Yummy Brownies

[stevepiv 0]

As you are reading this, think about the poison from the spirit & life book. Is there a few ingredients contrary to the Word of God? Is it another gospel? Is another king being glorified in that book? Does a man elevate himself to god and judge?

 

 

 

Here's the story:

 

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Brownies with a Difference!

 

Many parents are hard pressed to explain to their youth why some music, movies, books, and magazines are not acceptable material for them to bring into the home or to listen to or see.

One parent came up with an original idea that is hard to refute. The father listened to all the reasons his children gave for wanting to see a particular PG-13 movie. It had their favorite actors. Everyone else was seeing it. Even church members said it was great. It was only rated PG-13 because of the suggestion of sex--they never really showed it. The language was pretty good--the Lord's name was only used in vain three times in the whole movie.

 

The teens did admit there was a scene where a building and a bunch of people were blown up, but the violence was just the normal stuff. It wasn't too bad. And, even if there were a few minor things, the special effects were fabulous and the plot was action packed.

 

However, even with all the justifications the teens made for the PG-13 rating, the father still wouldn't give in. He didn't even give his children a satisfactory explanation for saying, "No." He just said, "No!"

 

A little later on that evening the father asked his teens if they would like some brownies he had baked. He explained that he'd taken the family's favorite recipe and added a little something new. The children asked what it was.

 

The father calmly replied that he had added dog poop. However, he quickly assured them, it was only a little bit. All other ingredients were gourmet quality and he had taken great care to bake the brownies at the precise temperature for the exact time. He was sure the brownies would be superb.

Even with their father's promise that the brownies were of almost perfect quality, the teens would not take any. The father acted surprised. After all, it was only one small part that was causing them to be so stubborn. He was certain they would hardly notice it. Still the teens held firm and would not try the brownies.

 

The father then told his children how the movie they wanted to see was just like the brownies. Our minds lead us into believing that just a little bit of evil won't matter. But, the truth is even a little bit of poop makes the difference between a great treat and something disgusting and totally unacceptable.

 

The father went on to explain that even though the movie industry would have us believe that most of today's movies are acceptable fare for adults and youth, they are not.

Now, when this father's children want to see something that is of questionable material, the father merely asks them if they would like some of his special dog poop brownies. That closes the subject.

 

 

Note: This is a good story to tell your children, since it puts sin into its proper perspective. I presented this story with the appropriate props (brownies and the "difference" - securely sealed in a plastic zip-lock bag) to our Children's Sunday School Class. Needless to say, it made a big impression. They were also somewhat leery of eating the brownies afterward, and wouldn't do so until I assured them many times that the brownies did not have the additional ingredient. Bon appetite!

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[seeking_truth_1 0]

My wife periodically relates a story from a long time ago

 

A gentleman brought a cake to the UMCA and asked who wanted a piece

 

Of course just about everyone did

 

They cut into the cake and it was full of dirty/oily rags

 

It looked appealing on the outside, but the outer appearance masked what was on the inside

 

Much like the cult of molokanism today

 

You'll hear "Christian this" and "Christian that" but, much like our latest proud little chest thumper (all all those before), their words deny their profession

 

The s&l is "just a little dog poop" that should make any Bible based Christian not want ANYTHING to do with it

[Guest jkornoff]

Hear a a few verses that come to mind. Dealing with cooking, God's Word says.

1 Corinthians 5

 

6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

 

7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

 

 

8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

Then out of Galatians 5

 

1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

 

2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

 

3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

 

4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

 

6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

 

7Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

 

8This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

 

9A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

 

 

May we pray to get these leavening things out of our lives. May God purge the deep rooted sins from us to conform us to His son, the Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. I enjoy being in bondage to the One who redeemed me, what freedom and joy I have in Christ. Praise ye the Lord!

[lastinline 0]

May we pray to get these leavening things out of our lives. May God purge the deep rooted sins from us to conform us to His son, the Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. I enjoy being in bondage to the One who redeemed me, what freedom and joy I have in Christ. Praise ye the Lord!

 

That is a pretty great way of saying that you are a Bondservent and/or Slave to the Master of the universe. What a great Master you serve, the One who becomes all encompassing in each and every aspect of the Bondservents life.

 

lastinline (with an eye on the prize)

[stevepiv 0]

Here's an analogy I have for Christians that are in the Molokan Church and when a song is sung praising king of spirits think about this:

 

"God has given a husband and wife an act of the most intimate and closeness and Love that 2 people can share here on Earth. It is such a serious and private and intimate matter, this is not something we take lightly. Husband and Wife keep this place in their life free from any thing that would defile this act. Because if this act is defiled, it's not good."

 

"Now, when we Worship God and Pray to Him and Commune with Him, as long as we are in the body this is the closest intimacy we will have with Him, until we are in His presence in Heaven. Praying to God, speaking to Him is intimate and we should keep this intimacy clean, free from any defilement."

 

"With these 2 examples, how would it sound for a Husband to tell his Wife "Honey, I want to share this intimacy together with you & someone else." "I know that this other lady is not above you, or equal to you, nor am I more pleased with her. It wouldn't be a big deal, because you are the one that matters to me, you cook, clean, wash dishes and do all the hard work, but this other girl there's something about her."

 

"Any Wife would be APPALLED and DISGUSTED by this, and any Husband to ask this of his wife is guilty of many things wrong."

 

"As Christians in the Molokan Church, every time a song is sung glorifying man, or a song sung from the s&l, or spoken from the s&l or a prayer from the s&l... we are inviting someone else into the Intimacy with The Lord." "Siliently we are agreeing with the defilement of worship and intimacy with our Lord Jesus Christ and in a sense telling Jesus, you are still my Lord, my Savior, Maxim is not above you or equal to you, I still need you to get into heaven..."

 

[stevepiv 0]

 

Another lie Pg 476 s&l:

 

"2. And we all unite ourselves under the guidance of the Spirit of truth. 3. For in this Spirit we must reign triumphantly with Christ upon the good land for a thousand years and also together with His annointed, Maxim Havrilovich. 4. Who for the victory he gained over the beast is placed personally over us by Christ Himself, as the principal worldwide king. 5. And, for this reason every believer of the Spirit of truth must quickly and before all accept him, our Maxim, as the King personified. 6. And bow down at his feet with gifts that whatever any person sincerely gives from his soul. 7. And for this each will receive a blessing from him to last for ages. Amen, truth, Amen."

 

The Bible disagrees with that, right in the 10 commandments.

 

Exodus 20:3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any raven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

 

Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.

Isaiah 48: 11 For my own sake, for my own sake, I do this. How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another.

 

In the verses above we see God does NOT give glory to another. Yet, in the songbook and s&l this what we find:

 

Song# 221

A new song we are singing

Chorus:

Glory to God, glory to the King

The King of Spirits we are glorifying

For a thousand years with Christ we will reign

To God be Glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

[stevepiv 0]

Bringing this to the top for the adults that may be going to the heresy seminar at the UMCA (United Molokan Cult Association).

 

TEST what they will say with the FULL ACCOUNT OF SCRIPTURE the 66 Books in The Bible.

 

SERIOUSLY.

[Guest breaking my heart]

Bringing this to the top for the adults that may be going to the heresy seminar at the UMCA (United Molokan Cult Association).

 

are you talking about the Kerman UMCA where your wife attended, and her siblings and extended family? how pathetic. you need psychological help. I have never read such inconsiderate statements in my life as these and coming from someone who evolved from a Molokan church.

 

[Guest Guest]

Another lie Pg 476 s&l:

 

"2. And we all unite ourselves under the guidance of the Spirit of truth. 3. For in this Spirit we must reign triumphantly with Christ upon the good land for a thousand years and also together with His annointed, Maxim Havrilovich. 4. Who for the victory he gained over the beast is placed personally over us by Christ Himself, as the principal worldwide king. 5. And, for this reason every believer of the Spirit of truth must quickly and before all accept him, our Maxim, as the King personified. 6. And bow down at his feet with gifts that whatever any person sincerely gives from his soul. 7. And for this each will receive a blessing from him to last for ages. Amen, truth, Amen."

Whoa, I never noticed this part.Where are the brains of our elders, two feet up their heiney?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

What, you don't like being identified with a cult?

Or

Is it the reality someone who had been wholly indoctrinated into the cult and was in line to perpetuate the lies came to a Real and Personal knowledge of Jesus then determined molokanism for what it is...?

 

Where's you "love" "brother"?

 

Does it stop because it's conditional based upon if an individuals keeps the rules of the cult?

 

That's not love, that's bologna (the pork kind)

 

 

 

are you talking about the Kerman UMCA where your wife attended, and her siblings and extended family? how pathetic. you need psychological help. I have never read such inconsiderate statements in my life as these and coming from someone who evolved from a Molokan church.

[LTTBT 0]

My wife periodically relates a story from a long time ago

 

A gentleman brought a cake to the UMCA and asked who wanted a piece

 

Of course just about everyone did

 

They cut into the cake and it was full of dirty/oily rags

 

It looked appealing on the outside, but the outer appearance masked what was on the inside

 

I was there and it was my dad who did that

[Guest Guest]

What, you don't like being identified with a cult?

Or

Is it the reality someone who had been wholly indoctrinated into the cult and was in line to perpetuate the lies came to a Real and Personal knowledge of Jesus then determined molokanism for what it is...?

 

Where's you "love" "brother"?

 

Does it stop because it's conditional based upon if an individuals keeps the rules of the cult?

 

That's not love, that's bologna (the pork kind)

 

The picture you posted is a picture of Beef Bologna, FYI products labeled all beef, can legally have a specified amount of pork snout or pork cheeks ground into the product. With molokans a little bit of evil in their spiritual food must be OK. Are you reading Lastinline?

[stevepiv 0]

My wife periodically relates a story from a long time ago

 

A gentleman brought a cake to the UMCA and asked who wanted a piece

 

Of course just about everyone did

 

They cut into the cake and it was full of dirty/oily rags

 

It looked appealing on the outside, but the outer appearance masked what was on the inside

 

I was there and it was my dad who did that

 

That's a great visual to get everyone's attention.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

are you talking about the Kerman UMCA where your wife attended, and her siblings and extended family? how pathetic. you need psychological help. I have never read such inconsiderate statements in my life as these and coming from someone who evolved from a Molokan church.

You are pleading loyalty to a community in trade for doing God's will. Your complaint about the letter C in the acronym UMCA, you don't think it stands for "Christian" do you? Are you forgetting Rudometkin said he was chosen and anointed by God to the lead the molokans to himself, the god of the world, the King Of Spirits then, contradicts God during his fulfillment of that appointment?….. What's wrong with that scenario?

 

breaking my heart, is their no limit to mindless molokan drivel that flows from the lips of the california valley? Get a grip, jerk!

 

 

[lastinline 0]

Bringing this to the top for the adults that may be going to the heresy seminar at the UMCA (United Molokan Cult Association).

are you talking about the Kerman UMCA where your wife attended, and her siblings and extended family? how pathetic. you need psychological help. I have never read such inconsiderate statements in my life as these and coming from someone who evolved from a Molokan church.

Because of my great admiration and affection that I have developed while watching the tremendous development of Steve in his deep devotion to being totally obedient to his calling as a servant of the Most High God and Saviour of all of mankind. I personally found it very difficult to merely disregard this hateful reaction with this hysterical rant from this devoted follower and obedient servant of who can only be described as Satan himself, as merely bravado? Why? you ask, am I being so harsh to someone who is a merely motivated by a "breaking of my(a) heart"?

 

The reason is that this brings to mind the thoughts that came to me while listening to a local talk-show personality here in Fresno in responding to Gloria Allread after her accusations during a news conference about the illegal alien firing by Meg Whitman. He stated that he had never felt such hatred for anyone until seeing Gloria Allred gleefully try to make her intentions look pure as the driven snow and protector of the down-trodden.

 

lastinline (& seemingly with only a little sense of humor when necessary)

[lastinline 0]

Are you reading Lastinline?

Yes, I'm reading with a truly repentant heart, although, can you please (пожалуйста) consider this scripture where Christ addresses the desires of a legion of demons that had possessed two men who lived among the tombs that were not pleased to be confronted by your Lord.

 

Matthew 8: 29. “Why are you interfering with us, Son of God? Have you come here to torture us before God’s appointed time?” 30 There happened to be a large herd of pigs feeding in the distance. 31 So the demons begged, “If you cast us out, send us into that herd of pigs.”

32 “All right, go!” Jesus commanded them. So the demons came out of the men and entered the pigs, and the whole herd plunged down the steep hillside into the lake and drowned in the water. NLT

 

Матфея 8: 29 И вот, они закричали: что Тебе до нас, Иисус, Сын Божий? пришел Ты сюда прежде времени мучить нас.

30 Вдали же от них паслось большое стадо свиней.

31 И бесы просили Его: если выгонишь нас, то пошли нас в стадо свиней.

32 И Он сказал им: идите. И они, выйдя, пошли в стадо свиное. И вот, всё стадо свиней бросилось с крутизны в море и погибло в воде. RSV

 

lastinline (& with kind of a tin-ear when it comes to Beef Bologna as healthful food)

[Guest Guest]

Yes, I'm reading with a truly repentant heart,

Show Me your works and I will see your Faith, do you still pay dues to a molokan church?

 

[Guest Guest]

Yes, I'm reading with a truly repentant heart,

Show Me your works and I will see your Faith, do you still pay dues to a molokan church?

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food,

16 and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?

17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe — and tremble!

20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?

23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.

24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

James 2:14-26 NKJV

 

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

Yes, I'm reading with a truly repentant heart,

Show Me your works and I will see your Faith, do you still pay dues to a molokan church?

What on earth does paying dues have to do with the works of the Holy Spirit?

 

You are making this statement for one of two reasons.

 

1. You are a bitter old man who wants to see others just as bitter as yourself.

 

2. You are a part of the clark/605 cult church, posing as an ex-molokan, with the intentions of running off any opposition to your heretical beliefs. I know for a fact that there are people from the clark/605 church that are posting anonymously on here, with the sole intention of running off any opposition to their precious belief in MGR and his writings.

 

Either way, you are using evil tactics, rather than the word of God.

 

 

Why don't YOU show us some courage and tell everybody who you are, before you make such cowardly statements.

 

 

Kevin Nazaroff

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

Bringing this to the top for the adults that may be going to the heresy seminar at the UMCA (United Molokan Cult Association).

 

TEST what they will say with the FULL ACCOUNT OF SCRIPTURE the 66 Books in The Bible.

 

SERIOUSLY.

 

Steve,

The UMCA was not founded on the heretical beliefs of MGR.

 

 

There may be some issues with the current UMCA leadership, but that is a leadership issue (or lack of leadership).

But still, the UMCA has generally been a "safe zone", for the most part.

 

 

Clark st. and 605 are cults.

Their belief system is a cult.

 

But there does exist a few safe havens within current day molokanism.

The UMCA, Kern Ave church, San Francisco church, and Siskiyou ave church are a few examples.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Regardless of what ideas things were "founded" on, what is the reality today?

 

If they have the s&l they are not safe...period

The bookstore at the umca sells that garbage...

Why not sell a satanic "bible" too?

 

If they deny Jesus for who He Is, they are not safe

If they deny how Salvation is secured, they are not safe

If they deny the inerrency of Scripture, they are not safe

If they prevent people from attending because of their ethnicity, they are not safe

 

I do not agree with your assertion that certain molokan "churches" are "safe"

 

Bringing this to the top for the adults that may be going to the heresy seminar at the UMCA (United Molokan Cult Association).

 

TEST what they will say with the FULL ACCOUNT OF SCRIPTURE the 66 Books in The Bible.

 

SERIOUSLY.

 

Steve,

The UMCA was not founded on the heretical beliefs of MGR.

 

 

There may be some issues with the current UMCA leadership, but that is a leadership issue (or lack of leadership).

But still, the UMCA has generally been a "safe zone", for the most part.

 

 

Clark st. and 605 are cults.

Their belief system is a cult.

 

But there does exist a few safe havens within current day molokanism.

The UMCA, Kern Ave church, San Francisco church, and Siskiyou ave church are a few examples.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

[Guest Guest]

The UMCA was not founded on the heretical beliefs of MGR.

The UMCA partners with churches that respect the beliefs of MGR, in God's eyes they are the same.

 

There may be some issues with the current UMCA leadership, but that is a leadership issue (or lack of leadership). But still, the UMCA has generally been a "safe zone", for the most part.

"For the most part" you say, their have always been leadership issues, because it was never built on the Rock of Jesus Christ. God will uproot what He did not plant, the UMCA is approaching total financially bankruptcy. This "safe zone" you speak of, partners with the heresies of rudometkin, how can that be safe? Such heresies and their advocates offer spiritual death.

 

Clark st. and 605 are cults. Their belief system is a cult.

Clark St. and 605 are the same, you don't know what you are talking about, they have the same beliefs as your church does, but your church uses more whitewashed rhetoric. The basics are the same, both have separated themselves from God..

 

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

Regardless of what ideas things were "founded" on, what is the reality today?

 

If they have the s&l they are not safe...period

Can you please provide proof that in order to be a "molokan", you need to adhere to the s&l?

Not every molokan accepts the s&l.

Not every church accepts the s&l.

That has been established, and you can't keep ignoring it.

 

 

I have one friend who says that they had to burn all of their copies of the s&l.

If that is what they needed to do, fine....I'm o.k. with that.

 

I just choose not to read that book.

 

If molokanism fell of of the face of this earth, I'm o.k. with that.

If molokanism doesn't go away, I'm o.k. with that also.

 

Some people have decided to blame religion for their anger and bitterness.

I was not given that option by my Lord.

He broke me over my OWN sin, not everybody else's.

 

 

The woman at the well did the same thing.

Jesus confronts her with her sin, and what is her response?

She starts talking about religion and the bitter disputes the Samaritans had in regards to the temple.

 

That is blame-shifting, and that is dangerous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The bookstore at the umca sells that garbage...

Why not sell a satanic "bible" too?

They also sell good, wholesome Christian books, written by biblical sound authors.

 

I have found heretical books at Christian book stores also.

Should I avoid those book stores also?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If they deny Jesus for who He Is, they are not safe

If they deny how Salvation is secured, they are not safe

If they deny the inerrency of Scripture, they are not safe

If they prevent people from attending because of their ethnicity, they are not safe

 

I do not agree with your assertion that certain molokan "churches" are "safe"

There are molokan churches who do not deny any of these.

You don't have to agree with me, but the facts are the facts.

 

Jesus came to establish relationship, not religion.

And you can't fix a back-slidden religion with more religion.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

The UMCA was not founded on the heretical beliefs of MGR.

The UMCA partners with churches that respect the beliefs of MGR, in God's eyes they are the same.

 

There may be some issues with the current UMCA leadership, but that is a leadership issue (or lack of leadership). But still, the UMCA has generally been a "safe zone", for the most part.

"For the most part" you say, their have always been leadership issues, because it was never built on the Rock of Jesus Christ. God will uproot what He did not plant, the UMCA is approaching total financially bankruptcy. This "safe zone" you speak of, partners with the heresies of rudometkin, how can that be safe? Such heresies and their advocates offer spiritual death.

 

Clark st. and 605 are cults. Their belief system is a cult.

Clark St. and 605 are the same, you don't know what you are talking about, they have the same beliefs as your church does, but your church uses more whitewashed rhetoric. The basics are the same, both have separated themselves from God..

 

The U.M.C.A. was a save haven for me and a lot of my friends when we were teenagers.

There was a club we called the "molokan connection".

This was a club that taught us the different aspects of real Christianity.

There was no teachings about maxim.

There was even an outreach to feed the homeless at the Poverello house.

 

I also remember a seminar at the umca that showed a short film produced by a Christian organization.

 

 

BTW, I meant to put a slash in between the clark and 605. I know they are the same.

 

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

[Guest Guest]

What on earth does paying dues have to do with the works of the Holy Spirit?

 

You are making this statement for one of two reasons.

 

1. You are a bitter old man who wants to see others just as bitter as yourself.

 

2. You are a part of the clark/605 cult church, posing as an ex-molokan, with the intentions of running off any opposition to your heretical beliefs. I know for a fact that there are people from the clark/605 church that are posting anonymously on here, with the sole intention of running off any opposition to their precious belief in MGR and his writings.

 

Either way, you are using evil tactics, rather than the word of God.

 

 

Why don't YOU show us some courage and tell everybody who you are, before you make such cowardly statements.

No need for wrongful speculation about my motives, I have outlined a few of them in a general descending order of priority they are not evil.

 

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.

 

And God has given us the task of reconciling people to him.

 

Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

 

Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if you are asked about your Christian hope, always be ready to explain it.

 

So rebuke them as sternly as necessary to make them strong in the faith.

 

Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves.

 

[lastinline 0]

Bringing this to the top for the adults that may be going to the heresy seminar at the UMCA (United Molokan Cult Association).

 

are you talking about the Kerman UMCA where your wife attended, and her siblings and extended family? how pathetic. you need psychological help. I have never read such inconsiderate statements in my life as these and coming from someone who evolved from a Molokan church.

Bringing this to the top for the adults that may be going to the heresy seminar at the UMCA (United Molokan Cult Association).

 

are you talking about the Kerman UMCA where your wife attended, and her siblings and extended family? how pathetic. you need psychological help. I have never read such inconsiderate statements in my life as these and coming from someone who evolved from a Molokan church.

 

Isn't a very nice thing to warn people that their own beliefs will determine their own Eternal Destiny?

I awoke early this morning with the burning question of, "Is there a nice way to inform someone that there really is an eternal hell and that by choosing to promote the tenets of the "new israel" belief system as TRUTH, will result in also choosing to spend eternity there"?

 

Hell is described by Jesus Christ as "the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth," in Matthew 8: 12. Should Jesus have found a nicer way of describing where those who fail to merely acknowledge Him as Lord God and served Him with the proper motivation will spend eternity. Is there a nice way of saying the same to those who seem to gleefully choose to promote the heresy that is "new israel" as TRUTH, are also on their own free will, choosing where they will spend eternity?

 

So is not it true that the decision is ours and ours alone to decide where we want to spend eternity?

 

Swiss Cheese is full of holes and there are those that seem to insinuate that any thought of the Sovereignty of the Holy Scriptures as the final Word on all things concerning God's complete desires for all of mankind is also full of holes. Then there are those who would rather choose to boldly decide to state categorically that the "new israel" belief system is full of holes and a complete heresy of hatred for the Truths that are given to us in the Holy Bible.

 

Also, is this seemingly broken hearted person, by telling Steve that "you need psychological help" warning us in nice way that it is insane and inconsiderate to not accept the Cultist teachings of the s&l?

 

Furthermore:

 

Joshua 24: 15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served NKJV

 

Иисус Навин 24: 15 Если же не угодно вам служить Господу, то изберите себе ныне , кому служить, богам ли, которым служили отцы ваши, RUSV

 

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Here is where I draw the line

 

You cannot commingle Truth and lies

 

I agree that not everyone accepts the s&l

 

As to every "church", if the s&l is there they cannot be a Christian Church.

 

How can they allow a blatant lie to be mixed with God's Truth... It cannot work

 

Even if not everyone accepts the s&l, where is the evidence in action?

 

Where are the outreaches to the surrounding community inviting the "ne-nash" to come and worship on Sunday? (Acts 1:8)

 

Where is the regular teaching of God's Word? (Acts 2:42)

 

It doesn't exist

 

Why are there still "ne-nash"?

 

You can say all you want, but where is the evidence of Christianity from the "leadership"?

 

You say "Can you please provide proof that in order to be a "molokan", you need to adhere to the s&l?"

 

I ask you what is a molokan?

 

As far as I can see it is not a Church but has become a socio-cultural group who say they are Christians yet there is no wholesale evidence of that at the "church" level

 

That is why all of your references to your positive molokan experience are in the past tense

 

Regardless of what ideas things were "founded" on, what is the reality today?

 

If they have the s&l they are not safe...period

Can you please provide proof that in order to be a "molokan", you need to adhere to the s&l?

Not every molokan accepts the s&l.

Not every church accepts the s&l.

That has been established, and you can't keep ignoring it.

 

 

I have one friend who says that they had to burn all of their copies of the s&l.

If that is what they needed to do, fine....I'm o.k. with that.

 

I just choose not to read that book.

 

If molokanism fell of of the face of this earth, I'm o.k. with that.

If molokanism doesn't go away, I'm o.k. with that also.

 

Some people have decided to blame religion for their anger and bitterness.

I was not given that option by my Lord.

He broke me over my OWN sin, not everybody else's.

 

 

The woman at the well did the same thing.

Jesus confronts her with her sin, and what is her response?

She starts talking about religion and the bitter disputes the Samaritans had in regards to the temple.

 

That is blame-shifting, and that is dangerous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The bookstore at the umca sells that garbage...

Why not sell a satanic "bible" too?

They also sell good, wholesome Christian books, written by biblical sound authors.

 

I have found heretical books at Christian book stores also.

Should I avoid those book stores also?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If they deny Jesus for who He Is, they are not safe

If they deny how Salvation is secured, they are not safe

If they deny the inerrency of Scripture, they are not safe

If they prevent people from attending because of their ethnicity, they are not safe

 

I do not agree with your assertion that certain molokan "churches" are "safe"

There are molokan churches who do not deny any of these.

You don't have to agree with me, but the facts are the facts.

 

Jesus came to establish relationship, not religion.

And you can't fix a back-slidden religion with more religion.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

[Guest Guest]

The UMCA was not founded on the heretical beliefs of MGR.

The UMCA partners with churches that respect the beliefs of MGR, in God's eyes they are the same.

 

There may be some issues with the current UMCA leadership, but that is a leadership issue (or lack of leadership). But still, the UMCA has generally been a "safe zone", for the most part.

"For the most part" you say, their have always been leadership issues, because it was never built on the Rock of Jesus Christ. God will uproot what He did not plant, the UMCA is approaching total financially bankruptcy. This "safe zone" you speak of, partners with the heresies of rudometkin, how can that be safe? Such heresies and their advocates offer spiritual death.

 

Clark st. and 605 are cults. Their belief system is a cult.

Clark St. and 605 are the same, you don't know what you are talking about, they have the same beliefs as your church does, but your church uses more whitewashed rhetoric. The basics are the same, both have separated themselves from God..

 

The U.M.C.A. was a save haven for me and a lot of my friends when we were teenagers.

There was a club we called the "molokan connection".

This was a club that taught us the different aspects of real Christianity.

There was no teachings about maxim.

There was even an outreach to feed the homeless at the Poverello house.

 

I also remember a seminar at the umca that showed a short film produced by a Christian organization.

 

 

BTW, I meant to put a slash in between the clark and 605. I know they are the same.

 

 

Kevin Nazaroff

It's interesting how you worded everything in the past tense, leadership has changed and you are in bondage to molokan liturgy that originated from the mind of a criminal, taking part, is being a part Scripture says.

 

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Yes, I'm reading with a truly repentant heart,

Show Me your works and I will see your Faith, do you still pay dues to a molokan church?

My "truly repentant heart" requires me to follow these presepts in distributing HIS funds in this manner.

 

2nd Corinthians 9: 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. NKJV

 

2-е Коринфянам 9:7 Каждый [уделяй] по расположению сердца, не с огорчением и не с принуждением; ибо доброхотно дающего любит Бог. RSV

 

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[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

What on earth does paying dues have to do with the works of the Holy Spirit?

 

You are making this statement for one of two reasons.

 

1. You are a bitter old man who wants to see others just as bitter as yourself.

 

2. You are a part of the clark/605 cult church, posing as an ex-molokan, with the intentions of running off any opposition to your heretical beliefs. I know for a fact that there are people from the clark/605 church that are posting anonymously on here, with the sole intention of running off any opposition to their precious belief in MGR and his writings.

 

Either way, you are using evil tactics, rather than the word of God.

 

 

Why don't YOU show us some courage and tell everybody who you are, before you make such cowardly statements.

No need for wrongful speculation about my motives, I have outlined a few of them in a general descending order of priority they are not evil.

 

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.

 

And God has given us the task of reconciling people to him.

 

Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

 

Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if you are asked about your Christian hope, always be ready to explain it.

 

So rebuke them as sternly as necessary to make them strong in the faith.

 

Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves.

This is a good list of biblical principles.

But I am wondering why you would list the command to love God, but leave out the commandment to love thy neighbor?

 

Jesus cited both as commandments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I recognize all of them as biblical except one of them. (At least, in the way you pulled it out of context.)

So rebuke them as sternly as necessary to make them strong in the faith.

Where is this in scripture?

I do agree that to rebuke is biblical, but to rebuke without compassion is just an outlet of your own anger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, you mention nothing of the love, mercy and compassion of our Lord Jesus.

Again, to rebuke without compassion is just an outlet of your own anger.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

[Guest Guest]

I recognize all of them as biblical except one of them. (At least, in the way you pulled it out of context.)

So rebuke them as sternly as necessary to make them strong in the faith.

Where is this in scripture? I do agree that to rebuke is biblical, but to rebuke without compassion is just an outlet of your own anger.

Titus 1:13, Without reading the verses, why are you so quick to judge that it is out of context? Correction is a form of compassion, did your child ever run into the street? You should do an anger check. FYI, Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the Lord avenges; The Lord avenges and is furious. The Lord will take vengeance on His adversaries, And He reserves wrath for His enemies; NKJV......and God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

 

Also, you mention nothing of the love, mercy and compassion of our Lord Jesus.

I said my list was general and I did mention giving just a few motives. We all know your wife is stronger than you and she will never let you leave the molokan church, it's obvious you love her more than Jesus, He is not first in your life. I believe not being able to completely leave is the reason you are so angry and vacillate between supporting Christianity and Khlystism, you have each foot in a different boat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Yes, I'm reading with a truly repentant heart,

Show Me your works and I will see your Faith, do you still pay dues to a molokan church?

My "truly repentant heart" requires me to follow these presepts in distributing HIS funds in this manner.

 

2nd Corinthians 9: 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. NKJV

 

lastinline (& not wasting any time & any of HIS money)

Salvation can not be purchased with money. Almost a contextual answer, nice try.

 

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1 ¶ I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:

2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. (1 Timothy 4:1-4)

 

23 ¶ In those days I also saw Jews who had married women of Ashdod, Ammon, and Moab.

24 And half of their children spoke the language of Ashdod, and could not speak the language of Judah, but spoke according to the language of one or the other people.

25 So I contended with them and cursed them, struck some of them and pulled out their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, "You shall not give your daughters as wives to their sons, nor take their daughters for your sons or yourselves. (Nehemiah 13:23-25)

 

22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;

23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh. (Jude 1:22-23)

 

Do notice there is a distinction

 

With one, handle it this way - If not try the other way

 

Some you can have compassion with and others there no way around being very blunt especially the religious person who thinks they have it all figured out

 

This is especially true of those who have been indoctrinated into a cult like molokanism

 

 

What on earth does paying dues have to do with the works of the Holy Spirit?

 

You are making this statement for one of two reasons.

 

1. You are a bitter old man who wants to see others just as bitter as yourself.

 

2. You are a part of the clark/605 cult church, posing as an ex-molokan, with the intentions of running off any opposition to your heretical beliefs. I know for a fact that there are people from the clark/605 church that are posting anonymously on here, with the sole intention of running off any opposition to their precious belief in MGR and his writings.

 

Either way, you are using evil tactics, rather than the word of God.

 

 

Why don't YOU show us some courage and tell everybody who you are, before you make such cowardly statements.

No need for wrongful speculation about my motives, I have outlined a few of them in a general descending order of priority they are not evil.

 

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.

 

And God has given us the task of reconciling people to him.

 

Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

 

Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if you are asked about your Christian hope, always be ready to explain it.

 

So rebuke them as sternly as necessary to make them strong in the faith.

 

Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves.

This is a good list of biblical principles.

But I am wondering why you would list the command to love God, but leave out the commandment to love thy neighbor?

 

Jesus cited both as commandments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I recognize all of them as biblical except one of them. (At least, in the way you pulled it out of context.)

So rebuke them as sternly as necessary to make them strong in the faith.

Where is this in scripture?

I do agree that to rebuke is biblical, but to rebuke without compassion is just an outlet of your own anger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, you mention nothing of the love, mercy and compassion of our Lord Jesus.

Again, to rebuke without compassion is just an outlet of your own anger.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

[Guest Guest]

I'm reading with a truly repentant heart ......

A repentant heart means having a changed heart, are you a member of a molokan church that shows respect for the writings of rudometkin on their prestol?

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

Titus 1:13, Without reading the verses, why are you so quick to judge that it is out of context? Correction is a form of compassion, did your child ever run into the street? You should do an anger check. FYI, Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the Lord avenges; The Lord avenges and is furious. The Lord will take vengeance on His adversaries, And He reserves wrath for His enemies; NKJV......and God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

I wonder why Paul told Timothy to be gentle with rebuke, but he told Titus to severely rebuke?

Why do you think that is?

Do you think Apostle Paul was confused?

24 The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged,

25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,

26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

2 Timothy 2:24–26 NAS

 

 

I will do an anger check while you do a scripture check.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I said my list was general and I did mention giving just a few motives. We all know your wife is stronger than you and she will never let you leave the molokan church, it's obvious you love her more than Jesus, He is not first in your life. I believe not being able to completely leave is the reason you are so angry and vacillate between supporting Christianity and Khlystism, you have each foot in a different boat.

Angry and vacillate?

What does vacillate mean?

 

And I do put my wife before religion and the church.

That is biblical.

Before God created the church and religion, he created man and wife.

The institution of marriage is more important than the church.

 

 

You are confusing religion of men with a relationship with God.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

BTW, I meant to put a slash in between the clark and 605. I know they are the same.

 

Then why did you type the word "cults" and "their" in their plural forms?

Clark st. and 605 are cults. Their belief system is a cult.

Nazaroff, You are not a truthfully speaking person, these are the people who have been sent the Comforter. "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God Hebrews 8 NKJV

 

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'Guest' date='Oct 2 2010, 07:46 PM' post='74404']

Then why did you type the word "cults" and "their" in their plural forms?

Give it a rest, already, PLEASE (пожалуйста). The forest is full of trees, even though you have a great deal of difficulty believing they need water to grow strong.

 

lastinline (& believe me i'm only trying to help)

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To the top... Maybe someone will read before tomorrow. If you do, and were planning on going to the Molokan church. Please read this posting. And, then go to a Christian Church where the Bible is taught, and where Jesus is Exalted with no other hindrances.

 

Such as "king of spirits", racism, language, spirit & life etc...

 

The most important reason not to attend, the denial of Jesus' deity, His perfect life and atonement for sin. And, that salvation is NOT of works, but all Of Grace!!

 

 

[Guest Wondering]

To the top... Maybe someone will read before tomorrow. If you do, and were planning on going to the Molokan church. Please read this posting. And, then go to a Christian Church where the Bible is taught, and where Jesus is Exalted with no other hindrances.

 

Such as "king of spirits", racism, language, spirit & life etc...

 

The most important reason not to attend, the denial of Jesus' deity, His perfect life and atonement for sin. And, that salvation is NOT of works, but all Of Grace!!

 

 

 

 

 

Amen Steve!

[Guest guest]

But there does exist a few safe havens within current day molokanism.

The UMCA, Kern Ave church, San Francisco church, and Siskiyou ave church are a few examples.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

You don't belong to any of these churches, you are in fact (STILL, todays date) hitched to Maxim's cart. Talk without the walk.

 

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