Indoctrination ?

[lastinline 0]

 

[LTTBT 0]

I wonder if they will have a question and answer session????

It doesn't say "Molokan" teenagers and young married couples.

Can I bring all my friends?

[Guest mom]

I wonder if they will have a question and answer session????

It doesn't say "Molokan" teenagers and young married couples.

Can I bring all my friends?

I've been to these kinds of valley seminars before, the cards are stacked in favor of the house. Questions are written on a 3x5 card and given to a moderator, the moderator reads only the questions that he deems appropriate, S&L questions have never been asked aloud or read to the answering panel. The last moderator was J.N. who deals from the bottom of the deck.

 

The questions should be allowed to be asked aloud instead, by older marrieds to. The reason given for not inviting the older ones is that it will make the younger ones feel intimidated, these are the same parents they live with, so that doesn't make sense to me. The attendees task as I see it is to separate molokan fact from molokan fiction using historical documentation. The elders putting on the event need to be educated with documented history.

 

[Guest mom]

The question and answer session is used as a ploy to encourage attendance for the lecture, when the questions cards are collected, a few pre-written cards are slipped on top of the stack by the moderator, with just enough time to read most of the pre-written cards guiding the seminar on the train of thoughts they want. They always claim they run out of time to read more, and will encourage you to stay after and ask your question where there will be only a handful present to witness the buffoonery of the elders stumbling to answer your questions with scripture not opinion.

 

You will be dealing with people who don't really believe the bible. Parents, insist on attending so you can see for yourself what is being taught to your children. What they do is spiritually very ugly and it is warfare in the fullest sense.

 

Kids don't be intimidated by their age or status, insist on Scriptural answers, stand your ground.

 

 

[lastinline 0]

Will these Elders of our Molokan community, endeavor to firmly reinforce through their desire that " we thoroughly understand the Christian belief of our forefathers," the Biblical Truth of the Trinity that is reinforced in the S&L? Will they have the backbone to encourage these young Molokans to embrace this Belief to ensure their Christian Molokan faith is Biblically sound on this issue?

 

Spirit & Life Page 315, Article 14, Verse 9: THE TRINITY we profess in the Spirit of the one invisible Deity; regarding which the holy Apostle John says, "The Father, the Word and Holy Spirit; these are one."

 

Here is poignant warning to attendees from Apostle Paul on this subject.

 

Colossians 2: 8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ. 9 For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. NLT

 

Колоссянам 2: 8 Смотрите, братия, чтобы кто не увлек вас философиею и пустым обольщением, по преданию человеческому, по стихиям мира, а не по Христу; 9 ибо в Нем обитает вся полнота Божества телесно, 10 и вы имеете полноту в Нем, Который есть глава всякого начальства и власти.

 

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[Guest guest]

Wondering if they are going to present the information in English or in Russian.

[Guest agua]

Will these Elders of our Molokan community, endeavor to firmly reinforce through their desire that " we thoroughly understand the Christian belief of our forefathers," the Biblical Truth of the Trinity that is reinforced in the S&L?

lastinline (no nonsense here)

 

What are you doing?

You know the Elders won't step up to your satisfaction.

Sounds like this whole post of yours is nonsense, even though you state "no nonsence here"

 

If there is such error in the presentation I'm sure you will finally be able to stand up to some young adults and correct there so called false teaching of the molokan youth.

If you stand by and let it happen, you would be just as guilty as the ones presenting the information.

Stand up and let your Light shine.

 

[Guest mud_paddie]

If you stand by and let it happen, you would be just as guilty as the ones presenting the information.

Stand up and let your Light shine.

lastinline Agua is right, Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. James 4:17

 

 

[lastinline 0]

What are you doing?

 

Stand up and let your Light shine.

I'm getting the word out & tickling your fancy, seemingly.

 

In what capacity will your light be shining? Is Jesus of Nazareth, your Lord God as is required to have fellowship with Him as creator of the universe?

 

lastinline (no nonsense here)

[Guest Evon Vas.]

What are you doing?

 

Stand up and let your Light shine.

I'm getting the word out.....

 

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Your thoughts and prayers will be at this seminar for molokan idolatry while your feet will be home in front of the television set.

 

[Guest motheroftwo]

Wondering if they are going to present the information in English or in Russian.

The S.B. family that organizes these types of events at the valley UMCA, in the past he has always broken with his church philosophic standard and speaks totally in the English language.

 

[Guest Guest]

Should this seminar be video taped?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Notice it's all for a specific demographic and not everyone

 

They wish to indoctrinate more for the cult under the guise of "heritage"

 

This is yet more lies from the cult of molokanism to pave the road to hell for it's members

[Guest Buckwheat]

Should this seminar be video taped?

U Tube the Idolatry Seminar, covertly if necessary, document the beliefs of the Neanderthalis Molokanii for public record, what reason could they have to object, it would any hold false accusations at bay which would work to their advantage?

 

[lastinline 0]

Should this seminar be video taped?

An interesting idea, in that the purpose of the seminar is to have the group targeted be able to "thoroughly understand the Christian belief of our (Molokan) forefathers." If the seminar's presenters desire to bring a thoughtful, Biblical and historically accurate presentation, it would seem to me that they would then want this message to be available to all Molokans who have a desire to have this information to ponder.

 

Hopefully I'm way off base but, sadly I feel that the opposite is true. They would have no desire to have their Biblical beliefs and/or historical beliefs open to any type of scrutiny.

 

Biblical Warning: James 3: 1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. NKJV

 

Иакова 3: 1 Братия мои! не многие делайтесь учителями, зная, что мы подвергнемся большему осуждению

 

lastinline (& patiently continuing with NO nonsense)

[Guest guest]

Should this seminar be video taped?

An interesting idea, in that the purpose of the seminar is to have the group targeted be able to "thoroughly understand the Christian belief of our (Molokan) forefathers." If the seminar's presenters desire to bring a thoughtful, Biblical and historically accurate presentation, it would seem to me that they would then want this message to be available to all Molokans who have a desire to have this information to ponder.

 

lastinline (& patiently continuing with NO nonsense)

Their are flat rate transcription services for hire, and transcription machines sold at office supply stores, maybe transcription machines can be rented, the UMCA needs to protect it's credibility against subversives.

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

Oh my, all the assumptions...

 

At the very least, as Christians, we should be in prayer for the youth who are going to be attending.

 

If all we are doing is making ridiculous comments, what good is that?

 

At best, wait to see what the outcome of the event will be.

 

Who knows?

Maybe the biblical Jesus will be proclaimed at this event.

 

And if not, then at that point we can discern what went on, and correct and rebuke.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

[Guest Guest]

If all we are doing is making ridiculous comments, what good is that?

Who knows? Maybe the biblical Jesus will be proclaimed at this event.

You're not a fast learner are you? Maybe if we did what God asked us too, you wouldn't be helplessly stuck in your church, denying bondage to a religion. What would the Apostles have done about a meeting like this?

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Kevin states

 

"Maybe the biblical Jesus will be proclaimed at this event"

 

To that I say "unlikely" because it states

 

"A molokan History Seminar, as described in "Essay on Religion" in our Spirit and Life Book, has been prepared by our elders of our community " blah blah blah...

 

There is NO Christianity WHEREVER the Spirit and Life Book is regarded as anything other than kindling for the files of Hell

[Guest Guest]

At the very least, as Christians, we should be in prayer for the youth who are going to be attending.

A Christian would would say "how could we best serve the Lord". You are protecting the SB family because they are a relation and you grew up with their son and daughters. Kevin talks Christ yet walks Khlyst, as a full paying, bench stacking, dish washing, plate serving member of a cult church. Doesn't your heart ache, why are you not troubled to a point of confusion-babble or are you? I think I should re-read your last post about your Rudometkinite relatives acknowledging the Biblical Christ.

 

[Disciple 0]

At the very least, as Christians, we should be in prayer for the youth who are going to be attending.

A Christian would would say "how could we best serve the Lord". You are protecting the SB family because they are a relation and you grew up with their son and daughters. Kevin talks Christ yet walks Khlyst, as a full paying, bench stacking, dish washing, plate serving member of a cult church. Doesn't your heart ache, why are you not troubled to a point of confusion-babble or are you? I think I should re-read your last post about your Rudometkinite relatives acknowledging the Biblical Christ.

Ahh the scorn of an anonymous fool ... I bet you felt real good after typing that scathing remark. You can type mighty strong words, but look in your heart and see the coward there, then look at the courage it takes to come out and confess ones sins, and the work of the Lord Jesus Christ in ones life.

 

2 Corinthians 13:5 "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves."

[Guest Evon Vas.]

look at the courage it takes to come out and confess ones sins, and the work of the Lord Jesus Christ in ones life.

Kevin has parked in a garage posing as a car. Khlyst churches can not produce Christians . "Blessed is the man Who walks NOT in the counsel of the ungodly" Psalms 1:1

 

talks Christ yet walks Khlyst, as a full paying, bench stacking, dish washing, plate serving member of a cult church.

Well Disciple it sounds like Guest struck a nerve. Maybe you should have stayed in your fathers one man church up in the hills, you accomplished nothing by moving laterally to a different Khlyst church.

 

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

Kevin states

 

"Maybe the biblical Jesus will be proclaimed at this event"

 

To that I say "unlikely" because it states

 

"A molokan History Seminar, as described in "Essay on Religion" in our Spirit and Life Book, has been prepared by our elders of our community " blah blah blah...

 

There is NO Christianity WHEREVER the Spirit and Life Book is regarded as anything other than kindling for the files of Hell

 

It may very well be unlikely...

 

Maybe, maybe not.

 

But if God so desires to intervene and make Himself known, then He will.

It is all up to God.

 

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

A Christian would would say "how could we best serve the Lord".

So how would you serve the Lord in this situation?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are protecting the SB family because they are a relation and you grew up with their son and daughters.

How am I protecting them?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kevin talks Christ yet walks Khlyst

I do not walk Khlyst.

If I am in error, please specifically tell me how I am walking Khlyst.

 

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

If all we are doing is making ridiculous comments, what good is that?

Who knows? Maybe the biblical Jesus will be proclaimed at this event.

You're not a fast learner are you? Maybe if we did what God asked us too, you wouldn't be helplessly stuck in your church, denying bondage to a religion. What would the Apostles have done about a meeting like this?

 

No, I am not a fast learner.

My wife can attest to that.

 

But I am learning.

I am learning patience.

I am learning the truth.

And I am learning what it means to show compassion and mercy.

 

Not every situation should be treated with harsh rebuke.

 

There is a time and a place for that, but there is also a time and a place for pleading and reasoning.

9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?

10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.

11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

12 I beg of you, brethren, become as I am, for I also have become as you are. You have done me no wrong;

Galatians 4:9–12 NAS

 

20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

2 Corinthians 5:20 NAS

 

 

That is why I said that we should be in prayer.

I did not say that you shouldn't be harsh.

That is not up to me, that is up to God.

I am not stopping you or anybody from doing God's will.

 

But how do you know what you should do apart from the guidance of God through the Holy Spirit and the Word of God?

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

[Guest Guest]

A Christian would would say "how could we best serve the Lord".

So how would you serve the Lord in this situation?

I think you answered your own question

I really believe it is time to get off the fence. I speak to myself first. Would it not be better to get out and seek the Lord and His word? Be it join an established Christian "ne-nash" church, or start a reformed "postayan" church. But either way, we have got to get off the fence! Let's face it, not one of the current "molokan" churches will take the s&l off the table. Not one. What makes us so sure we ourselves will survive more brainwashing?

 

 

 

 

You are protecting the SB family because they are a relation and you grew up with their son and daughters.

How am I protecting them?

Again you answered your own question

Let's face it, not one of the current "molokan" churches will take the s&l off the table. Not one. What makes us so sure we ourselves will survive more brainwashing?

 

 

 

 

Kevin talks Christ yet walks Khlyst

I do not walk Khlyst. If I am in error, please specifically tell me how I am walking Khlyst.

You Sir are a liar! You are fully re cognizant of your predicament, it would be better you never knew the truth than to have denied it.

Let's face it, not one of the current "molokan" churches will take the s&l off the table. Not one. What makes us so sure we ourselves will survive more brainwashing? But either way, we have got to get off the fence!

 

 

 

 

 

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[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

Kevin has parked in a garage posing as a car. Khlyst churches can not produce Christians . "Blessed is the man Who walks NOT in the counsel of the ungodly" Psalms 1:1

A Khlyst church never did and never will produce a Christian.

A Christian church never did and never will produce a Christian.

 

Only God produces Christians.

And there should be evidence of repentance in a born-again-converted believers life.

 

Are you really that sure about me, to say that I am a false convert?

 

You are fundamentally flawed on your view of salvation, so on what basis do you have to determine the validity of my salvation?

 

You also took the verse in Psalms and applied it to salvation.

Do you really think that is what that verse is referring to?

 

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Psalm 1:1-3 AV

Kevin Nazaroff

[Guest Evon Vas.]

Khlyst churches can not produce Christians .

Only God produces Christians.

Calm down, aren't we saying the same thing? The only difference is you belong to a cult religion and have separated yourself from God because of it. Enjoy your stay!

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

You Sir are a liar! You are fully re cognizant of your predicament, it would be better you never knew the truth than to have denied it.

 

What did I lie about?

You are fully re sponsible for you re sponse.

 

I am almost not sure I should take you seriously.

You are too scared to sign on and use your screen name.

Why do you continue to try and remain anonymous?

For all I know, you yourself are a closet-khlyst, trying to spread your own agenda, rather then God's agenda.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you were attempting to quote from 2 Peter.

Here is the verse you mis quoted.

 

12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,

13 suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you,

14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;

15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

17 These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved.

18 For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,

19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.

20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.

22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”

2 Peter 2:12–22 NAS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

 

[lastinline 0]

Interesting that this seminar will be held two days after the Holiday of Blowing of Trumpets, which acknowledges, Christ's return for HIS Bride. I wonder if the Deity of Christ Jesus will be Trumpeted?

 

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[Guest Guest_curious_*]

Interesting that this seminar will be held two days after the Holiday of Blowing of Trumpets, which acknowledges, Christ's return for HIS Bride. I wonder if the Deity of Christ Jesus will be Trumpeted?

 

lastinline (with reservation ticket paid for by HIS Blood)

Do you think the timing was deliberate?

 

[Guest Guest_curious_*]

admin, what is the significance of these markings_*_* and _* that follow some writers script names?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

The cult is losing ground and is scrambling to ratchet up the deceptive rhetoric with the "we're special and everyone else is part of the ecumenical pagan easter bunny 666 ne-nash church" non-sense

 

Fear is one of the central tenets of a cult

 

 

[Guest Paul W. Orloff]

Kevin,

 

Only since this brainwashing is allready going to happen, I agree that prayer is really all to do.

 

BUT, read that flyer and look for anything Scriptural about it? At least they openly say that they will have the "devils diges"t there. It's all "our" "we" etc. What about Him?

 

You are a reader and have read many books with endless martyer stories. They ALL died for THEIR faith and their convictions. (The Christian ones). Any martyer need be only talked about as other martyer or we see what continues today? ALL Christians that obey God are Martyers of sorts, just some go through more pain. The Molokan Forefathers did not shed ANY blood for you or I or anyone that attends those meetings.

 

Honestly, in a way that gives all the GLory to Jesus, I care less about Molokan Martyers for one reason. Thats because it's shoved down our thoats our whole lives and every single church gathering. They are put SO high up there. THEY dont want that glory. These people are stuck on this stuff and sure, miracles do happen, and God can use this for a good thing, but it shouldnt even be going on. Someone mentioned that the elders there must be History Knowledgable about the For Father. MANY know stuff but lack Spiritual Wisdom or True understanding of who Jesus is except for a guy they sing about and use in a prayer in Russian over and over.

 

Agreed with Seeking,

 

If they Spirit and Life is there, it's not of God.

 

We can pray that no one shows up or the lights do not work. This is gonna be going on more and more in the near future with God calling His kids out to The cross. When they worry, they grab tradition as thats what they worship. A normal reaction would be to grab a Bible and have a Study?

 

Like it says in a proverb;

 

PARENTS, teach you kids the ways of the lord and they will not depart from it.

 

 

Molokans of Today have a bunch of spevkas and a little Bible type study here and there but NO real BIBLE teaching? NO, Bible teaching. There should be a lot of them.

 

Parents didn't learn anything or they do not not care or are to busy, so they send their kids to other people who know Not God, to start the Cycle over again.

 

Again, I do pray that the attendess at least see that the True Molokans back in the day were sinners just as they are and that Jesus gets in the picture

 

 

[lastinline 0]

Interesting that this seminar will be held two days after the Holiday of Blowing of Trumpets, which acknowledges, Christ's return for HIS Bride. I wonder if the Deity of Christ Jesus will be Trumpeted?

 

lastinline (with reservation ticket paid for by HIS Blood)

Do you think the timing was deliberate?

Since it seems that the purpose of this seminar is to continue the Molokan tradition of forefather worship and/or endearment with the result, whether desired or not, will diminish the acknowlegment that only the suffering of the God-Man Jesus Christ of Nazareth as the one and only COMPLETE propitiation for our sins and that this belief must reign supreme in the heart and mind of His followers.

 

1 Peter 1: 18 For you know that God paid a ransom to save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors. And the ransom he paid was not mere gold or silver. 19 It was the precious blood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God. 20 God chose him as your ransom long before the world began, but he has now revealed him to you in these last days. NLT

 

1-e Петра 1: 18 зная, что не тленным серебром или золотом искуплены вы от суетной жизни, преданной вам от отцов, 19 но драгоценною Кровию Христа, как непорочного и чистого Агнца, 20 предназначенного еще прежде создания мира, но явившегося в последние времена для вас,

 

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[Guest Paul Orloff]

Kevin,

 

I like the "Only God can create Christians!"

 

It's so true!

 

How can we even begin to think we know how to be more like Jesus on our own?

 

How can we even think we have a clue who He is?

 

Being that we hated Him for so long, we were powerless and followed whatever.

 

Through Jesus Words in John 6, He Himself says no one can even come to Him unless The Father allows it. The Father who sent Him has to draw us and did and only He can do it to others.

 

It's like a car. A wrecked up peice of junk cannot take itself to a Body and fender and a Mechanic, only him who decides that that car is going to be salvaged has the power and say so. Ones that are not picked, go to the junkyard.

 

God created us, so for others to think we have the abilty to do part of The Masters Work is just not possible and just not right. Just as a car cannot fix itself, a man cannot fix himself. They both need a Saviour. One needs a Saviour and the other a good mechanic that has the man made knowledge to fix the man made creation.

 

If God and Evolution both were working together, then perhaps we would be able to do part of the work.

 

Just the thought of God needing us to help Him while we hated Him is just not right! Just the thought of God NEEDING us for anything is scary!

 

Thank you Jesus!!

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

Kevin,

 

I like the "Only God can create Christians!"

 

It's so true!

 

How can we even begin to think we know how to be more like Jesus on our own?

 

How can we even think we have a clue who He is?

 

Being that we hated Him for so long, we were powerless and followed whatever.

 

Through Jesus Words in John 6, He Himself says no one can even come to Him unless The Father allows it. The Father who sent Him has to draw us and did and only He can do it to others.

 

It's like a car. A wrecked up peice of junk cannot take itself to a Body and fender and a Mechanic, only him who decides that that car is going to be salvaged has the power and say so. Ones that are not picked, go to the junkyard.

 

God created us, so for others to think we have the abilty to do part of The Masters Work is just not possible and just not right. Just as a car cannot fix itself, a man cannot fix himself. They both need a Saviour. One needs a Saviour and the other a good mechanic that has the man made knowledge to fix the man made creation.

 

If God and Evolution both were working together, then perhaps we would be able to do part of the work.

 

Just the thought of God needing us to help Him while we hated Him is just not right! Just the thought of God NEEDING us for anything is scary!

 

Thank you Jesus!!

Right on Paul.

I like the wrecked car analogy.

It is hard to imagine a wrecked car trying to fix itself.

 

 

Thanks for sharing!

God bless.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

[Guest guest]

The cult is losing ground and is scrambling to ratchet up the deceptive rhetoric with the "we're special and everyone else is part of the ecumenical pagan easter bunny 666 ne-nash church" non-sense

 

Fear is one of the central tenets of a cult

So true. What you say has been repeated by Christian elders. The group two feel threatened. The group three are oblivious to their plight.

 

[lastinline 0]

TICK.....TICK....TICK.....

 

1 Timothy 1: 7 They want to be known as teachers of the law of Moses, but they don’t know what they are talking about, even though they speak so confidently. NLT

 

1-е Тимофею 1: 7 желая быть законоучителями, но не разумея ни того, о чем говорят, ни того, что утверждают. RUSV

 

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[Guest Guest_curious_*]

The Essay on Religion, at the Central Valley UMCA, does anyone have an update?

[lastinline 0]

The Essay on Religion, at the Central Valley UMCA, does anyone have an update?

Rescheduled to September 18 th for youngsters 10-12 AM and an adult version was added to take place on October 1st at 7 to 9 pm.

 

lastinline (with an eye on the Truth being revealed)

[Guest El Scorcho Grande]

The Essay on Religion, at the Central Valley UMCA, does anyone have an update?

Rescheduled to September 18 th for youngsters 10-12 AM and an adult version was added to take place on October 1st at 7 to 9 pm.

 

lastinline (with an eye on the Truth being revealed)

 

Why two different sessions, I hope there aren't two different versions of what's being taught. I wouldn't allow my child to attend something like this without me present.

[Guest Guest]

The Essay on Religion, at the Central Valley UMCA, does anyone have an update?

Rescheduled to September 18 th for youngsters 10-12 AM and an adult version was added to take place on October 1st at 7 to 9 pm.

 

lastinline (with an eye on the Truth being revealed)

All parents have the right to observe the teachings of their child, there's no problem with that is their? The teachers are cultists, you know they are going to be taught upholding Rudometkin's religion is the highest priority.

 

You wouldn't take your child or grandchild to a public school that taught such trash. Don't rely on the church elders for any Biblical scrutiny, they're too stupid for that, their churches have been in a state of decline for decades.

 

[LTTBT 0]

The Essay on Religion, at the Central Valley UMCA, does anyone have an update?

Rescheduled to September 18 th for youngsters 10-12 AM and an adult version was added to take place on October 1st at 7 to 9 pm.

 

lastinline (with an eye on the Truth being revealed)

 

 

Divide and conquer. Nice tactic.

 

[Guest Thirsty but not for that]

The Essay on Religion, at the Central Valley UMCA, does anyone have an update?

Rescheduled to September 18 th for youngsters 10-12 AM and an adult version was added to take place on October 1st at 7 to 9 pm.

 

lastinline (with an eye on the Truth being revealed)

 

 

Divide and conquer. Nice tactic.

Pass the kool-aid, but make sure it is kosher.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

It certainly is up to God

 

Since it is starting with a flawed foundation, how can Truth and a lie coexist?

 

How can the Biblical Jesus be proclaimed?

 

Would you send your family to a "christian heritage event" WITH a book mormon or how about something penned by Mary Baker Eddy?

 

It's the EXACT same thing and has NOTHING to do with Christianity

 

 

 

Kevin states

 

"Maybe the biblical Jesus will be proclaimed at this event"

 

To that I say "unlikely" because it states

 

"A molokan History Seminar, as described in "Essay on Religion" in our Spirit and Life Book, has been prepared by our elders of our community " blah blah blah...

 

There is NO Christianity WHEREVER the Spirit and Life Book is regarded as anything other than kindling for the files of Hell

 

It may very well be unlikely...

 

Maybe, maybe not.

 

But if God so desires to intervene and make Himself known, then He will.

It is all up to God.

 

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

 

[Guest Dyadzya_whatever]

Well, It seems as though there's not much molokanism left to test with Scripture, molokans have mixed their beliefs with Mormonism, Khlystism, the Masons, Islam and Orthodoxy, a little bit of each of these unbiblical tenets is found in their religion. Five years ago I thought the dialoguing couldn't go on much longer, but their was enough interest that we continued. Still no definition from spiritually elite groups 2&3 on what a molokan is, how molokans test for truth, what a molokan woman is, how Salvation in the Spirit and Life book is Christian, or that God the Son was not Divine but a creation witnessed by Rudometkin himself, and how His name came to be King of Spirits the New Savior for all the world, which coincidently turned out to be Rudometkin himself. Does anyone have a problem with that? Smacks with overtones of David Koresch's Branch Davidian cult.

 

 

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Does anyone have a problem with that?

And the beat goes on and on and on and on?

 

"Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it."

 

" Те которые отказывают выучить от истории засужены для того чтобы повторить it."

 

Jesus tells us that the "rich man" seemed to believe that if one goes to them (his brothers) from the dead, they will repent. But He (my Lord) said to him (the rich man), "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will the be persuaded though one rise from the dead."

 

lastinline (& with scars to prove it)

[lastinline 0]

Does anyone have a problem with that?

And the beat goes on and on and on and on?

 

"Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it."

 

" Те которые отказывают выучить от истории засужены для того чтобы повторить it."

 

Jesus tells us that the "rich man" seemed to believe that if one goes to them (his brothers) from the dead, they will repent. But He (my Lord) said to him (the rich man), "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will the be persuaded though one rise from the dead."

 

lastinline (& with scars to prove it)

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

It still comes down to a cult controlling the sheeple using a myriad of tactics including the number one manipulator of people...FEAR

 

Fear if you speak out against the lies, you'll be asked to leave

Fear if you ask honest questions, you'll be asked to leave

Fear if anyone finds out about speaking to anyone outside the cult, you'll be asked to leave

Fear if you don't play by their "rules" you'll not see Heaven

Fear if you don't assist within the cult, you'll not be assisted when you need it

Fear if you actually find out the Truth, it would be too painful to realize you have been lied to all of your life

Fear if you actually find out the Truth, it would be too painful to realize your family have been lied to all of their lives

 

 

and the list goes on

 

It's sick

[Guest Guest]

Jesus Teaches the Fear of God (Matthew 10:27-31 NKJV)

27"Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops.

28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father's will.

30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

31 Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.

 

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Correct... The fear of man is a trap

 

The fear of man brings a snare, But whoever trusts in the LORD shall be safe. Proverbs 29:25

 

Therein lies the problem

 

cult members are paralyzed by the fear of what others in the cult may think about them or might do to them

 

I recall going to molokan "church" in my youth in fear

 

I'd seen what those who were "in charge" would do to people by publicly humiliating them

 

Or worse, the backbiting by those who would whisper among themselves and wag their fingers at those whose hair was too long or weren't wearing the "right thing"

 

I've come to find out all of that was GARBAGE

 

Those who looked down their "beards" (mostly men) at others we're not Godly, they were just advancing the teachings of the cult

 

Again, it's all sickening to me

 

More so, it angers me there are those who are in bondage to this junk because of the "elders"

 

“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.” (Hosea 4:6 NKJV)

 

Jesus came to set people free from the bondage of a cult

 

"The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; (Luke 4:18)

 

Once you have tasted freedom in Christ, I cannot see why ANYONE would stay within a cult

 

Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good; Blessed is the man who trusts in Him! (Psalm 34:8)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jesus Teaches the Fear of God (Matthew 10:27-31 NKJV)

27"Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops.

28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father's will.

30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

31 Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.

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Fear if you don't assist within the cult, you'll not be assisted when you need it, It's sick.

Yes, this is absolutely true, but it is a double-edged sword, why? The powers-that-be know very well that if they push a little too hard, someone will spit in the borsh so-to-speak and bring down the house of cards.

 

lastinline (& with a lot more to say on this subject of "spiritual purity" as has been clearly scholarly and Biblically demonstrated)

[Guest Guest]

The powers-that-be know very well that if they push a little too hard, someone will spit in the borsh so-to-speak and bring down the house of cards.

"spit in the borsh" You're joking right! LIL, we're plum out of spit, the elders know very well they minister to a heretical false religion church, gimmy a P, gimmy a R, gimmy a I, gimmy a D, gimmy a E,...It's PRIDE, gimmy, gimmy, gimmy, pure and simple it's PRIDE! A soul has no value to them.

 

 

[lastinline 0]

The powers-that-be know very well that if they push a little too hard, someone will spit in the borsh so-to-speak and bring down the house of cards.

"spit in the borsh" You're joking right! LIL, we're plum out of spit, the elders know very well they minister to a heretical false religion church, gimmy a P, gimmy a R, gimmy a I, gimmy a D, gimmy a E,...It's PRIDE, gimmy, gimmy, gimmy, pure and simple it's PRIDE! A soul has no value to them.

We all should know that all true relationships are built over time with TRUST and LOVE that cannot be bought and sold. When you know that the powers-that-be could care less about your true spiritual well-being, then why would anyone have a desire to serve them borsh that is prepared to feed their PRIDE alone.

 

lastinline (in spite of it all chatter & at home on the range)

[Guest just-curious]

How did it go, did it go?

 

[Guest GOING GREEN]

How did it go, did it go?

 

 

Postive turn out. Me and my wife can not wait for more. Very good!!!

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Positive How?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Positive How?

How is anything to do with the s&l "positive"?

[Guest just-curious]

How did it go, did it go?

 

 

Postive turn out. Me and my wife can not wait for more. Very good!!!

Was there and adult seminar?

[Guest just-curious]

How did it go, did it go?

 

 

Postive turn out. Me and my wife can not wait for more. Very good!!!

Who were the guest speakers, sorry that I couldn't attend.

 

[Guest Guest_jtolmachoff_*]

Positive How?

How is anything to do with the s&l "positive"?

 

[Guest Guest]

Positive How?

How is anything to do with the s&l "positive"?

What did they discuss about. Was there any mention of God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit ? Was there a question and answer period after the lecture ? Who were the people that put on the seminar ? Also there was talk of them having an adult seminar and a teen age seminar is that still going to happen ?

[Guest just-curious]

How did it go, did it go?

 

 

Postive turn out. Me and my wife can not wait for more. Very good!!!

GG, That's interesting, I checked the molokan community calendar for September, October and November 2010 this event was not listed, wonder why?

 

[Guest just-curious]

How did it go, did it go?

 

 

Postive turn out. Me and my wife can not wait for more. Very good!!!

sorry that I couldn't attend.

Losing a loved one to a cult is emotionally painful and can cause prolonged suffering. Bringing an attorney to the seminar did cross my mind (just in case) some people could never spend all their acquired wealth, some of the deceived have roots that go very deep, you never know, the Kerman UMCA did misrepresent themselves and did solicit funds under a false pretense, I'm sure that argument could be successfully made to a court. Cultists and sometimes their families have been successfully sued. A good attorney could make it all go together.

 

[Guest El Scorcho Grande]

Positive How?

How is anything to do with the s&l "positive"?

 

Well, if you are Satan or a disciple of Satan, the idea of people studying the S&L is very positive. If on the other hand you fear God, and trust in Jesus Christ for your Salvation, then you wouldn't bother to read such garbage, and the idea of people studying it with the idea of following it, will bring nothing but sadness to your heart.

 

The S&L doesn''t lead to God, it leads away from God. God isn't in the S&L, the S&L is not of God. The S&L was written by dark forces working to lead people away from God. It is important to teach your children that the S&L isn't scripture, it is the opposite of Scripture, tell them to read and study the Bible, all that they need to know is within. If we don't teach others how wrong and against God the S&L is, people especially children will be mislead. They will be told how it makes us different, they will be made to feel that it makes us superior, when the truth is the opposite. God gave us all the Bible, how did we get so arrogant to think that he gave just us Molokans a secret special book, that contradicts the Bible, and yet is somehow more true? Does God contradict his own word? Is God a liar? God gave us the Bible, the evil of man probably under the direction of Satan gave us the S&L.