New Israel - Where Is That Taught In The Bible?

May 3, 2010

So God has special rules for certain people and only when under certain circumstances? Then you obviously believe, God IS NOT the same yesterday, today and forever, and that He IS a respecter of men?

So are you saying God does not and did not have special rules for certain people (Israelites)?

Have you read the WHOLE book of Hebrews yet?

If you want to call molokanism a cult, I agree.

If you want to call me a hypocrite, fine, I am willing to conform to God's ways, not mans.

But to suggest that LIL (or anybody) has lost their salvation because they did in the past, or currently do in the present, attend a molokan "church", is complete nonsense.

If you want to question someones attendance to a cult, lets discuss.

But I can not base someones salvation on church attendance.

You don't need to take God's word out of context in order to make your points.

So....

Who is the author of Hebrews referring to when he wrote this...

And how does it apply to us today...

Please list specifically -

who "has trampled under foot the Son of God"

who "regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant"

who insulted the Spirit of grace?

Your lake ave. church has taught you to deny scripture for the sake of your traditions. Does your New Christian church in Fresno know you are a paying member of a religious cult? Have you told them the beliefs you are a part of, and that it's only MGR that you can worship? Did you show them the Spirit and Life book?

I personally know of no others who have trampled Jesus Christ more, denied His covenant of Grace more and insulted the Holy Spirit more than your church, by honoring MGR as the guarantor of your/their souls he is your/their ONLY anointed savior you have, according to scripture I don't think it's going to work out well for you. However if you are too proud to die anything but a molokan then that is your choice. I can see denial of self is simply out of the question for you.

No I have not taken the spirit and life book to CC Fresno.

I do not feel that it is necessary.

Would you be willing to go with me and do this, if it really is necessary.

You seem to have all the answers, but are you willing to put some action behind your words.

I think I have offered to you before, and the offer still stands.

Wednesday night, 7pm...CC Fresno. My cell is 559-270-5437.

Kevin Nazaroff

Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation.

New Israel isn't just Jews who've come to accept Christ.

seeking_truth_1 · May 3, 2010

Please show me ANYWHERE in the Bible where it speaks about a "new Israel" and how the cult of molokanism has become that

Where in the Bible is replacement theology taught?

Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation.

New Israel isn't just Jews who've come to accept Christ.

lastinline · May 3, 2010

"new israelites" will be found in Revelation 20: 11- 15, this is where they will be judged according to their works for refusing to accepty full pardon of cleansing power of the Blood of the Lamb and then cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

lastinline (where the second death hath no power Rev 20:6, Hallelujah)

KevinPolyaNazaroff · May 4, 2010

So God has special rules for certain people and only when under certain circumstances? Then you obviously believe, God IS NOT the same yesterday, today and forever, and that He IS a respecter of men?

So are you saying God does not and did not have special rules for certain people (Israelites)?

Have you read the WHOLE book of Hebrews yet?

If you want to call molokanism a cult, I agree.

If you want to call me a hypocrite, fine, I am willing to conform to God's ways, not mans.

But to suggest that LIL (or anybody) has lost their salvation because they did in the past, or currently do in the present, attend a molokan "church", is complete nonsense.

If you want to question someones attendance to a cult, lets discuss.

But I can not base someones salvation on church attendance.

You don't need to take God's word out of context in order to make your points.

So....

Who is the author of Hebrews referring to when he wrote this...

And how does it apply to us today...

Please list specifically -

who "has trampled under foot the Son of God"

who "regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant"

who insulted the Spirit of grace?

Your lake ave. church has taught you to deny scripture for the sake of your traditions. Does your New Christian church in Fresno know you are a paying member of a religious cult? Have you told them the beliefs you are a part of, and that it's only MGR that you can worship? Did you show them the Spirit and Life book?

I personally know of no others who have trampled Jesus Christ more, denied His covenant of Grace more and insulted the Holy Spirit more than your church, by honoring MGR as the guarantor of your/their souls he is your/their ONLY anointed savior you have, according to scripture I don't think it's going to work out well for you. However if you are too proud to die anything but a molokan then that is your choice. I can see denial of self is simply out of the question for you.

No I have not taken the spirit and life book to CC Fresno.

I do not feel that it is necessary.

Would you be willing to go with me and do this, if it really is necessary.

You seem to have all the answers, but are you willing to put some action behind your words.

I think I have offered to you before, and the offer still stands.

Wednesday night, 7pm...CC Fresno. My cell is 559-270-5437.

Kevin Nazaroff

Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation.

New Israel isn't just Jews who've come to accept Christ.

I was not referring to "new Israel" in my post.

I have no desire to learn about "new Israel".

Kevin Nazaroff

lastinline · May 4, 2010

'KevinPolyaNazaroff' date='May 3 2010, 05:01 PM' post='57559'
I have no desire to learn about "new Israel".

Kevin Nazaroff

That is a great desire.

lastinline (been there & done that)

seeking_truth_1 · May 4, 2010

Still waiting for an answer

You say "This New Israel is talked about in the bible"

Where is this "new Israel" idea found in the Bible?

Please cite SPECIFIC instances Chapter and Verse

Please show me ANYWHERE in the Bible where it speaks about a "new Israel" and how the cult of molokanism has become that

Where in the Bible is replacement theology taught?

Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation.

New Israel isn't just Jews who've come to accept Christ.

seeking_truth_1 · May 4, 2010

Still waiting for an answer here too...

What does Matthew 18 have to do with a minimum number for the "true church"?

What is the ""true church"?

Also, seeing as you could prove me "wrong all day long", how about just for a few moments?

You stated I was spreading "heresy"

Please cite SPECIFIC instances where I did so and provide Biblical basis for your assertions

lastinline · May 5, 2010

Lets hope he's just a little camera shy or simply feels your such a meany.

lastinline (where i know seeking is a sweet little koska)

lastinline · May 5, 2010

'genesistorevelation' date='May 3 2010, 11:00 AM' post='57510'
Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

By the handle of genesis to revelation, I would think that this person is aware, that the restoration of a brother should be one of the uppermost desires of a believer in the Holy Scriptures. Would you not? So, just who is fooling who here? By seemingly having no desire to help those of us this person claims, have defiled our marital beds. The silence tells us what? Exactly?

Galatians 6: 1 Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself. 2 Share each other’s burdens, and in this way obey the law of Christ. 3 If you think you are too important to help someone, you are only fooling yourself. You are not that important. NLT

Галатам 6: 1 Братия! если и впадет человек в какое согрешение, вы, духовные, исправляйте такового в духе кротости, наблюдая каждый за собою, чтобы не быть искушенным. 2 Носите бремена друг друга, и таким образом исполните закон Христов. 3 Ибо кто почитает себя чем-нибудь, будучи ничто, тот обольщает сам себя

lastinline (& with no squeaky clean people around here)

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

Still waiting for where in the Bible "new israel" is referred to in the Bible

Chapter & verse

May 24, 2010

Still waiting for where in the Bible "new israel" is referred to in the Bible

Chapter & verse

Well, keep waiting. I have a funny feeling that you'll be waiting til hell freezes over, because you have no desire to hear any answers. Example; you do not understand or accept the spirit of prophecy, which is from God Himself, so therefore, you will miss many important messages to His people.

It's ok. I'm sure you'll have a nice view on your way down. You're probably already half way to your destination anyways.

May 24, 2010

Still waiting for where in the Bible "new israel" is referred to in the Bible

Chapter & verse

And,

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem...behold, your house is left unto you desolate... for I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till Ye shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord. - Matt.23:37-39

Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. - Is. 1:27

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD shall bring again Zion. Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem. The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. - Is. 52:7-10

And then shall he send the angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven - Mark 13:27

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. - Rom 2:28-9

New Israel will be made up of people who are neither Jew nor Gentile, but all people who believe.

I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan....Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. - Rev. 2:9, 3:9

And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. - Zech. 13:8,9

There is so much scripture on this topic of "New Israel."

You are looking for the letter, when in reality, it is the Spirit of Truth that does the talking to your heart if you let it.

But you don't.

Grow up.

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

Where is "new israel"

I see references to "old" Israel, God's chosen people yet NOT ONE reference to this "new israel" especially the molokans as the "new israel" as mgr writes

try again

May 24, 2010

Where is "new israel"

I see references to Israel, God's chosen people yet NOT ONE reference to this "new israel" especially the molokans as the "new israel" as mgr writes

try again

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God...

Exactly my point seekingyourowntruth.

Which is what you always seem to miss.

God's chosen isn't made up of Jews, or Christians, or Molokans, or seekinghisowntruths...

It is going to be made up of all people who believe. New Israel. So what if it's a made up term. That doesn't mean anything.

You see, maybe it's like a parable in the bible...like the many which weren't understood by the people listening to Jesus speak. You are like those people. Unhearing, spiritually deaf.

The answer is constantly put in front of you, but like a Zionist Jew, you are only in it for yourself. That is why you cannot fathom a Holy Spirit let alone heed a message from God...even though it is put in front of you in plain english.

Time to grow up.

Actually, better that you hang onto that milk over there. You aren't ready for anything else yet.

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

Again...I'll try and type slower you you can get this

Where is "new israel" found in the Bible?

Now you are saying it's a "made up term"

What else are you making up?

What happened to old "Israel"?

Replacement theology as mgr teaches is not Scriptural

as mgr writes, the molokans and ONLY the molokans... his "leapers and jumpers" are the "new israel"

WHERE IS THIS IN THE BIBLE>?

You also say "God's chosen isn't made up of Jews, or Christians, or Molokans, or seekinghisowntruths..."

Who then is it made up of?

Are you sure?

Scripture says

Romans 11:28 Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

NOT THE MOLOKAN LEAPERS AND JUMPERS

May 24, 2010

Again...I'll try and type slower you you can get this

Where is "new israel" found in the Bible?

What happened to old "Israel"?

Replacement theology as mgr teaches is not Scriptural

as mgr writes, the molokans and ONLY the molokans... his "leapers and jumpers" are the "new israel"

WHERE IS THIS IN THE BIBLE>?

Flew by you.

Grow up.

If you would reread my post, you would notice that I said people from all over...not only Molokans.

Blockhead.

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

Typing a little slower so you can see yet another contradiction in your flawed hodge-podge of faith

you say

"God's chosen isn't made up of Jews, or Christians, or Molokans, or seekinghisowntruths..."

Scripture says

Romans 11:28 Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

NOT THE MOLOKAN LEAPERS AND JUMPERS

What else are you making up?

I'm I supposed to believe you or the Bible?

Seeing as this is one in a series of Scripture "mis-handlings" you seem to engage in, I'll stick to the Bible

You should too

May 24, 2010

Typing a little slower so you can see yet another contradiction in your flawed hodge-podge of faith

you say

"God's chosen isn't made up of Jews, or Christians, or Molokans, or seekinghisowntruths..."

Scripture says

Romans 11:28 Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

NOT THE MOLOKAN LEAPERS AND JUMPERS

What else are you making up?

I'm I supposed to believe you or the Bible?

Seeing as this is one in a series of Scripture "mis-handlings" you seem to engage in, I'll stick to the Bible

You should too

No sense in continuing this dialogue. You need time to allow what has been told to you to sink in.

You are so childish seeking.

Grow up.

Before I go, show me where I have "not" brought out new israel in what I posted earlier. Show me where God says that I have lied. Show me where I am wrong. SHOW ME.

You can't disprove anything, because you pull scripture out of context and cannot make sense of anything. You sound like those people during the times of the Tower of Babel. I cannot understand anything you are saying seeking.

You make no sense.

Grow up and prove something for once. Prove to us that there will be no "New Israel."

Prove it or disprove it.

All you do is tell us to prove something, but you haven't said one word to show your own faith.

Grow up.

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

You say "show me where I have "not" brought out new israel in what I posted earlier"

I say IT'S NOT THERE because it's not

You say "new israel is talked about in the Bible"

and then you cite passages having to do with Israel

Where are the "new israelites"?

You know the ones....

Pg. 465 Bk. 9 Art. 15 Ver. 4

And this is why I, Maxim, personally became a true son of God eternally in His Spirit, and a new heir of all the world, or the progenitor of all the new Israel

Where is this in the Bible?

Also still waiting for an explanation to your obvious contradiction

you say

"God's chosen isn't made up of Jews, or Christians, or Molokans, or seekinghisowntruths..."

Scripture says

Romans 11:28 Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Typing a little slower so you can see yet another contradiction in your flawed hodge-podge of faith

you say

"God's chosen isn't made up of Jews, or Christians, or Molokans, or seekinghisowntruths..."

Scripture says

Romans 11:28 Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

NOT THE MOLOKAN LEAPERS AND JUMPERS

What else are you making up?

I'm I supposed to believe you or the Bible?

Seeing as this is one in a series of Scripture "mis-handlings" you seem to engage in, I'll stick to the Bible

You should too

No sense in continuing this dialogue. You need time to allow what has been told to you to sink in.

You are so childish seeking.

Grow up.

Before I go, show me where I have "not" brought out new israel in what I posted earlier. Show me where God says that I have lied. Show me where I am wrong. SHOW ME.

You can't disprove anything, because you pull scripture out of context and cannot make sense of anything. You sound like those people during the times of the Tower of Babel. I cannot understand anything you are saying seeking.

You make no sense.

Grow up and prove something for once. Prove to us that there will be no "New Israel."

Prove it or disprove it.

All you do is tell us to prove something, but you haven't said one word to show your own faith.

Grow up.

EGK · May 25, 2010

Where is "New Israel" taught in the bible?

Quoting from the text of "Systematic Theology by Wayne Gruden";

"With regard to this question, we should notice the many New Testament verses that understand the church as the "NEW ISRAEL" or new "PEOPLE OF GOD." The fact that "Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her" (EPH. 5:25) would suggest this. Moreover, this present church age, which has brought the salvation of many millions of Christians in the Church, is not an interruption or a parenthesis in God's plan, but a continuation of his plan expressed throughout the Old Testament to call a people unto himself. Paul says, "For he is not a real Jew who is one outwardly, nor is true circumcision something external and physical and not literal" (Roman 2:28-29). Paul recognizes that though there is a literal or natural sense in which people who physically descended from Abraham are to be called Jews, there is also a deeper or spiritual sense in which a "true Jew" (New Israel) is one who is inwardly a believer and whose heart has been cleansed by God."

If all of you had gone to BSF and studied the book of Romans you would have known this. I invite all of you to come next year when we study the book of Isaiah.

EGK (Still reading and laughing at the ignorance)

seeking_truth_1 · May 25, 2010

Hello EGK

Please do not attempt to re-define terms in the context of what mgr penned in his ramblings

His "new israel" has nothing to do with those gentiles who have been grafted in by Faith in Jesus as Lord, Savior and God with us