More Unanswered Questions

seeking_truth_1 · May 6, 2010

The list of answered questions grows and yet our little thumper can only I'm not telling or introduce more non-sense out of a defiled understanding

Here they are:

No. 1 - True Church

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

There's an OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION in your statements

Which is it?

You had posted regarding my alleged spreading of "heresy" but you neglected to address this thread

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

Seems to me not only are you lying but you're directly contradicting yourself

What is this "true church right there"?

No. 2 - "New Israel"

You say "This New Israel is talked about in the bible"

Where is this "new Israel" idea found in the Bible?

Please cite SPECIFIC instances Chapter and Verse

Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation.

No. 3 - Heresy

You stated I was spreading "heresy"

Please cite SPECIFIC instances where I did so and provide Biblical basis for your assertions

Seeking. I could prove you wrong all day long, and I could be a poet, but your wouldn't know it, but the truth of the matter is you would simply deny iy all and we'd never get anywhere...just like we already don't.

What would the point be? I could begin all the way in Genesis and end up in Spirit and Life book and physically show you understandings of things you never would have though possible, and yet there they are, staring you in the face, and you'd still deny everything...EVEN WITH PROOF.

Discussing anything with you just seems like a waste of time. All you do is Jesus this, and Jesus that. You don't understand and don't want to understand.

Grow up.

No. 4 - Mishandling Matthew 18

You attempt to make a case for a minimum number of people for this "true church" non-sense

The passage in Matthew 18 has NOTHING to do with a minimum number of people for "church"

It has EVERYTHING to do with handling an errant Brother in the Lord

See here

Matthew 18

I haven't mishandled Matthew 18. What part of "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst," don't you understand? It doesn't matter which context you derive it. The fact is, it states that God is always in our midst. You can't handle it. So, you nitpick. You are no better than a fly on a wound...constantly biting and nipping at every available weak spot, until you finally cause an infection. Only with you, the infection is disbelief in God.

lastinline · May 7, 2010

'seeking_truth_1' date='May 6 2010, 02:22 PM' post='57894'

I haven't mishandled Matthew 18. What part of "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst," don't you understand? It doesn't matter which context you derive it. The fact is, it states that God is always in our midst. You can't handle it. So, you nitpick. You are no better than a fly on a wound...constantly biting and nipping at every available weak spot, until you finally cause an infection. Only with you, the infection is disbelief in God.

I think our beloved guest, really stepped in it now, his "new israelite" brethren are going to be quite upset with him on the miry gook of the u.n.d.e.r.g.r.o.u.d. He stated that when there is a gathering in the Name of Jesus, "God is always in our midst." His brethren are nitpick him into pulp.

lastinline (where Jesus reigns as God)

seeking_truth_1 · May 8, 2010

You cannot continue to make ridiculous statements and expect them to be simply accepted as "fact" when you CANNOT back ANYTHING you say up with Scripture

No. 1 - "True Church"

No. 2 - "New Israel"

No. 3 - "Heresy"

No. 4 - Mishandling Matthew 18

We're still waiting for some FACTS as found in Scripture to substantiate your statements

seeking_truth_1 · May 9, 2010

Hello...?

You are reading this, yet you won't answer

Please...You really need to get honest with yourself

lastinline · May 10, 2010

Hello...?
You are reading this, yet you won't answer

Please...You really need to get honest with yourself

Seems, quite happy with the 2 or 3 that gather at blue-top heresy paradise on Sunday mornings.

Impatiently waiting for the Rapture, to be rid of the likes of us brethren.

lastinline (& anxiouus to fly with other brethren)

seeking_truth_1 · May 11, 2010

Our little thumper still is posting and making ridiculous statements but won't back ANYTHING up

No. 1 - "True Church"

No. 2 - "New Israel"

No. 3 - "Heresy"

No. 4 - Mishandling Matthew 18

lastinline · May 16, 2010

The blindly arrogant are not able to allow their beliefs, to stand the scrutiny of Holy Scriptures for this very reason;

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. NKJV

Евреям 4:12 Ибо слово Божие живо и действенно и острее всякого меча обоюдоострого: оно проникает до разделения души и духа, составов и мозгов, и судит помышления и намерения сердечные

lastinline (where reasoning is scrutinized by the Word)

Our little thumper still is posting and making ridiculous statements but won't back ANYTHING up
No. 1 - "True Church"

No. 2 - "New Israel"

No. 3 - "Heresy"

No. 4 - Mishandling Matthew 18

seeking_truth_1 · May 19, 2010

The list of answered questions grows and yet our little thumper can only I'm not telling or introduce more non-sense out of a defiled understanding

Here they are:

No. 1 - True Church

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

There's an OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION in your statements

Which is it?

You had posted regarding my alleged spreading of "heresy" but you neglected to address this thread

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

Seems to me not only are you lying but you're directly contradicting yourself

What is this "true church right there"?

No. 2 - "New Israel"

You say "This New Israel is talked about in the bible"

Where is this "new Israel" idea found in the Bible?

Please cite SPECIFIC instances Chapter and Verse

Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation.

No. 3 - Heresy

You stated I was spreading "heresy"

Please cite SPECIFIC instances where I did so and provide Biblical basis for your assertions

Seeking. I could prove you wrong all day long, and I could be a poet, but your wouldn't know it, but the truth of the matter is you would simply deny iy all and we'd never get anywhere...just like we already don't.

What would the point be? I could begin all the way in Genesis and end up in Spirit and Life book and physically show you understandings of things you never would have though possible, and yet there they are, staring you in the face, and you'd still deny everything...EVEN WITH PROOF.

Discussing anything with you just seems like a waste of time. All you do is Jesus this, and Jesus that. You don't understand and don't want to understand.

Grow up.

No. 4 - Mishandling Matthew 18

You attempt to make a case for a minimum number of people for this "true church" non-sense

The passage in Matthew 18 has NOTHING to do with a minimum number of people for "church"

It has EVERYTHING to do with handling an errant Brother in the Lord

See here

Matthew 18

No. 5 - Not Quoting Scripture

You say "You never quote scripture when asked to, and yet, you beg everyone else to show the word."

Where have I done this?

Unless you are referring to the idiocy of asking to "prove" something that is not found in the Bible to be Biblical

Of course the Scripture doesn't exist

You continue to make wild allegations and when caught you simply ignore your willful ignorance

If you are going to continue digging a hole for yourself, you're going to need a bigger shovel

With all due respect seeking...you're a complete idiot...through and through.

You never quote scripture when asked to, and yet, you beg everyone else to show the word. You simply rag on Molokans. It's what you do. You have no respect for anyone, including yourself.

Prove scripturally, that a Pominki is not glorifying God and that He reviles it. Show me. Show us. You cannot, because such scripture doesn't exist.

Pominkis are not so we can pray the dead to heaven. Pominkis are for comfort of the living, and so that God have mercy on the dearly departed. Nothing wrong there. In fact, the fact that we have a Pominki shows a respect for God...unlike 99 percent of false christianity.

Like I said before, please grow up.

I haven't mishandled Matthew 18. What part of "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst," don't you understand? It doesn't matter which context you derive it. The fact is, it states that God is always in our midst. You can't handle it. So, you nitpick. You are no better than a fly on a wound...constantly biting and nipping at every available weak spot, until you finally cause an infection. Only with you, the infection is disbelief in God.

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

Yet another baseless statement made by our little thumper

Still waiting for your explanations on the other five too

No. 6 - Not Knowing Scripture

All of you are ridiculous internet sharks without any knowledge of basic scripture yourselves, and yet here you are nitpicking everyone else.

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

Maybe this is too overwhelming for our proud little friend so maybe we say try one of these

Our proud little friend said

"Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation."

Where is "this new israel" talked about in the Bible?

Please cite Chapter and verse

stevepiv · May 24, 2010

Maybe this is too overwhelming for our proud little friend so maybe we say try one of these

Our proud little friend said

"Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation."

Where is "this new israel" talked about in the Bible?

Please cite Chapter and verse

So, again in otherwords, he believes "man can save man" or "man can save self".

Notice he'll use words like "repent" "reformation of oneself" "kingdom of Christ" "God promised" "spirit and truth" "spirit of prophecy"... He makes it sound like he's a believer and knows what he's talking about. yet, he knows NOTHING, because he is apart from Christ. And, knowing that he is apart from Christ, he'll try to "save oneself". Our works are like filthy rags.

The guest "truthhurts" doesn't mention THE CROSS of where the Wrath of Our Eternal God was poured out on His Beloved Son. He won't mention THE BLOOD of Jesus Christ that washes a man's sins clean and puts a new heart and spirit within him. He won't mention that God is Our Savior, man cannot save himself. THE RESURRECTION, the victory of Jesus over sin and death and Jesus' PERFECT ATONEMENT, SACRIFICE. The PROPITIATION that Jesus made.

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

No. 7 - you haven't said one word to show your own faith

Really?

Here's it is again... It's real simple

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Ro 3:23 AV)

“For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Ro 6:23 AV)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Ro 10:9 AV)

That goes for EVERYONE not just "new israelis"

If you can get past this, then where are the Black Christians, Asian Christians and Mexican Christians within the molokan "church"?

Typing a little slower so you can see yet another contradiction in your flawed hodge-podge of faith

you say

"God's chosen isn't made up of Jews, or Christians, or Molokans, or seekinghisowntruths..."

Scripture says

Romans 11:28 Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

NOT THE MOLOKAN LEAPERS AND JUMPERS

What else are you making up?

I'm I supposed to believe you or the Bible?

Seeing as this is one in a series of Scripture "mis-handlings" you seem to engage in, I'll stick to the Bible

You should too

No sense in continuing this dialogue. You need time to allow what has been told to you to sink in.

You are so childish seeking.

Grow up.

Before I go, show me where I have "not" brought out new israel in what I posted earlier. Show me where God says that I have lied. Show me where I am wrong. SHOW ME.

You can't disprove anything, because you pull scripture out of context and cannot make sense of anything. You sound like those people during the times of the Tower of Babel. I cannot understand anything you are saying seeking.

You make no sense.

Grow up and prove something for once. Prove to us that there will be no "New Israel."

Prove it or disprove it.

All you do is tell us to prove something, but you haven't said one word to show your own faith.

Grow up.

May 24, 2010

No. 7 - you haven't said one word to show your own faith

Really?

Here's it is again... It's real simple

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Ro 3:23 AV)

“For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Ro 6:23 AV)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Ro 10:9 AV)

That goes for EVERYONE not just "new israelis"

If you can get past this, then where are the Black Christians, Asian Christians and Mexican Christians within the molokan "church"?

Typing a little slower so you can see yet another contradiction in your flawed hodge-podge of faith

you say

"God's chosen isn't made up of Jews, or Christians, or Molokans, or seekinghisowntruths..."

Scripture says

Romans 11:28 Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

NOT THE MOLOKAN LEAPERS AND JUMPERS

What else are you making up?

I'm I supposed to believe you or the Bible?

Seeing as this is one in a series of Scripture "mis-handlings" you seem to engage in, I'll stick to the Bible

You should too

No sense in continuing this dialogue. You need time to allow what has been told to you to sink in.

You are so childish seeking.

Grow up.

Before I go, show me where I have "not" brought out new israel in what I posted earlier. Show me where God says that I have lied. Show me where I am wrong. SHOW ME.

You can't disprove anything, because you pull scripture out of context and cannot make sense of anything. You sound like those people during the times of the Tower of Babel. I cannot understand anything you are saying seeking.

You make no sense.

Grow up and prove something for once. Prove to us that there will be no "New Israel."

Prove it or disprove it.

All you do is tell us to prove something, but you haven't said one word to show your own faith.

Grow up.

Never said there weren't black Christians. Just because they aren't in a Molokan church means absolutely nothing.

It seems like you are having hangups over individual churches and their makeup.

Just because a church is only made up of Molokans, or just black people, or only native indians, does not have anything to do with salvation...theirs or anyone elses. The only thing that matters is whether they worship in Spirit and Truth.

Grow up.

May 24, 2010

Maybe this is too overwhelming for our proud little friend so maybe we say try one of these

Our proud little friend said

"Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation."

Where is "this new israel" talked about in the Bible?

Please cite Chapter and verse

So, again in otherwords, he believes "man can save man" or "man can save self".

Notice he'll use words like "repent" "reformation of oneself" "kingdom of Christ" "God promised" "spirit and truth" "spirit of prophecy"... He makes it sound like he's a believer and knows what he's talking about. yet, he knows NOTHING, because he is apart from Christ. And, knowing that he is apart from Christ, he'll try to "save oneself". Our works are like filthy rags.

The guest "truthhurts" doesn't mention THE CROSS of where the Wrath of Our Eternal God was poured out on His Beloved Son. He won't mention THE BLOOD of Jesus Christ that washes a man's sins clean and puts a new heart and spirit within him. He won't mention that God is Our Savior, man cannot save himself. THE RESURRECTION, the victory of Jesus over sin and death and Jesus' PERFECT ATONEMENT, SACRIFICE. The PROPITIATION that Jesus made.

I don't focus on the cross Steve, I focus on the resurrection. That's your mistake. You worship a dead empty and spiritless christ of your imagination, one that is still sitting there on the cross, and not the living one that resurrected.

You, like seeking, should grow up.

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

Really?

Could a Black Christian, Asian Christian or Mexican Christian join the molokan "church" and be a part of this "new israel"?

Be careful how you answer...God hates lying

No. 7 - you haven't said one word to show your own faith

Really?

Here's it is again... It's real simple

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Ro 3:23 AV)

"For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Ro 6:23 AV)

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Ro 10:9 AV)

That goes for EVERYONE not just "new israelis"

If you can get past this, then where are the Black Christians, Asian Christians and Mexican Christians within the molokan "church"?

Typing a little slower so you can see yet another contradiction in your flawed hodge-podge of faith

you say

"God's chosen isn't made up of Jews, or Christians, or Molokans, or seekinghisowntruths..."

Scripture says

Romans 11:28 Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

NOT THE MOLOKAN LEAPERS AND JUMPERS

What else are you making up?

I'm I supposed to believe you or the Bible?

Seeing as this is one in a series of Scripture "mis-handlings" you seem to engage in, I'll stick to the Bible

You should too

No sense in continuing this dialogue. You need time to allow what has been told to you to sink in.

You are so childish seeking.

Grow up.

Before I go, show me where I have "not" brought out new israel in what I posted earlier. Show me where God says that I have lied. Show me where I am wrong. SHOW ME.

You can't disprove anything, because you pull scripture out of context and cannot make sense of anything. You sound like those people during the times of the Tower of Babel. I cannot understand anything you are saying seeking.

You make no sense.

Grow up and prove something for once. Prove to us that there will be no "New Israel."

Prove it or disprove it.

All you do is tell us to prove something, but you haven't said one word to show your own faith.

Grow up.

Never said there weren't black Christians. Just because they aren't in a Molokan church means absolutely nothing.

It seems like you are having hangups over individual churches and their makeup.

Just because a church is only made up of Molokans, or just black people, or only native indians, does not have anything to do with salvation...theirs or anyone elses. The only thing that matters is whether they worship in Spirit and Truth.

Grow up.

May 24, 2010

Really?

Could a Black Christian, Asian Christian or Mexican Christian join the molokan "church" and be a part of this "new israel"?

Be careful how you answer...God hates lying

No. 7 - you haven't said one word to show your own faith

Really?

Here's it is again... It's real simple

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Ro 3:23 AV)

"For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Ro 6:23 AV)

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Ro 10:9 AV)

That goes for EVERYONE not just "new israelis"

If you can get past this, then where are the Black Christians, Asian Christians and Mexican Christians within the molokan "church"?

Typing a little slower so you can see yet another contradiction in your flawed hodge-podge of faith

you say

"God's chosen isn't made up of Jews, or Christians, or Molokans, or seekinghisowntruths..."

Scripture says

Romans 11:28 Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

NOT THE MOLOKAN LEAPERS AND JUMPERS

What else are you making up?

I'm I supposed to believe you or the Bible?

Seeing as this is one in a series of Scripture "mis-handlings" you seem to engage in, I'll stick to the Bible

You should too

No sense in continuing this dialogue. You need time to allow what has been told to you to sink in.

You are so childish seeking.

Grow up.

Before I go, show me where I have "not" brought out new israel in what I posted earlier. Show me where God says that I have lied. Show me where I am wrong. SHOW ME.

You can't disprove anything, because you pull scripture out of context and cannot make sense of anything. You sound like those people during the times of the Tower of Babel. I cannot understand anything you are saying seeking.

You make no sense.

Grow up and prove something for once. Prove to us that there will be no "New Israel."

Prove it or disprove it.

All you do is tell us to prove something, but you haven't said one word to show your own faith.

Grow up.

Never said there weren't black Christians. Just because they aren't in a Molokan church means absolutely nothing.

It seems like you are having hangups over individual churches and their makeup.

Just because a church is only made up of Molokans, or just black people, or only native indians, does not have anything to do with salvation...theirs or anyone elses. The only thing that matters is whether they worship in Spirit and Truth.

Grow up.

In a perfect world, anyone could be a part of any church and be saved, but the real question is if one wants to be a part of the church of which Christ is the head. It isn't necessary to be a part of the "Molokan" church to be saved or worship the living God.

So, did you marry a black woman seeking? You seem to be predisposed to issues relating to black people.

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

Here's the question again

Could a Black Christian, Asian Christian or Mexican Christian join the molokan "church" and be a part of this "new israel"?

Be careful how you answer...God hates lying

Your "answer" is

"In a perfect world, anyone could be a part of any church and be saved, but the real question is if one wants to be a part of the church of which Christ is the head. It isn't necessary to be a part of the "Molokan" church to be saved or worship the living God.

So, did you marry a black woman seeking? You seem to be predisposed to issues relating to black people. "

Sorry to say, that IS NOT an answer but an attempt to change focus off the question

Do I need to type more slowly again?

Here it is more slowly

Could a Black Christian, Asian Christian or Mexican Christian join the molokan "church" and be a part of this "new israel"?

stevepiv · May 24, 2010

Maybe this is too overwhelming for our proud little friend so maybe we say try one of these

Our proud little friend said

"Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation."

Where is "this new israel" talked about in the Bible?

Please cite Chapter and verse

So, again in otherwords, he believes "man can save man" or "man can save self".

Notice he'll use words like "repent" "reformation of oneself" "kingdom of Christ" "God promised" "spirit and truth" "spirit of prophecy"... He makes it sound like he's a believer and knows what he's talking about. yet, he knows NOTHING, because he is apart from Christ. And, knowing that he is apart from Christ, he'll try to "save oneself". Our works are like filthy rags.

The guest "truthhurts" doesn't mention THE CROSS of where the Wrath of Our Eternal God was poured out on His Beloved Son. He won't mention THE BLOOD of Jesus Christ that washes a man's sins clean and puts a new heart and spirit within him. He won't mention that God is Our Savior, man cannot save himself. THE RESURRECTION, the victory of Jesus over sin and death and Jesus' PERFECT ATONEMENT, SACRIFICE. The PROPITIATION that Jesus made.

I don't focus on the cross Steve, I focus on the resurrection. That's your mistake. You worship a dead empty and spiritless christ of your imagination, one that is still sitting there on the cross, and not the living one that resurrected.

You, like seeking, should grow up.

Read the rest of my statement.

seeking_truth_1 · May 24, 2010

Hey Steve... I don't see it....You didn't say that... You need to grow up :hihi:

You're deceived just like me and kev

Good Grief

stevepiv · May 24, 2010

Hey Steve... I don't see it....You didn't say that... You need to grow up
You're deceived just like me and kev

Good Grief

Yeah, at times this can seem like it's hitting a brick wall, but there are many out there reading this information and reading for themselves firsthand what is really in the spirit & life book.

It's not just filled with church orders and history.

May 25, 2010

Hey Steve... I don't see it....You didn't say that... You need to grow up
You're deceived just like me and kev

Good Grief

Yeah, at times this can seem like it's hitting a brick wall, but there are many out there reading this information and reading for themselves firsthand what is really in the spirit & life book.

It's not just filled with church orders and history.

Pretty much all you guys do in here is bring down others, because you are filled with the spirits of demons and don't know any other way than to tear apart others.

It's to bad you don't listen to the few willing to help you.

seeking_truth_1 · May 25, 2010

What exactly do you have to "help"?

A failed religion of men and false system of "worship"?

What good is that?

Hey Steve... I don't see it....You didn't say that... You need to grow up
You're deceived just like me and kev

Good Grief

Yeah, at times this can seem like it's hitting a brick wall, but there are many out there reading this information and reading for themselves firsthand what is really in the spirit & life book.

It's not just filled with church orders and history.

Pretty much all you guys do in here is bring down others, because you are filled with the spirits of demons and don't know any other way than to tear apart others.

It's to bad you don't listen to the few willing to help you.

stevepiv · May 25, 2010

Hey Steve... I don't see it....You didn't say that... You need to grow up
You're deceived just like me and kev

Good Grief

Yeah, at times this can seem like it's hitting a brick wall, but there are many out there reading this information and reading for themselves firsthand what is really in the spirit & life book.

It's not just filled with church orders and history.

Pretty much all you guys do in here is bring down others, because you are filled with the spirits of demons and don't know any other way than to tear apart others.

It's to bad you don't listen to the few willing to help you.

As Apostle writes:

2nd Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. 7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

The religion of man, traditions of man to obtain salvation, prayers for infants that somehow "make the children holy", prayers for dead to "forgive their sins", "fulfilling poinkee living receive salvation"...

THAT IS AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.

A mere man like Maxim with his imagniations, heresies, false claims and exalting of himself IS AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.

I pray that this stronghold is broken not by my power or words, but by GOD'S POWER through His Word and Holy Spirit in regenerating a lost dead sinner, as I once was myself.

God's Grace is sufficient, His Love, His Mercy, His Forgiveness is SO WONDERFUL and FULFILLING and AWESOME, JOY.

May 25, 2010

Hey Steve... I don't see it....You didn't say that... You need to grow up
You're deceived just like me and kev

Good Grief

Yeah, at times this can seem like it's hitting a brick wall, but there are many out there reading this information and reading for themselves firsthand what is really in the spirit & life book.

It's not just filled with church orders and history.

Pretty much all you guys do in here is bring down others, because you are filled with the spirits of demons and don't know any other way than to tear apart others.

It's to bad you don't listen to the few willing to help you.

As Apostle writes:

2nd Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. 7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

The religion of man, traditions of man to obtain salvation, prayers for infants that somehow "make the children holy", prayers for dead to "forgive their sins", "fulfilling poinkee living receive salvation"...

THAT IS AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.

A mere man like Maxim with his imagniations, heresies, false claims and exalting of himself IS AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.

I pray that this stronghold is broken not by my power or words, but by GOD'S POWER through His Word and Holy Spirit in regenerating a lost dead sinner, as I once was myself.

God's Grace is sufficient, His Love, His Mercy, His Forgiveness is SO WONDERFUL and FULFILLING and AWESOME, JOY.

Wow Steve...God's grace is sufficient. Sufficient for what?

Oh and number two; I don't worhip MGR. What is it with you people? Don't have much of a life I guess.

Oh and by the way Steve. You are still a sinner....through and through.

Remember, you are still a mere man....just like Maxim.

stevepiv · May 25, 2010

Hey Steve... I don't see it....You didn't say that... You need to grow up
You're deceived just like me and kev

Good Grief

Yeah, at times this can seem like it's hitting a brick wall, but there are many out there reading this information and reading for themselves firsthand what is really in the spirit & life book.

It's not just filled with church orders and history.

Pretty much all you guys do in here is bring down others, because you are filled with the spirits of demons and don't know any other way than to tear apart others.

It's to bad you don't listen to the few willing to help you.

As Apostle writes:

2nd Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. 7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

The religion of man, traditions of man to obtain salvation, prayers for infants that somehow "make the children holy", prayers for dead to "forgive their sins", "fulfilling poinkee living receive salvation"...

THAT IS AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.

A mere man like Maxim with his imagniations, heresies, false claims and exalting of himself IS AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.

I pray that this stronghold is broken not by my power or words, but by GOD'S POWER through His Word and Holy Spirit in regenerating a lost dead sinner, as I once was myself.

God's Grace is sufficient, His Love, His Mercy, His Forgiveness is SO WONDERFUL and FULFILLING and AWESOME, JOY.

Wow Steve...God's grace is sufficient. Sufficient for what?

Oh and number two; I don't worhip MGR. What is it with you people? Don't have much of a life I guess.

Oh and by the way Steve. You are still a sinner....through and through.

Remember, you are still a mere man....just like Maxim.

God's Grace is sufficient to save me, YES A SINNER. I NEVER denied that at all.

I can't work for my salvation, can't pay my own ransom, apart from Christ I am NOTHING, DAMNED, HELLBOUND. God's Grace is Sufficient and He Loved the World in this way, that He Gave His Only Begotten Son, to drinkThe Cup of God's Wrath, The Sins of The World, Spill His Precious Holy Blood that Cleanses Men, Gives a New heart, mind and spirit to ALL who come to Him in Repentance and Faith in Jesus.

Praise God you don't worship MGR, there are many that do with knowledge of that and without knowledge. Read song # 221 and notice a man who gave himself the title "king of spirits" is glorified in this song.

I don't have a life of my own, you're right. Apostle Paul explained this very well of a person who has been Reborn. :

Galatians 2:17 "If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker. 19 For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

seeking_truth_1 · May 26, 2010

This poor boy does not know his Bible at all

"And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." (2Corinthians 12:9 NKJV)

As to worshipping mgr...sure you do

Every time you exercise a procedure from the ramblings of mgr you do

Every time you sing a song to "honor" mgr you do

By the way, you haven't addressed your contradictions, mis-handlings or fallacious allegations

Wow Steve...God's grace is sufficient. Sufficient for what?

Oh and number two; I don't worhip MGR. What is it with you people? Don't have much of a life I guess.

Oh and by the way Steve. You are still a sinner....through and through.

Remember, you are still a mere man....just like Maxim.

lastinline · May 26, 2010

Oh and number two; I don't worhip MGR. What is it with you people? Don't have much of a life I guess.
Remember, you are still a mere man....just like Maxim.

Then why did he claim to be the "messiah of new israel."

lastinline (& a friendly face in the crowd)

seeking_truth_1 · May 28, 2010

The list of answered questions grows and yet our little thumper can only I'm not telling or introduce more non-sense out of a defiled understanding

Here they are:

No. 1 - True Church

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

There's an OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION in your statements

Which is it?

You had posted regarding my alleged spreading of "heresy" but you neglected to address this thread

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

Seems to me not only are you lying but you're directly contradicting yourself

What is this "true church right there"?

No. 2 - "New Israel"

You say "This New Israel is talked about in the bible"

Where is this "new Israel" idea found in the Bible?

Please cite SPECIFIC instances Chapter and Verse

Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation.

No. 3 - Heresy

You stated I was spreading "heresy"

Please cite SPECIFIC instances where I did so and provide Biblical basis for your assertions

Seeking. I could prove you wrong all day long, and I could be a poet, but your wouldn't know it, but the truth of the matter is you would simply deny iy all and we'd never get anywhere...just like we already don't.

What would the point be? I could begin all the way in Genesis and end up in Spirit and Life book and physically show you understandings of things you never would have though possible, and yet there they are, staring you in the face, and you'd still deny everything...EVEN WITH PROOF.

Discussing anything with you just seems like a waste of time. All you do is Jesus this, and Jesus that. You don't understand and don't want to understand.

Grow up.

No. 4 - Mishandling Matthew 18

You attempt to make a case for a minimum number of people for this "true church" non-sense

The passage in Matthew 18 has NOTHING to do with a minimum number of people for "church"

It has EVERYTHING to do with handling an errant Brother in the Lord

See here

Matthew 18

I haven't mishandled Matthew 18. What part of "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst," don't you understand? It doesn't matter which context you derive it. The fact is, it states that God is always in our midst. You can't handle it. So, you nitpick. You are no better than a fly on a wound...constantly biting and nipping at every available weak spot, until you finally cause an infection. Only with you, the infection is disbelief in God.

No. 6 - Not Knowing Scripture

All of you are ridiculous internet sharks without any knowledge of basic scripture yourselves, and yet here you are nitpicking everyone else.

No. 7 - Not Explaining My Faith

you haven't said one word to show your own faith

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Ro 3:23 AV)

“For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Ro 6:23 AV)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Ro 10:9 AV)

No. 8 - Spreading "lies and damnation" to the Molokan youth

You say they are "spreading lies and damnation to the Molokan youth"

I ask you HOW?

What Biblical Truth is being violated?

Please provide contextural Biblical references to support your outlandish claims

By the way, would be be kind enough to explain your mis-handling of Scripture and contradictions before you wobble off on another tangent

Thought I'd swing through here and thumpity thump thump my chest.

Sounds like Steve Piv and Porlo have their hands full. Good luck. You'll need it, because obviously and through your own words, God is not on your side....spreading lies and damnation to the Molokan youth.

Wait til this gets out to the prestoli of the mother churches. Who cares though....right? You denounce them anyways. See you next holy days.

May 28, 2010

The list of answered questions grows and yet our little thumper can only I'm not telling or introduce more non-sense out of a defiled understanding

Here they are:

No. 1 - True Church

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

There's an OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION in your statements

Which is it?

You had posted regarding my alleged spreading of "heresy" but you neglected to address this thread

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

Seems to me not only are you lying but you're directly contradicting yourself

What is this "true church right there"?

No. 2 - "New Israel"

You say "This New Israel is talked about in the bible"

Where is this "new Israel" idea found in the Bible?

Please cite SPECIFIC instances Chapter and Verse

Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation.

No. 3 - Heresy

You stated I was spreading "heresy"

Please cite SPECIFIC instances where I did so and provide Biblical basis for your assertions

Seeking. I could prove you wrong all day long, and I could be a poet, but your wouldn't know it, but the truth of the matter is you would simply deny iy all and we'd never get anywhere...just like we already don't.

What would the point be? I could begin all the way in Genesis and end up in Spirit and Life book and physically show you understandings of things you never would have though possible, and yet there they are, staring you in the face, and you'd still deny everything...EVEN WITH PROOF.

Discussing anything with you just seems like a waste of time. All you do is Jesus this, and Jesus that. You don't understand and don't want to understand.

Grow up.

No. 4 - Mishandling Matthew 18

You attempt to make a case for a minimum number of people for this "true church" non-sense

The passage in Matthew 18 has NOTHING to do with a minimum number of people for "church"

It has EVERYTHING to do with handling an errant Brother in the Lord

See here

Matthew 18

I haven't mishandled Matthew 18. What part of "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst," don't you understand? It doesn't matter which context you derive it. The fact is, it states that God is always in our midst. You can't handle it. So, you nitpick. You are no better than a fly on a wound...constantly biting and nipping at every available weak spot, until you finally cause an infection. Only with you, the infection is disbelief in God.

No. 6 - Not Knowing Scripture

All of you are ridiculous internet sharks without any knowledge of basic scripture yourselves, and yet here you are nitpicking everyone else.

No. 7 - Not Explaining My Faith

you haven't said one word to show your own faith

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Ro 3:23 AV)

“For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Ro 6:23 AV)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Ro 10:9 AV)

No. 8 - Spreading "lies and damnation" to the Molokan youth

You say they are "spreading lies and damnation to the Molokan youth"

I ask you HOW?

What Biblical Truth is being violated?

Please provide contextural Biblical references to support your outlandish claims

By the way, would be be kind enough to explain your mis-handling of Scripture and contradictions before you wobble off on another tangent

Thought I'd swing through here and thumpity thump thump my chest.

Sounds like Steve Piv and Porlo have their hands full. Good luck. You'll need it, because obviously and through your own words, God is not on your side....spreading lies and damnation to the Molokan youth.

Wait til this gets out to the prestoli of the mother churches. Who cares though....right? You denounce them anyways. See you next holy days.

You're posts get longer, yet you say less and less.

seeking_truth_1 · May 28, 2010

It's real simple...

Address you inconsistencies and maybe the list will get shorter

Until then, you will continue to be held to account for your baseless statements

Do be reminded the majority of the content comes FROM YOU and all I'm looking for is some contextual Biblical support for your statements, allegations, inconsistencies & mis-handlings

I back up what I say, yet you make a bunch of RIDICULOUS statements, get called on them and run away like a little child

You continually tell people to "grow up"...

How about this, stop telling and start listening

lastinline · May 28, 2010

You're posts get longer, yet you say less and less.

Many teenagers are aware of the "monster truck" sceme, where one of the trucks is called Grave Digger. It is one the most popular attractions on the monster truck racing circuit.

Most of us are aware, that to be successful in any endeavor, the greater the knowledge of all the aspects of that endeavor, will bring a greater assurance of being a success. As has been shown over and over, by our dear friend that for this exercise will use the handle of "chest-thumper" which he seems to bring c-t the most pride. In an area of the spiritual life of Molokans that has eternal consequences, c-t makes many accusations/assertions and when c-t is asked to clarify his stances with some reasonable argument that can stand the scrutiny of the Holy Scriptures or common sense, c-t's response is merely to hunker down with a grave digger mentality. Would not someone with strong grasp of spiritual truth not need to have this type of mentality?

Would you put your trust in such a person as chest-thumper? Does c-t have your spiritual well-being as the most important of issue of all? That is a question that only you can answer.

lastinline (where there is no fooling around when the Truth is needed)

May 29, 2010

Hello. New to the forum.

I'm not siding with thumper or whoever you are referring to, but why not try a true Christlike approach to chatting with him rather than name calling and undermining his trust in you before you even get a chance to build that trust up?

Christ would not mistreat people this way. Again, not sure which churches you all attend, but seems to me like none of you are worshiping God.

My coupla cents here in Northern Calif.

seeking_truth_1 · May 29, 2010

No 9. - "The majority of the Molokan churches do not pray to or accept MGR as their savior. "

Really...?

Not according to the god of the cult of molokanism

mgr is the "new jewish messiah" by which "salvation" comes and all the prayers" of his "faithful leapers & jumpers" are conveyed to God

You have NO clue

Why is the s&l still ANYWHERE in an alleged "christian church"?

You are about as retarded as most on here, so nothing new there.

The majority of the Molokan churches do not pray to or accept MGR as their savior.

Dum bass.

seeking_truth_1 · May 31, 2010

You say "why not try a true Christlike approach to chatting with him"

You also say "Christ would not mistreat people this way"

Firstly, how do you know it's a "him"?

Are you "him" now acting as a deceiver?

Jesus dealt with people where they were at

To the hard person He was firm (John 4:4)

To the person not seeing their need Jesus told them straight (Matthew 19:16)

To the broken, He was merciful (John 8:1)

To the religious deceivers he rightly identified them (Matthew 23:13)

Was Jesus "mistreating" the religious liars?

What he calling them "names" or rightly identifying what they were

Our little friend falls into the latter category and is dealt with accordingly

A civil discussion is up to them but I believe they are incapable because their pride makes that impossible

Hello. New to the forum.

I'm not siding with thumper or whoever you are referring to, but why not try a true Christlike approach to chatting with him rather than name calling and undermining his trust in you before you even get a chance to build that trust up?

Christ would not mistreat people this way. Again, not sure which churches you all attend, but seems to me like none of you are worshiping God.

My coupla cents here in Northern Calif.

seeking_truth_1 · June 1, 2010

Here they are again

The list of answered questions grows and yet our little thumper can only I'm not telling or introduce more non-sense out of a defiled understanding

Here they are:

No. 1 - True Church

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

There's an OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION in your statements

Which is it?

You had posted regarding my alleged spreading of "heresy" but you neglected to address this thread

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

Seems to me not only are you lying but you're directly contradicting yourself

What is this "true church right there"?

No. 2 - "New Israel"

You say "This New Israel is talked about in the bible"

Where is this "new Israel" idea found in the Bible?

Please cite SPECIFIC instances Chapter and Verse

Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation.

No. 3 - Heresy

You stated I was spreading "heresy"

Please cite SPECIFIC instances where I did so and provide Biblical basis for your assertions

Seeking. I could prove you wrong all day long, and I could be a poet, but your wouldn't know it, but the truth of the matter is you would simply deny iy all and we'd never get anywhere...just like we already don't.

What would the point be? I could begin all the way in Genesis and end up in Spirit and Life book and physically show you understandings of things you never would have though possible, and yet there they are, staring you in the face, and you'd still deny everything...EVEN WITH PROOF.

Discussing anything with you just seems like a waste of time. All you do is Jesus this, and Jesus that. You don't understand and don't want to understand.

Grow up.

No. 4 - Mishandling Matthew 18

You attempt to make a case for a minimum number of people for this "true church" non-sense

The passage in Matthew 18 has NOTHING to do with a minimum number of people for "church"

It has EVERYTHING to do with handling an errant Brother in the Lord

See here

Matthew 18

I haven't mishandled Matthew 18. What part of "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst," don't you understand? It doesn't matter which context you derive it. The fact is, it states that God is always in our midst. You can't handle it. So, you nitpick. You are no better than a fly on a wound...constantly biting and nipping at every available weak spot, until you finally cause an infection. Only with you, the infection is disbelief in God.

No. 6 - Not Knowing Scripture

All of you are ridiculous internet sharks without any knowledge of basic scripture yourselves, and yet here you are nitpicking everyone else.

No. 7 - Not Explaining My Faith

you haven't said one word to show your own faith

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Ro 3:23 AV)

"For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Ro 6:23 AV)

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Ro 10:9 AV)

No. 8 - Spreading "lies and damnation" to the Molokan youth

You say they are "spreading lies and damnation to the Molokan youth"

I ask you HOW?

What Biblical Truth is being violated?

Please provide contextural Biblical references to support your outlandish claims

By the way, would be be kind enough to explain your mis-handling of Scripture and contradictions before you wobble off on another tangent

Thought I'd swing through here and thumpity thump thump my chest.

Sounds like Steve Piv and Porlo have their hands full. Good luck. You'll need it, because obviously and through your own words, God is not on your side....spreading lies and damnation to the Molokan youth.

Wait til this gets out to the prestoli of the mother churches. Who cares though....right? You denounce them anyways. See you next holy days.

seeking_truth_1 · June 2, 2010

Yet another unsubstantiated claim

No. 9 - The "False" false teachings of Paul Washer

Specifically what is "false"

Please provide Biblical support instead of your endless baseless opinions

So, false teachings of Washer and JO aside Piv...what are you gonna do when your parents die?

Will we see you sorrowfully and regrettably drag your behind to the krugh to repent on their behalf?

June 4, 2010

Why do so many followers dig down deeper than The Word of God unto the books written by the hand of man?

Because some books are written by gifted individuals that are capable to teach others the timeless truths that are found in scripture. Neither Calvin nor Arminius claimed their writings to supersede or replace scripture like MGR.

Is Calvanism and Arminisism (Spelling) really from God? How can they both be from God when they do not go hand in hand?

Calvinism is a summery of how salvation occurs according to what is written in scripture. There are no added fillers or preservatives. Arminianism is short sighted and in the end glorifies man, not God. It is one of the extreme sides to take, with Hyper-Calvinism being the other extreme view. Calvinism is the only "middle of the road" view properly explaining the total work of salvation based on scripture. The others are totally wrong.

Where does God command us to read all these man-made creeds and garbage of man? This is what causes so much un-needed grief and separation. Does not Jesus just simply give us instructions to go out and preach the Gospel? And to the ones that do not want to exept it, do shake off the dust?

This is a silly question. God commands to seek Him, to learn about Him, and to make sure that what is said is in accordance with His Word. How will anyone know what others believe without reading a creed, confession of faith, or their writings? How do you know what your church believes?

In regards to the "unneeded grief", please take a look see at 1 Cor 11:18-19. Apostle Paul says divisions and factions are needed so that those who are genuine may be recognized. So these topics of discussion and study are good for the church.

Well, my understanding is that a person that has a hard heart may shut the Truth out. Then the next time that persons heart may be a bit softer and open to hear the Truth? Or the next time, The Gospel may be presented in a way that cuts to The Heart? Or The person may accept The Truth when it was presented Through The Grace of God? Should we only try once and then give up as they may be damned? Why shoule we even try? Why does it really matter if God has His chosen and His damned?

God does the convicting and saving; therefore, it is not how the message is presented. God does not rely on smooth or persuasive speech to get the job done. Nevertheless, we are to preach, for that is commanded. God has chosen the foolishness of preaching to be the means of bringing the chosen to faith by hearing the Gospel message.

I was reading something about God's "chosen" and it tore my heart apart. If God created only some to be saved then this would mean He literally created some just so He can damn them to hell? Is this a loving and just God that would do such a thing?

Yes, God is JUST. everyone of us deserves Hell because we are sinners. God owes you nothing. God is God, so he can do whatever He desires.

I think all mans books and sermons are dung if they say that nothing we can do as Christian can help in the Salvation of another if God has allready made the exact outcome and path for anything anyone does?

This is an Armininian view. That is, that man has to do something in order to save himself or others. You have to meet God half way by believing, then He'll do the rest. You are just sick, you need a doctor who is God and He'll make you well. When all is said and done it comes down to man's decision to choose, to work, to save himself. If he doesn't he is lost.

The Calvinistic approach, is you are totally dead in sin. Therefore, you have absolutely no ability to help yourself or others to life. Your salvation is totally dependent on the resurrecting power of God. When all is said and done, all glory goes to God because the grace he has shown you.

I see that some go beyond predestination. To a place that really says it doesn't matter what we do? If we go on sinning until death what does it really matter? If we are one of his chosen, it doesn't matter? If we sin until death and we are just of the people He created to be damned, then what does it really matter?

This is known as Hyper-Calvinism, the other side of the spectrum. Again an erroneous view for obvious reasons.

I highly recommend to study this further. Read resources from both sides, then make your decision on whether it is garbage or not. If you purchase any resources from a Calvary Chapel book store they are biased to favor Arminian theology. I can give you some stuff to read that is on the net if you like.

When John Calvin brought his religion to a small town of around 15000, he pretty much convinced the local hierarchy to adopt his teachings as the official town religion. Anyone who denounced this new religion was summarily tortured, and/or murdered. Actual numbers of dead range from around 300 to several thousand.

Oops. Doesn't sound like my kinda religion. You people ought to watch what you are believing in.

MGR not sounding so bad after all?

seeking_truth_1 · June 4, 2010

Still waiting for answers to your obvious mis-handling of Scripture, your contradictions and your baseless claims

June 4, 2010

No MGR still sounds pretty bad. Why would you think that one man beig wrog would make MGR any less wrong. Does Charles Manson make Richard Ramirez any less heinous. Don't forget what what MGR wrote and pursued in his life, would you invite an active pedophile to you family's dinner table if he could write and sign nice songs? MGR was absolutley an active pedophile, no other excuse washes.

Nick Shubin · June 4, 2010

Why do so many followers dig down deeper than The Word of God unto the books written by the hand of man?

Because some books are written by gifted individuals that are capable to teach others the timeless truths that are found in scripture. Neither Calvin nor Arminius claimed their writings to supersede or replace scripture like MGR.

Is Calvanism and Arminisism (Spelling) really from God? How can they both be from God when they do not go hand in hand?

Calvinism is a summery of how salvation occurs according to what is written in scripture. There are no added fillers or preservatives. Arminianism is short sighted and in the end glorifies man, not God. It is one of the extreme sides to take, with Hyper-Calvinism being the other extreme view. Calvinism is the only "middle of the road" view properly explaining the total work of salvation based on scripture. The others are totally wrong.

Where does God command us to read all these man-made creeds and garbage of man? This is what causes so much un-needed grief and separation. Does not Jesus just simply give us instructions to go out and preach the Gospel? And to the ones that do not want to exept it, do shake off the dust?

This is a silly question. God commands to seek Him, to learn about Him, and to make sure that what is said is in accordance with His Word. How will anyone know what others believe without reading a creed, confession of faith, or their writings? How do you know what your church believes?

In regards to the "unneeded grief", please take a look see at 1 Cor 11:18-19. Apostle Paul says divisions and factions are needed so that those who are genuine may be recognized. So these topics of discussion and study are good for the church.

Well, my understanding is that a person that has a hard heart may shut the Truth out. Then the next time that persons heart may be a bit softer and open to hear the Truth? Or the next time, The Gospel may be presented in a way that cuts to The Heart? Or The person may accept The Truth when it was presented Through The Grace of God? Should we only try once and then give up as they may be damned? Why shoule we even try? Why does it really matter if God has His chosen and His damned?

God does the convicting and saving; therefore, it is not how the message is presented. God does not rely on smooth or persuasive speech to get the job done. Nevertheless, we are to preach, for that is commanded. God has chosen the foolishness of preaching to be the means of bringing the chosen to faith by hearing the Gospel message.

I was reading something about God's "chosen" and it tore my heart apart. If God created only some to be saved then this would mean He literally created some just so He can damn them to hell? Is this a loving and just God that would do such a thing?

Yes, God is JUST. everyone of us deserves Hell because we are sinners. God owes you nothing. God is God, so he can do whatever He desires.

I think all mans books and sermons are dung if they say that nothing we can do as Christian can help in the Salvation of another if God has allready made the exact outcome and path for anything anyone does?

This is an Armininian view. That is, that man has to do something in order to save himself or others. You have to meet God half way by believing, then He'll do the rest. You are just sick, you need a doctor who is God and He'll make you well. When all is said and done it comes down to man's decision to choose, to work, to save himself. If he doesn't he is lost.

The Calvinistic approach, is you are totally dead in sin. Therefore, you have absolutely no ability to help yourself or others to life. Your salvation is totally dependent on the resurrecting power of God. When all is said and done, all glory goes to God because the grace he has shown you.

I see that some go beyond predestination. To a place that really says it doesn't matter what we do? If we go on sinning until death what does it really matter? If we are one of his chosen, it doesn't matter? If we sin until death and we are just of the people He created to be damned, then what does it really matter?

This is known as Hyper-Calvinism, the other side of the spectrum. Again an erroneous view for obvious reasons.

I highly recommend to study this further. Read resources from both sides, then make your decision on whether it is garbage or not. If you purchase any resources from a Calvary Chapel book store they are biased to favor Arminian theology. I can give you some stuff to read that is on the net if you like.

When John Calvin brought his religion to a small town of around 15000, he pretty much convinced the local hierarchy to adopt his teachings as the official town religion. Anyone who denounced this new religion was summarily tortured, and/or murdered. Actual numbers of dead range from around 300 to several thousand.

Oops. Doesn't sound like my kinda religion. You people ought to watch what you are believing in.

MGR not sounding so bad after all?

If one reads the basic history of John Calvin, you will see that it is true, that he was responsible for the deaths of a few. Contrast that to the writtings of mgr, who calls out for the deaths of those that don't accept him, and the reward of eternal life for carrying out those murders that he offers.

anakainosis · June 4, 2010

Why do so many followers dig down deeper than The Word of God unto the books written by the hand of man?

Because some books are written by gifted individuals that are capable to teach others the timeless truths that are found in scripture. Neither Calvin nor Arminius claimed their writings to supersede or replace scripture like MGR.

Is Calvanism and Arminisism (Spelling) really from God? How can they both be from God when they do not go hand in hand?

Calvinism is a summery of how salvation occurs according to what is written in scripture. There are no added fillers or preservatives. Arminianism is short sighted and in the end glorifies man, not God. It is one of the extreme sides to take, with Hyper-Calvinism being the other extreme view. Calvinism is the only "middle of the road" view properly explaining the total work of salvation based on scripture. The others are totally wrong.

Where does God command us to read all these man-made creeds and garbage of man? This is what causes so much un-needed grief and separation. Does not Jesus just simply give us instructions to go out and preach the Gospel? And to the ones that do not want to exept it, do shake off the dust?

This is a silly question. God commands to seek Him, to learn about Him, and to make sure that what is said is in accordance with His Word. How will anyone know what others believe without reading a creed, confession of faith, or their writings? How do you know what your church believes?

In regards to the "unneeded grief", please take a look see at 1 Cor 11:18-19. Apostle Paul says divisions and factions are needed so that those who are genuine may be recognized. So these topics of discussion and study are good for the church.

Well, my understanding is that a person that has a hard heart may shut the Truth out. Then the next time that persons heart may be a bit softer and open to hear the Truth? Or the next time, The Gospel may be presented in a way that cuts to The Heart? Or The person may accept The Truth when it was presented Through The Grace of God? Should we only try once and then give up as they may be damned? Why shoule we even try? Why does it really matter if God has His chosen and His damned?

God does the convicting and saving; therefore, it is not how the message is presented. God does not rely on smooth or persuasive speech to get the job done. Nevertheless, we are to preach, for that is commanded. God has chosen the foolishness of preaching to be the means of bringing the chosen to faith by hearing the Gospel message.

I was reading something about God's "chosen" and it tore my heart apart. If God created only some to be saved then this would mean He literally created some just so He can damn them to hell? Is this a loving and just God that would do such a thing?

Yes, God is JUST. everyone of us deserves Hell because we are sinners. God owes you nothing. God is God, so he can do whatever He desires.

I think all mans books and sermons are dung if they say that nothing we can do as Christian can help in the Salvation of another if God has allready made the exact outcome and path for anything anyone does?

This is an Armininian view. That is, that man has to do something in order to save himself or others. You have to meet God half way by believing, then He'll do the rest. You are just sick, you need a doctor who is God and He'll make you well. When all is said and done it comes down to man's decision to choose, to work, to save himself. If he doesn't he is lost.

The Calvinistic approach, is you are totally dead in sin. Therefore, you have absolutely no ability to help yourself or others to life. Your salvation is totally dependent on the resurrecting power of God. When all is said and done, all glory goes to God because the grace he has shown you.

I see that some go beyond predestination. To a place that really says it doesn't matter what we do? If we go on sinning until death what does it really matter? If we are one of his chosen, it doesn't matter? If we sin until death and we are just of the people He created to be damned, then what does it really matter?

This is known as Hyper-Calvinism, the other side of the spectrum. Again an erroneous view for obvious reasons.

I highly recommend to study this further. Read resources from both sides, then make your decision on whether it is garbage or not. If you purchase any resources from a Calvary Chapel book store they are biased to favor Arminian theology. I can give you some stuff to read that is on the net if you like.

When John Calvin brought his religion to a small town of around 15000, he pretty much convinced the local hierarchy to adopt his teachings as the official town religion. Anyone who denounced this new religion was summarily tortured, and/or murdered. Actual numbers of dead range from around 300 to several thousand.

Oops. Doesn't sound like my kinda religion. You people ought to watch what you are believing in.

MGR not sounding so bad after all?

If one reads the basic history of John Calvin, you will see that it is true, that he was responsible for the deaths of a few. Contrast that to the writtings of mgr, who calls out for the deaths of those that don't accept him, and the reward of eternal life for carrying out those murders that he offers.

yes, how unfortunate.

June 5, 2010

But let's get back to Pauls question, which i think is a good one. Does it really matter?

People rail against molokanism, yet, within mainstream christianity, you see one denomination pit itself against another. Who is right? Who is wrong? I think that's the reason that we study. To try to learn the attributes of God, that in doing so, we equip ouselves with the truth, and that we would be better able to tell a forgery, or a falsehood.

All of this banter about calvinism, hyper calvinism, armanianism etc... Who am i to think that i know the mind of God? Who am i to make judgement on who is saved, or who isn't? Often what i see with those that follow hyper calvinism, is a yay for me, boo for you attitude. Why does Apostle Paul warn us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? I think it's so we don't become so full of ourselves.

I don't beging to think that i have the answers, i'm just throwing out some thoughts.

I was praying about this today and how to respond and to see this Post by Brother Nick, The Holy Spirit answered through Nicks very Words!

For myself, I don't want to call myself a "list" Christian. Meaning, I will not put myself as following this man's creed or that man's creed.

We can follow a man, that follows a man that follows Christ. Where will that lead us?

A time can come when years from now people can look into posts on here and slowly put things together and put a "creed" together and again it's just from man with help from the Holy Spirit but in sinful flesh. And then more "isms" are created etc.. etc.. God speaks to us all directly in some way or another.

The Holy Spirit is Our Teacher. There is a lot of Work to do and I think the "isms" really just put a barrier or an obstacle.

Paul W. Orloff

We can follow a man, that follows a man that follows Christ. Where will that lead us?

Christ.

seeking_truth_1 · June 5, 2010

You keep posting and adding more baseless opinions when you cannot address your other inconsistencies

Were still waiting

June 5, 2010

We can follow a man, that follows a man that follows Christ. Where will that lead us?

Christ.

Therein lies the problem, MGR didn't follow Christ, he mentioned his name a few times, but his life and actions show no evidence of following Christ's example, quite the contrary actually. Can you imagine Christ ordering Peter and James to kill Judas? And you can forget Christ demanding multiple child brides and having his followers sing songs while they made love. These things are 180 degrees removed from Christ, they are the opposite of his teachings and examples, anyone claiming to come in the name of Christ and doing these things, never knew him at all, or worse knows better but comes in the name of Satan to mislead others.

June 5, 2010

We can follow a man, that follows a man that follows Christ. Where will that lead us?

Christ.

Therein lies the problem, MGR didn't follow Christ, he mentioned his name a few times, but his life and actions show no evidence of following Christ's example, quite the contrary actually. Can you imagine Christ ordering Peter and James to kill Judas? And you can forget Christ demanding multiple child brides and having his followers sing songs while they made love. These things are 180 degrees removed from Christ, they are the opposite of his teachings and examples, anyone claiming to come in the name of Christ and doing these things, never knew him at all, or worse knows better but comes in the name of Satan to mislead others.

Even if what you said about MGR was true, which it is not, it would not be any better than the Calvinism teachings some of you follow, and maybe without even knowing it. Read up on the guy. Hundreds of innocent people were killed and tortured in the name of Christ when Calvin was alive....just because they wouldn't partake of his teachings.

Calviniaianansm this, blah blah yada yada.

The problem is that some of you don't really even know what you're talking about, but you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so who cares?

seeking_truth_1 · June 5, 2010

What an idiotic argument

They said NOTHING about Calvinism

Have you ever opened a Bible?

Do you even own a Bible?

What does the Bible teach about how Salvation is Secured & who Jesus Is?

Compare that to the writings of mgr and how he viewed himself as "messiah" and "savior" LITERALLY

While you're here why cant you explain your CONTRADICTIONS, mis-handling of Scripture and all of your other BASELESS retorts?

Obviously you are suffering from Spiritual Blindness but why persist?

You have been shown the Truth time and again and you continue to harden your heart

At some point there will be no recourse for you

Remember this conversation when you stand before the Lord and you try and explain about mgr and how you "worked" your way to Heaven

We can follow a man, that follows a man that follows Christ. Where will that lead us?

Christ.

Therein lies the problem, MGR didn't follow Christ, he mentioned his name a few times, but his life and actions show no evidence of following Christ's example, quite the contrary actually. Can you imagine Christ ordering Peter and James to kill Judas? And you can forget Christ demanding multiple child brides and having his followers sing songs while they made love. These things are 180 degrees removed from Christ, they are the opposite of his teachings and examples, anyone claiming to come in the name of Christ and doing these things, never knew him at all, or worse knows better but comes in the name of Satan to mislead others.

Even if what you said about MGR was true, which it is not, it would not be any better than the Calvinism teachings some of you follow, and maybe without even knowing it. Read up on the guy. Hundreds of innocent people were killed and tortured in the name of Christ when Calvin was alive....just because they wouldn't partake of his teachings.

Calviniaianansm this, blah blah yada yada.

The problem is that some of you don't really even know what you're talking about, but you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so who cares?

seeking_truth_1 · June 7, 2010

Was I too harsh?

OR

Did I call it like it is and there's not a nonsensical retort?

lastinline · June 7, 2010

Even if what you said about MGR was true, which it is not, it would not be any better than the Calvinism teachings some of you follow, and maybe without even knowing it. Read up on the guy. Hundreds of innocent people were killed and tortured in the name of Christ when Calvin was alive....just because they wouldn't partake of his teachings.

Calviniaianansm this, blah blah yada yada.

The problem is that some of you don't really even know what you're talking about, but you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so who cares?

Our beloved "truther" sounds irily similar to a reaction to Apostle Stephen's proclamations and I believe if our beloved "truther" had the authority he/she would react EXACTLY the same way!

Acts: 7: 54 When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. NKJV

Деяния Апостолов 7: 54 Слушая сие, они рвались сердцами своими и скрежетали на него зубами.

lastinline (& not afraid of the Truth)

seeking_truth_1 · June 12, 2010

No. 10 - "Jesus Christ is the answer for those who want salvation"

Sounds good on the surface yet you deny the deity of Jesus

How can just a man live a substitutionary perfect life?

This just doesn't make any sense from a Biblical standpoint

Boy your list is sure getting long...

Read it again

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1 NKJV)

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14 NKJV)

I'm sure you'll come back with "NO NO NO... NO It's Not...You don't Understand" blah blah blah and then I'll ask you to explain it...You won't and then you'll make some willfully ignorant comment and then I'll add this one to the list

Then I'll come back with

"Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. Acts 20:28

and ask how does a Spirit have blood too?

You say "no no you are a stupid head" blah blah blah and I'll add that one to the list

Then I cite the following passages from the book of Revelation (no S)

8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." (Revelation 1:8)

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,

11 saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea." (Revelation 1:10-11)

17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, "Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.

18 "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. (Revelation 1:17-18)

And I'll ask when did God die?

Then you'll say.. "no...you are wrong...you wanna be molokan" blah blah blah and then I'll add this one to the list

Hopefully I saved you some time

seeking_truth_1 · June 20, 2010

They are all right here...

You CANNOT explain because you, deep down inside, know you would have to admit your are wrong and your pride prevents that

Your failed religion of men is garbage and certainly does not stand up when compared to Scripture so you are left with nothing

You would rather cling to a lie than accept Biblical Truth

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

seeking_truth_1 · June 20, 2010

No. 11 - Please explain this verse

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.” (1Timothy 3:16 NKJV)

June 23, 2010

Yet another reason why you can't possibly have a relationship with Christ. You cannot enter into His new covenant unless you follow Christ's new obryadi...

You cannot be in to covenants at the same time. You must do away with one to enter into the other. I can quote you the scripture, but I'll let you waste the time and google it, because the proverbial ball is in your court.

seeking_truth_1 · June 23, 2010

Well there little thumper, you have nothing yet again

You cannot explain ANYTHING but you sure are good at making veiled references

There's no "new" ANYTHING

No "new spirit", "new pathway", "new deal", "new and improved"

That's the teachings of a cult, but you are too deceived to grasp that concept

I guess if you cannot put up...

Yet another reason why you can't possibly have a relationship with Christ. You cannot enter into His new covenant unless you follow Christ's new obryadi...

You cannot be in to covenants at the same time. You must do away with one to enter into the other. I can quote you the scripture, but I'll let you waste the time and google it, because the proverbial ball is in your court.

seeking_truth_1 · May 29, 2011

Still looking for clarification from thumpa-thump-thump

The list of answered questions grows and yet our little thumper can only I'm not telling or introduce more non-sense out of a defiled understanding

Here they are:

No. 1 - True Church

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

There's an OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION in your statements

Which is it?

You had posted regarding my alleged spreading of "heresy" but you neglected to address this thread

You said:

"I never said these passages were about a true church"

Then you said:

"Where two or three members are gathered in my name.

That IS a direct reference to Matthew 18

Please...

That's the true church right there. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does, you know it."

Seems to me not only are you lying but you're directly contradicting yourself

What is this "true church right there"?

No. 2 - "New Israel"

You say "This New Israel is talked about in the bible"

Where is this "new Israel" idea found in the Bible?

Please cite SPECIFIC instances Chapter and Verse

Tsk tsk tsk....

All this demeaning talk of "New Israelites," is pointless, unless A) you do not think you'll ever be a part of it and want to, or B)you simply enjoy mocking other people AND you really do not understand the meaning of the term "New Israelite."

Which is it? I'll answer for you, since your minds are in the gutter over sexual immorality and slander of others when you should worry about the defilement of your own marital beds.

A New Israelite is simply a person who takes part in the reformation of oneself and some to understanding of Christ, repents and wishes to be a part of Christ's Kingdom that God promised to Him. This New Israel is talked about in the bible, and is not made up simply of Jews, but anyone worshiping God in spirit and truth, believing in Christ resurrected, and accepting the spirit of prophecy and wanting salvation.

No. 3 - Heresy

You stated I was spreading "heresy"

Please cite SPECIFIC instances where I did so and provide Biblical basis for your assertions

Seeking. I could prove you wrong all day long, and I could be a poet, but your wouldn't know it, but the truth of the matter is you would simply deny iy all and we'd never get anywhere...just like we already don't.

What would the point be? I could begin all the way in Genesis and end up in Spirit and Life book and physically show you understandings of things you never would have though possible, and yet there they are, staring you in the face, and you'd still deny everything...EVEN WITH PROOF.

Discussing anything with you just seems like a waste of time. All you do is Jesus this, and Jesus that. You don't understand and don't want to understand.

Grow up.

No. 4 - Mishandling Matthew 18

You attempt to make a case for a minimum number of people for this "true church" non-sense

The passage in Matthew 18 has NOTHING to do with a minimum number of people for "church"

It has EVERYTHING to do with handling an errant Brother in the Lord

See here

Matthew 18

I haven't mishandled Matthew 18. What part of "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst," don't you understand? It doesn't matter which context you derive it. The fact is, it states that God is always in our midst. You can't handle it. So, you nitpick. You are no better than a fly on a wound...constantly biting and nipping at every available weak spot, until you finally cause an infection. Only with you, the infection is disbelief in God.

seeking_truth_1 · May 29, 2011

Really?

If you we out actively sharing your faith in your community and inviting "whosoever" (Acts 2:21) there should be some non-russians in the mix

34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.

35 "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. (Acts 10:34-35)

Oh, that's right...the cult of molokanism DOESN'T share their faith with "ne-nash"

8 ¶ If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well;

9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. (James 2:8 - 10)

Probably a good idea seeing as it's a "death sentence" for all who are part of the lie

To the Christians still part of the cult of molokanism: if you are within the cult as "church" and not actively involved in the ministry aspects of reaching those in the cult, you are deceived.

If you practice the ways of the cult, you too are part of the lie.

Never said there weren't black Christians. Just because they aren't in a Molokan church means absolutely nothing.

It seems like you are having hangups over individual churches and their makeup.

Just because a church is only made up of Molokans, or just black people, or only native indians, does not have anything to do with salvation...theirs or anyone elses. The only thing that matters is whether they worship in Spirit and Truth.

Grow up.

seeking_truth_1 · December 15, 2012

Same game by our little cult members but just a different day

"i'm not telling" is the mantra but why is that?

Why is it difficult to explain their dogmatic cult beliefs unless they will

1) not stand up to scrutiny in the light of The Bible or

2) out little cult memebrs really do not know because they have been brainwashed to repeat the cult story without question

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