Speaking With Seeking

[lastinline 0]

No...it simply means that either your "fwb" did not tell the whole story when he related the anecdote, or the friend simply felt put on the spot with that line of questioning. That doesn't mean all of the Molokans are the same way. One person doesn't sink the whole Molokan faith. Don't exagerate like your lil buddy seeking...or are you two one and the same.

 

Can you please leave your name and phone number and I'll call him with that info or maybe you'd like to call him yourself. He loves to talk to nar-do-wells, such as yourself. Oh, by they way, one person (mgr) does sink the faith of "new israelite" Molokans, all the way to hell, unless, of course, repudiated before his/her last breath.

 

lastinline (& a devotee to the one and only Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth)

[Guest youreaclown]

No...it simply means that either your "fwb" did not tell the whole story when he related the anecdote, or the friend simply felt put on the spot with that line of questioning. That doesn't mean all of the Molokans are the same way. One person doesn't sink the whole Molokan faith. Don't exagerate like your lil buddy seeking...or are you two one and the same.

 

Can you please leave your name and phone number and I'll call him with that info or maybe you'd like to call him yourself. He loves to talk to nar-do-wells, such as yourself. Oh, by they way, one person (mgr) does sink the faith of "new israelite" Molokans, all the way to hell, unless, of course, repudiated before his/her last breath.

 

lastinline (& a devotee to the one and only Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth)

 

Ehhhh...simply more false doctrine from a closet follower of MGR over in Nazaroff Church. Grow up.

 

Oh, please do post seeking's number. I'd love to call him.

[LTTBT 0]

No...it simply means that either your "fwb" did not tell the whole story when he related the anecdote, or the friend simply felt put on the spot with that line of questioning. That doesn't mean all of the Molokans are the same way. One person doesn't sink the whole Molokan faith. Don't exagerate like your lil buddy seeking...or are you two one and the same.

 

Can you please leave your name and phone number and I'll call him with that info or maybe you'd like to call him yourself. He loves to talk to nar-do-wells, such as yourself. Oh, by they way, one person (mgr) does sink the faith of "new israelite" Molokans, all the way to hell, unless, of course, repudiated before his/her last breath.

 

lastinline (& a devotee to the one and only Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth)

 

Ehhhh...simply more false doctrine from a closet follower of MGR over in Nazaroff Church. Grow up.

 

Oh, please do post seeking's number. I'd love to call him.

 

You can't handle a discussion on this website, how do you think you would handle a conversation with Seeking?

Probably call and hang up when he answered the phone.

If you can't defend what you believe, then you don't believe anything.

Even if I am wrong, I would take a stand. I have to agree with Seeking in the fact that you haven't given one Scripture in context that

confirms what you believe.

Edited April 19, 2010 by LTTBT

[LTTBT 0]

All I am saying, is don't bet you eternity on someone elses word or opinion.

Do the serch for yourself and I hope you find what you need.

 

This goes for everyone.

[Guest youreaclown]

No...it simply means that either your "fwb" did not tell the whole story when he related the anecdote, or the friend simply felt put on the spot with that line of questioning. That doesn't mean all of the Molokans are the same way. One person doesn't sink the whole Molokan faith. Don't exagerate like your lil buddy seeking...or are you two one and the same.

 

Can you please leave your name and phone number and I'll call him with that info or maybe you'd like to call him yourself. He loves to talk to nar-do-wells, such as yourself. Oh, by they way, one person (mgr) does sink the faith of "new israelite" Molokans, all the way to hell, unless, of course, repudiated before his/her last breath.

 

lastinline (& a devotee to the one and only Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth)

 

Ehhhh...simply more false doctrine from a closet follower of MGR over in Nazaroff Church. Grow up.

 

Oh, please do post seeking's number. I'd love to call him.

 

You can't handle a discussion on this website, how do you think you would handle a conversation with Seeking?

Probably call and hang up when he answered the phone.

If you can't defend what you believe, then you don't believe anything.

Even if I am wrong, I would take a stand. I have to agree with Seeking in the fact that you haven't given one Scripture in context that

confirms what you believe.

 

 

I wouldn't hang up, but then again, you lied about giving his number. So what's the point? Your arguments are useless, just like his.

 

Oh, scripture has been posted for his perusal, but he simply reverts to his own out context rigamarole. Same ol bs. Seeking's behavior and responses are very typical of someone who was abused as a child. He simply does not know how to react in social situations.

 

Oh well...another lost soul.

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

I've had conversations with LTTBT & they seemed to go fine except for the occasional disagreement

 

You, my little thumper, can't defend your faith with Scripture but you sure can tell everyone how it all works based upon your BASELESS opinions

 

That means NOTHING to anyone and certainly has no eternal value

 

You have asserted I am spreading heresy

 

Please cite specific instances and also provide Biblical basis for your allegations

 

We're still waiting

 

All I am saying, is don't bet you eternity on someone elses word or opinion.

Do the serch for yourself and I hope you find what you need.

 

This goes for everyone.

[Nick Shubin 0]

No...it simply means that either your "fwb" did not tell the whole story when he related the anecdote, or the friend simply felt put on the spot with that line of questioning. That doesn't mean all of the Molokans are the same way. One person doesn't sink the whole Molokan faith. Don't exagerate like your lil buddy seeking...or are you two one and the same.

 

Can you please leave your name and phone number and I'll call him with that info or maybe you'd like to call him yourself. He loves to talk to nar-do-wells, such as yourself. Oh, by they way, one person (mgr) does sink the faith of "new israelite" Molokans, all the way to hell, unless, of course, repudiated before his/her last breath.

 

lastinline (& a devotee to the one and only Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth)

 

Ehhhh...simply more false doctrine from a closet follower of MGR over in Nazaroff Church. Grow up.

 

Oh, please do post seeking's number. I'd love to call him.

 

You can't handle a discussion on this website, how do you think you would handle a conversation with Seeking?

Probably call and hang up when he answered the phone.

If you can't defend what you believe, then you don't believe anything.

Even if I am wrong, I would take a stand. I have to agree with Seeking in the fact that you haven't given one Scripture in context that

confirms what you believe.

 

 

I wouldn't hang up, but then again, you lied about giving his number. So what's the point? Your arguments are useless, just like his.

 

Oh, scripture has been posted for his perusal, but he simply reverts to his own out context rigamarole. Same ol bs. Seeking's behavior and responses are very typical of someone who was abused as a child. He simply does not know how to react in social situations.

 

Oh well...another lost soul.

 

I bet you are loads of fun at parties...

 

Do you adhere to all of the writtings found in the s&l?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Here's you chance not to hang up

805-295-4170

[Nick Shubin 0]

My number is 867-5309

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Is this jenny?

 

BTW, someone just called with a number ending in 97 and hung up

 

hmmmm...

[Nick Shubin 0]

Is this jenny?

Busted...

[seeking_truth_1 0]

LOL

It's a real number

[Nick Shubin 0]

That was me, i was curious where that number would ring. Being an 805 number, i was expecting something like Bakerfield feed and farm supply.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

This is Hanks Feed and Tack...Hank speaking

[lastinline 0]

'youreaclown' date='Apr 19 2010, 12:57 PM' post='56048'

He simply does not know how to react in social situations.

 

Oh well...another lost soul.

 

I definitely would agree, that the blow-up doll you (your clown) purchased from that weirdo store, is no substitute for a social situation, on your part. Also, I need remind that the blow-up doll, does not have a soul to lose.

 

lastinline (whee, what a social situation)

[LTTBT 0]

I wouldn't hang up, but then again, you lied about giving his number. So what's the point? Your arguments are useless, just like his.

 

Oh, scripture has been posted for his perusal, but he simply reverts to his own out context rigamarole. Same ol bs. Seeking's behavior and responses are very typical of someone who was abused as a child. He simply does not know how to react in social situations.

 

Oh well...another lost soul.

 

I lied to you about giving you who's number? I have no arguments with you.

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

This is laughable

 

Your mis-handling of Scripture in the account of Matthew 18 reminds me of our alleged bible student who messed up but was too proud to admit they were wrong

 

You also accused me of spreading "heresy"

 

Please cite specific instances where I did and back it up with Biblical support for your opinion

 

 

I wouldn't hang up, but then again, you lied about giving his number. So what's the point? Your arguments are useless, just like his.

 

Oh, scripture has been posted for his perusal, but he simply reverts to his own out context rigamarole. Same ol bs. Seeking's behavior and responses are very typical of someone who was abused as a child. He simply does not know how to react in social situations.

 

Oh well...another lost soul.

[Guest Guest]

This is laughable

 

Your mis-handling of Scripture in the account of Matthew 18 reminds me of our alleged bible student who messed up but was too proud to admit they were wrong

 

You also accused me of spreading "heresy"

 

Please cite specific instances where I did and back it up with Biblical support for your opinion

 

 

I wouldn't hang up, but then again, you lied about giving his number. So what's the point? Your arguments are useless, just like his.

 

Oh, scripture has been posted for his perusal, but he simply reverts to his own out context rigamarole. Same ol bs. Seeking's behavior and responses are very typical of someone who was abused as a child. He simply does not know how to react in social situations.

 

Oh well...another lost soul.

 

 

I haven't mishandled Matthew 18. What part of "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst," don't you understand? It doesn't matter which context you derive it. The fact is, it states that God is always in our midst. You can't handle it. So, you nitpick. You are no better than a fly on a wound...constantly biting and nipping at every available weak spot, until you finally cause an infection. Only with you, the infection is disbelief in God.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

15 ¶ "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.

16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'

17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

18 "Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

19 "Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.

20 "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:15-20 NKJV)

 

Here's the entire passage in context

 

You obviously do not understand what context means either

 

The simple answer is the meaning of a passage is supported by surrounding text

 

From Websters: the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs

 

If you remove items from their context you can easily draw wrong conclusions and make the Bible say ANYTHING

 

Por Ejempolo:

 

You have heard people say "Money is the root of all evil"

 

That would indicate a Christian should divest themselves of all money and perhaps take a vow of poverty seeing as they would not want to be weighed down with the makings of evil

 

Even if you were to look at just the verse (IN IT'S CONTEXT) it would clarify a bit and radically change the meaning by adding back a few words

For the love of money is at the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows.

 

The money is not the problem, it's the LOVE of it

 

However, from the context of the entire passage, the subject really isn't about money or the love of it

 

It's about Godliness, eternal life and avoiding distractions that could cause people to stray

 

6 ¶ Now godliness with contentment is great gain.

7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content.

9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition.

10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness.

12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. (1 Timothy 6:6-12)

 

It's ALL about the context

 

Again your wrong dismissal of context is...well...wrong

 

Now back to your mis-handling of Scripture

 

What is the subject?

 

WHY are they gathering together?

 

The answer is verse 16

 

Read it again

 

It says if "he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established"

 

Why is there now 2 or 3 gathered?

 

What are they doing?

 

Are they witnesses?

 

"by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established"

 

Yup, it's right there

 

Witnesses to what?

 

The answer is right there again

 

"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault" BUT "if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'"

 

Are they having "true church" or are they dealing with a wayward Brother

 

Did they state in the passage "If your brother does not want "true church" confront him?"

 

The simple answer is NO

 

Are they overtly speaking about about someone in sin and how to deal with them?

 

What premise is established and then repeated in the passage?

 

Your wrong application is to establish the concept of a "true church"

 

What is the "true church"?

 

What are it's tenets

 

Where in the passage does it establish a minimum number of persons necessary for the "true church"?

 

Where does it mention in this passage the "true church"?

 

This passage was written to Christians so how could they be the "false" Church

 

It states in verse 15

 

"if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother"

 

Not your fellow member of the "false church" or "non-true church"

 

It's quite obvious you are drawing notions and ideas from this passage that simply ARE NOT there

 

This is not nit-picking at all

 

It's RIGHTLY diving the Word of God so as not to draw WRONG conclusions and thereby allowing false teachings such as what is present in the cult of molokanism

 

If you CANNOT get this basic Biblical concept how can you possibly understand anything else let along tell people you are right when CLEARLY you don't know what you are talking about

 

 

By the way you stated I was spreading "heresy"

 

Please cite SPECIFIC instances where I did so and provide Biblical basis for your assertions

 

We're still waiting

[Guest evilbegetsevil]

15 ¶ "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.

16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'

17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

18 "Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

19 "Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.

20 "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:15-20 NKJV)

 

Here's the entire passage in context

 

You obviously do not understand what context means either

 

The simple answer is the meaning of a passage is supported by surrounding text

 

From Websters: the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs

 

If you remove items from their context you can easily draw wrong conclusions and make the Bible say ANYTHING

 

Por Ejempolo:

 

You have heard people say "Money is the root of all evil"

 

That would indicate a Christian should divest themselves of all money and perhaps take a vow of poverty seeing as they would not want to be weighed down with the makings of evil

 

Even if you were to look at just the verse (IN IT'S CONTEXT) it would clarify a bit and radically change the meaning by adding back a few words

For the love of money is at the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows.

 

The money is not the problem, it the LOVE of it

 

However, from the context of the entire passage, the subject really isn't about money or the love of it

 

It's about Godliness, eternal life and avoiding distractions that could cause people to stray

 

6 ¶ Now godliness with contentment is great gain.

7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content.

9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition.

10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness.

12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. (1 Timothy 6:6-12)

 

It's ALL about the context

 

Again your wrong dismissal of context is...well...wrong

 

Now back to your mis-handling of Scripture

 

What is the subject?

 

WHY are they gathering together?

 

The answer is verse 16

 

Read it again

 

It says if "he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established"

 

Why is there now 2 or 3 gathered?

 

What are they doing?

 

Are they witnesses?

 

"by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established"

 

Yup, it's right there

 

Witnesses to what?

 

The answer is right there again

 

"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault" BUT "if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'"

 

Are they having "true church" or are they dealing with a wayward Brother

 

Did they state in the passage "If your brother does not want "true church" confront him?"

 

The simple answer is NO

 

Are they overtly speaking about about someone in sin and how to deal with them?

 

What premise is established and then repeated in the passage?

 

Your wrong application is to establish the concept of a "true church"

 

What is the "true church"?

 

What are it's tenets

 

Where in the passage does it establish a minimum number of persons necessary for the "true church"?

 

Where does it mention in this passage the "true church"?

 

This passage was written to Christians so how could they be the "false" Church

 

It states in verse 15

 

"if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother"

 

Not your fellow member of the "false church" or "non-true church"

 

It's quite obvious you are drawing notions and ideas from this passage that simply ARE NOT there

 

This is not nit-picking at all

 

It's RIGHTLY diving the Word of God so as not to draw WRONG conclusions and thereby allowing false teachings such as what is present in the cult of molokanism

 

If you CANNOT get this basic Biblical concept how can you possibly understand anything else let along tell people you are right when CLEARLY you don't know what you are talking about

 

 

By the way you stated I was spreading "heresy"

 

Please cite SPECIFIC instances where I did so and provide Biblical basis for your assertions

 

We're still waiting

 

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Uhhhhhh...Where in the passage does it establish a minimum number of persons necessary for the "true church"?

 

Where does it mention in this passage the "true church"?

 

This passage was written to Christians so how could they be the "false" Church

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What are you talking about? I never said these passages were about a true church...only that you can have just a few like minded individuals and have the workings of a church. It's what's inside of the people...how they believe and how they are in unity of spirit and truth while worshiping God.

 

What is wrong with you you psycho? You sure do read into things a lot and make mountains out of molehills.

 

Grow up.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Again, we'll start from the top

 

You don't know your Bible yet are willing to pontificate on how much you "know"

 

You cannot explain your faith, especially in the light of Scripture, yet are willing to dogmatically take a stance steeped purely in opinion

 

If you CANNOT get the "small stuff" how can you speak about who Jesus Is or about His Word?

 

Again the passage has NOTHING to do with "true church" or anything of the sort

 

You say "I never said these passages were about a true church"

 

Now you are lying

 

Then here you say

 

Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

 

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

 

Please...

 

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it.

 

What's the "true church right there?"

 

How long do you expect to keep this charade up?

 

You would earn those long desired "respect points" if you would get honest, otherwise you're coming off like our other "bible student"

[seeking_truth_1 0]

You had posted regarding my alleged spreading of "heresy" but you neglected to address this thread

 

You said:

 

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

 

Then you said:

 

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

 

Seems to me not only are you lying but you're directly contradicting yourself

 

What is this "true church right there"?

 

 

[Guest truechurch]

You had posted regarding my alleged spreading of "heresy" but you neglected to address this thread

 

You said:

 

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

 

Then you said:

 

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

 

Seems to me not only are you lying but you're directly contradicting yourself

 

What is this "true church right there"?

 

 

Funny thing is, the security phrase today was "but obvious." ; )

 

The true church is comprised of those gathered in His name.

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

So what does that have to do with Matthew 18?

[lastinline 0]

'truechurch' date='Apr 20 2010, 11:25 AM' post='56195'

 

Funny thing is, the security phrase today was "but obvious." ; )

 

The true church is comprised of those gathered in His name.

 

You said, "unity of spirit and truth while worshiping God," so what spirit and truth? Do "new israelites" qualify?

 

Great observation, in that, evil begats evil and a good example of that is; maximisti begat maximisti.

 

So is this a joke or is it only obvious to your butt? Who seems to be showing themselves to be the psycho now?

 

lastinline (baabaabaabaabutt not worried)

[lastinline 0]

Anxious to get serious, as is I'm sure seeking is, if you could convince us your open to believing that the Holy Scriptures are the answer to the world's ills. There are also many others anxious to help all those stuck in the miry clay.

 

So, until then, let's boogie.

 

lastinline (& sometimes on the wild side)

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Still waiting on this one too

 

To recap:

 

You said:

 

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

 

Then you said:

 

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

 

 

There's an OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION in your statements

 

Which is it?

 

You had posted regarding my alleged spreading of "heresy" but you neglected to address this thread

 

You said:

 

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

 

Then you said:

 

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

 

Seems to me not only are you lying but you're directly contradicting yourself

 

What is this "true church right there"?

[lastinline 0]

Lets hope he's just a little camera shy or simply feels your such a meany.

 

Seeking says that truechurch, said this:

 

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

 

Could he/she be a member of "new israelite" congregation Blue(hole in the roof)Top, where for the most part, that is all (2or3) that attends on Resurrection mornings when no borsh is served?

 

lastinline (where i know seeking is a sweet little koska)

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Still waiting lo all these months for an explanation about what this "true church" is

 

You had posted regarding my alleged spreading of "heresy" but you neglected to address this thread

 

You said:

 

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

 

Then you said:

 

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

 

Seems to me not only are you lying but you're directly contradicting yourself

 

What is this "true church right there"?