What are your feelings about attending the rest of the molokan doings

[Guest motheroftwo]

I have NOT been to a molokan new israel regular morning church in over a year, and the last time I "skazval" was in November or December and that WAS MY LAST TIME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

What was it that finally made you come to that conclusion?

 

What are your feelings about attending the rest of the molokan doings besides your morning church?

 

[stevepiv 0]

I have NOT been to a molokan new israel regular morning church in over a year, and the last time I "skazval" was in November or December and that WAS MY LAST TIME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

What was it that finally made you come to that conclusion?

 

What are your feelings about attending the rest of the molokan doings besides your morning church?

 

 

If you know me, e-mail or call me.

 

Thanks.

[Guest motheroftwo]

I have NOT been to a molokan new israel regular morning church in over a year, and the last time I "skazval" was in November or December and that WAS MY LAST TIME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

What was it that finally made you come to that conclusion?

 

What are your feelings about attending the rest of the molokan doings besides your morning church?

 

 

If you know me, e-mail or call me.

 

Thanks.

You make your statement in public but won't discuss it's terms in public, obviously you fear scrutiny, are you right with God or not?

 

[stevepiv 0]

I have NOT been to a molokan new israel regular morning church in over a year, and the last time I "skazval" was in November or December and that WAS MY LAST TIME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

What was it that finally made you come to that conclusion?

 

What are your feelings about attending the rest of the molokan doings besides your morning church?

 

 

If you know me, e-mail or call me.

 

Thanks.

You make your statement in public but won't discuss it's terms in public, obviously you fear scrutiny, are you right with God or not?

 

I don't fear scrutiny, I use my real name.

 

Truly after testing the molokan new israel religion with Scripture, I REALLY HAVE NO ARGUMENT WHY I SHOULD or WOULD STAY. It's un-biblical, another gospel, racist, respecter of men, they deny the deity of Jesus, allow writings that contradict the Scriptures, prayer for dead, infant baptism, many man made rules and traditions, elders that are NOT saved but are only there because they know russian and can perform during services, and the list goes on.

 

It's not a decision we made over night, but has been a prayer since the latter part of 2007 when I was shown that I WAS NOT saved, but duped into a man made religion.

 

Writing in detail how God has lead me the past 3 years and fittng it into a post on a forum is impossible to share the many many times of God showing me and lavishing His Grace upon me.

 

Thanks for asking.

 

*added:

 

Also, I could not lead my children into going to a place that IS NOT HEALTHY for their future. By my attendance to the cult of molokan new israel, I am leading my kids in that way, and leading them to a place that is NOT CHRISTIAN. As a father and husband, I want to disciple my children and attend a Church that is Christian, attend a Church that is NOT Racist, attend a Church that stands on Scripture, a Church that teaches and encourages and rebukes and reproofs with Scripture.

Edited August 24, 2010 by stevepiv

[Guest motheroftwo]

I don't fear scrutiny, I use my real name.

I am only human and yes I fear scrutiny, for myself, and my remaining family that are not yet strong in the ways of the Lord. You and your wife made a wise and brave decision. Leaving is no doubt the best thing you could EVER do for your children. You are good parents.

 

Stay Blessed my friend. Thank You for your frankness, Your testimony should be an encouragement to others.

 

Kevin are reading.

 

[Guest El Scorcho Grande]

God Bless you and your family Steve, what you are doing is not easy, and I respect you for that. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings, I hope and pray that it will help others.

[stevepiv 0]

Pastor C.H. Spurgeon said it best here:

 

"As a private member of a church, I have no right to be a member of a church whose

doctrines I do not accept; indeed, I ought not to regard it as a possibility that I could

remain to profess what I do not agree with. I am responsible, as a member of a

church, for all that is taught and all that is done by that church in its church

capacity; and if I am protesting in my heart, and yet in my proper person continue

part and parcel of that church, I am not acting truthfully to God." (C.H. Spurgeon)

[Guest Say-it-how-it-is]

1 John 1:6

If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

NKJV

 

2 Corinthians 6:14-18

Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?

16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."

17 Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."

18 'I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty."

NKJV

 

John 12:46-49

I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him — the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command,

NKJV

 

1 John 2:6

He (Kevin Khlyst) who says he abides in Him (Jesus) ought himself also to walk just as He (Jesus) walked.

NKJV

 

Romans 8:27

And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God's own will.

 

Psalms 34:14

14 Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.

NKJV

 

Psalms 133:1

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brethren to dwell together in unity!

NKJV

 

2 Corinthians 13:11

11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Become complete. Be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.

NKJV

 

Ephesians 5:11

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

NKJV

 

 

Ezekiel 36:27

I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

NKJV

 

John 3:20-21

20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

NKJV

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ezekiel 36:27

I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

NKJV

 

Do we take this literally, is this an absolute for everyone who claims to have the Holy Spirit?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Yet you divorced your wife without Biblical cause and are currently not in regular fellowship in a Bible teaching Church

 

Seems that you are in as bad of shape as you claim Kevin to be

 

Check yourself

 

Ezekiel 36:27

I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

NKJV

 

Do we take this literally, is this an absolute for everyone who claims to have the Holy Spirit?

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

1 John 2:6

He (Kevin Khlyst) who says he abides in Him (Jesus) ought himself also to walk just as He (Jesus) walked.

NKJV

 

I do not walk or talk Khlyst.

 

It is my desire to walk and talk Christ.

And if there is any wrong way within me, I ask and pray the Lord to remove that wrong way from me.

 

23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

Psalm 139:23–24 AV

 

 

[Guest another guest]

This is just an excuse for you not to do this. You need to remove that wrong from yourself, instead of sitting around not doing it because you do not want to do it and expecting God to do it for you even though you do not want it done.

 

Sounds like the vagrants you haul around, waiting for you to do it for them, instead of them doing something for themselves because they do not want to do it for themselves because they in reality like it the way it is.

 

1 John 2:6

He (Kevin Khlyst) who says he abides in Him (Jesus) ought himself also to walk just as He (Jesus) walked.

NKJV

 

I do not walk or talk Khlyst.

 

It is my desire to walk and talk Christ.

And if there is any wrong way within me, I ask and pray the Lord to remove that wrong way from me.

 

23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

Psalm 139:23–24 AV

 

[Guest guest]

Yet you divorced your wife without Biblical cause and are currently not in regular fellowship in a Bible teaching Church

 

Seems that you are in as bad of shape as you claim Kevin to be

 

Check yourself

You got one thing right this guest doesn't have a wife this guest has a husband. Check yourself, yourself.

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

This is just an excuse for you not to do this. You need to remove that wrong from yourself, instead of sitting around not doing it because you do not want to do it and expecting God to do it for you even though you do not want it done.

 

Sounds like the vagrants you haul around, waiting for you to do it for them, instead of them doing something for themselves because they do not want to do it for themselves because they in reality like it the way it is.

What excuse are you talking about?

What am I not willing to do?

What do I need to remove?

 

Please be specific.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

[Guest another_another_guest]

This is just an excuse for you not to do this. You need to remove that wrong from yourself, instead of sitting around not doing it because you do not want to do it and expecting God to do it for you even though you do not want it done.

 

Sounds like the vagrants you haul around, waiting for you to do it for them, instead of them doing something for themselves because they do not want to do it for themselves because they in reality like it the way it is.

What excuse are you talking about?

What am I not willing to do?

What do I need to remove?

 

Please be specific.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

Your "Oh poor me, What do you mean" attitude has worn out a looooooong time ago, so get a new line, pleeeeeze, at your age with your attitude you should have plenty of them to remember.

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Usually I'm quite good at this...

 

Whoever it is they walk, talk and attack just like steadfast

 

The phrasing and tone do not sound female either

 

Don't tell me I'm wrong...

 

or

 

Are you fibbing?

 

Yet you divorced your wife without Biblical cause and are currently not in regular fellowship in a Bible teaching Church

 

Seems that you are in as bad of shape as you claim Kevin to be

 

Check yourself

You got one thing right this guest doesn't have a wife this guest has a husband. Check yourself, yourself.

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

This is just an excuse for you not to do this. You need to remove that wrong from yourself, instead of sitting around not doing it because you do not want to do it and expecting God to do it for you even though you do not want it done.

 

Sounds like the vagrants you haul around, waiting for you to do it for them, instead of them doing something for themselves because they do not want to do it for themselves because they in reality like it the way it is.

What excuse are you talking about?

What am I not willing to do?

What do I need to remove?

 

Please be specific.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

Your "Oh poor me, What do you mean" attitude has worn out a looooooong time ago, so get a new line, pleeeeeze, at your age with your attitude you should have plenty of them to remember.

God dealt with my "poor me" attitude a few years ago, so you are wrong on that one.

 

I guess you can't answer my question?

You shouldn't make statements based on fiction.

 

If you know something and it is the truth, please post it.

 

My life is not my own, it was bought by God.

 

And I answer to Him.

 

Again,

What excuse are you talking about?

What am I not willing to do?

What do I need to remove?

 

Please be specific.

 

Kevin Nazaroff

 

[stevepiv 0]

These posts by "guests" are starting to go over the top. A real discussion can't be achieved with someone who is attacking another person without knowing the facts. Guest, have you tried to speak with Kevin on the phone? , or in person?...

 

Every idle man a word speaks he will have to give an account.

 

Kevin has been very honest, and has held his patience.

 

If you are going to post maliciously towards another, please refrain yourself.

 

Thanks.

[Guest themotherinlaw]

1 John 1:6

If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

NKJV

 

2 Corinthians 6:14-18

Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?

16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."

17 Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."

18 'I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty."

NKJV

 

John 12:46-49

I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him — the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command,

NKJV

 

1 John 2:6

He (Kevin Khlyst) who says he abides in Him (Jesus) ought himself also to walk just as He (Jesus) walked.

NKJV

 

Romans 8:27

And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God's own will.

 

Psalms 34:14

14 Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.

NKJV

 

Psalms 133:1

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brethren to dwell together in unity!

NKJV

 

2 Corinthians 13:11

11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Become complete. Be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.

NKJV

 

Ephesians 5:11

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

NKJV

 

 

Ezekiel 36:27

I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

NKJV

 

John 3:20-21

20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

NKJV

seekingtruth1, these are some pretty good verses yet none mention temporary participation being ok like you teach I would like to read what you found.

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

steadfast:

 

I do grow weary of you

 

What defines participation?

 

My physical presence is participation?

 

Again this is coming from you who isn't regularly going to a Bible teaching Church and left his wife without Biblical cause

[seeking_truth_1 0]

By the way steadfast...

 

If we were to apply your "logic" no Christian would ever go anywhere and witness to anyone

 

Your neighbors and the people at your grocery store are potentially "pagans" so you cannot go there

 

You would not go to a family member's funeral because there are "pagans" there too?

 

Perhaps in your case they wouldn't want to see you anyways so it's a win-win

 

Jesus went to the Temple as did Paul and others

 

Are they "going to Hell" because they "participated"

 

You wouldn't go on a missions trip to places like Haiti and South America because many in those countries practice voodoo and witchcraft

 

And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. (Mark 16:15 NKJV)

 

Get a clue and get over yourself

[Guest mud_paddie]

If we were to apply your "logic" no Christian would ever go anywhere and witness to anyone

 

Your neighbors and the people at your grocery store are potentially "pagans" so you cannot go there

 

You would not go to a family member's funeral because there are "pagans" there too?

 

Perhaps in your case they wouldn't want to see you anyways so it's a win-win

 

Jesus went to the Temple as did Paul and others

 

Are they "going to Hell" because they "participated"

 

You wouldn't go on a missions trip to places like Haiti and South America because many in those countries practice voodoo and witchcraft

 

And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. (Mark 16:15 NKJV)

 

Get a clue and get over yourself

Did the Apostles ever worship in the pagan temples?

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Let's ask this question

 

Were the Apostles ever in a pagan temple or gathering places?

 

Such as

 

Mars Hill

Memphis

Various Jewish Temples

[Guest themotherinlaw]

Did the Apostles ever worship in the pagan temples? Need Bible location.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Again...

 

Let's ask this question

 

Were the Apostles ever in a pagan temple or gathering places?

 

Such as

 

Mars Hill

Memphis

Various Jewish Temples

[Guest themotherinlaw]

Seeking I'm not sure what you are saying here, you are calling someone a hypocrite I think???

 

CAN'T GO

What is being done? Your participation screams the same question What exactly does it take? Would you leave if they invoked the name of satan? How about allah? OR Would you stay for the meal to catch up with old friends? YOU SIR, ARE A HYPOCRITE.

 

CAN GO

I sit quietly in the corner and pray for protection and opportunities as the Lord would bring

 

CAN'T GO

ALL MOLOKANS who attend ANY molokan "church" that has the extra book should be EXACTLY like fourvetta and STOP calling themselves Christians There is NO MIDDLE GROUND FOR A TRUE CHRISTIAN

 

CAN GO

I AM THERE to be a light in an otherwise dark place to family and friend who the Lord has not removed the blinders from

 

CAN'T GO

Many thought I was too "radical" by overtly stating molokanism is not Christianity and those who truly know the Truth HAVE NO PLACE PARTICIPATING IN ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CULT

 

CAN GO

It would appear that they will periodically attend a molokan church too. Do they have liberty to do so...yes. I TOO HAVE DONE SO TO SUPPORET FAMILY & FRIENDS.

 

CAN'T GO

The deception is clear yet there are people who believe they can participate in the occult AND still think they are a "christian" SCRIPTURE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THIS

 

CAN GO

AT A RECENT FUNERAL I was told (in advance) by a punk they were going to set me straight I was there out of respect for the family because I have liberty to do so

 

CAN'T GO

I VIEW ATTENDING A MOLOKAN CULT SERVICE LIKE GOING TO ANY OTHER CULT SERVICE like mormons, jw's or church of satan

 

CAN GO

I SIT QUIETLY IN THE CORNER and pray for protection and opportunities as the Lord would bring

 

CAN'T GO

AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE, SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR ABOUT THE CALL TO COME OUT FROM AMONG PAGANS. Did you have a meal with these people? Not participating includes every aspect of their "service". According to Scripture, it really is that simple.

 

CAN GO

I AM THERE to be a light in an otherwise dark place to family and friend who the Lord has not removed the blinders from

 

CAN'T GO

The deception is clear yet THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE CULT AND STILL THINK THEY ARE "CHRISTIAN" SCRIPTURE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THIS

 

CAN GO

AT A RECENT FUNERAL I was told (in advance) by a punk they were going to set me straight I was there out of respect for the family because I have liberty to do so

 

 

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

You obviously hang on the words you want to but when it applies to you it's a different story

 

Nice...

 

So did Jesus "participate" in the Temple?

Did Paul "participate" at Mars Hill?

 

You're so very bitter and yet you cannot see that

 

You cannot differentiate between the sin and the sinner because you have no love for anyone

 

You're as bad as the legalist you allegedly come out against

[Guest breaking my heart]

Also, I could not lead my children into going to a place that IS NOT HEALTHY for their future.By my attendance to the cult of molokan new israel, I am leading my kids in that way, and leading them to a place that is NOT CHRISTIAN. As a father and husband, I want to disciple my children and attend a Church that is Christian, attend a Church that is NOT Racist, attend a Church that stands on Scripture, a Church that teaches and encourages and rebukes and reproofs with Scripture.

 

are you talking about the UMCA and Milikoi where you were raised, and your siblings and extended family? how pathetic. you need psychological help. I have never read such a nauseous statement in my life as this one coming from someone who evolved from a Molokan church.

 

what are you doing today? and next Friday? and the week after?

 

what does your new associates feel about christians in war? better keep your trap shut on that subject. Do they have a USA flag in their church?

 

do families of many generations attend together? No I bet, just the American nuclear family.

 

when you eat with these new people, do you really eat whatever they serve? Or do you let them know what you eat ahead of time? And do you take bread and wine communion with them on Easter?

 

[lastinline 0]

what does your new associates feel about christians in war? better keep your trap shut on that subject. Do they have a USA flag in their church?

And do you take bread and wine communion with them on Easter?

Your heart is far too hard to break??

 

Spoken like a true blue-blood, showing true love for your neighbor? Or, I guess you happened to miss that commandment of my Lord God? What exactly did my Lord God turn that water into, when HE did HIS first miracle at that wedding He attended? Did you miss that? Or, is it as I suppose, you are a Biblical illiterate, with a hatred of the Gospel and Christ's Lordship?

 

Are you one of these teachers that My Lord refers to here or merely a mgr devotee with an axe to grind?

 

Matthew 23: 27 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. NLT

 

Матфея 23: 27 Горе вам, книжники и фарисеи, лицемеры, что уподобляетесь окрашенным гробам, которые снаружи кажутся красивыми, а внутри полны костей мертвых и всякой нечистоты; RUSV

 

lastinline (& not ashamed of the Gospel, Romans 1:16)

[Guest El Scorcho Grande]

Also, I could not lead my children into going to a place that IS NOT HEALTHY for their future.By my attendance to the cult of molokan new israel, I am leading my kids in that way, and leading them to a place that is NOT CHRISTIAN. As a father and husband, I want to disciple my children and attend a Church that is Christian, attend a Church that is NOT Racist, attend a Church that stands on Scripture, a Church that teaches and encourages and rebukes and reproofs with Scripture.

 

are you talking about the UMCA and Milikoi where you were raised, and your siblings and extended family? how pathetic. you need psychological help. I have never read such a nauseous statement in my life as this one coming from someone who evolved from a Molokan church.

 

what are you doing today? and next Friday? and the week after?

 

what does your new associates feel about christians in war? better keep your trap shut on that subject. Do they have a USA flag in their church?

 

do families of many generations attend together? No I bet, just the American nuclear family.

 

when you eat with these new people, do you really eat whatever they serve? Or do you let them know what you eat ahead of time? And do you take bread and wine communion with them on Easter?

 

When your church sings songs and gives praise, to Maxcim instead of Jesus do you sing aong?

 

When your church turns it's back on the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and treats other Christians as Nenash and unworthy do you happily do the same?

 

When your church follows some (but not all) of the food laws in the Bible, expecting that this will gain them salvation instead of faith in Jesus Christ do you enjoy your lapsha all the more.

 

When your church leads your children away from Jesus Christ, and points them to their forefathers amd Maxcim instead does this please you?

 

No church is perfect, but don't let that stop you from looking at your own church (wherever that may be) and asking yourself, does this teaching match up with scripture, does this example square with the teachings and example of our Lord Jesus Christ?

[Guest mud_paddie]

what does your new associates feel about christians in war? better keep your trap shut on that subject. Do they have a USA flag in their church?

Your molokan church hangs flags, what can you tell me about them?

 

when you eat with these new people, do you really eat whatever they serve?

Does that include spiritual food to?

 

Or do you let them know what you eat ahead of time? And do you take bread and wine communion with them on Easter?

Molokan Communion during paska, sure you do, no wine though, sends some front rowers off on a toot, then you don't see them for a few weeks! Bless their big red noses.

 

[Guest makes a heart sick]

are you talking about the UMCA and Milikoi where you were raised, and your siblings and extended family? how pathetic. you need psychological help. I have never read such a nauseous statement in my life as this one coming from someone who evolved from a Molokan church.

 

what are you doing today? and next Friday? and the week after?

 

what does your new associates feel about christians in war? better keep your trap shut on that subject. Do they have a USA flag in their church?

 

do families of many generations attend together? No I bet, just the American nuclear family.

 

when you eat with these new people, do you really eat whatever they serve? Or do you let them know what you eat ahead of time? And do you take bread and wine communion with them on Easter?

Your heart is not breaking.

What are you doing today and next Frday and the week after? Showing up for Blowing of the Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and Kusha all nice and dressed in white to go through the motions? Why are you going or do you know the meanings of these holydays? Do you ask for forgiveness with a truly humble heart? Do you reciprocate when your brothers or sisters in Christ ask the same of you, or do you go back to being a hard hearted concieted person the next day or week? Are you better than everybody else? You are powered by your own self satisfaction and your heart is not breaking. Your heart is arrogant and self important.

It makes a heart sick knowing that there are so many more people out there like you. Find some humility and kindness for your own sake and for the sake of others around you. Ask Jesus Christ to help you with this.

[lastinline 0]

Bless their big red noses.

This cannot be disputed!!

 

Matthew 23: 27 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. NLT

 

Матфея 23: 27 Горе вам, книжники и фарисеи, лицемеры, что уподобляетесь окрашенным гробам, которые снаружи кажутся красивыми, а внутри полны костей мертвых и всякой нечистоты; RUSV

 

lastinline (& with NO axe to grind)

 

 

 

[stevepiv 0]

"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent." ~ John Calvin

 

[sanctified 0]

"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent." ~ John Calvin

 

 

God doesnt need us to defend Him....He calls us to walk in Christs light...Meaning Christs compassion.....Loving all who we come across through Christs heart.....Our battle is not against flesh and blood, Ephesians 6: 12 exact quote: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places....

 

A coward is someone denying to do what God is commanding them to do....Meaning that you dont do what you are asked and are not trusting God or walking in faith.....and then walking away to what you are called to do...thats being a coward...but even though Christ is still with us...never leaving us or forsaking us....

 

I would remain silent and still until the Holy Spirit leads me....even then I would test the spirit,even my own.....

 

Steven......I would love to have some Chi with you..or coffee.....soon...whenever you are available.

 

please get me your email adress then phone so we can talk....I would really love that bro.....

 

have a blessed day.....

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Pishki too?

[stevepiv 0]

"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent." ~ John Calvin

 

 

God doesnt need us to defend Him....He calls us to walk in Christs light...Meaning Christs compassion.....Loving all who we come across through Christs heart.....Our battle is not against flesh and blood, Ephesians 6: 12 exact quote: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places....

 

A coward is someone denying to do what God is commanding them to do....Meaning that you dont do what you are asked and are not trusting God or walking in faith.....and then walking away to what you are called to do...thats being a coward...but even though Christ is still with us...never leaving us or forsaking us....

 

I would remain silent and still until the Holy Spirit leads me....even then I would test the spirit,even my own.....

 

Steven......I would love to have some Chi with you..or coffee.....soon...whenever you are available.

 

please get me your email adress then phone so we can talk....I would really love that bro.....

 

have a blessed day.....

 

God tells us through His Word to "earnestly contend for the Faith".

 

Why would you, if you are a Christian, "wait" to speak the Truth in Love?

 

There is an Absolute Truth and That is God. His Word is Absolute Truth.

 

We need to defend The Truth, with God's Word, NOT our own. But by THE WORD OF GOD.

 

Most people don't want to speak up for the Truth and the Proclamation of The Gospel. God's Word is Inspired "God Breathed" and the command is there to stand against the wicked lies of this world and the wicked lies of false religion and doctrinal error.

 

When speaking the Truth it MUST be done in LOVE. But, even when doing that, people will still get upset and offended and even hate the Truth, and it ALL goes back to the depravity of man and the sin that has control over the unsaved.

 

An unregenerate loves their sin, more than they love God. And, a false convert loves the "god" they have created, and they despise a God of Absolute Truth, they despise a God that is Holy Holy Holy and that will Punish sin. They despise a God that calls us to forsake EVERYTHING, and FOLLOW HIM ALONE.

 

Read the 3 letters of John, these letters were in regards to major errors and false teachers that arose and were spreading heresy and lies.

 

If a person comes up with a "new revelation" or a "new pathway" and it is contradictory to Scripture, a Christian should speak up and contend for the Faith.

 

Again, read the five solas ,here is the link:

 

LINK TO THE FIVE SOLAS

 

And, you are right, Christ is Always with the Believer.

 

If you want to get together sometime, send me an e-mail. If you know me, you should have my e-mail or know what business I am in to contact me.

 

Thanks.

 

And, you have a blessed day.

 

I can't call you my brother until I know where you Doctrinally stand.

 

[Guest guest]

"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent." ~ John Calvin

 

 

God doesnt need us to defend Him....He calls us to walk in Christs light...Meaning Christs compassion.....Loving all who we come across through Christs heart.....Our battle is not against flesh and blood, Ephesians 6: 12 exact quote: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places....

 

A coward is someone denying to do what God is commanding them to do....Meaning that you dont do what you are asked and are not trusting God or walking in faith.....and then walking away to what you are called to do...thats being a coward...but even though Christ is still with us...never leaving us or forsaking us....

 

I would remain silent and still until the Holy Spirit leads me....even then I would test the spirit,even my own.....

 

Steven......I would love to have some Chi with you..or coffee.....soon...whenever you are available.

 

please get me your email adress then phone so we can talk....I would really love that bro.....

 

have a blessed day.....

 

God tells us through His Word to "earnestly contend for the Faith".

 

Why would you, if you are a Christian, "wait" to speak the Truth in Love?

 

There is an Absolute Truth and That is God. His Word is Absolute Truth.

 

We need to defend The Truth, with God's Word, NOT our own. But by THE WORD OF GOD.

 

Most people don't want to speak up for the Truth and the Proclamation of The Gospel. God's Word is Inspired "God Breathed" and the command is there to stand against the wicked lies of this world and the wicked lies of false religion and doctrinal error.

 

When speaking the Truth it MUST be done in LOVE. But, even when doing that, people will still get upset and offended and even hate the Truth, and it ALL goes back to the depravity of man and the sin that has control over the unsaved.

 

An unregenerate loves their sin, more than they love God. And, a false convert loves the "god" they have created, and they despise a God of Absolute Truth, they despise a God that is Holy Holy Holy and that will Punish sin. They despise a God that calls us to forsake EVERYTHING, and FOLLOW HIM ALONE.

 

Read the 3 letters of John, these letters were in regards to major errors and false teachers that arose and were spreading heresy and lies.

 

If a person comes up with a "new revelation" or a "new pathway" and it is contradictory to Scripture, a Christian should speak up and contend for the Faith.

 

Again, read the five solas ,here is the link:

 

LINK TO THE FIVE SOLAS

 

And, you are right, Christ is Always with the Believer.

 

If you want to get together sometime, send me an e-mail. If you know me, you should have my e-mail or know what business I am in to contact me.

 

Thanks.

 

And, you have a blessed day.

 

I can't call you my brother until I know where you Doctrinally stand.

 

 

Steve what do you mean by your last statement....doesn't the sick need a doctor....so why would you not talk to him if he is reaching out. I am

a ex molokan who felllowships at a calvary and woulod never turn back a person based on where he stands doctrinally. I have reached out to many who differ

than me......?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

What did he say wrong...?

 

I agree you cannot call someone a "Brother in the Lord" until you know where they stand doctrinally

 

That's not turning your back on someone

 

That is determining who is your "Brother in the Lord" and who is not

 

Many molokans mistakenly use the term "brother" but it does not necessarily mean "Brother in the Lord"

 

How can they be your Christian Brother if they do not know the Truth

 

Steve what do you mean by your last statement....doesn't the sick need a doctor....so why would you not talk to him if he is reaching out. I am

a ex molokan who felllowships at a calvary and woulod never turn back a person based on where he stands doctrinally. I have reached out to many who differ

than me......?

[stevepiv 0]

[quote name='sanctified'

I can't call you my brother until I know where you Doctrinally stand.

 

Steve what do you mean by your last statement....doesn't the sick need a doctor....so why would you not talk to him if he is reaching out. I am

a ex molokan who felllowships at a calvary and woulod never turn back a person based on where he stands doctrinally. I have reached out to many who differ

than me......?

 

Who said I am turning my back on that person?

 

I don't know the beliefs of that person, nor do I know who they are. Why would I acknowledge them as my Brother or Sister in the Lord until I ask what that person believes?

 

Thanks for your response.

[Guest Paul W. Orloff]

This reply is for you comprimisers who know better~

 

I want you all to take note of this. Please don't share with me about all the stuff you disagreed with the last time you went to a xctini or pominki or anything. If you were there- You too were no different! Maybe worse- as you know better.

 

A time will come unless I pass before my Mom and Pop, when I have to obey God and refrain from going down on the Krugh to ask Almighty God for something that is worse then spitting on Jesus on the Cross. Molokans do rituals today repeatedly with no reverence to the real God. I can only ask them when they say they believe in God; "god who." They know not God nor does He know them. (I said Molokans- Not Christians).

 

I cannot, will not or am not going on a krugh to petition our Sovereign Lord in asking foolish requests such as "forgive the sins of a dead family member." I have several Non-Molokans relatives and a brother thankfully married to a Non-Molokans. I will stand with them and allow me to treated as they do. The racial Molokans cults of today treat Non- Molokans like the Jews treated the gentiles in the Bible. I am not a Molokans, so I lovingly will accept the gentile treatment of an outsider. They cannot kiss, give alms, go on the krugh, ask to be prayed for etc.. and I too am part of them and not the cultish blasphemer's, foolishness that goes on inside those walls and Praise God that He brought me out how and when He did and united my with His real family of Christians of all colors and races and social-economical levels. I love praying with the poor in spirit Homeless in the pits of the street, more than I do with rich Anti Christs.

 

Here is a bit of Scripture;

1 John 14-15

 

14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.

 

Pominkee asks foolish requests that ARE NOT according to His will. God neither hears nor grants such a blasphames thing!

 

I will be frank and to the point. If any person jumps in and out of going to Pominkee and Exctini and others gatherings where they know factually, man is being praised and king of spirits is being sung and jumped too, and that most of them on the front rows never have repented or even feel they need a Saviour, Scripture should scare the c r a p out of you, and then scare you (and family if you have) out the doors an never looking back. It's real scary stuff!

 

Comprimising has got to be the most God-Angering think I can think of!

 

Jesus Christ REALLY did die for you and I and only Once and for all. Not week-after week after week. It is Finished, done-No more. He is the ONLY Truth, path, door, key, ladder, street, direction, whatever. When a person asks another person to ask God to ask for forgivness of another dead person. That is saying that that person DOES NOT beleive in Jesus Christ. Not as diety, not as anything accept a created thing which is an Idol. If you can partake next to people that should know better while they glorify man and themselves asking thier god to do things that are such foolishness, you are showing you agree with them. When others see you in the krugh you are one with the others in that Krugh. You look the same, act the same etc... You can still ask for all you want or things you feel proper, but the man appointed minister over-rides you and then prayed to his god in his own way. You dont go to a bar and buy rounds while you minister to people. Going to a supposed house of God to partake is WORSE then a bar. Jesus would love them in the bars and in the Molokan churches He would overturn the tables so fast and hard! He would have 5-6 rows, but He would still overturn each and everyone of them and never return.

 

I pray that people everywhere do not take my word for it or assume I am right as simple as they do the false elders. My prayer is that you just take a Bible and pray to God to show how wrong you are for partaking in comprimisation in the worst way.

 

I am only man who repeatdly screws up, who knows and Loves Jesus Christ and the path He has set forth. When I sin and do a stupid thing, I try as hard as I can to picture ME on that cross! But, I cannot see me as I see the most loving Gift possible up there.I see Him being spit on and mocked. I see Him being crucified. I see Jesus sweating Blood.! . I see him being put in the tomb. I see Him ressurecting. THANK YOU GOD!! I COULD HAVE NEVER DONE IT ON MY OWN! Once I gave up and finally asked God, why am I such a stupid man who cannot do anything right and please show me what I need to do as I have been spending a life trying to figure it out and following religious people and I am ready to give up and please forgive me for being such a jerk, THEN, I started to feel peacsfull slowly and I was able to understand so many things with The Holy Spirit. It took time, but eventually, the most awesome thing was revealed; I had to do NOTHING! Jesus Christ allready did it all! I am sad for the way Molokans act towards me and others but thankful to know thats what comes with Loving the Lord and doing His work. As time goes on it eases up and I am full of joy when I hear a person or family was called out of thier Molokan church. God cannot see anyone in there and it's a dark place when the lights are shining at thier fullest.

 

If you are feeling pushed into going to a Pominkee- Don't go inside. Thats' sin in its deepest form! It's asking God to forget about His Son and listen to the people on the Krugh. Dont go to please friends or family. If you are inside-look up and try to picture God staring at you fiercly while you ask Him to forget Jesus as The Lamb and listen to mans foolish petitions. If you go kissing, look deep into the eyes of every elder there that you know is not a Christian.

 

If you can do all this with a clean heart. Then perhaps God is nowhere around? 2-3 gathered in the names of forfathers is a sign of Jesus not in the midst. People raising thier hands and jumping during a anti-Scrptural song and song about the king of spirits means the Holy Spirit is not there. God is not there! Flee!

 

Jeremiah 11

1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2 “Hear the words of this covenant, and speak to the men of Judah and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem; 3 and say to them, ‘Thus says the LORD God of Israel: “Cursed is the man who does not obey the words of this covenant 4 which I commanded your fathers in the day I brought them out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and do according to all that I command you; so shall you be My people, and I will be your God,’ 5 that I may establish the oath which I have sworn to your fathers, to give them ‘a land flowing with milk and honey,’[a] as it is this day.”’”

And I answered and said, “So be it, LORD.”

6 Then the LORD said to me, “Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying: ‘Hear the words of this covenant and do them. 7 For I earnestly exhorted your fathers in the day I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, until this day, rising early and exhorting, saying, “Obey My voice.” 8 Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but everyone followed the dictates of his evil heart; therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do, but which they have not done.’”

9 And the LORD said to me, “A conspiracy has been found among the men of Judah and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 10 They have turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers who refused to hear My words, and they have gone after other gods to serve them; the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken My covenant which I made with their fathers.”

11 Therefore thus says the LORD: “Behold, I will surely bring calamity on them which they will not be able to escape; and though they cry out to Me, I will not listen to them. 12 Then the cities of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem will go and cry out to the gods to whom they offer incense, but they will not save them at all in the time of their trouble. 13 For according to the number of your cities were your gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem you have set up altars to that shameful thing, altars to burn incense to Baal.

14 “So do not pray for this people, or lift up a cry or prayer for them; for I will not hear them in the time that they cry out to Me because of their trouble. 15 “ What has My beloved to do in My house,

Having done lewd deeds with many?

And the holy flesh has passed from you.

When you do evil, then you rejoice.

16 The LORD called your name,

Green Olive Tree, Lovely and of Good Fruit.

With the noise of a great tumult

He has kindled fire on it,

And its branches are broken.

 

17 “For the LORD of hosts, who planted you, has pronounced doom against you for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke Me to anger in offering incense to Baal.”

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

This reply is for you comprimisers who know better~

 

I want you all to take note of this. Please don't share with me about all the stuff you disagreed with the last time you went to a xctini or pominki or anything. If you were there- You too were no different! Maybe worse- as you know better.

 

A time will come unless I pass before my Mom and Pop, when I have to obey God and refrain from going down on the Krugh to ask Almighty God for something that is worse then spitting on Jesus on the Cross. Molokans do rituals today repeatedly with no reverence to the real God. I can only ask them when they say they believe in God; "god who." They know not God nor does He know them. (I said Molokans- Not Christians).

 

I cannot, will not or am not going on a krugh to petition our Sovereign Lord in asking foolish requests such as "forgive the sins of a dead family member." I have several Non-Molokans relatives and a brother thankfully married to a Non-Molokans. I will stand with them and allow me to treated as they do. The racial Molokans cults of today treat Non- Molokans like the Jews treated the gentiles in the Bible. I am not a Molokans, so I lovingly will accept the gentile treatment of an outsider. They cannot kiss, give alms, go on the krugh, ask to be prayed for etc.. and I too am part of them and not the cultish blasphemer's, foolishness that goes on inside those walls and Praise God that He brought me out how and when He did and united my with His real family of Christians of all colors and races and social-economical levels. I love praying with the poor in spirit Homeless in the pits of the street, more than I do with rich Anti Christs.

 

Here is a bit of Scripture;

1 John 14-15

 

14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.

 

Pominkee asks foolish requests that ARE NOT according to His will. God neither hears nor grants such a blasphames thing!

 

I will be frank and to the point. If any person jumps in and out of going to Pominkee and Exctini and others gatherings where they know factually, man is being praised and king of spirits is being sung and jumped too, and that most of them on the front rows never have repented or even feel they need a Saviour, Scripture should scare the c r a p out of you, and then scare you (and family if you have) out the doors an never looking back. It's real scary stuff!

 

Comprimising has got to be the most God-Angering think I can think of!

 

Jesus Christ REALLY did die for you and I and only Once and for all. Not week-after week after week. It is Finished, done-No more. He is the ONLY Truth, path, door, key, ladder, street, direction, whatever. When a person asks another person to ask God to ask for forgivness of another dead person. That is saying that that person DOES NOT beleive in Jesus Christ. Not as diety, not as anything accept a created thing which is an Idol. If you can partake next to people that should know better while they glorify man and themselves asking thier god to do things that are such foolishness, you are showing you agree with them. When others see you in the krugh you are one with the others in that Krugh. You look the same, act the same etc... You can still ask for all you want or things you feel proper, but the man appointed minister over-rides you and then prayed to his god in his own way. You dont go to a bar and buy rounds while you minister to people. Going to a supposed house of God to partake is WORSE then a bar. Jesus would love them in the bars and in the Molokan churches He would overturn the tables so fast and hard! He would have 5-6 rows, but He would still overturn each and everyone of them and never return.

 

I pray that people everywhere do not take my word for it or assume I am right as simple as they do the false elders. My prayer is that you just take a Bible and pray to God to show how wrong you are for partaking in comprimisation in the worst way.

 

I am only man who repeatdly screws up, who knows and Loves Jesus Christ and the path He has set forth. When I sin and do a stupid thing, I try as hard as I can to picture ME on that cross! But, I cannot see me as I see the most loving Gift possible up there.I see Him being spit on and mocked. I see Him being crucified. I see Jesus sweating Blood.! . I see him being put in the tomb. I see Him ressurecting. THANK YOU GOD!! I COULD HAVE NEVER DONE IT ON MY OWN! Once I gave up and finally asked God, why am I such a stupid man who cannot do anything right and please show me what I need to do as I have been spending a life trying to figure it out and following religious people and I am ready to give up and please forgive me for being such a jerk, THEN, I started to feel peacsfull slowly and I was able to understand so many things with The Holy Spirit. It took time, but eventually, the most awesome thing was revealed; I had to do NOTHING! Jesus Christ allready did it all! I am sad for the way Molokans act towards me and others but thankful to know thats what comes with Loving the Lord and doing His work. As time goes on it eases up and I am full of joy when I hear a person or family was called out of thier Molokan church. God cannot see anyone in there and it's a dark place when the lights are shining at thier fullest.

 

If you are feeling pushed into going to a Pominkee- Don't go inside. Thats' sin in its deepest form! It's asking God to forget about His Son and listen to the people on the Krugh. Dont go to please friends or family. If you are inside-look up and try to picture God staring at you fiercly while you ask Him to forget Jesus as The Lamb and listen to mans foolish petitions. If you go kissing, look deep into the eyes of every elder there that you know is not a Christian.

 

If you can do all this with a clean heart. Then perhaps God is nowhere around? 2-3 gathered in the names of forfathers is a sign of Jesus not in the midst. People raising thier hands and jumping during a anti-Scrptural song and song about the king of spirits means the Holy Spirit is not there. God is not there! Flee!

 

Jeremiah 11

1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2 “Hear the words of this covenant, and speak to the men of Judah and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem; 3 and say to them, ‘Thus says the LORD God of Israel: “Cursed is the man who does not obey the words of this covenant 4 which I commanded your fathers in the day I brought them out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and do according to all that I command you; so shall you be My people, and I will be your God,’ 5 that I may establish the oath which I have sworn to your fathers, to give them ‘a land flowing with milk and honey,’[a] as it is this day.”’”

And I answered and said, “So be it, LORD.”

6 Then the LORD said to me, “Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying: ‘Hear the words of this covenant and do them. 7 For I earnestly exhorted your fathers in the day I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, until this day, rising early and exhorting, saying, “Obey My voice.” 8 Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but everyone followed the dictates of his evil heart; therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do, but which they have not done.’”

9 And the LORD said to me, “A conspiracy has been found among the men of Judah and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 10 They have turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers who refused to hear My words, and they have gone after other gods to serve them; the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken My covenant which I made with their fathers.”

11 Therefore thus says the LORD: “Behold, I will surely bring calamity on them which they will not be able to escape; and though they cry out to Me, I will not listen to them. 12 Then the cities of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem will go and cry out to the gods to whom they offer incense, but they will not save them at all in the time of their trouble. 13 For according to the number of your cities were your gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem you have set up altars to that shameful thing, altars to burn incense to Baal.

14 “So do not pray for this people, or lift up a cry or prayer for them; for I will not hear them in the time that they cry out to Me because of their trouble. 15 “ What has My beloved to do in My house,

Having done lewd deeds with many?

And the holy flesh has passed from you.

When you do evil, then you rejoice.

16 The LORD called your name,

Green Olive Tree, Lovely and of Good Fruit.

With the noise of a great tumult

He has kindled fire on it,

And its branches are broken.

 

17 “For the LORD of hosts, who planted you, has pronounced doom against you for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke Me to anger in offering incense to Baal.”

 

I am mended by my sickness, enriched by my poverty, and strengthened by my weakness.... Thus was it with.... Manasseh, when he was in affliction, "He besought the Lord his God": even that king's iron was more precious to him than his gold, his jail a more happy lodging than his palace, Babylon a better school than Jerusalem. What fools are we, then, to frown upon our afflictions! These, how crabbed soever, are our best friends. They are not indeed for our pleasure, they are for our profit.

Abraham Wright

 

 

 

 

[Guest Anti Apostate]

This reply is for you comprimisers who know better~

 

I want you all to take note of this. Please don't share with me about all the stuff you disagreed with the last time you went to a xctini or pominki or anything. If you were there- You too were no different! Maybe worse- as you know better.

 

A time will come unless I pass before my Mom and Pop, when I have to obey God and refrain from going down on the Krugh to ask Almighty God for something that is worse then spitting on Jesus on the Cross. Molokans do rituals today repeatedly with no reverence to the real God. I can only ask them when they say they believe in God; "god who." They know not God nor does He know them. (I said Molokans- Not Christians).

 

I cannot, will not or am not going on a krugh to petition our Sovereign Lord in asking foolish requests such as "forgive the sins of a dead family member."

 

 

And yet, when your brother committed suicide, you were upset when your church would not have a "Pomniki".

 

What you don't understand, is that every time one partakes in the body and blood of Jesus Christ, he is doing it in remembrance of Him. 1 Corinthians 11

 

A Pomniki for Christ, as it were.

 

 

 

We do this in reverence for all of our dead who die in the Lord as commanded. In doing so, we have reverence for God. For we are all alike, made in the image of God, in Spirit, structure, movement, body and soul.

 

20. THE DEAD we all bury in a becoming manner, and always accompany them to the gates of the cemetery with the singing of psalms.

21. And there we lay all the righteous into the dust of the earth with spiritual prayers of reverence, and have a memorial dinner after the funeral, and not with smoking frankincense and a priest's tobacco howling.

 

Have you nor read in Acts 7 and 8, how the Godly men buried Stephen and mourned deeply for him?

 

[Guest Paul W. Orloff]

10 years ago I was not a Christian and far from it. I was VERY disappointed in the idea that because John took his life Blue Top Elders told us to just "throw" John's name in when the family could ask for all other relatives. It was stupid is what it was. It was offensive, as no focus could be on John. At that time I was mad at that. At that time, I thought the worse a sinner the more prayer and I wondered why the Three pominkees would be done for the Self Righteous. Now i see that stuff is such a joke and God is storing up anger no doubt.

 

I no were, once said I even asked for the sins of any of my relatives to be forgiven. My petition was not even heard and was all direct toward what was on my heart about my brother. I didn't even understand the foolishness of all that asking and asking back then. I didn't even say any of the memorized stuff because it was foolish how they made our family do it. Again, this was 10 years ago. I partook in doings to the best I could back then because I thought it was ok. I repented from all that sin.

 

Also, Where in Acts (Any Chapters) does it talk about asking forgiveness of a dead persons sins? You are missing the point big time and showing why this garbage goes on.

 

As far as mourning for my Brother John? I and my family mourned a great deal for a long time. That's natural. I didn't mourn because the Bible says too. It's a rough time. Anyone who has lost a family member especially prematurely knows the hurt. You mourn because it's what happens naturally.

 

You are really very far off.

 

Sure there is nothing wrong with gathering and remembering a loved one who died. We remember John all the time. He would have been 50 November 9th. We do that at times just in casual talk. But to ask forgiveness of sins?? Why can you not see the wrong? And then again the next year. And at doings. I thought the extini was supposed to seal the child's name in the book of life (Very un-Scriptural) but what a life to live having no clue if one is saved or not and repeatedly trying to please God by doing un Godly doings to ask Him something He doesn't even hear?

 

Can I ask you one question? Or two?

 

What does Jesus's death mean to you? What are you thinking about when you petition God to ask Him to forgive the sins of a dead person? You can't have both

 

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We need to defend The Truth, with God's Word, NOT our own. But by THE WORD OF GOD.

 

Most people don't want to speak up for the Truth and the Proclamation of The Gospel. God's Word is Inspired "God Breathed" and the command is there to stand against the wicked lies of this world and the wicked lies of false religion and doctrinal error.

 

When speaking the Truth it MUST be done in LOVE. But, even when doing that, people will still get upset and offended and even hate the Truth, and it ALL goes back to the depravity of man and the sin that has control over the unsaved.

 

An unregenerate loves their sin, more than they love God. And, a false convert loves the "god" they have created, and they despise a God of Absolute Truth, they despise a God that is Holy Holy Holy and that will Punish sin. They despise a God that calls us to forsake EVERYTHING, and FOLLOW HIM ALONE.

 

Read the 3 letters of John, these letters were in regards to major errors and false teachers that arose and were spreading heresy and lies.

 

If a person comes up with a "new revelation" or a "new pathway" and it is contradictory to Scripture, a Christian should speak up and contend for the Faith.

 

Again, read the five solas ,here is the link:

 

LINK TO THE FIVE SOLAS

 

And, you are right, Christ is Always with the Believer.

 

If you want to get together sometime, send me an e-mail. If you know me, you should have my e-mail or know what business I am in to contact me.

 

Thanks.

 

And, you have a blessed day.

 

I can't call you my brother until I know where you Doctrinally stand.

 

HEY BRO ( I can call you bro, since Christ is in me and never leaves me)(and since that is Gods promise)( I can call you my BRO IN CHRIST because never left you either) for scripture says that if you cant love your brother who you do see, How can you love the Lord our God who we dont see?)

So, I love you also bro.......

 

ANY WAYS YOU WILL LOVE THIS WORD OUT OF 2CORINTHIANS 10:4-5 AND THE EXPANATION THAT GOES WITH IT THAT WILL SUPPORT STANDING AT ALL TIMES AGAINST ANY OPPOSING THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST...WHICH IS SUPPORTED IN (2 corinthians 10:6..(praise and joy,Ok here we go)

 

v.4 for the weapons of our our warefare are not carnal, but mighty throught GOD pulling down of

strongholds;

v.5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of GOD, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ...

v.6 and having in readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fullfilled...

 

4 great Conquests of Spiritual Weapons:

 

1) DESTRUCTIONS OF STRONGHOLDS-----------------We destroy reasonings of pagan philosphers and Jewish rabbis and their dogmas that nullify the word of God and the facts of the Gospel. These fortifications we pull down and demolish. We put to flight the demon powers and the alien armies, raising the banner of the cross high on the field of battle......

 

2) CASTING DOWN IMAGINATIONS-------------------We demolish all theories, reasonings, and any high system of ethics,RELIGION,mythology,metaphysics,sublime doctrines, or philosphy set forth to defy the knoledge of GOD (v.5) All the boasted gods,lords,sacrificial,and meditorial systems fell before the Gospel. The high-sounding phrases of Plato, Aristotle, the Stoics and even Judaism fell before the preaching of the Crucified and Risen Christ. Heathenism shrank before the Gospel and called on secular powers to defend it....

 

3) BRINGING CAPTIVITY EVERY THOUGHT TO THE OBEDIENCE OF CHRIST---------We take every thought prisoner and lead it into captivity to obey Christ(v.5). Lascivious, vain,and evil thoughts of all kinds are brought down and made obedient to His laws. That includes any thinking which is contary to the virtue,purity and righteousness...see matt: 15:19;mark 7:21-22; 1 corinthians 13:5; galat:5:19;Phil 4:8; Gen. 6:5: Prover 15:26; Isaih 55:7;59:7; jer 4:14

 

4) HAVING IN READINESS TO AVENGE ALL DISOBEDIENCE----------We stand at all times ready, so to speak,tocourt-martial any opposing the GOSPEL OF CHRIST, After seperating ourselves from them (v.6). The whole picture here is that of a strong fortified city where the enemy makes his last stand: entrenching hinself about the walls: raising towers and preparing engines of defens and offense upon the walls to insure victory. The fortifications, walls,towers,and castles are taken by the GOSPEL and the whole opposition is destroyed and taken captive

 

I PRAY IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OF NAZERETH THAT THE FIRE AND LIGHT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IGNITE THE HEARTS OF WHOEVER READ THIS WITH WISDOM,KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING,,,AND ALSO LORD THAT THERE HEARTS ARE FILLED WITH GODLY PASSIONS AND DESIRES AND THE COMPASSION OF CHRIST.....LOVING ALL WHO WE ARE AROUND THROUGH THE HEART OF CHRIST.....AMEN ALLELUYA (in agreement and all praise to YA (GOD)

 

One more quick question to all the Pappa's out there???? would there be for any reason, shape and form , reasons. ---that you would reject and throw away, cast out your child for doing something bad, destructive, etc....?????

 

(my answer as a poppa) is no.....no matter what! I would die for my child... And I LOVE THAT CHARACTERISTIC in me,,,,,,,(TEARS) because it comes from the one who made me..( JESUS CHRIST OF NAZERETH) and He proved it on the CROSS, for all of us, our children and future children forever.......That means all who accept Him as LORD.....

 

(which brings up another point) if there is just one person who is saved( just one) the Heavens Cheer and Roar 100 billion times louder then a Fresno State Game....

 

So, when you are dealing with the public or ones Lost in the religion of Molokanism,,,,Please call upon the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT....God knows that persons heart.....and knows how to use you to bring that person to CHRIST in HIS way----not ours......THE GOAL IS TO WIN SOULS!!!

NOT TO BLAST THEM BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN HURTS.....

 

WE PLANT SEEDS IN LOVE AND COMPASSION OF CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT GROWS THEM!!!!

 

AS OUR PAPPA IN HEAVEN SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO RECONCILE US WITH OUR FATHER......FOREVER

 

STAY IN HIS CHARACTERSICS! LOVE THE PERSON....HATE THE SIN

 

ephesians 6: 12 ------For we wrestle not against flesh and blood(pay attention to this), but against princilpalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places......

 

JUST REMEMBER WHO YOU WERE BEFORE YOU ACCEPTED CHRIST AND HIS LOVE, ITS NICE TO KNOW THAT HIS LOVE OVERCOMES ALL....PRAISE GOD THAT HE TOOK US OUT OF THE RELIGION

OF MOLOKANISM, AND PUT US ON HIS ROCK, WHICH IS WALKIN IN THE LIGHT OF CHRIST AND NOW ARE APART OF HIS ARMY TO WIN SOULS......IN LOVE AND COMPASSION ONLY CAN BE LED BY THE ( HOLY SPIRIT ) THE KEY IS------THAT LOVE OVERCOMES ALL AND OVERCAME IT BY JESUS CHRIST..........

 

REMEMBER COMPASSION.......STAY IN IT.....DONT EVER GET OUT OF IT.......

 

LOVE YOU MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST JESUS OF NAZERETH

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What did he say wrong...?

 

I agree you cannot call someone a "Brother in the Lord" until you know where they stand doctrinally

 

That's not turning your back on someone

 

That is determining who is your "Brother in the Lord" and who is not

 

Many molokans mistakenly use the term "brother" but it does not necessarily mean "Brother in the Lord"

 

How can they be your Christian Brother if they do not know the Truth

 

Steve what do you mean by your last statement....doesn't the sick need a doctor....so why would you not talk to him if he is reaching out. I am

a ex molokan who felllowships at a calvary and woulod never turn back a person based on where he stands doctrinally. I have reached out to many who differ

than me......?

 

 

 

THEY ARE YOUR BROTHER IN CHRIST.

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Members of the cult of molokanism ARE NOT my "Brothers in Christ" if they deny Christ and His plan for Salvation

 

What did he say wrong...?

 

I agree you cannot call someone a "Brother in the Lord" until you know where they stand doctrinally

 

That's not turning your back on someone

 

That is determining who is your "Brother in the Lord" and who is not

 

Many molokans mistakenly use the term "brother" but it does not necessarily mean "Brother in the Lord"

 

How can they be your Christian Brother if they do not know the Truth

 

Steve what do you mean by your last statement....doesn't the sick need a doctor....so why would you not talk to him if he is reaching out. I am

a ex molokan who felllowships at a calvary and woulod never turn back a person based on where he stands doctrinally. I have reached out to many who differ

than me......?

 

 

 

THEY ARE YOUR BROTHER IN CHRIST.

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Members of the cult of molokanism ARE NOT my "Brothers in Christ" if they deny Christ and His plan for Salvation

 

What did he say wrong...?

 

I agree you cannot call someone a "Brother in the Lord" until you know where they stand doctrinally

 

That's not turning your back on someone

 

That is determining who is your "Brother in the Lord" and who is not

 

Many molokans mistakenly use the term "brother" but it does not necessarily mean "Brother in the Lord"

 

How can they be your Christian Brother if they do not know the Truth

 

Steve what do you mean by your last statement....doesn't the sick need a doctor....so why would you not talk to him if he is reaching out. I am

a ex molokan who felllowships at a calvary and woulod never turn back a person based on where he stands doctrinally. I have reached out to many who differ

than me......?

 

 

 

THEY ARE YOUR BROTHER IN CHRIST.

PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT ROMANS 11 IS ALL ABOUT??? THANK YOU.....

 

WALK IN COMPASSION BRO.......ISNT THERE SOMEWHERE IN THE BIBLE WHERE IT SAYS TO PRAY FOR YOUR EMEMIES, AND ALSO ANOTHER AREA WHERE IT SAYS TO FEED YOUR ENEMIES???

DIDNT CHRIST GO TO NON BELIEVERS,FISHERMEN,PROSTITUTES,DEMON POSSESSED, AND OVERCAME THEM ALL WITH LOVE--COMPASION---

 

IF YOU CAN TURN THAT ZEAL YOU HAVE FOR CHRIST,AND JUST CALL UPON THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADING AND SHARE THE WORD WITH MOLOKANS WHO WOULD LISTEN AND PLANT SEEDS OF THE LIGHT OF CHRIST AND THEN THE HOLY SPIRIT WOULD GROW THEM...WOULDNT IT JUST BE WORTH IT TO SAVE SOULS FOR THE GLORY OF CHRIST........?????

 

WHAT DIRECTION DO YOU THINK CHRIST WANTS YOU IN???? BE CAREFUL NOT TO BE CURSING OTHERS WHO HAVE NOT WOKEN UP YET IN THE MOLOKAN BROTHERHOOD.....YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BLESSING ALL WHO YOU COME ACROSS.........

 

I PRAISE GOD THAT I WOKE UP FROM BEING INSIDE THE MOLOKAN CHURCH... NOW THAT I KNOW THE TRUTH-------I SHARE THE TRUTH TO ANY MOLOKAN I SEE AND ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADING AND PLANTING OF SEEDS.........ALL HAS TO BE DONE IN GENTLENESS, COMPASSION AND LOVE.......WIN SOULS BRO......AND THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ROARS FOR THE VICTORY OF SAVING JUST ONE SOUL.....JUST PRAY ON THIS BRO.....CHRIST WILL SHOW YOU THE REST

 

HAVE A HOLYSPIRIT FIRE AND LIGHT FILLED DAY.....BLESSINS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!

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You seem to confuse "molokan brotherhood" with Christian Brotherhood

 

They are not the same

 

Romans 11 does not make the statement non-Christians are my Brothers in the Lord so what is your point?

 

Sure we're supposed to pray for our enemies, but that does not make them Christians

 

27 "But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

28 "bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. (Luke 6:27-28)

 

Sure we're supposed to feed our enemies, but that does not make them Christians

 

Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." (Romans 12:20)

 

I'm certainly cannot sentence someone to Hell... However, based upon their fruit, or lack therein, you can get a idea where they stand

 

The core tenets are:

 

Who is Jesus

How is Salvation Secured

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

 

If we cannot agree on these (as Scripture establishes) they are not my Christian Brother

 

Christ was not always "warm and fuzzy" especially the religious "leaders" who were teaching the people incorrectly (See Matthew 23)

 

As to you being my "bro" frankly I'm not so sure

 

You say a Christian can be demon possessed so based upon that, you're not my "bro"

 

Your Jesus cannot save if that is the case

 

You also claim you attend a Calvary Chapel. That's not true so you've misrepresented yourself

 

As a side note, could you not use all CAPS?

 

PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT ROMANS 11 IS ALL ABOUT??? THANK YOU.....

 

WALK IN COMPASSION BRO.......ISNT THERE SOMEWHERE IN THE BIBLE WHERE IT SAYS TO PRAY FOR YOUR EMEMIES, AND ALSO ANOTHER AREA WHERE IT SAYS TO FEED YOUR ENEMIES???

DIDNT CHRIST GO TO NON BELIEVERS,FISHERMEN,PROSTITUTES,DEMON POSSESSED, AND OVERCAME THEM ALL WITH LOVE--COMPASION---

 

IF YOU CAN TURN THAT ZEAL YOU HAVE FOR CHRIST,AND JUST CALL UPON THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADING AND SHARE THE WORD WITH MOLOKANS WHO WOULD LISTEN AND PLANT SEEDS OF THE LIGHT OF CHRIST AND THEN THE HOLY SPIRIT WOULD GROW THEM...WOULDNT IT JUST BE WORTH IT TO SAVE SOULS FOR THE GLORY OF CHRIST........?????

 

WHAT DIRECTION DO YOU THINK CHRIST WANTS YOU IN???? BE CAREFUL NOT TO BE CURSING OTHERS WHO HAVE NOT WOKEN UP YET IN THE MOLOKAN BROTHERHOOD.....YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BLESSING ALL WHO YOU COME ACROSS.........

 

I PRAISE GOD THAT I WOKE UP FROM BEING INSIDE THE MOLOKAN CHURCH... NOW THAT I KNOW THE TRUTH-------I SHARE THE TRUTH TO ANY MOLOKAN I SEE AND ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADING AND PLANTING OF SEEDS.........ALL HAS TO BE DONE IN GENTLENESS, COMPASSION AND LOVE.......WIN SOULS BRO......AND THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ROARS FOR THE VICTORY OF SAVING JUST ONE SOUL.....JUST PRAY ON THIS BRO.....CHRIST WILL SHOW YOU THE REST

 

HAVE A HOLYSPIRIT FIRE AND LIGHT FILLED DAY.....BLESSINS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!