What Is a Non Cultist Molokan?

[Guest Guest]

Please don't bring out the errors in the Molokans of today in your response, as we already know that

 

 

As a non "cultist", I see (on this site) that you guys that keep thumping these "molokons" and "rudametkinites", WHY?????

 

It seems to me that you were not happy there and stopped going to "regular" meetings.

 

As being a "outsider" looking in, YOU HAVE NOT LEFT, JUST NOT HAPPY WITH YOUR LOT!

 

I enjoy this site- except for the non-Christian behaviour from you guys.

 

Lets keep it Scriptural !!

[seeking_truth_1 0]

What does this mean?

 

As a non "cultist", I see (on this site) that you guys that keep thumping these "molokons" and "rudametkinites", WHY?????

 

What is a non "cultist"

 

Do you regularly attend a molokan "church" yet disavow the the notion molokans are the "new israel"?

 

You do realize the s&l is revered as "scripture" don't you?

 

Have you even read even portions of the book?

 

Have you ever compared those writings against the Bible?

 

Just checking...

 

Tell you what...

 

Here are a few questions before you can be taken seriously

 

Who is Jesus?

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

How is Salvation Secured?

 

Please don't bring out the errors in the Molokans of today in your response, as we already know that

 

 

As a non "cultist", I see (on this site) that you guys that keep thumping these "molokons" and "rudametkinites", WHY?????

 

It seems to me that you were not happy there and stopped going to "regular" meetings.

 

As being a "outsider" looking in, YOU HAVE NOT LEFT, JUST NOT HAPPY WITH YOUR LOT!

 

I enjoy this site- except for the non-Christian behaviour from you guys.

 

Lets keep it Scriptural !!

[Guest Guest]

What does this mean?

 

As a non "cultist", I see (on this site) that you guys that keep thumping these "molokons" and "rudametkinites", WHY?????

 

What is a non "cultist"

 

Do you regularly attend a molokan "church" yet disavow the the notion molokans are the "new israel"?

 

You do realize the s&l is revered as "scripture" don't you?

 

Have you even read even portions of the book?

 

Have you ever compared those writings against the Bible?

 

Just checking...

 

Tell you what...

 

Here are a few questions before you can be taken seriously

 

Who is Jesus?

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

How is Salvation Secured?

 

 

 

The only part of the this s&l I have seen is what you guys put up.

 

My grandfather had some books on his table, I asked what they were and he said it was all scripture.

 

I went with him to his church a few times (I think he called it big church) when I was younger.

 

It was full of benches that they packed away to pray, then stood in a big square with the females on one side.

 

I didn't understand what they said (or sang) but it was very pretty, I liked how every one was dressed (Russian folk or something)

 

Last time I was there was when grandfather died, 10 years ago.

 

I heard my uncle talking about this site, that's how I found it.

 

We don't go to any church and Have just started to read the Bible, so I haven't come to any conclussions yet.

 

This site is all the fellowship I really get.

 

All I've really learned is how to thump the ###### out every one that doesn't agree with you, the sad part is that I'm starting to like IT!

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Here are a few questions before you can be taken seriously

 

Who is Jesus?

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

How is Salvation Secured?

[jtolmachoff 0]

What does this mean?

 

As a non "cultist", I see (on this site) that you guys that keep thumping these "molokons" and "rudametkinites", WHY?????

 

What is a non "cultist"

 

Do you regularly attend a molokan "church" yet disavow the the notion molokans are the "new israel"?

 

You do realize the s&l is revered as "scripture" don't you?

 

Have you even read even portions of the book?

 

Have you ever compared those writings against the Bible?

 

Just checking...

 

Tell you what...

 

Here are a few questions before you can be taken seriously

 

Who is Jesus?

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

How is Salvation Secured?

 

 

 

The only part of the this s&l I have seen is what you guys put up.

 

My grandfather had some books on his table, I asked what they were and he said it was all scripture.

 

I went with him to his church a few times (I think he called it big church) when I was younger.

 

It was full of benches that they packed away to pray, then stood in a big square with the females on one side.

 

I didn't understand what they said (or sang) but it was very pretty, I liked how every one was dressed (Russian folk or something)

 

Last time I was there was when grandfather died, 10 years ago.

 

I heard my uncle talking about this site, that's how I found it.

 

We don't go to any church and Have just started to read the Bible, so I haven't come to any conclussions yet.

 

This site is all the fellowship I really get.

 

All I've really learned is how to thump the ###### out every one that doesn't agree with you, the sad part is that I'm starting to like IT!

Dear guest. I hope and pray that you don't really mean that this site is all the fellowship that you get. I would recommend that you start reading the Bible (if you don't already do so). I would recommend that you start in the New Testament in the book of John. There you will find that the Love of God is available to all who are seeking. If you are looking for fellowship, this site is NOT the place to find it. Just pray and ask God our Heavenly Father to show you where to get the fellowship that you so desperatly need. Our Heavenly Father waiting for all to come to Him and fellowship with Him, no matter where it may be. Just be sure that where you go, that they are preaching and teaching the Word of God and NOT mans doctrine. Just remember there is a God that loves you and that His Son Jesus Christ died to forgive you of your sins if you will just believe in Him and accept Him as your Saviour. That is why He come to this earth. To seek and save that which is lost. I wish you well and I will be praying for you that you choose the right pathway to go on. Love you in Christ Jesus my Lord and Saviour Jack Tolmachoff

[Guest Guest]

What does this mean?

 

As a non "cultist", I see (on this site) that you guys that keep thumping these "molokons" and "rudametkinites", WHY?????

 

What is a non "cultist"

 

Do you regularly attend a molokan "church" yet disavow the the notion molokans are the "new israel"?

 

You do realize the s&l is revered as "scripture" don't you?

 

Have you even read even portions of the book?

 

Have you ever compared those writings against the Bible?

 

Just checking...

 

Tell you what...

 

Here are a few questions before you can be taken seriously

 

Who is Jesus?

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

How is Salvation Secured?

 

 

 

The only part of the this s&l I have seen is what you guys put up.

 

My grandfather had some books on his table, I asked what they were and he said it was all scripture.

 

I went with him to his church a few times (I think he called it big church) when I was younger.

 

It was full of benches that they packed away to pray, then stood in a big square with the females on one side.

 

I didn't understand what they said (or sang) but it was very pretty, I liked how every one was dressed (Russian folk or something)

 

Last time I was there was when grandfather died, 10 years ago.

 

I heard my uncle talking about this site, that's how I found it.

 

We don't go to any church and Have just started to read the Bible, so I haven't come to any conclusions yet.

 

This site is all the fellowship I really get.

 

All I've really learned is how to thump the ###### out every one that doesn't agree with you, the sad part is that I'm starting to like IT!

Dear guest. I hope and pray that you don't really mean that this site is all the fellowship that you get. I would recommend that you start reading the Bible (if you don't already do so). I would recommend that you start in the New Testament in the book of John. There you will find that the Love of God is available to all who are seeking. If you are looking for fellowship, this site is NOT the place to find it. Just pray and ask God our Heavenly Father to show you where to get the fellowship that you so desperatly need. Our Heavenly Father waiting for all to come to Him and fellowship with Him, no matter where it may be. Just be sure that where you go, that they are preaching and teaching the Word of God and NOT mans doctrine. Just remember there is a God that loves you and that His Son Jesus Christ died to forgive you of your sins if you will just believe in Him and accept Him as your Saviour. That is why He come to this earth. To seek and save that which is lost. I wish you well and I will be praying for you that you choose the right pathway to go on. Love you in Christ Jesus my Lord and Saviour Jack Tolmachoff

 

 

Thank you Jack, that is the same thing my uncle told me.

 

He's in LA and we don't see him often.

 

He tells me about Jesus and we talk about the different things in the Bible.

 

He tells me that Jesus was all about love and respect and we should live by his example,

 

That we should learn his commandments Love God and Love thy neighbour.

 

If we do these commandments, God will love us and take care of us.

 

Why is seeking_truth_1 so nasty? Doesn't he know that you have to love, to be loved?

 

How can I answer his questions if I haven't got there yet?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Here are a few questions before you can be taken seriously

 

You say you're not a "cultist molokans"

 

Just checking...

 

Who is Jesus?

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

How is Salvation Secured?

[Guest Galatians 5:22-26]

Why is seeking_truth_1 so nasty? Doesn't he know that you have to love, to be loved?

Galatians 5:22-26

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

NKJV

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Why is seeking_truth_1 so nasty? Doesn't he know that you have to love, to be loved?

Galatians 5:22-26

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

NKJV

 

Thank you that sounds more Jesus like!

 

By this passage, seeking_truth_1 is not Christian?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1 NKJV)

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14 NKJV)

 

7 ¶ The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; Psalm 19:7

 

 

“8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God,

9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9 NKJV)

 

 

 

You say you're not a "cultist molokans"

 

Just checking...

 

Who is Jesus?

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

How is Salvation Secured?

 

 

Thank you that sounds more Jesus like!

 

By this passage, seeking_truth_1 is not Christian?

[stevepiv 0]

John MacArthur shares some wisdom here:

 

"Once a congregation sees Scripture as less than the final, complete, infallible authority for faith and practice, it has opened the doors to theological chaos. Anyone can claim to be speaking God’s revelation – and almost anything can be passed off as divinely revealed truth." ~ John MacArthur

 

 

This is EXACTLY what opened the door to the HERESY found in THE SPIRIT & LIFE book and is why you have theological chaos in the Molokan new israel church.

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

Why is seeking_truth_1 so nasty? Doesn't he know that you have to love, to be loved?

Galatians 5:22-26

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

NKJV

 

Thank you that sounds more Jesus like!

 

By this passage, seeking_truth_1 is not Christian?

CHRISTianity is not based on what we do or how we do it.

CHRISTianity is based on what Christ did.

 

Also, what do you think about Jesus' reaction to the rich young ruler?

Would you accuse Jesus of being not very "Jesus like"?

 

Here this young man approaches Jesus with a sincere question.

But Jesus doesn't react in a way that many would consider "love".

 

 

 

The Rich Young Ruler

 

18 A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

 

19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

 

20 “You know the commandments, ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’ ”

 

21 And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”

 

22 When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

 

23 But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich.

 

24 And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!

 

25 “For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

 

26 They who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?”

 

27 But He said, “The things that are impossible with people are possible with God.”

[Guest TS]

John MacArthur shares some wisdom here:

 

"Once a congregation sees Scripture as less than the final, complete, infallible authority for faith and practice, it has opened the doors to theological chaos. Anyone can claim to be speaking God’s revelation – and almost anything can be passed off as divinely revealed truth." ~ John MacArthur

 

 

This is EXACTLY what opened the door to the HERESY found in THE SPIRIT & LIFE book and is why you have theological chaos in the Molokan new israel church.

How do you check John MacArthur? Why not go there first for Godly counsel?

 

[Guest Guest]

Why is seeking_truth_1 so nasty? Doesn't he know that you have to love, to be loved?

Galatians 5:22-26

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

NKJV

 

Thank you that sounds more Jesus like!

 

By this passage, seeking_truth_1 is not Christian?

CHRISTianity is not based on what we do or how we do it.

CHRISTianity is based on what Christ did.

 

Also, what do you think about Jesus' reaction to the rich young ruler?

Would you accuse Jesus of being not very "Jesus like"?

 

Here this young man approaches Jesus with a sincere question.

But Jesus doesn't react in a way that many would consider "love".

 

 

 

The Rich Young Ruler

 

18 A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

 

19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

 

20 “You know the commandments, ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’ ”

 

21 And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”

 

22 When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

 

23 But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich.

 

24 And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!

 

25 “For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

 

26 They who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?”

 

27 But He said, “The things that are impossible with people are possible with God.”

 

 

You guys make it sound to hard!

 

I'll stick to dirt bikes for now.

[Guest mud_paddie]

They contradict.

CHRISTianity is not based on what we do or how we do it.

 

22 When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

You guys make it sound to hard!

 

I'll stick to dirt bikes for now.

Unless God changes a sinners heart, Christianity is not only hard....it's impossible.

26 They who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?”

27 But He said, “The things that are impossible with people are possible with God.”

Luke 18:26–27 NAS

 

 

But that is what mercy and grace are.

 

You say you will stick to dirt bikes for now.

 

I would like for you to consider verse 24.

24 And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!

Luke 18:24 NAS

Do you feel the eyes of our glorious Lord looking into your soul?

If you feel that God is calling you today, don't ignore Him.

He will continue to peruse you and continue to call you and continue to tug on your heart.

 

Jesus is love, and He will do whatever it takes to get your attention.

 

Kind David said that he felt like God was causing him physical distress in order to get his attention.

3 When I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away Through my groaning all day long.

4 For day and night Your hand was heavy upon me; My vitality was drained away as with the fever heat of summer.

5 I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I did not hide; I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD”; And You forgave the guilt of my sin.

6 Therefore, let everyone who is godly pray to You in a time when You may be found; Surely in a flood of great waters they will not reach him.

Psalm 32:3–6 NAS

 

So........if this is your case, the bible says to respond to God.

Turn to God.

He loves you and does not want you to die forever.

7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.”

Hebrews 4:7 NAS

16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 4:16 NAS

Edited September 2, 2010 by KevinPolyaNazaroff

[Guest Paul Orloff]

Why is seeking_truth_1 so nasty? Doesn't he know that you have to love, to be loved?

Galatians 5:22-26

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

NKJV

 

Thank you that sounds more Jesus like!

 

By this passage, seeking_truth_1 is not Christian?

CHRISTianity is not based on what we do or how we do it.

CHRISTianity is based on what Christ did.

 

Also, what do you think about Jesus' reaction to the rich young ruler?

Would you accuse Jesus of being not very "Jesus like"?

 

Here this young man approaches Jesus with a sincere question.

But Jesus doesn't react in a way that many would consider "love".

 

 

 

The Rich Young Ruler

 

18 A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

 

19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

 

20 “You know the commandments, ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’ ”

 

21 And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”

 

22 When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

 

23 But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich.

 

24 And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!

 

25 “For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

 

26 They who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?”

 

27 But He said, “The things that are impossible with people are possible with God.”

 

 

You guys make it sound to hard!

 

I'll stick to dirt bikes for now.

 

This Above Bottom Comment is a scary one!!!

 

I recently worked at a facility where many members had serious head trauma some time in thier past. On gentleman about my age, had a serious dirtbike accident in the 80's. Another man about 60 in bad shape but still loves live and the Lord more than ever was hit by a drunk driver in the 80's.

 

God dwells out on the trails too. Don't think a dirt bike can out run his Love and Mercy. MANY are called on a bed in a hospital on machines with just a few breaths left.If it takes a body to get to a persons soul, it will be allowed be God. One is better a mamed person on this earth knowing that a perfected body awaits them in heaven, then a perfect body on earth, that will burn in hell.

 

Everyone that I personally have talked to in my life that has had an extremely crippling accident litteraly thought it only happened to others. If you think about it , thier are not "others" as to them we are "others" also. I guess that means we are all "others" :-)

 

Don't dirtbike away from God or walk away or what ever. You can try, but if you are one of His, He will get you to the cross. How hard it is, may be something you can be part of?

 

Paul was out in situations where He had to rely on what God had cut out for Him to do. He was Extreme Pharasee Jew that allowed Christians to be murdered and was in on some murdering. Even without the murdering He was hellbound. I sometimes try and think of what he would be like today here in this free country with peoples Bibles on shelves. Paul was "all things to all men" he speaks of that here. I don't think most christian churches would enjoy having him in the pews. They would be getting letters from him daily! he got in trouble for it at times but He had to be and speak at a level of his audience. He used comparisons that worked for the time. He used racing here;

 

1st Cor 19

Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

 

24Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.

 

25Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. 27No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

 

You can use "Dirt-Bike" in it's place, as if Paul were here now he would probably learn how to ride and become as you are and preach The Gospel as The Holy Spirit would speak.

 

Nothing wrong with a Dirt Bike, it's just that it's just a dirt bike. Like a Ping Pong Table, its just a ping pong table, but if you learn how to play to win over some souls than its more than a table.

 

Don't ride off into the sunset if you feel God tugging on your heart. Shut it down and ask Him to speak to you?

 

Good practice. Look on the internet, for the place you think is the most filthiest pagan place in the world. It's not far! See if God will give you words to write on paper that would address there issues and thier ungodlyness and lusts. Write knowing that most people will probabably hate your guts or want to kill you, but in time, that seed you planted could be no different than a letter in The Bible except it cannot be counted as athoritive as The Bible but still can be just as promising. Most, how are chained to Christ do not ever see the seeds they planted grow. Its the way it works. Our reward is not about that. The reward awaits as long as God keeps the man on earth chained to Him. It's just about obediance and doing His work through you. although, God will reassure you if needed to see His GLory. He never let Paul down and at that end he was lifted up!

Now imagine ALL christians doing that? Things would get done. Too many churches are filled with Christians. That has to change. The church gathering shouyld be just a tiny part of the life of a christian. We should come out feeling like garbage and convicted, rathar then happy and cheerful. We should come out feeling a little tiny bit of that sadness when Jesus wept over the city. We should be around but not engaging in the sinners lives. We must learn to love sinners as Jesus did and want to die for their souls. It's the sin thats hated and Jesus took that upon himself! Find the worst person you can find, and then read about Jesus on the cross and why He died and than look in a mirror and think about all the sins you can think of an try to find ONE thing God would favour you over that one retched person you picked out? We cannot hate sinners as we are one of them. To hate a sinner is to hate Christ. He didn't for Good people, because there were not one!

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[Guest Paul Orloff]

They contradict.

CHRISTianity is not based on what we do or how we do it.

 

22 When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

 

 

If the Bible were one verse long or short, you are totally right! But it's quite a bit longer and one must see the context? When Jesus heard what?

 

Who is he taking to?

 

Here is all of Luke in a easy version;

Luke 18

The Parable of the Persistent Widow

1Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2He said: "In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. 3And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, 'Grant me justice against my adversary.'

4"For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, 'Even though I don't fear God or care about men, 5yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won't eventually wear me out with her coming!' "

 

6And the Lord said, "Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"

 

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

 

14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

 

The Little Children and Jesus

15People were also bringing babies to Jesus to have him touch them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. 16But Jesus called the children to him and said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."

The Rich Ruler

18A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

19"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. 20You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'"

 

21"All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.

 

22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

 

23When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. 24Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

 

26Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"

 

27Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."

 

28Peter said to him, "We have left all we had to follow you!"

 

29"I tell you the truth," Jesus said to them, "no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life."

 

Jesus Again Predicts His Death

31Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. 33On the third day he will rise again."

34The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.

 

A Blind Beggar Receives His Sight

35As Jesus approached Jericho, a blind man was sitting by the roadside begging. 36When he heard the crowd going by, he asked what was happening. 37They told him, "Jesus of Nazareth is passing by."

38He called out, "Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!"

 

39Those who led the way rebuked him and told him to be quiet, but he shouted all the more, "Son of David, have mercy on me!"

 

40Jesus stopped and ordered the man to be brought to him. When he came near, Jesus asked him, 41"What do you want me to do for you?"

"Lord, I want to see," he replied.

 

 

 

 

42Jesus said to him, "Receive your sight; your faith has healed you." 43Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus, praising God. When all the people saw it, they also praised God.

 

 

Reading Kevins posts on this thread and the others about Grace, works, etc..are bringing so much clarity! If God's not allowing a person to understand, that person is still in a place of not being able to do anything for God or by God. Just as the Pharacess.

 

I agree! We have NOTHING to do with our Salvation!!!!

 

If someone gives you a gift-Its yours. You can through gifts away, but God's Gift cannot be thrown away. One can try but will most likely end up nearer to Him. It's a good thing actually. It's a good sign when a person wants the world so bad and he can no longer have it. God never tires, only we do. It's like drowning. We can fight and fight and a good lifegaurd will know how to take that to his advatage. Once the swimmer tires out, the lifegaurd can now rescue the swimmer. Swimmer awakes, fights and on and on till they get to the shore and to safety. That swimmer is saved no matter what and cannot do anything about it now. Sure they can go back in etc.. but once in God's grip, always in His grip (John 10 I beleive)

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Still waiting

 

Who is Jesus

How is Salvation secured

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God

 

You say "Lets keep it Scriptural" yet you have yet to cite a single passage

 

 

Please don't bring out the errors in the Molokans of today in your response, as we already know that

 

 

As a non "cultist", I see (on this site) that you guys that keep thumping these "molokons" and "rudametkinites", WHY?????

 

It seems to me that you were not happy there and stopped going to "regular" meetings.

 

As being a "outsider" looking in, YOU HAVE NOT LEFT, JUST NOT HAPPY WITH YOUR LOT!

 

I enjoy this site- except for the non-Christian behaviour from you guys.

 

Lets keep it Scriptural !!

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Thank you Paul Orloff, that was a good read!

 

Do you know seeking_truth_1? Maybe you can give him some pointers on 'being nice'.

 

I like God and His son Jesus and the Holy Spirit that has tugged at my 'heart strings' to seek Them.

 

Keep posting Paul, maybe through your love towards me, I can get closer to God.

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Still not answering...

 

Paul is not asking you the tough questions so you like it

 

That's obvious

 

You said "Lets keep it Scriptural" so please explain

 

Who is Jesus

How is Salvation secured

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God

 

 

Thank you Paul Orloff, that was a good read!

 

Do you know seeking_truth_1? Maybe you can give him some pointers on 'being nice'.

 

I like God and His son Jesus and the Holy Spirit that has tugged at my 'heart strings' to seek Them.

 

Keep posting Paul, maybe through your love towards me, I can get closer to God.

[Guest Guest]

Who is Jesus

How is Salvation secured

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God

 

 

Don't know YET- still seeking the truth!

 

[Guest Guest]

Who is Jesus

How is Salvation secured

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God

 

 

Don't know YET- still seeking the truth!

How do YOU test for truth?

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Are you wholly devoid of any cognitive skills?

 

You know all too clearly what I was asking...

 

Much like the title from the other thread "I'm not telling" states there are those who feign a pseudo understanding yet have ABSOLUTELY no understanding about Biblical Truth

 

You somehow equal tolerating your Biblical ignorance with "being nice"

 

If that is the case, I'm not a "nice guy" in your view

 

Regardless, that still begs the question that so deserves an answer from an alleged "christian"

 

Again let us refer to your statement "Lets keep it Scriptural"

 

Please explain

 

Who is Jesus

How is Salvation secured

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God

 

To make sure we are perfectly clear..

 

 

I AM NOT asking for you to explain it to me

 

I AM asking for you to explain your "faith" to ANYONE using the Bible

 

Again you did say... "Lets keep it Scriptural"

 

Scripture does say

 

Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if someone asks about your Christian hope, always be ready to explain it. (1 Peter 3:15 NLT)

 

We are still waiting...

 

 

 

 

 

Who is Jesus

How is Salvation secured

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God

 

 

Don't know YET- still seeking the truth!

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

We're still waiting...

 

All those who arrive on the scene with all this bravado they have been indoctrinated into through the cult of molokanism seem to vaporize when asked some VERY basic questions about their alleged faith

 

I guess it's easier to believe a lie than to do your homework and find out what you believe and why for yourself

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Who is Jesus

How is Salvation secured

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God

 

Don't know YET- still seeking the truth!

I would like to give you some clear advise on reaching a Truthful answer to your desire to know the Truth.

 

You need get a copy of the book, that is widely known as the The Bible. Begin by prayerfully asking the author of the Bible to reveal Himself. Then begin by turning to the Book of John and let me assure you that God will reveal all that you need to know about His desire for your Life.

 

lastinline (& glad to help)