even accept the teachings of our forefathers, are now challenging one tiny insertion about the book of Life into the overall Ceremony. If you don't accept our Forefathers and the ceremony to begin with, your challenge is worthless! There are many unknowns in this area and it would take many books to answer each question. I hope that anyone having such questions not answered herein might approach their teachers and ask them, in all sincerity, of these matters. I caution all you newly married of Zion destined to bring forth children unto the Lord: Be diligent in your love and in your earnest petitions to God on behalf of these chosen souls which shall be assigned unto your care. Know that their names must be presented unto the Living God and be not ignorant about attaining the true blessing upon each given soul. If you care not of these things, its better you remain without children, for what recipient of souls shall not stand to answer for the gift of God? Efim Garasimovich Klubnikin Article 50: Compilation of EGK's visions A vision: Three tall youths with wide shoulders of important appearance! Twice they appeared and said, "Why are your children unwashed?" At the question as to what this mean, they replied, "When the children are born and given a name, they are not prayed for. This is being unwashed, and they do not number among the chosen. "And when they grow up, they cannot be permitted at the Holy Kiss, they are in the uncleanliness of birth from the womb of their mother." Do not neglect prayer for the infants and blessing them for life, and they will be clean and worthy. Recently there have been several events that deeply disturbed our community. This selfish neglect of parental responsibility has somehow taken hold and it seems that some new parents have failed to sanctify their newborn children within the bounds of our Faith. And, they still want all the Rights and privileges afforded all families who have properly named, sanctified and had their newborn blessed by the Holy Spirit, and witnessed by members of the Molokon faith. A few weeks ago, a couple with this disregard for such matters brought a newborn child to the hospital with unknown troubles and woes. Immediately, those parents began to pray, asked others to pray and a great worry was created for those parents. A question arises here: Why even worry or care? If they didn't have the mind or heart to fulfill what is required of them by our faith, then what is the big deal now? I say, if you're so foolish as to reject our Church Orders and the fulfillment of Rights upon your very own children, it is best to either have yourself sterilized or as some elders say, keep it in your pants, mister! Why would you want to ask God for the privilege of caring for a soul and then in outright disobedience refuse prayer and ask for a blessing upon it? What kind of love would these parents really have? Do they deserve to have possession of a soul from God? If our people were ignorant of such matters and had no means to sanctify a newborn child, then there might be some excuse. But, the spiritual Molokon is without excuse. Those parents should be informed that they should find another religion to give their children to, one that allows a child to remain in its unclean state, unsanctified and without the blessing of God, and its name unknown among angels and forsaken by unbelieving parents. Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Any child that is brought before a gathering of Believers by its parents is already blessed. Blessed in the sense that it has been given parents who are willing to ask God to remember this child's name, and then ask God to actually bless this tiny infant. Now, what does a child know? Nothing other than staying alive with its natural instincts. What greater thing can be done for that infant other than making sure that it will forever be known by God? Those parents have already done a great work in behalf of this infant, and with that love, they will teach that child about the Living God and about having their names written in the Book of Life and keeping it therein! Thus, this child does not have to go around worrying about who it is, where did it come from, and if the parents and the Church finish their job, this child will grow in wisdom and understanding and allow Gods blessing to bloom upon its life. In regards to the importance of these services for our children; there was this small revelation which came as a dream or night vision but fulfilled in a sorrowful object lesson. And with it came insight to what our forefathers received through the HOLY SPIRIT. Once, in the middle of the night a young father was awoken by a phone call from a woman who had just had a terrible dream about a very young child. The woman was calling this man up because she thought that the young child was his, for she had seen his child in her dream. The woman, in her dream, was taken to her mother's home in another state. The mother had passed away several years earlier. At that place in the dream, the woman had seen her mothers home. Out of the home came several small children, one being this mans daughter. The woman saw that the child was wandering around in a fog and did not know where it was, and was half naked. The woman began to call out the name of the child, but the child wondered in the cold fog, not even knowing its own name! The woman cried out after the near naked child, but, it was walking in a daze and knew not who it was. The young father was certainly upset over this dream concerning his daughter. He sought advice and was told to pray, and when he did so, was comforted and kept the dream in mind. A month or so later another Molokan family, living in the same area, had a newborn child, but in great sorrow this infant only lived a few days. The parents in this sad and unfortunate situation called the preacher to the hospital to pray for the child's well-being but not to have the ORDAINED SERVICES FULFILLED with this infant; only to pray for its health. The child did pass away and a funeral was held. At the cemetery after the burial was completed and the last songs were being sung, a worker came forth and fell upon his knees on the grave and cried out that "GOD WOULD FORGIVE HIS PEOPLE FOR THEIR ERRORS". The worker in this episode did not know that there had not been any ceremony held for this infant. The real revelation came shortly there after! The child that had passed away had been unknowingly named the EXACT name as the youngparents daughter , which had been shown in the dream earlier. The father in the first story realized that his daughter had only been an example of what was going to happen to this child, but without the proper RITES OF SANCTIFICATION AND THE SEALING OF THE NAME BEFORE GOD!! The teaching here in the revelation, as sad as it is, is that the child that lived only a short time did NOT receive the full blessing; it was only partially clothed. The preacher's prayers might have accomplished some of the spiritual rights for the soul of this infant but the ENTIRETY of the sacraments, seemingly, were either never completed or fulfilled correctly on behalf of this innocent soul. Remember, the SPIRIT through the young worker, cried out to God that HE would most likely forgive the people for their ignorance concerning this catastrophe. The most upsetting part of this insight was that this child wondered in a thick fog, away from the house of the mother, not even knowing its own name as if it did not have one. Although the parents had given a name unto the child, apparently the dream was indicating that name had never been announced unto GOD and the soul of that child never knew who it was! It might be possible that this soul was being cared for by another in a distant realm, but the circumstances that were shown were most upsetting. Our forefathers, in their spiritual trials and experiences, were taught firsthand by the True Spirit, learning and understanding these matters. By Gods wisdom they received a full and complete means in which we are to accept a soul, announce its name unto God and sanctify it unto the Holy Spirit! This is the prescribed manner in which to properly clothe and bless and welcome that soul into His Faith here on earth. And it is GODS will that we strive to maintain the ordained services given unto us by the Holy Spirit, even though we might not fully understand their heights or depths. The sacredness of marriage and the fruit of that union brings forth not only tremendous joy, but it also creates an everlasting responsibility. Therefore, because our God is a loving God and a merciful God, He in His generosity has bestowed upon the Molokon nation a most beautiful spiritual sacrament built upon the foundation of His Holy Law, and then illuminated it by the Holy Spirit for the sake of the children, who will be made a part of Mount Zion! Thank You Bless Your Day, Your Week, Your Month And Your Life, And Know That God Lives And Is Forever Mighty...Thank You! Copy And Distribute These Articles To those Who Want To Know... Email Sign In At: molokonproject####juno.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2010 The author states - Recently there have been several events that deeply disturbed our community. This selfish neglect of parental responsibility has somehow taken hold and it seems that some new parents have failed to sanctify their newborn children within the bounds of our Faith. And, they still want all the Rights and privileges afforded all families who have properly named, sanctified and had their newborn blessed by the Holy Spirit, and witnessed by members of the Molokon faith. A few weeks ago, a couple with this disregard for such matters brought a newborn child to the hospital with unknown troubles and woes. Immediately, those parents began to pray, asked others to pray and a great worry was created for those parents. A question arises here: Why even worry or care? If they didn't have the mind or heart to fulfill what is required of them by our faith, then what is the big deal now? Why even worry or care? Is this guy even a Christian? What about God in all of this? Does God care about His creation? Absolutely! The author continues - I say, if you're so foolish as to reject our Church Orders and the fulfillment of Rights upon your very own children, it is best to either have yourself sterilized or as some elders say, keep it in your pants, mister! This is one of the most foolish statements by the author I have ever read. This guy has elevated "church orders" above "Gods orders". It is for this and several other reasons that I myself can not in good conscience present our precious newborn girl, Elena, and subject her to this kind of religious garbage... Then he makes another foolish statement - If our people were ignorant of such matters and had no means to sanctify a newborn child, then there might be some excuse. But, the spiritual Molokon is without excuse. Those parents should be informed that they should find another religion to give their children to, one that allows a child to remain in its unclean state, unsanctified and without the blessing of God, and its name unknown among angels and forsaken by unbelieving parents. His solution to this "church" problem is to kick parents out of the molokan church? Kick the parents out for not performing a ceremony that he himself states does not have anything to do with salvation? Actually, this is probably the best advice in the whole article. Why stay and put up with this garbage? Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kevinisonlycausingtrouble Report post Posted April 13, 2010 Certainly, the way the guy explains things is a little...out in center field. However, Kevin here seems to be quick to dismiss a simple prayer ceremony asking God to enter the baby's name into the book of life...when appropriate, and thanking God for the health of the child and mother. There is nothing wrong with that. I do agree that the xtini, or whatever you want to call it, does not grant salvation to the infant. Lastly, prayer is never frowned upon by God. For Kevin to be swayed to and fro by opinions of those people who are just burnt out Molokans is ridiculous. This is happening to much. Hey Kev, why no make decisions a little more slowly instead of making rash decisions simply because you were caught with your pants down and are now embarrassed by that whole fiasco. Repent, instead of mocking. Sure, Molokans aren't perfect, but neither are you son. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest truthhurts Report post Posted April 13, 2010 "The sacredness of marriage and the fruit of that union brings forth not only tremendous joy, but it also creates an everlasting responsibility." Seeing as how you've ruined that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2010 When is that? When does it become "appropriate"? a simple prayer ceremony asking God to enter the baby's name into the book of life...when appropriate Certainly, the way the guy explains things is a little...out in center field. However, Kevin here seems to be quick to dismiss a simple prayer ceremony asking God to enter the baby's name into the book of life...when appropriate, and thanking God for the health of the child and mother. There is nothing wrong with that. I do agree that the xtini, or whatever you want to call it, does not grant salvation to the infant. Lastly, prayer is never frowned upon by God. For Kevin to be swayed to and fro by opinions of those people who are just burnt out Molokans is ridiculous. This is happening to much. Hey Kev, why no make decisions a little more slowly instead of making rash decisions simply because you were caught with your pants down and are now embarrassed by that whole fiasco. Repent, instead of mocking. Sure, Molokans aren't perfect, but neither are you son. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Scorcho Grande Report post Posted April 13, 2010 Is this for real, God will not have this child in his memory if it isn't xtined? Is he actually saying that God is somehow unaware of every newborn child, every soul at the instant of creation? Not my God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 14, 2010 Certainly, the way the guy explains things is a little...out in center field. However, Kevin here seems to be quick to dismiss a simple prayer ceremony It is not a simple prayer ceremony. If it were, then I would not have a problem with it. You seem to be ignorant of the reason for xtini, or whatever you want to call it. asking God to enter the baby's name into the book of life...when appropriate, Some more ignorance. Do you read the bible? Where does it say that we need to ask God to write a baby's name into the book of life. You never have to ask God to enter a childs name into the book of life. It is already in there. When a person dies, if he/she is separated from God, then he/she is blotted out, forever. What we could ask, is that their name not be blotted out. 32 “But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!” 33 The LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book. Ex 32:32-33 NASB 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Re 20:15 NASB 27 and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life. Re 21:27 NASB and thanking God for the health of the child and mother. There is nothing wrong with that. I do agree that the xtini, or whatever you want to call it, does not grant salvation to the infant. Lastly, prayer is never frowned upon by God. For Kevin to be swayed to and fro by opinions of those people who are just burnt out Molokans is ridiculous. This is happening to much. Hey Kev, why no make decisions a little more slowly instead of making rash decisions simply because you were caught with your pants down and are now embarrassed by that whole fiasco. Repent, instead of mocking. Sure, Molokans aren't perfect, but neither are you son. Well, I guess we do agree on one thing. I think it is an excellent thing to thank God for the health of the mother and child. Prayer is never frowned upon. What is frowned upon is prideful men, such as yourself. 6 But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.” Jas 4:6 NABS I will address your evil comments in another thread. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lastinline 0 Report post Posted April 14, 2010 'kevinisonlycausingtrouble' date='Apr 13 2010, 01:38 PM' post='55362' Certainly, the way the guy explains things is a little...out in center field. Spewing heresy from the pit of darkness, a little out in center field, yikes. What kind kool-aid are you drinking? Oh, thats just little spiked chi, huh. One thing that is absolutely true, this heretic true-blue "new israelite," enjoys hating his neighbor as he hates himself. lastinline (where curve balls are hit out of the park) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 14, 2010 Therefore, because our God is a loving God and a merciful God, He in His generosity has bestowed upon the Molokon nation a most beautiful spiritual sacrament built upon the foundation of His Holy Law, and then illuminated it by the Holy Spirit for the sake of the children, who will be made a part of Mount Zion! If this ceremony is bases upon the law, then it would be written in the law. Can someone please find it for me in scripture. Book, chapter and verse. I can not seem to find it in my bible... I am sure if it is being illuminated by the Holy Spirit, then it must be in the bible, somewhere... Anywhere?.... Ohhhh, maybe it came from the same book and chapter that says we are not supposed to drink milk on Fridays! I know it's in here somewhere... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest justseeingwhatsgoingon Report post Posted April 14, 2010 wow! how sad to see so many self rightous phooooony christians post and mock the Molokan religion. From observations made on this site and at many Delas, anyone can see that there is a plague of darkness falling on many people in the Narod who are following false religions and trying to justify themselves. BLAH BLAH BLAH I can cheat, booze it up do drugs and many other disgusting things OOOHHH BUT JESUS FORGIVES . MOCKERS! Nothing unclean shall even enter the Kingdom. We have been put in the parameters of the Molokan religion to seek the LORD. If you don't like those parameters which include instruction from the Spirit and Life, certain church customs, dress customs and food laws and many others then go away. Leave the rest of us in peace and go mock some other religion which soon you'll tire of then want to come back. Also, shame, shame, shame to bash a Starditz who is upstanding. The colors show and they are black. For those making fun of any malenya, why name your child a Russian name? Besides, the OBRADI are put there so we have obedience to GOD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 14, 2010 wow! how sad to see so many self rightous phooooony christians post and mock the Molokan religion. From observations made on this site and at many Delas, anyone can see that there is a plague of darkness falling on many people in the Narod who are following false religions and trying to justify themselves. BLAH BLAH BLAH I can cheat, booze it up do drugs and many other disgusting things OOOHHH BUT JESUS FORGIVES . MOCKERS! Nothing unclean shall even enter the Kingdom. We have been put in the parameters of the Molokan religion to seek the LORD. If you don't like those parameters which include instruction from the Spirit and Life, certain church customs, dress customs and food laws and many others then go away. Leave the rest of us in peace and go mock some other religion which soon you'll tire of then want to come back. Also, shame, shame, shame to bash a Starditz who is upstanding. The colors show and they are black. For those making fun of any malenya, why name your child a Russian name? Besides, the OBRADI are put there so we have obedience to GOD. So I guess you were not able to find the book and chapter... It's hard to find something that is not there. You can be passionate all you want about the obradi. But you are missing out on a peaceful, loving relationship with the Almighty God. Our predki had to break away from the Catholic church because the Catholic church was more passionate about obradi, rather than scripture. Sound familiar? If the molokans want to continue to chastise people and shun people for the sake of obradi, then they are the exact same as the Catholic church in the days of our predki. And if there are molokans who feel differently, where are they and why are they silent? The truth does hurt, doesn't it. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ZigZag Report post Posted April 14, 2010 what about smoking pot daddy? wow! how sad to see so many self rightous phooooony christians post and mock the Molokan religion. From observations made on this site and at many Delas, anyone can see that there is a plague of darkness falling on many people in the Narod who are following false religions and trying to justify themselves. BLAH BLAH BLAH I can cheat, booze it up do drugs and many other disgusting things OOOHHH BUT JESUS FORGIVES . MOCKERS! Nothing unclean shall even enter the Kingdom. We have been put in the parameters of the Molokan religion to seek the LORD. If you don't like those parameters which include instruction from the Spirit and Life, certain church customs, dress customs and food laws and many others then go away. Leave the rest of us in peace and go mock some other religion which soon you'll tire of then want to come back. Also, shame, shame, shame to bash a Starditz who is upstanding. The colors show and they are black. For those making fun of any malenya, why name your child a Russian name? Besides, the OBRADI are put there so we have obedience to GOD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Scorcho Grande Report post Posted April 14, 2010 If you want to really see cheating, bozzing it up, doing drugs and other disgusting things try going to a Molokan, kids party, and then watch as they grow up and marry in and all is forgotten, and forgiven. You can even kill an unborn chid and do this, seems that even wearing a Russian sgirt is no protection from sin. Wow thinking about it if nothing unclean can ever enter the kingdom there will be a lot of very surprised Molokans, and that starts with MGR himself. Oh BTW Jesus does forgive, it's in the Bible you can look it up. Don't be so flippant with the Word of God, it doesn't suit you well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lastinline 0 Report post Posted April 14, 2010 Good one, also perhaps the greatest evil that is being hidden for the protection of respectability of many within the Molokan Brotherhood is abortion/murder, which if not dealed with by the True Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, though His Precious Blood, will result in eternal damnation for all who condoned this because of the hypocrisy of desire for respectability within the confines of the Molokan Brotherhood. And again, I call on those in the know, to find a way to protect themselves, because of HIPPA and reveal these people, so they can be called to account, for their eternal lives may be at stake. lastinline (& full of good ideas) what about smoking pot daddy? wow! how sad to see so many self rightous phooooony christians post and mock the Molokan religion. From observations made on this site and at many Delas, anyone can see that there is a plague of darkness falling on many people in the Narod who are following false religions and trying to justify themselves. BLAH BLAH BLAH I can cheat, booze it up do drugs and many other disgusting things OOOHHH BUT JESUS FORGIVES . MOCKERS! Nothing unclean shall even enter the Kingdom. We have been put in the parameters of the Molokan religion to seek the LORD. If you don't like those parameters which include instruction from the Spirit and Life, certain church customs, dress customs and food laws and many others then go away. Leave the rest of us in peace and go mock some other religion which soon you'll tire of then want to come back. Also, shame, shame, shame to bash a Starditz who is upstanding. The colors show and they are black. For those making fun of any malenya, why name your child a Russian name? Besides, the OBRADI are put there so we have obedience to GOD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest allornonebenevolentones Report post Posted April 14, 2010 Good one, also perhaps the greatest evil that is being hidden for the protection of respectability of many within the Molokan Brotherhood is abortion/murder, which if not dealed with by the True Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, though His Precious Blood, will result in eternal damnation for all who condoned this because of the hypocrisy of desire for respectability within the confines of the Molokan Brotherhood. And again, I call on those in the know, to find a way to protect themselves, because of HIPPA and reveal these people, so they can be called to account, for their eternal lives may be at stake. lastinline (& full of good ideas) what about smoking pot daddy? wow! how sad to see so many self rightous phooooony christians post and mock the Molokan religion. From observations made on this site and at many Delas, anyone can see that there is a plague of darkness falling on many people in the Narod who are following false religions and trying to justify themselves. BLAH BLAH BLAH I can cheat, booze it up do drugs and many other disgusting things OOOHHH BUT JESUS FORGIVES . MOCKERS! Nothing unclean shall even enter the Kingdom. We have been put in the parameters of the Molokan religion to seek the LORD. If you don't like those parameters which include instruction from the Spirit and Life, certain church customs, dress customs and food laws and many others then go away. Leave the rest of us in peace and go mock some other religion which soon you'll tire of then want to come back. Also, shame, shame, shame to bash a Starditz who is upstanding. The colors show and they are black. For those making fun of any malenya, why name your child a Russian name? Besides, the OBRADI are put there so we have obedience to GOD. I gotta say...you kids are embarrassing the whole narod with your rhetoric. Kevin....stop whining and go to your humble corner pray to the living God that he miraculously save you from your own self. You heathens make a simple ceremony about a newly born child into a satanic ritual....which it is not. It isn't even remotely catholic....devoid of the Spirit of God. Simply, we pray over the child and give it a new name. Place our hands over the child like Jesus did in Matthew 19:14 and 15 while asking that the the Holy Spirit abide upon the child and guide the child all it's days. Then, we pray and sing in a rejoicing manner to God giving praise to Him for delivering a new healthy member to the family. What on God's green earth is wrong with praying to the Lord to dedicate a young one to Him and asking for the Holy Spirit to be with child? What is wrong with giving God praise? NOTHING. You people are sick! Does false christianity cause you to think like this. Pray for your souls and stop condemning those who pray to God. Stop judging people...for you do not know what is on their heart. Pull the log out of your own eyes first like the bible says. I honestly dont even think you people read the bible. Maybe you should. It'll scare the hell right out of you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2010 Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks How is Salvation secured? By works or by grace? Who is Jesus Is He a non-eternal created non-Deity or Immanuel (God with us)? Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God? You are judged by your own words and nothing else Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest allornonebenevolentones Report post Posted April 15, 2010 Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks How is Salvation secured? By works or by grace? Who is Jesus Is He a non-eternal created non-Deity or Immanuel (God with us)? Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God? You are judged by your own words and nothing else Wow. I posted that early today and you are just now putting it up seeking? You can't even comment on it...why? Because it's the INERRANT word of God...and that seems to make you all the more furious as to why you're so darn unhappy. Waddle on seeking. It get's hotter in the oven still. Let Jesus Know when you want out. His grace and forgiveness will always be there for you. inline and wondering (why aren't you) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest downunder Report post Posted April 15, 2010 Seeking, You are in a deceitful & delerious spirit if you think you are saved by grace alone. Works and Faith are you saved by the GRACE of God. And Kevin, shame on you for not having your new born written in the book of life, as you were, your wife, your parents, grand parents etc. You and your current actions are not only shameful to God and Our Lord Jesus Christ but also to your parents, grand parents, relatives and friends that grew up with you in our Church. Why don't you give your newborn child the same chance as you, your wife and your other children??? Like so many Molokans that have left early on their life, most of them will eventually want to come back in your oler life. Because as an elder once said, they always crave borsch & lapsha. And seeking, if you think I am saying the physical food, you are wrong. What we have as Spiritual Christian Jumper & Leapers, is that we are part of the True Church of Our Lord Jesus Chrsit (Yes, us True Beleivers, the church of Adam, Abraham, Isaac, David, our apostles etc) is extremely special. We are not of the grafted on to the vine, but part of the vine itself. Its people like you herotics on this site and lost digruntled ex-molokans, that need to humble and repent yourselves and stop this bashing of the true church. And yes, you are probably going to say, "where can I cut and past verses from the bible"? Well, Im not. Because I dont have to. If you were part of the True Church, then you wouldn't have to ask. The way we baptise/christen (Xtini) our youth, is beautiful and no other church out there can proclaim that. Regards, Downunder (and extremely sadend in what is happening in our community and how the devil is infiltrating our church thru these fales teachings) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Shubin 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2010 We are not of the grafted on to the vine, but part of the vine itself. So, you are of pure Jewish heritage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2010 That's your OPINION but it is baseless You alleged quote "Works and Faith are you saved by the GRACE of God." IS NOT found in Scripture 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9) What "righteous deeds" are going to "help" your "salvation"? We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. Like autumn leaves, we wither and fall, and our sins sweep us away like the wind. (Isaiah 64:6) 5 he saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit. 6 He generously poured out the Spirit upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior. 7 Because of his grace he declared us righteous and gave us confidence that we will inherit eternal life.” (Titus 3:5-7) It doesn't get any clearer than that Are you God? Are you telling us your misguided opinion supersedes the Bible? Seeking, You are in a deceitful & delerious spirit if you think you are saved by grace alone. Works and Faith are you saved by the GRACE of God. Everyone has the same "chance" and it has NOTHING to do with the cult of molokanism The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9) A ceremony based upon nothing more than non-Biblical traditions have an effect on someones eternal destination? How do you know? Even if that was the case, why then have a prayer to "pray them" into Heaven after someone has died? Did your first little ceremony not take? It cannot be both And Kevin, shame on you for not having your new born written in the book of life, as you were, your wife, your parents, grand parents etc. You and your current actions are not only shameful to God and Our Lord Jesus Christ but also to your parents, grand parents, relatives and friends that grew up with you in our Church. Why don't you give your newborn child the same chance as you, your wife and your other children??? If Kevin or I are "ex-molokans" and "were" part of the "vine itself" how can someone be an "ex"? That makes no sense if your assertion regarding being a part of the "vine itself" is correct I keep hearing this "true church" non-sense yet you CANNOT explain how the cult of molokanism has somehow become this "true church" You say it is so yet could you provide ANY Biblical basis for your opinion? The Bible says you are obligated to explain your "faith" Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if someone asks about your Christian hope, always be ready to explain it. (1 Peter 3:15) What we have as Spiritual Christian Jumper & Leapers, is that we are part of the True Church of Our Lord Jesus Chrsit (Yes, us True Beleivers, the church of Adam, Abraham, Isaac, David, our apostles etc) is extremely special. We are not of the grafted on to the vine, but part of the vine itself. Its people like you herotics on this site and lost digruntled ex-molokans, that need to humble and repent yourselves and stop this bashing of the true church. And yes, you are probably going to say, "where can I cut and past verses from the bible"? Well, Im not. Because I dont have to. If you were part of the True Church, then you wouldn't have to ask. What "spiritual food" would that be? Denying Jesus for who He says He is? Practicing racism? Worshiping a false "god"? Praying for the dead? Practicing the occult by channeling "spirits" (a.k.a. demons) from the dead? mmmm mmmm "tasty" Like so many Molokans that have left early on their life, most of them will eventually want to come back in your oler life. Because as an elder once said, they always crave borsch & lapsha. And seeking, if you think I am saying the physical food, you are wrong. Seeking, You are in a deceitful & delerious spirit if you think you are saved by grace alone. Works and Faith are you saved by the GRACE of God. And Kevin, shame on you for not having your new born written in the book of life, as you were, your wife, your parents, grand parents etc. You and your current actions are not only shameful to God and Our Lord Jesus Christ but also to your parents, grand parents, relatives and friends that grew up with you in our Church. Why don't you give your newborn child the same chance as you, your wife and your other children??? Like so many Molokans that have left early on their life, most of them will eventually want to come back in your oler life. Because as an elder once said, they always crave borsch & lapsha. And seeking, if you think I am saying the physical food, you are wrong. What we have as Spiritual Christian Jumper & Leapers, is that we are part of the True Church of Our Lord Jesus Chrsit (Yes, us True Beleivers, the church of Adam, Abraham, Isaac, David, our apostles etc) is extremely special. We are not of the grafted on to the vine, but part of the vine itself. Its people like you herotics on this site and lost digruntled ex-molokans, that need to humble and repent yourselves and stop this bashing of the true church. And yes, you are probably going to say, "where can I cut and past verses from the bible"? Well, Im not. Because I dont have to. If you were part of the True Church, then you wouldn't have to ask. The way we baptise/christen (Xtini) our youth, is beautiful and no other church out there can proclaim that. Regards, Downunder (and extremely sadend in what is happening in our community and how the devil is infiltrating our church thru these fales teachings) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2010 That passage in Matthew has NOTHING to do with infant baptism nor does it establish the practice for it Furthermore those children at that moment were not "saved" or "eternally secured" I could just as easily make a case (wrongly so) for leper xtini by taking other passages out of context and apply my opinions to them And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. (Matthew 8:3) How about blind guy xtini ? And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. (Matthew 8:23) How about Jesus xtini? And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him. Matther 26:50 How about bread xtini? Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? (Mark 7:5) There is nothing wrong with having a prayer for anyone or anything as long as it's in accordance with the Bible I could not make a case for praying for a "successful" bank robbery or something that would be contrary to Scripture However, the notion of guaranteeing someone's Salvation because of a prayer at birth or after death IS NOT found in Scripture 13 ¶ Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven." 15 And He laid His hands on them and departed from there. (Matthew 19:13-15) I gotta say...you kids are embarrassing the whole narod with your rhetoric. Kevin....stop whining and go to your humble corner pray to the living God that he miraculously save you from your own self. You heathens make a simple ceremony about a newly born child into a satanic ritual....which it is not. It isn't even remotely catholic....devoid of the Spirit of God. Simply, we pray over the child and give it a new name. Place our hands over the child like Jesus did in Matthew 19:14 and 15 while asking that the the Holy Spirit abide upon the child and guide the child all it's days. Then, we pray and sing in a rejoicing manner to God giving praise to Him for delivering a new healthy member to the family. What on God's green earth is wrong with praying to the Lord to dedicate a young one to Him and asking for the Holy Spirit to be with child? What is wrong with giving God praise? NOTHING. You people are sick! Does false christianity cause you to think like this. Pray for your souls and stop condemning those who pray to God. Stop judging people...for you do not know what is on their heart. Pull the log out of your own eyes first like the bible says. I honestly dont even think you people read the bible. Maybe you should. It'll scare the hell right out of you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest allornonebenevolentones Report post Posted April 15, 2010 I never said that the little children in that story were saved of eternally secured. Why would you make that claim? Did you not read my post? I never said a child is saved or eternally secured by the laying on of hands during a simple house or church prayer either. But my gosh...if that is the dear wish of a father for that of his young child....far be it for me to stop them. That is just a godly and comendable thing for a believer in truth to do. Even the world knows enough to have a dedication for their children to God. But the scary thing is....how many milllions or billions just do not care? This is pretty sad stuff. That said, I don't think that simple prayer does actually put a name in the book of life. I know that this happens when one repents of sins and has understanding of God's will. None of us has that until faith is built up inside of us. I do believe that the simple prayer and the laying on of hands and the blessing that hopefully follows as well as the true belief of the parents, is very powerful and God does hear that and as long as this family stays true to God, He will guide them and their children through the Holy Spirit. God says, ask and ye shall receive. This is more empirical evidence that some of you on this confounded website lack spiritual direction. That's pretty sad. Why so bitter? You guys are on a tiny little website telling others that prayer is bad. Shame on you for turning people away from the Lord. You will have to answer for that. God's words, not mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2010 Why would you cite the passage in Matthew in your post if it had nothing to do with it? Can you show me where in Scripture, during your lifetime, your name gets written in the Book of Life? Can you show me where in Scripture our Salvation is based upon us having "faith" "built up inside of us"? God does not hear the prayers of the unrighteous so how can you say "believe that the simple prayer and the laying on of hands and the blessing that hopefully follows as well as the true belief of the parents, is very powerful and God does hear that and as long as this family stays true to God, He will guide them and their children through the Holy Spirit" Can you show me where in Scripture where the above is? God does say "ask and ye shall receive" but that's a little out of context It's asking according to His will... You cannot ask for something illegal or contrary to Scripture and expect God to hear that prayer Again, if you do not have a personal relationship with Jesus the ONLY prayer He's hearing is you calling out asking for Salvation otherwise all your other "prayers" are bouncing off the ceiling and falling back to the floor Do you know what empirical evidence is? empirical : originating in or based on observation or experience That does not establish Biblical Truth You can say "molokans practice racism" That would be a TRUE statement and can be determined through empirical evidence That DO NOT make it a TRUE Biblical precept or Christian tenet Again, YOU are not reading Let's see EXACTLY what I said "There is nothing wrong with having a prayer for anyone or anything as long as it's in accordance with the Bible" AND I said "I could not make a case for praying for a "successful" bank robbery or something that would be contrary to Scripture" I'm not turning people away from the Biblical Jesus rather trying to point people away from the various gods of the cult of molokanism that all take the place of the ONE and True Lord It's a simple concept to understand Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lastinline 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2010 downunder' date='Apr 14 2010, 11:04 PM' post='55520'] Seeking, You are in a deceitful & delerious spirit if you think you are saved by grace alone. Works and Faith are you saved by the GRACE of God. Like so many Molokans that have left early on their life, most of them will eventually want to come back in your oler life. Because as an elder once said, they always crave borsch & lapsha. And seeking, if you think I am saying the physical food, you are wrong. Apostle Paul, calls you foolish and cursed, so put that in your bad (new israel) lopsha. Galatians 3: 1. O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” NKJV And here it is Russian which new israelites believe is the only way god can communicate with his people. Галатам 3: 1. О, несмысленные Галаты! кто прельстил вас не покоряться истине 10 а все, утверждающиеся на делах закона, находятся под клятвою. Ибо написано: проклят всяк, кто не исполняет постоянно всего, что написано в книге закона. lastinline (where the view keeps getting better & better - лучший и лучший) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest watching Report post Posted April 15, 2010 downunder' date='Apr 14 2010, 11:04 PM' post='55520'] Seeking, You are in a deceitful & delerious spirit if you think you are saved by grace alone. Works and Faith are you saved by the GRACE of God. Like so many Molokans that have left early on their life, most of them will eventually want to come back in your oler life. Because as an elder once said, they always crave borsch & lapsha. And seeking, if you think I am saying the physical food, you are wrong. Apostle Paul, calls you foolish and cursed, so put that in your bad (new israel) lopsha. Galatians 3: 1. O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” NKJV And here it is Russian which new israelites believe is the only way god can communicate with his people. Галатам 3: 1. О, несмысленные Галаты! кто прельстил вас не покоряться истине 10 а все, утверждающиеся на делах закона, находятся под клятвою. Ибо написано: проклят всяк, кто не исполняет постоянно всего, что написано в книге закона. lastinline (where the view keeps getting better & better - лучший и лучший) Lastinline. Go away you hypocrite. You ###### on Molokans and go to a Molokan church. Build up the church or slither away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Shubin 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 You judge me and yet you don't even know me. It's bad enough to judge a brother...we aren't even that. How on earth could you possibly know what I eat, how I treat people who are of another ethnical background and if I even consider myself a Molokan in the general sense of the word? From the tone of your posts, it's very apparent what's in your heart. Someone said that because of how some people on this site post, that they would return the attitude in kind. It would seem that you also hold to that ideal. Other than your own conjecture, what do you bring to the table to show your faith approved by God? Scripture is very clear, as to the attitude that a born again, or changed person is to have. Read for yourself, your own posts, can you honestly say that those are the writtings of a believer? I use the term believer, since it seems that Christian, is an offensive term to some people. I have said it before, and i'll say it again, seekings way may not be warm and fuzzy, but you can not deny the message, that's if you are a student of Scripture. Could he improve on his delivery? I'm sure he could, and i'm sure that the thought has crossed his mind. But like the rest of us, he is fallible. Are you without your flaws? We all have flaws, and idiosyncracies that are abrasive to others, i have a ton! But please, allow yourself to seperate the message, from the messenger. Delve into the Scriptures, see if what he, or anyone else is saying is false. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downunder Guest Report post Posted April 16, 2010 Lastline, I think you should re-read the quote you posted. This only applies to all of you non-believers on this website. The ones that are apart of the Church of the Purple Harlot. downunder' date='Apr 14 2010, 11:04 PM' post='55520'] Seeking, You are in a deceitful & delerious spirit if you think you are saved by grace alone. Works and Faith are you saved by the GRACE of God. Like so many Molokans that have left early on their life, most of them will eventually want to come back in your oler life. Because as an elder once said, they always crave borsch & lapsha. And seeking, if you think I am saying the physical food, you are wrong. Apostle Paul, calls you foolish and cursed, so put that in your bad (new israel) lopsha. Galatians 3: 1. O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” NKJV And here it is Russian which new israelites believe is the only way god can communicate with his people. Галатам 3: 1. О, несмысленные Галаты! кто прельстил вас не покоряться истине 10 а все, утверждающиеся на делах закона, находятся под клятвою. Ибо написано: проклят всяк, кто не исполняет постоянно всего, что написано в книге закона. lastinline (where the view keeps getting better & better - лучший и лучший) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Shubin 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 Lastline, I think you should re-read the quote you posted. This only applies to all of you non-believers on this website. The ones that are apart of the Church of the Purple Harlot. And here, is a fine example of an un-changed heart. This person holds on to the same hatred, fear, and loathing that he/she has had all their life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest shicknubin Report post Posted April 16, 2010 You judge me and yet you don't even know me. It's bad enough to judge a brother...we aren't even that. How on earth could you possibly know what I eat, how I treat people who are of another ethnical background and if I even consider myself a Molokan in the general sense of the word? From the tone of your posts, it's very apparent what's in your heart. Someone said that because of how some people on this site post, that they would return the attitude in kind. It would seem that you also hold to that ideal. Other than your own conjecture, what do you bring to the table to show your faith approved by God? Scripture is very clear, as to the attitude that a born again, or changed person is to have. Read for yourself, your own posts, can you honestly say that those are the writtings of a believer? I use the term believer, since it seems that Christian, is an offensive term to some people. I have said it before, and i'll say it again, seekings way may not be warm and fuzzy, but you can not deny the message, that's if you are a student of Scripture. Could he improve on his delivery? I'm sure he could, and i'm sure that the thought has crossed his mind. But like the rest of us, he is fallible. Are you without your flaws? We all have flaws, and idiosyncracies that are abrasive to others, i have a ton! But please, allow yourself to seperate the message, from the messenger. Delve into the Scriptures, see if what he, or anyone else is saying is false. I am the newly reincarnated Shick Nubin....I am not mean. I believe in Jesus. I take my kids to play sports and be with their kind. I go to my mother church and suck up. Then come the weekend, I'll slander and mock all the Molokans, because mine don't stink, but I do want my kids to marry a Russian, because deep down, I don't really want halfbreeds in the family....oh my, I would never hear the end of that from my hypocrite Molokan buddies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 Kevin....stop whining and go to your humble corner pray to the living God that he miraculously save you from your own self. I didn't realize I was whining. So then, let's get back to the discussion about xtini. You heathens make a simple ceremony about a newly born child into a satanic ritual....which it is not. It is not a simple ceremony. If it were simple, then why are people shunned for not having one? In and of itself, the ceremony is not a satanic ritual. It is not worshiping satan. But I do question the motives behind the ceremony. Why are people scared at the thought of not performing this ceremony? Why does the author of the Molokan Information Project show such a flipant attitude toward babies who did not have this ceremony? Re-read it yourself. These are his own words - A few weeks ago, a couple with this disregard for such matters brought a newborn child to the hospital with unknown troubles and woes. Immediately, those parents began to pray, asked others to pray and a great worry was created for those parents. A question arises here: Why even worry or care? If they didn't have the mind or heart to fulfill what is required of them by our faith, then what is the big deal now? It isn't even remotely catholic....devoid of the Spirit of God. Simply, we pray over the child and give it a new name. Place our hands over the child like Jesus did in Matthew 19:14 and 15 while asking that the the Holy Spirit abide upon the child and guide the child all it's days. Then, we pray and sing in a rejoicing manner to God giving praise to Him for delivering a new healthy member to the family. What on God's green earth is wrong with praying to the Lord to dedicate a young one to Him and asking for the Holy Spirit to be with child? What is wrong with giving God praise? NOTHING. You people are sick! Does false christianity cause you to think like this. Pray for your souls and stop condemning those who pray to God. Stop judging people...for you do not know what is on their heart. Pull the log out of your own eyes first like the bible says. I honestly dont even think you people read the bible. Maybe you should. It'll scare the hell right out of you. You must not have read some of the very first posts by seeking or myself. It is a good thing to pray to the Lord and dedicate a young one to Him. That is not the issue, and never was the issue with anybody. Re-read the posts above. The issue is with the specific ceremony itself and the attitude of those who shun and condemn anybody who did not "fulfill" this ceremony. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 And Kevin, shame on you for not having your new born written in the book of life, as you were, your wife, your parents, grand parents etc. You and your current actions are not only shameful to God and Our Lord Jesus Christ but also to your parents, grand parents, relatives and friends that grew up with you in our Church. Why don't you give your newborn child the same chance as you, your wife and your other children??? I am always willing to admit when I am wrong, repent of it and take corrective action. That is one of the reasons why I originally posted this article. Just last week I asked a few of my friends to pray for me about the issue of xtini. I have searched the scriptures, and they are silent in regards to this "infant baptism ceremony". I have searched the scriptures, and they are silent in regards to asking for an infants name to be written into the book of life. I have searched the scriptures, and they are silent in regards to withholding rights from parents or children who choose to not partake in this "ceremony". So please clarify, how are my actions shameful? I am asking in all sincerity. I am willing to listen... The way we baptise/christen (Xtini) our youth, is beautiful and no other church out there can proclaim that. It may seem beautiful, but is it scriptural? Abstaining from milk on fridays was also considered "beautiful" by the catholic church, but our predki rejected it and the catholic church. And the predki rejected this man made ritual because it was not in scripture! Ugh.........what a mess.... Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 Lastly, prayer is never frowned upon by God. Your right, God does not frown on prayer. But, apparently, the Molokan Infromation Project writer does... These are his own words - A few weeks ago, a couple with this disregard for such matters brought a newborn child to the hospital with unknown troubles and woes. Immediately, those parents began to pray, asked others to pray and a great worry was created for those parents. A question arises here: Why even worry or care? If they didn't have the mind or heart to fulfill what is required of them by our faith, then what is the big deal now? I say, if you're so foolish as to reject our Church Orders and the fulfillment of Rights upon your very own children, it is best to either have yourself sterilized or as some elders say, keep it in your pants, mister! Why would you want to ask God for the privilege of caring for a soul and then in outright disobedience refuse prayer and ask for a blessing upon it? What kind of love would these parents really have? Do they deserve to have possession of a soul from God? If our people were ignorant of such matters and had no means to sanctify a newborn child, then there might be some excuse. But, the spiritual Molokon is without excuse. Those parents should be informed that they should find another religion to give their children to, one that allows a child to remain in its unclean state, unsanctified and without the blessing of God, and its name unknown among angels and forsaken by unbelieving parents. Not only does he write off babies who did not have xtini, he wants to kick them out of church! Wow. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Shubin 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 You judge me and yet you don't even know me. It's bad enough to judge a brother...we aren't even that. How on earth could you possibly know what I eat, how I treat people who are of another ethnical background and if I even consider myself a Molokan in the general sense of the word? From the tone of your posts, it's very apparent what's in your heart. Someone said that because of how some people on this site post, that they would return the attitude in kind. It would seem that you also hold to that ideal. Other than your own conjecture, what do you bring to the table to show your faith approved by God? Scripture is very clear, as to the attitude that a born again, or changed person is to have. Read for yourself, your own posts, can you honestly say that those are the writtings of a believer? I use the term believer, since it seems that Christian, is an offensive term to some people. I have said it before, and i'll say it again, seekings way may not be warm and fuzzy, but you can not deny the message, that's if you are a student of Scripture. Could he improve on his delivery? I'm sure he could, and i'm sure that the thought has crossed his mind. But like the rest of us, he is fallible. Are you without your flaws? We all have flaws, and idiosyncracies that are abrasive to others, i have a ton! But please, allow yourself to seperate the message, from the messenger. Delve into the Scriptures, see if what he, or anyone else is saying is false. I am the newly reincarnated Shick Nubin....I am not mean. I believe in Jesus. I take my kids to play sports and be with their kind. I go to my mother church and suck up. Then come the weekend, I'll slander and mock all the Molokans, because mine don't stink, but I do want my kids to marry a Russian, because deep down, I don't really want halfbreeds in the family....oh my, I would never hear the end of that from my hypocrite Molokan buddies. You can lash out all you want, the more you do, the more it shows who you really are. There is a remedy, it is found in the mercy of Jesus Christ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lastinline 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 'Downunder Guest' date='Apr 15 2010, 08:37 PM' post='55648' Lastline, I think you should re-read the quote you posted. This only applies to all of you non-believers on this website. The ones that are apart of the Church of the Purple Harlot. Hi Downunder (I guess that means you are a Aussie Molokan) I'm sorry you feel that way, but we all have a right to make our own judgments (while still breathing). You know in all honesty, about ten years ago I would pretty much responded back in much the same manner. I have an idea that I would like to run past you, I will open another strand that we might call "downunder and lastinline, just talking things out. I would like then start the discussion with just two questions. I'd like them to be basic discussions about some important life issues. I would like them to be respectful, honest as possible and heart-felt at some level. So, what do you think, I know you might be saying, why do I want to waste time talking to this idiot? Let me assure you, I'm not an idiot and know you are not, also! Look, I'm trying to stay on the right PATH, as I'm reasonably sure, your are also. Just maybe, just maybe we can help each other out. At least we can give it a go and see what happens. With that you can meet me on the other strand and I ask others to try and let us talk and as you know, you'll get to listen in. So, with that, let's give it a try, MATE! lastinline (with strong hopes & dreams just like rest of you) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 Further illustrations of conditional love Tow the cult party line and we're "brothers" Ask questions... you're OUT Wow seeking, the way you mapped it for us heathens, gives me the weebe-geebees. But, since I am the elder statesman (I think), I'm going say thank you, to you young bucks for actually being an inspiration to this old guy. lastinline (but alive and kicking) Further illustrations of conditional love Tow the cult party line and we're "brothers" Ask questions... you're OUT Nick is now (a) 1) Suck up 2) Half breed 3) hypocrite 4) slanderer 5) mocker 6) heathen 7) devoid of the Spirit of God Kevin is now (a) 1) mocker 2) irrational 3) whiner 4) heathen 5) person devoid of the Spirit of God 6) hypocrite 7) sexual heathen Lastinline is now (a) 1) snake (slither reference) 2) heathen 3) person devoid of the Spirit of God and I am now (a) 1) causing "spiritual death" 2) spreading heresy 3) internet antichrist (that one makes me chuckle) 4) heathen 5) devoid of the Spirit of God All this coming from a member of a cult who CANNOT make a cohesive Biblical case for their failed religion of men You say "don't judge me, bro" yet I CONTINUE to explain the Word of God (not my opinions) and your testimony of who Jesus is & how Salvation is secured is judging you What about your judgment of those listed above based upon your complete lack of understanding of basic Christian tenets You make claims about "spreading heresy" yet you CANNOT provide a SINGLE shred of evidence to support your misguided claim Repeating yourself and repeating yourself and repeating yourself proves NOTHING Look in the mirror It's time you put on your big boy pants and get serious about what you believe and why Especially the WHY part I surmise that you are beginning to realize you've been duped by your fellow cult members and it's scaring you to death It's also cutting at your pride coming to the realization you been wrong all of your life That's a good thing Now it's time to really crack open a Bible and begin looking at what you really believe in the light of God's Word and stop BLINDLY accepting the hodge-podge of mysticism, gnosticism, racism, mormonism, jehovah witness-ism, occultism all rolled up to make molokanism It's really time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lastinline 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 Wow seeking, the way you mapped it for us heathens, gives me the weebe-geebees. But, since I am the elder statesman (I think), I'm going say thank you, to you young bucks for actually being an inspiration to this old guy. lastinline (but alive and kicking) 'seeking_truth_1' date='Apr 16 2010, 09:12 AM' post='55710' Further illustrations of conditional love Tow the cult party line and we're "brothers" Ask questions... you're OUT Nick is now (a) 1) Suck up 2) Half breed 3) hypocrite 4) slanderer 5) mocker 6) heathen 7) devoid of the Spirit of God Kevin is now (a) 1) mocker 2) irrational 3) whiner 4) heathen 5) person devoid of the Spirit of God 6) hypocrite 7) sexual heathen Lastinline is now (a) 1) snake (slither reference) 2) heathen 3) person devoid of the Spirit of God and I am now (a) 1) causing "spiritual death" 2) spreading heresy 3) internet antichrist (that one makes me chuckle) 4) heathen 5) devoid of the Spirit of God Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest agua Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Kevin, I'm curious. I don't remember if you had a boy or girl, I suppose it's posted somewhere above^ Have you thought about the future? Would you and your wife be happy with your child marrying a non-molokan? When you really think about it, they would become family and would need to be treated as such. People who are raised in different cultures will have a hard time adapting to each other. Like I said, I'm just curious if you've thought it all out. This is a decision that will affect your child. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Kevin, I'm curious. I don't remember if you had a boy or girl, I suppose it's posted somewhere above^ A girl, Elena. Have you thought about the future? Every day. Would you and your wife be happy with your child marrying a non-molokan? God is not concerned with our happiness, but our holiness. We will teach these precious little ones to seek God for their future mate. He will provide their mate, not me. I will not reject the mate God has chosen for my kids. In the context of nationality... If God provides a Russian, then fine. If God provides a Mexican, then fine. If God provides a Jew, then fine. If God provides a Indian, then fine. It is really up to Him, not me. The only requirement is that he/she be a born-from-above, Jesus-loving christian. And we are doing our utmost to raise, train and prepare our kids for their future mate. Another thing, I do not want my kids to think I am pushing them not to marry a russian. I am trying my hardest not to speak negatively in regards to any particular race or nationality, including russians. And I also do not speak ill in regards to Afircans, Mexicans, Chinese, etc When you really think about it, they would become family and would need to be treated as such. People who are raised in different cultures will have a hard time adapting to each other. Like I said, I'm just curious if you've thought it all out. This is a decision that will affect your child. Different cultures are not what causes hard times. Pride, anger, lust, greed, adultery, selfishness, bitterness, and fear are what causes hardships and divorce. Every thing I do will affect my wife and kids. But I am trying to do what God wants me to do, as written in His holy word. Thanks for the questions. Can I ask you this? What do you think of the statement in the above article that calls for parents and infants that do not have xtini to leave the molokan church? Do you agree with that statement? Do you think the author should either clarify or repent of his statement? What do you think God thinks about that statement? Do you think the statement is consistent with the word of God? How come nobody is crying foul to his constant bashing? Shouldn't this man be confronted? And lastly, is anybody going to provide some scripture in regards to infant baptism/xtini. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest allthatnaz Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Why should he be confronted? Everyone has a right to their own opinion. You seem to spew out your opinions as if everyone should care about them. Who are you but a sinner? Sure, I disagree with the guy about what he said towards the couple not having xtini and then asking everyone in sight to pray. WHO CARES? Get over it. You seem to enjoy taking out a vendetta on everything that you don't agree with. By the way, I'd like to know what you really think about your little girl growing up and preferring black men. Shut your hypocritical face Kev. You as well as I know that you wouldn't want her marrying an arap or a spic. Boyyy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Our little thumper is still on the attack spreading more racist views You continue to make it up as you go apart from the Truth that is found in Scripture You've made statements and yet have FAILEd to back them up with anything Here's your chance again What heresy am I spreading? Please cite specific places where I have done so and provide Biblical passages to support your flawed opinion What heresy am I spreading? Please cite specific instances As to judging you...It's not based in opinions Your own words judge you when compared to Scripture Let us deal in FACTS and not hyperbolic rhetoric I'll be waiting And you are a cult of personality. Grow up. I wouldn't blame you for anything if you weren't spreading lies and heresy. If you were the only one to suffer I wouldn't be so angry with you, it wouldn't matter so much....but you are potentially affecting anyone who reads your garbage and maybe causing them spiritual death. You are correct in that I don't like your message. This is the problem with you. You are an internet antichrist. Plain and simple. You judge me and yet you don't even know me. It's bad enough to judge a brother...we aren't even that. How on earth could you possibly know what I eat, how I treat people who are of another ethnical background and if I even consider myself a Molokan in the general sense of the word? You will not win the war going on with yourself and satan until you repent and stop verbally assaulting other people because you just can't understand them through your internet connection antichrist revival hour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Sure everyone has the right to their own opinions Those opinions are either of God or not They are found in Scripture or not You racism CANNOT be found in the Bible In fact, it is yet another indicator you DO NOT know the Truth and will be separated from God for all of eternity 26 For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on the character of Christ, like putting on new clothes. 28 There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God's promise to Abraham belongs to you. (Galatians 3:26-29) You still need to address where and how I am spreading "heresy" Still waiting Why should he be confronted? Everyone has a right to their own opinion. You seem to spew out your opinions as if everyone should care about them. Who are you but a sinner? Sure, I disagree with the guy about what he said towards the couple not having xtini and then asking everyone in sight to pray. WHO CARES? Get over it. You seem to enjoy taking out a vendetta on everything that you don't agree with. By the way, I'd like to know what you really think about your little girl growing up and preferring black men. Shut your hypocritical face Kev. You as well as I know that you wouldn't want her marrying an arap or a spic. Boyyy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest just a person Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Kevin, I'm curious. I don't remember if you had a boy or girl, I suppose it's posted somewhere above^ A girl, Elena. Have you thought about the future? Every day. Would you and your wife be happy with your child marrying a non-molokan? God is not concerned with our happiness, but our holiness. We will teach these precious little ones to seek God for their future mate. He will provide their mate, not me. I will not reject the mate God has chosen for my kids. In the context of nationality... If God provides a Russian, then fine. If God provides a Mexican, then fine. If God provides a Jew, then fine. If God provides a Indian, then fine. It is really up to Him, not me. The only requirement is that he/she be a born-from-above, Jesus-loving christian. And we are doing our utmost to raise, train and prepare our kids for their future mate. Another thing, I do not want my kids to think I am pushing them not to marry a russian. I am trying my hardest not to speak negatively in regards to any particular race or nationality, including russians. And I also do not speak ill in regards to Afircans, Mexicans, Chinese, etc When you really think about it, they would become family and would need to be treated as such. People who are raised in different cultures will have a hard time adapting to each other. Like I said, I'm just curious if you've thought it all out. This is a decision that will affect your child. Different cultures are not what causes hard times. Pride, anger, lust, greed, adultery, selfishness, bitterness, and fear are what causes hardships and divorce. Every thing I do will affect my wife and kids. But I am trying to do what God wants me to do, as written in His holy word. Thanks for the questions. Can I ask you this? What do you think of the statement in the above article that calls for parents and infants that do not have xtini to leave the molokan church? Do you agree with that statement? Do you think the author should either clarify or repent of his statement? What do you think God thinks about that statement? Do you think the statement is consistent with the word of God? How come nobody is crying foul to his constant bashing? Shouldn't this man be confronted? And lastly, is anybody going to provide some scripture in regards to infant baptism/xtini. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest just a person Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Kevin, I'm curious. I don't remember if you had a boy or girl, I suppose it's posted somewhere above^ A girl, Elena. Have you thought about the future? Every day. Would you and your wife be happy with your child marrying a non-molokan? God is not concerned with our happiness, but our holiness. We will teach these precious little ones to seek God for their future mate. He will provide their mate, not me. I will not reject the mate God has chosen for my kids. In the context of nationality... If God provides a Russian, then fine. If God provides a Mexican, then fine. If God provides a Jew, then fine. If God provides a Indian, then fine. It is really up to Him, not me. The only requirement is that he/she be a born-from-above, Jesus-loving christian. And we are doing our utmost to raise, train and prepare our kids for their future mate. Another thing, I do not want my kids to think I am pushing them not to marry a russian. I am trying my hardest not to speak negatively in regards to any particular race or nationality, including russians. And I also do not speak ill in regards to Afircans, Mexicans, Chinese, etc When you really think about it, they would become family and would need to be treated as such. People who are raised in different cultures will have a hard time adapting to each other. Like I said, I'm just curious if you've thought it all out. This is a decision that will affect your child. Different cultures are not what causes hard times. Pride, anger, lust, greed, adultery, selfishness, bitterness, and fear are what causes hardships and divorce. Every thing I do will affect my wife and kids. But I am trying to do what God wants me to do, as written in His holy word. Thanks for the questions. Can I ask you this? What do you think of the statement in the above article that calls for parents and infants that do not have xtini to leave the molokan church? Do you agree with that statement? Do you think the author should either clarify or repent of his statement? What do you think God thinks about that statement? Do you think the statement is consistent with the word of God? How come nobody is crying foul to his constant bashing? Shouldn't this man be confronted? And lastly, is anybody going to provide some scripture in regards to infant baptism/xtini. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest just human Report post Posted April 17, 2010 And lastly, is anybody going to provide some scripture in regards to infant baptism/xtini. Kevin Nazaroff Kevin please be Patient with me, this will probably be my first and last posting on this site. But nobody is giving any answers, only debates. Revelation 21: 22-27 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates every be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will every enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. Kevin, I typed all these verses because I think they are beautiful and splendid! What a awesome way to start our child's life and our new life as parents . . . on our knees. On our knees thanking our God for this creation of His, thanking God for the safe deliveries and our health of our families. We ask our God for guidance to raise our children in the light of Jesus Christ, so we can honor our God. We not only ask for the book of life, but we ask for Книгу Жизну У Агница. The book of life of the Lamb our Lamb Jesus Christ. God gives us so many blessings, now as we start this new life raising families on our knees, bowing before the Lord. I pray that all the young families realize this doing in the doors of our churches;that this is not just protocol, but it's a call to a spiritual life, a road that leads to a lot of refining and that we must turn towards our God for this. And I pray that all of these families, when they walk out of church after extini, that we all remain and our knees and show our wives, husbands, and children what Christ looks like. Like the sower and the seed, that the seeds sent to our families are not thrown on paths, rocks, our thorns, but on fertile soil and that we can yield a hundred times more than was sown. Luke 8 We pray for God's strength and wisdom in his path for us in our children and in humbleness. Kevin, remember you have been through trials, and through God using people to be a Light of Christ to help you, you need to be just as understanding and loving. When you put down the people in our church, you are putting down people who need to see the loving example of the light of Christ. We have wonderful God fearing examples in our Molokan brotherhood, but we also have people who are finding their path. Wouldn't you say that is also true of the other church that your are going too? I don't hear the same judgments coming out of you towards them; just compassion . . . . it's just something to think about. Kevin I truly pray for God to bless your family, that you have a wonderful life truly living the compassion that Christ showed for us sinners. Believe me, I need to remember this compassion also. This will probably be my only posting, I probably won't even get on this website anymore. It is a website of confusion and people bashing people. We need to come together in Christ, and pray for each other . . . yes, I need to be reminded of this too, I too fall short of the glory of God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest just human Report post Posted April 17, 2010 And lastly, is anybody going to provide some scripture in regards to infant baptism/xtini. Kevin Nazaroff Kevin please be Patient with me, this will probably be my first and last posting on this site. But nobody is giving any answers, only debates. Revelation 21: 22-27 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates every be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will every enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. Kevin, I typed all these verses because I think they are beautiful and splendid! What a awesome way to start our child's life and our new life as parents . . . on our knees. On our knees thanking our God for this creation of His, thanking God for the safe deliveries and our health of our families. We ask our God for guidance to raise our children in the light of Jesus Christ, so we can honor our God. We not only ask for the book of life, but we ask for Книгу Жизну У Агница. The book of life of the Lamb our Lamb Jesus Christ. God gives us so many blessings, now as we start this new life raising families on our knees, bowing before the Lord. I pray that all the young families realize this doing in the doors of our churches;that this is not just protocol, but it's a call to a spiritual life, a road that leads to a lot of refining and that we must turn towards our God for this. And I pray that all of these families, when they walk out of church after extini, that we all remain and our knees and show our wives, husbands, and children what Christ looks like. Like the sower and the seed, that the seeds sent to our families are not thrown on paths, rocks, our thorns, but on fertile soil and that we can yield a hundred times more than was sown. Luke 8 We pray for God's strength and wisdom in his path for us in our children and in humbleness. Kevin, remember you have been through trials, and through God using people to be a Light of Christ to help you, you need to be just as understanding and loving. When you put down the people in our church, you are putting down people who need to see the loving example of the light of Christ. We have wonderful God fearing examples in our Molokan brotherhood, but we also have people who are finding their path. Wouldn't you say that is also true of the other church that your are going too? I don't hear the same judgments coming out of you towards them; just compassion . . . . it's just something to think about. Kevin I truly pray for God to bless your family, that you have a wonderful life truly living the compassion that Christ showed for us sinners. Believe me, I need to remember this compassion also. This will probably be my only posting, I probably won't even get on this website anymore. It is a website of confusion and people bashing people. We need to come together in Christ, and pray for each other . . . yes, I need to be reminded of this too, I too fall short of the glory of God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Kevin, I'm curious. I don't remember if you had a boy or girl, I suppose it's posted somewhere above^ A girl, Elena. Have you thought about the future? Every day. Would you and your wife be happy with your child marrying a non-molokan? God is not concerned with our happiness, but our holiness. We will teach these precious little ones to seek God for their future mate. He will provide their mate, not me. I will not reject the mate God has chosen for my kids. In the context of nationality... If God provides a Russian, then fine. If God provides a Mexican, then fine. If God provides a Jew, then fine. If God provides a Indian, then fine. It is really up to Him, not me. The only requirement is that he/she be a born-from-above, Jesus-loving christian. And we are doing our utmost to raise, train and prepare our kids for their future mate. Another thing, I do not want my kids to think I am pushing them not to marry a russian. I am trying my hardest not to speak negatively in regards to any particular race or nationality, including russians. And I also do not speak ill in regards to Afircans, Mexicans, Chinese, etc When you really think about it, they would become family and would need to be treated as such. People who are raised in different cultures will have a hard time adapting to each other. Like I said, I'm just curious if you've thought it all out. This is a decision that will affect your child. Different cultures are not what causes hard times. Pride, anger, lust, greed, adultery, selfishness, bitterness, and fear are what causes hardships and divorce. Every thing I do will affect my wife and kids. But I am trying to do what God wants me to do, as written in His holy word. Thanks for the questions. Can I ask you this? What do you think of the statement in the above article that calls for parents and infants that do not have xtini to leave the molokan church? Do you agree with that statement? Do you think the author should either clarify or repent of his statement? What do you think God thinks about that statement? Do you think the statement is consistent with the word of God? How come nobody is crying foul to his constant bashing? Shouldn't this man be confronted? And lastly, is anybody going to provide some scripture in regards to infant baptism/xtini. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest person Report post Posted April 17, 2010 And lastly, is anybody going to provide some scripture in regards to infant baptism/xtini. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest human Report post Posted April 17, 2010 And lastly, is anybody going to provide some scripture in regards to infant baptism/xtini. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Scorcho Grande Report post Posted April 17, 2010 You can't take a stand on Spiritual matters based on how you emotionally feel about something. If you feel an emotional tug towards racism that doesn't make it all right with God, it doesn't make it spiritually correct, it definitely doesn't make it scripturally correct. Be very careful when you assume that because something feels right to you that it is OK with God. This has become a problem with the Molokan Church, people worry about their kids maryying a person with the right blood line and standinig first, and don't give any thought to how that person believes. If all you knew about Molokanism was what you read on this site you would know that there are many belief systems within the Molokan community, there are those who believe that Jesus is God, those that believe that Jesus is their Savior but not God, those that believe that salvation comes from MGR, and I'm sure I am missing a few others. I have to confess that I do believe that Jesus is God, the Bible doesn't give me any room to believe otherwise, when you believe this way some things become far more clear and inescapable, Jesus' example and commands don't leave any room for us to live life in a racist viewpoint, the fact that the message was shared with us is proof of that. This is the core reason that I believe that so many refuse to believe that Jesus is God once you beleive that Jesus is God, then his example and commands become God's example and commands, and thus impossible to deny or ignore. Please remember that to a Pharisee of Jesus' time a Russsian peasant, heck even Russian royalty would have been nothing but a filthy rag, something to be avoided at all costs Thank God that Jesus didn't feel the same. As for not confronting or correcting this person, everyone has a right to their opinion, but when they are actively going out and trying to persuade people to go against scripture then no one has the right to remain silent. This person is mistaking hate for God's message, and this is very very wrong, particularly when you are talking about children. If someone was trying to convince your son or daughter to worship Satan, do you just chalk that up to theri opinion? I hope not, somone doing that is working against God I know that I would correct that person immediately, the author of this tract is doing no different than the person pushing Satan, are you OK witht that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest agua Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Kevin, Well I hope that your wife is with you 100% on this decision. This is something that can rear it's ugly head down the road and cause problems. This procedure is giving to us by MGR based on scripture, so I can see why you'd be against it. I don't expect to be seeing you at any weddings, funerals, or child dedication prayers - as they have all been given to us by Maxim. Attending or supporting these doings would show your support and validation that the writings of MGR are Godly inspired. LIL (do as I say, not as I do) does not see it this way for some reason, but apparently Steve, Paul, Nick and yourself do. Which would lead any outsider looking at the situation to say you are going with complete faith, doesn't mean I agree, just that you are wholeheartedly making a stand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Why should he be confronted? Everyone has a right to their own opinion. You seem to spew out your opinions as if everyone should care about them. Who are you but a sinner? Sure, I disagree with the guy about what he said towards the couple not having xtini and then asking everyone in sight to pray. WHO CARES? Get over it. You seem to enjoy taking out a vendetta on everything that you don't agree with. Who cares? Obviously not you. It does not matter whether or not you disagree with the article or not. What matters is that you get right with God. Have you been converted? Do you currently have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate your "spititual life"? How would you rate your prayer life? How would you rate your relationship with spouse/parents? How would you rate your discipline? How would you rate your compassion for others? Abiding in Jesus Christ will change a mans heart through and through. It is a scary thing to think about being separated from God for all of eternity. By your own words, from your own post, I don't think you got past a 1 on any of these questions. By the way, I'd like to know what you really think about your little girl growing up and preferring black men. Shut your hypocritical face Kev. You as well as I know that you wouldn't want her marrying an arap or a spic. Boyyy. I can not "shut up". I can only speak what is in my heart. 45 “The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart. Luke 6:45 NASB If you don't like it, then you should probably make your permanent home at the under- ground. Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 You say "This procedure is giving to us by MGR based on scripture" Please cite Bible Chapter and verse to support infant baptism You next comment is ridiculous "so I can see why you'd be against it" Kevin's got it RIGHT and you are unfortunately LOST if you believe the writings of mgr are in any way God inspired How can they be when they are wholly CONTRARY to the Bible? Kevin, Well I hope that your wife is with you 100% on this decision. This is something that can rear it's ugly head down the road and cause problems. This procedure is giving to us by MGR based on scripture, so I can see why you'd be against it. I don't expect to be seeing you at any weddings, funerals, or child dedication prayers - as they have all been given to us by Maxim. Attending or supporting these doings would show your support and validation that the writings of MGR are Godly inspired. LIL (do as I say, not as I do) does not see it this way for some reason, but apparently Steve, Paul, Nick and yourself do. Which would lead any outsider looking at the situation to say you are going with complete faith, doesn't mean I agree, just that you are wholeheartedly making a stand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 I would agree that it's a beautiful passage, but what does it have to do with supporting infant baptism? Revelation 21: 22-27 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates every be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will every enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. Nice flowing words... Who is Jesus? How is Salvation secured? Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God? Are molokans the "new israel"? Kevin, I typed all these verses because I think they are beautiful and splendid! What a awesome way to start our child's life and our new life as parents . . . on our knees. On our knees thanking our God for this creation of His, thanking God for the safe deliveries and our health of our families. We ask our God for guidance to raise our children in the light of Jesus Christ, so we can honor our God. We not only ask for the book of life, but we ask for Книгу Жизну У Агница. The book of life of the Lamb our Lamb Jesus Christ. God gives us so many blessings, now as we start this new life raising families on our knees, bowing before the Lord. I pray that all the young families realize this doing in the doors of our churches;that this is not just protocol, but it's a call to a spiritual life, a road that leads to a lot of refining and that we must turn towards our God for this. And I pray that all of these families, when they walk out of church after extini, that we all remain and our knees and show our wives, husbands, and children what Christ looks like. Like the sower and the seed, that the seeds sent to our families are not thrown on paths, rocks, our thorns, but on fertile soil and that we can yield a hundred times more than was sown. Luke 8 We pray for God's strength and wisdom in his path for us in our children and in humbleness. I don't see how calling a lie for what it is "putting down people" You say "we also have people who are finding their path" Are there multiple "paths" to salvation? Do you really believe molokanism is a "path"? How so? The Church Kevin attends teaches ONLY the Bible, does not believe they are the "new israel" & welcomes ALL people regardless of ethnicity That is what the Bible teaches yet molokanism seems to ignore that reality Kevin, remember you have been through trials, and through God using people to be a Light of Christ to help you, you need to be just as understanding and loving. When you put down the people in our church, you are putting down people who need to see the loving example of the light of Christ. We have wonderful God fearing examples in our Molokan brotherhood, but we also have people who are finding their path. Wouldn't you say that is also true of the other church that your are going too? I don't hear the same judgments coming out of you towards them; just compassion . . . . it's just something to think about. And lastly, is anybody going to provide some scripture in regards to infant baptism/xtini. Kevin Nazaroff Kevin please be Patient with me, this will probably be my first and last posting on this site. But nobody is giving any answers, only debates. Revelation 21: 22-27 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates every be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will every enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. Kevin, I typed all these verses because I think they are beautiful and splendid! What a awesome way to start our child's life and our new life as parents . . . on our knees. On our knees thanking our God for this creation of His, thanking God for the safe deliveries and our health of our families. We ask our God for guidance to raise our children in the light of Jesus Christ, so we can honor our God. We not only ask for the book of life, but we ask for Книгу Жизну У Агница. The book of life of the Lamb our Lamb Jesus Christ. God gives us so many blessings, now as we start this new life raising families on our knees, bowing before the Lord. I pray that all the young families realize this doing in the doors of our churches;that this is not just protocol, but it's a call to a spiritual life, a road that leads to a lot of refining and that we must turn towards our God for this. And I pray that all of these families, when they walk out of church after extini, that we all remain and our knees and show our wives, husbands, and children what Christ looks like. Like the sower and the seed, that the seeds sent to our families are not thrown on paths, rocks, our thorns, but on fertile soil and that we can yield a hundred times more than was sown. Luke 8 We pray for God's strength and wisdom in his path for us in our children and in humbleness. Kevin, remember you have been through trials, and through God using people to be a Light of Christ to help you, you need to be just as understanding and loving. When you put down the people in our church, you are putting down people who need to see the loving example of the light of Christ. We have wonderful God fearing examples in our Molokan brotherhood, but we also have people who are finding their path. Wouldn't you say that is also true of the other church that your are going too? I don't hear the same judgments coming out of you towards them; just compassion . . . . it's just something to think about. Kevin I truly pray for God to bless your family, that you have a wonderful life truly living the compassion that Christ showed for us sinners. Believe me, I need to remember this compassion also. This will probably be my only posting, I probably won't even get on this website anymore. It is a website of confusion and people bashing people. We need to come together in Christ, and pray for each other . . . yes, I need to be reminded of this too, I too fall short of the glory of God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disciple 0 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 By the way, I'd like to know what you really think about your little girl growing up and preferring black men. Shut your hypocritical face Kev. You as well as I know that you wouldn't want her marrying an arap or a spic. Boyyy. Wow! Just a question, would you consider yourself to be a born-again son of the living God? Another question, what would the God of heaven and earth think of you spewing your hellish hate towards his children; no matter what color. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest onceuponastar Report post Posted April 17, 2010 By the way, I'd like to know what you really think about your little girl growing up and preferring black men. Shut your hypocritical face Kev. You as well as I know that you wouldn't want her marrying an arap or a spic. Boyyy. Wow! Just a question, would you consider yourself to be a born-again son of the living God? Another question, what would the God of heaven and earth think of you spewing your hellish hate towards his children; no matter what color. I don't hate araps or sikankis. But I do have an issue with Molokans allowing their kids to marry to them. The bible teaches purity of race you fools. Wake up. You can have purity of race/tribe and still treat those people with respect. Oh...I'm sorry. Have I offended your progressive liberal values? Grow up. I'm realistic. Kev obviously wouldn't want his kids marrying outside of Molokanism. Otherwise he wouldn't have been a hypocrite and posted.... KevNazOff "Another thing, I do not want my kids to think I am pushing them not to marry a russian." Then he comments that he is trying his best to teach his kids not to look at other races differently. SHUT UP NAZACRITE. He's a racist through and through. But don't say that to the whore that he cheated with. Last I heard....she wasn't a whitey. Purity of race naz. You are a racist through and through. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 You say "The bible teaches purity of race you fools" Please cite Bible chapter and verse(s) to support that You keep saying he's the racist yet I haven't heard Kevin use words like "nigger" (arap) or "spic" as you have You "dad" danny boy must be real proud when he too cannot rightly divide the Word of God especially when it comes to racism Peter told them, “You know it is against our laws for a Jewish man to enter a Gentile home like this or to associate with you. But God has shown me that I should no longer think of anyone as impure or unclean. (Acts 10:28) 34 Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. 35 In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right. (Acts 10:34-25) By the way you HAVE NOT cited specific examples of me spreading "heresy" Still waiting and watching you dig your hole deeper By the way, I'd like to know what you really think about your little girl growing up and preferring black men. Shut your hypocritical face Kev. You as well as I know that you wouldn't want her marrying an arap or a spic. Boyyy. Wow! Just a question, would you consider yourself to be a born-again son of the living God? Another question, what would the God of heaven and earth think of you spewing your hellish hate towards his children; no matter what color. I don't hate araps or sikankis. But I do have an issue with Molokans allowing their kids to marry to them. The bible teaches purity of race you fools. Wake up. You can have purity of race/tribe and still treat those people with respect. Oh...I'm sorry. Have I offended your progressive liberal values? Grow up. I'm realistic. Kev obviously wouldn't want his kids marrying outside of Molokanism. Otherwise he wouldn't have been a hypocrite and posted.... KevNazOff "Another thing, I do not want my kids to think I am pushing them not to marry a russian." Then he comments that he is trying his best to teach his kids not to look at other races differently. SHUT UP NAZACRITE. He's a racist through and through. But don't say that to the whore that he cheated with. Last I heard....she wasn't a whitey. Purity of race naz. You are a racist through and through. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Shubin 0 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 (edited) I don't hate araps or sikankis. But I do have an issue with Molokans allowing their kids to marry to them. The bible teaches purity of race you fools. Wake up. You can have purity of race/tribe and still treat those people with respect. Oh...I'm sorry. Have I offended your progressive liberal values? Grow up. I'm realistic. Kev obviously wouldn't want his kids marrying outside of Molokanism. Otherwise he wouldn't have been a hypocrite and posted.... KevNazOff "Another thing, I do not want my kids to think I am pushing them not to marry a russian." Then he comments that he is trying his best to teach his kids not to look at other races differently. SHUT UP NAZACRITE. He's a racist through and through. But don't say that to the whore that he cheated with. Last I heard....she wasn't a whitey. Purity of race naz. You are a racist through and through. I have a question for you. Do you believe that all of the writtings found in the s&l are to be adhered to? Edited April 17, 2010 by Nick Shubin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Scorcho Grande Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Please don't confuse "Once Upon A Star" with facts, the Truth is really stressing him out right now. One other thing I hate to bother you with but you do realize that Russia was an empire? That means that it was a political construct of many different historical peoples and cultures, to say that you are pure Russian doesn't really mean a whole lot. If you notice many Molokans exhibit the smiling eyes of the Mongolian tribes, some are darker some are lighter, influences that have come from all over the old empire. Racial purity is not respected by God, and if you look far enough back it isn't really respected by mankind either, if you could trace your geneology back 500 years don't you think you would find some surprises? I guarantee you, you would. OK, another one other thing why is it that Kevin, a sinner has found the truth, repented, and shows evidence (works) of a transformed life, and yet you are furious and unforgiving to him, and the revered translator of the S&L, a sinner (busted twice for prostitution), no evidence of repenting, doesn't trouble you in the least. Could it be that the only sin you care about is the sin of not toeing the Molokan line irregardless whether it is right or wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 By the way, I'd like to know what you really think about your little girl growing up and preferring black men. Shut your hypocritical face Kev. You as well as I know that you wouldn't want her marrying an arap or a spic. Boyyy. Wow! Just a question, would you consider yourself to be a born-again son of the living God? Another question, what would the God of heaven and earth think of you spewing your hellish hate towards his children; no matter what color. I don't hate araps or sikankis. But I do have an issue with Molokans allowing their kids to marry to them. The bible teaches purity of race you fools. Wake up. You can have purity of race/tribe and still treat those people with respect. Oh...I'm sorry. Have I offended your progressive liberal values? Grow up. I'm realistic. Kev obviously wouldn't want his kids marrying outside of Molokanism. Otherwise he wouldn't have been a hypocrite and posted.... KevNazOff "Another thing, I do not want my kids to think I am pushing them not to marry a russian." Then he comments that he is trying his best to teach his kids not to look at other races differently. SHUT UP NAZACRITE. He's a racist through and through. But don't say that to the whore that he cheated with. Last I heard....she wasn't a whitey. Purity of race naz. You are a racist through and through. And your new screen-name is Cush.... PSALM 7 The LORD Implored to Defend the Psalmist against the Wicked. A Shiggaion of David, which he sang to the LORD concerning Cush, a Benjamite. 1 O LORD my God, in You I have taken refuge; Save me from all those who pursue me, and deliver me, 2 Or he will tear my soul like a lion, Dragging me away, while there is none to deliver. 3 O LORD my God, if I have done this, If there is injustice in my hands, 4 If I have rewarded evil to my friend, Or have plundered him who without cause was my adversary, 5 Let the enemy pursue my soul and overtake it; And let him trample my life down to the ground And lay my glory in the dust. Selah. 6 Arise, O LORD, in Your anger; Lift up Yourself against the rage of my adversaries, And arouse Yourself for me; You have appointed judgment. 7 Let the assembly of the peoples encompass You, And over them return on high. 8 The LORD judges the peoples; Vindicate me, O LORD, according to my righteousness and my integrity that is in me. 9 O let the evil of the wicked come to an end, but establish the righteous; For the righteous God tries the hearts and minds. 10 My shield is with God, Who saves the upright in heart. 11 God is a righteous judge, And a God who has indignation every day. 12 If a man does not repent, He will sharpen His sword; He has bent His bow and made it ready. 13 He has also prepared for Himself deadly weapons; He makes His arrows fiery shafts. 14 Behold, he travails with wickedness, And he conceives mischief and brings forth falsehood. 15 He has dug a pit and hollowed it out, And has fallen into the hole which he made. 16 His mischief will return upon his own head, And his violence will descend upon his own pate. 17 I will give thanks to the LORD according to His righteousness And will sing praise to the name of the LORD Most High. Ps 7:1-17 NASB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest agua Report post Posted April 18, 2010 By the way, I'd like to know what you really think about your little girl growing up and preferring black men. Shut your hypocritical face Kev. You as well as I know that you wouldn't want her marrying an arap or a spic. Boyyy. Wow! Just a question, would you consider yourself to be a born-again son of the living God? Another question, what would the God of heaven and earth think of you spewing your hellish hate towards his children; no matter what color. Just to make it clear I did not pose this question, somehow Disciple quoted me as asking. Now that you're here Disciple, what your view on the matter? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest agua Report post Posted April 18, 2010 by the way, what is mip and who is the author? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 That quote was not from agua but from the proud little chest thumper (Guest_allthatnaz_) and all of their other thumpity screen names Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 18, 2010 Kevin is not putting down the people in our church, he is questioning regular practices and policies that do not align with the Bible, which frankly, is making people uncomfortable. These miserable people who can be likened to modern day pharisees need to throw rocks to make themselves feel better and do it in hopes this will shut him up along the others who are rocking their leaky little boats. They see and hear that he is taking a stand for what is right and that he has the spiritual peace and freedom to do this throught the Lord Jesus Christ. These modern day pharisees don't know the Gospel and probably don't have much of a clue as to what is actually in the Bible or the duh i zhizn and are hell bent to stop others from taking notice. Kevin has admitted to sin, admitted that he is a sinner, and repented. These modern day pharisees must be perfect and without blemish, because they haven't mentioned any wrong doing on their own parts between picking up the stones and hurling them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coffee 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 . by the way, what is mip and who is the author? MIP is the acronym for Molokan Information Project. Michael T i c k e n o f f , from Silverton, Oregon, who is sometimes referred to as "Blind Mike", began writing these "installments" maybe a couple of years ago, in which he repeats the various stereotypical Rudometkinite mantras which can be heard today from the current elders and political leadership in any of the Jumper "Molokan" churches. When he was young and impressionable, Mike was a diligent student of the classes that were taught by my Uncle Paul Efseaff, who, as an elder in Blue Top Church many years ago, taught Rudometkinite theology to young Jumper "Molokans". Later in life, my Uncle Paul eventually came to receive the true Jesus Christ of the Holy Scriptures, and when he repented of the spiritual evil that was written by Rudometkin and Klubnikin in the Spirit and Life book, one of the things that he was remorseful of and often lamented over, was the fact that he was responsible for planting the seeds of heresy in Mike and other young men, who today choose to ignore Uncle Paul's testimony and message of repentance in his Labor of Love booklet, and continue to regurgitate the arrogance of "spiritual elitism" that accompanies the many false doctrines and strange teachings of Rudometkin and his Khlysty forefathers. As of last count, there have been 78 downloads of the PDF version on the Labor of Love thread, which is an indication that in contrast to that which Mike writes in his Molokan Information Project "installments", today's "Molokans" are continuing to learn the truth about Rudometkin's heresies in the Spirit and Life book. Since the Labor of Love booklet has been translated into the Russian language and distributed among the current population of "Molokans" in Russia, an offer has been made by the Rudometkinites over there to purchase all of the remaining booklets available, in an effort to take the booklets out of circulation, in order to hide the truth about Rudometkin and the Spirit and Life book from being exposed any further. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest eyes&ears.wide.open Report post Posted April 19, 2010 'guest' date='Apr 17 2010, 10:04 PM' post='55891' Kevin is not putting down the people in our church, he is questioning regular practices and policies that do not align with the Bible, which frankly, is making people uncomfortable. These miserable people who can be likened to modern day pharisees need to throw rocks to make themselves feel better and do it in hopes this will shut him up along the others who are rocking their leaky little boats. Our, beloved bisednik, F.W.B. gave us this antidote during he inspirational sermon today that kinda runs along the same lines of a very uncomfortable, fellow Molokan. He told us about a spiritual discussion that he had with long-time friend since childhood. F.W.B said that simply by asking his friend "if someone came to you asked how to achieve heaven, what would be your answer?" He told us how the friend became so angry and called him a lier and many other awful words and has never acknowledged him since that encounter. In true Christian love, he said that he still considered him a friend but the friend since childhood no longer considers him a friend. This is the type of reaction that comes from living in a boat full holes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest youreclown Report post Posted April 19, 2010 'guest' date='Apr 17 2010, 10:04 PM' post='55891' Kevin is not putting down the people in our church, he is questioning regular practices and policies that do not align with the Bible, which frankly, is making people uncomfortable. These miserable people who can be likened to modern day pharisees need to throw rocks to make themselves feel better and do it in hopes this will shut him up along the others who are rocking their leaky little boats. Our, beloved bisednik, F.W.B. gave us this antidote during he inspirational sermon today that kinda runs along the same lines of a very uncomfortable, fellow Molokan. He told us about a spiritual discussion that he had with long-time friend since childhood. F.W.B said that simply by asking his friend "if someone came to you asked how to achieve heaven, what would be your answer?" He told us how the friend became so angry and called him a lier and many other awful words and has never acknowledged him since that encounter. In true Christian love, he said that he still considered him a friend but the friend since childhood no longer considers him a friend. This is the type of reaction that comes from living in a boat full holes. No...it simply means that either your "fwb" did not tell the whole story when he related the anecdote, or the friend simply felt put on the spot with that line of questioning. That doesn't mean all of the Molokans are the same way. One person doesn't sink the whole Molokan faith. Don't exagerate like your lil buddy seeking...or are you two one and the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted April 19, 2010 You made the assertion I'm spreading "heresy" Please cite specific instances and the Biblical backup to support your opinion We're waiting No...it simply means that either your "fwb" did not tell the whole story when he related the anecdote, or the friend simply felt put on the spot with that line of questioning. That doesn't mean all of the Molokans are the same way. One person doesn't sink the whole Molokan faith. Don't exagerate like your lil buddy seeking...or are you two one and the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lastinline 0 Report post Posted April 19, 2010 'allthatnaz' date='Apr 17 2010, 03:26 AM' post='55785' Shut your hypocritical face Kev. You as well as I know that you wouldn't want her marrying an arap or a spic. Boyyy. Just, rereading this statement from the mind of someone who is obviously influenced by heretical belief system that is "new israel." I am reminded of something that happened during my metamorphosis, while coming to my senses and the having the scales falling from my eyes and my heart. I was suddenly realizing how far I had come in this change when I was prompted to call a radio talk show when a wonderful black women was a guest and sharing parts of her life story and going into the political issues. Her name is Starr Parker and I had watched her previously on TV addressing a women's Christian group with her compelling miraculous conversion to Jesus Christ. I told her, that she should consider becoming a running-mate with Alan Keyes (a proud conservative black-man) who at that time was running or had run for President and I would gladly vote for them. I informed her that because of my love for Christ, that her Christian conservatism, made me realize that my continued dislike of other Blacks (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton) was not racism, but only a dislike for their adherence to raciest politics/theology. Now I can gladly say, when a openly hateful person such as this nar-do-wel makes this statement, it makes me cring at this kind of hatred for people who are created in the image God, just like the rest of us. lastinline (& liking what i see in the mirror, for the most part) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Shubin 0 Report post Posted April 19, 2010 No...it simply means that either your "fwb" did not tell the whole story when he related the anecdote, or the friend simply felt put on the spot with that line of questioning. That doesn't mean all of the Molokans are the same way. One person doesn't sink the whole Molokan faith. Don't exagerate like your lil buddy seeking...or are you two one and the same. So, whatever your screenname will be next time you post. How does one that is outside of the religion of molokanism attain salvation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest youreaclown Report post Posted April 19, 2010 No...it simply means that either your "fwb" did not tell the whole story when he related the anecdote, or the friend simply felt put on the spot with that line of questioning. That doesn't mean all of the Molokans are the same way. One person doesn't sink the whole Molokan faith. Don't exagerate like your lil buddy seeking...or are you two one and the same. So, whatever your screenname will be next time you post. How does one that is outside of the religion of molokanism attain salvation? You mean you don't know? Why, by repenting of one's sins in the name of Jesus...and actually meaning it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 19, 2010 I will ask again for some insight from the bible in regards to xtini. I myself can no longer call this molokan ceremony xtini. It is actually infant baptism. Xtini (infant baptism) was handed to us by the Catholic Church. If the molokans want to continue to baptize their infants, they should probably start using water, because that is how the Catholics do it. See for yourself... Catholic Church Website defending infant baptism Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Shubin 0 Report post Posted April 19, 2010 No...it simply means that either your "fwb" did not tell the whole story when he related the anecdote, or the friend simply felt put on the spot with that line of questioning. That doesn't mean all of the Molokans are the same way. One person doesn't sink the whole Molokan faith. Don't exagerate like your lil buddy seeking...or are you two one and the same. So, whatever your screenname will be next time you post. How does one that is outside of the religion of molokanism attain salvation? You mean you don't know? Why, by repenting of one's sins in the name of Jesus...and actually meaning it. Then what's the difference between those outside vs those inside? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Scorcho Grande Report post Posted April 19, 2010 There shouldn't be any difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Shubin 0 Report post Posted April 19, 2010 There shouldn't be any difference. Exactly! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinPolyaNazaroff 0 Report post Posted April 20, 2010 The following quote is copied and pasted directly from www.catholic.com Fundamentalists often criticize the Catholic Church’s practice of baptizing infants. According to them, baptism is for adults and older children, because it is to be administered only after one has undergone a "born again" experience—that is, after one has "accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior." At the instant of acceptance, when he is "born again," the adult becomes a Christian, and his salvation is assured forever. Baptism follows, though it has no actual salvific value. In fact, one who dies before being baptized, but after "being saved," goes to heaven anyway. As Fundamentalists see it, baptism is not a sacrament (in the true sense of the word), but an ordinance. It does not in any way convey the grace it symbolizes; rather, it is merely a public manifestation of the person’s conversion. Since only an adult or older child can be converted, baptism is inappropriate for infants or for children who have not yet reached the age of reason (generally considered to be age seven). Most Fundamentalists say that during the years before they reach the age of reason infants and young children are automatically saved. Only once a person reaches the age of reason does he need to "accept Jesus" in order to reach heaven. Since the New Testament era, the Catholic Church has always understood baptism differently, teaching that it is a sacrament which accomplishes several things, the first of which is the remission of sin, both original sin and actual sin—only original sin in the case of infants and young children, since they are incapable of actual sin; and both original and actual sin in the case of older persons. I have been wrong before, and I hope I am wrong about this one. If I am, than again, I will correct and repent publicly. So again, here is my question... Why are the "true believers" observing what appears to be a Catholic ceremony? Kevin Nazaroff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
