Dove World Outreach Center

[Guest Paul W. Orloff]

I was reading the following link that lead me to read the second link about what The Dove World Outreach Center is planning on doing on 9/11/2010 in New York Near Ground Zero. I am really disturbed that The Dove center is planning on burning Korans in protests there that day. If this goes down, something bad will come from it. Not from the American Muslims in general but the fanatic extremists that flew into the buildings will do things their ways which are almost unstoppable. Many of American's Christians are gonna cause so much to happen that would not need to if they would understand what Freedom of Religion is.;

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39008916/ns/us_news-life

 

Then I went this link and read and listened to the guy speak about why they are starting these burn the Koran days and clubs. You can read it and get your own impression but these kinds of agressive protests from so-called christians will only continue to worsen things.

 

http://www.doveworld.org/blog/ten-reasons-to-burn-a-koran

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From Ravi Zacharias...

 

Burning the Qur’an does not illuminate the Bible

 

September 10, 2010

 

Today’s ad in The New York Times simply states that “burning the Qur’an does not illuminate the Bible.”

 

I have signed my name to it along with many of today’s most prominent Christian leaders from across denominations and traditions because I believe that to destroy a religion’s "sacred book" is a disservice to the Gospel and is an obnoxious way of communicating to those of any other faith.

 

Further, having traveled so much and just returning from an Islamic country I know how acts like this put missionaries and fellow workers and their families in untold danger.

 

The intent of this ad is to communicate that the true biblical response to those of other faiths—or no faith—is respect and civility in religious discussions, disagreements, and debates.

 

Acts of such deliberate provocation in the name of Christianity are antithetical to the good news of the Gospel of our Lord. The Gospel is a message of grace and beauty in a world so bereft of both.

 

Ravi Zacharias

 

 

[Guest Guest]

From Ravi Zacharias...

 

Burning the Qur’an does not illuminate the Bible

 

September 10, 2010

 

Today’s ad in The New York Times simply states that “burning the Qur’an does not illuminate the Bible.”

 

I have signed my name to it along with many of today’s most prominent Christian leaders from across denominations and traditions because I believe that to destroy a religion’s "sacred book" is a disservice to the Gospel and is an obnoxious way of communicating to those of any other faith.

 

Further, having traveled so much and just returning from an Islamic country I know how acts like this put missionaries and fellow workers and their families in untold danger.

 

The intent of this ad is to communicate that the true biblical response to those of other faiths—or no faith—is respect and civility in religious discussions, disagreements, and debates.

 

Acts of such deliberate provocation in the name of Christianity are antithetical to the good news of the Gospel of our Lord. The Gospel is a message of grace and beauty in a world so bereft of both.

 

Ravi Zacharias

What are God's instructions regarding things like the 'Burn a Qur'an Day' should we take these verses seriously? That means putting our faith ON THE LINE".

 

7:1-6 1 "When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess, and He drives out many nations before you-the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and powerful than you- 2 and when the Lord your God delivers them over to you and you defeat them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 because they will turn your sons away from Me to worship other gods. Then the Lord's anger will burn against you, and He will swiftly destroy you. 5 Instead, this is what you are to do to them: tear down their altars, smash their standing pillars, cut down their Asherah poles, and burn up their carved images. 6 For you are a holy people belonging to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you to be His own possession out of all the peoples on the face of the earth.

 

Jesus said; Luke 10:19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

 

[Guest Guest]

The nation of Islam doesn't seem to be concerned about upsetting Americans by proposing to build a mosque so near the twin towers attack site, THEY SAY THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT. Why should Americans worry about offending Islam by burning Qur'ans? Did Americans mysteriously loose their right to burn what offends them, isn't that still the right of Americans in this country?

 

How much more infuriated can these militants get, they're laughing at, shooting, killing and maiming Americans now! Islamic militants willfully choose to war with America, wake up and stand your ground, or would you wait till they are coming up your street. ………..You could chase them down the street while waving a pork chop, or threaten them with your rose pruning shears or a broom.

 

 

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The Cult of molokanism is much like the Nation of Islam in that they don't care about anyone other than themselves and the advancement of their cult

 

They have an un-Biblical agenda regardless of how they wish to spin their religion

 

Many Muslims say their religion is of "peace" much like the cult of molokanism says it's "Christian"

 

Regardless of what people say, the truth about the false religion is found in their "holy book"

 

Muslims, like the cult of molokanism, advocate another way to God & Heaven

 

According to the Bible there is only One Way

 

"Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." (John 14:6 NLT)

 

Not through Jesus and Mohamed, or Jesus and a failed religion of Men but by the acceptance of Jesus' substitutionary perfect life, death and resurrection

 

 

You have First Amendment rights protection covering "free speech"

 

Of course you need to exercise those rights with common sense

 

Burning of the Quran is a fleshly response to a Spiritual problem

 

I guess I could advocate the burning of the s&l because it's contents, like the Qurans, is kindling to stoke the fires of Hell

 

Again it comes down to common sense in dealing with a Spiritual problem

 

For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places. (Ephesians 6:12 NLT)

 

In addition, the burning of any book seems like a win for those who sold you the book

 

If you bought a Quran with the sole intent of burning it, you're not wise

 

You generated profit for the merchant and ultimately the burning of book is not going to win a Spiritual battle

[Guest mud_paddie]

The nation of Islam doesn't seem to be concerned about upsetting Americans by proposing to build a mosque so near the twin towers attack site, THEY SAY THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT. Why should Americans worry about offending Islam by burning Qur'ans? Did Americans mysteriously loose their right to burn what offends them, isn't that still the right of Americans in this country?

 

How much more infuriated can these militants get, they're laughing at, shooting, killing and maiming Americans now! Islamic militants willfully choose to war with America, wake up and stand your ground, or would you wait till they are coming up your street. ………..You could chase them down the street while waving a pork chop, or threaten them with your rose pruning shears or a broom.

THE BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE.

 

[Guest Paul W. Orloff]

The Cult of molokanism is much like the Nation of Islam in that they don't care about anyone other than themselves and the advancement of their cult

 

They have an un-Biblical agenda regardless of how they wish to spin their religion

 

Many Muslims say their religion is of "peace" much like the cult of molokanism says it's "Christian"

 

Regardless of what people say, the truth about the false religion is found in their "holy book"

 

Muslims, like the cult of molokanism, advocate another way to God & Heaven

 

According to the Bible there is only One Way

 

"Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." (John 14:6 NLT)

 

Not through Jesus and Mohamed, or Jesus and a failed religion of Men but by the acceptance of Jesus' substitutionary perfect life, death and resurrection

 

 

You have First Amendment rights protection covering "free speech"

 

Of course you need to exercise those rights with common sense

 

Burning of the Quran is a fleshly response to a Spiritual problem

 

I guess I could advocate the burning of the s&l because it's contents, like the Qurans, is kindling to stoke the fires of Hell

 

Again it comes down to common sense in dealing with a Spiritual problem

 

For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places. (Ephesians 6:12 NLT)

 

In addition, the burning of any book seems like a win for those who sold you the book

 

If you bought a Quran with the sole intent of burning it, you're not wise

 

You generated profit for the merchant and ultimately the burning of book is not going to win a Spiritual battle

 

Very Very Very well said!

 

If Christians just went around burning books they would be dishonering The Gospel.

 

We are called to spread the Gospel, not to burn stuff in the face of others.

[Guest Paul W. Orloff]

This is America and they do have the right to build that Mosque "near" where the twin towers were.

 

I am starting to see people treating this Ground Zero as a holy place?? Why is that? It's terrible what happened but the reality is that it is just a peace of earth.

 

Guest, do you know that if you are a Christian and have a lot of money, you could have bought that land too- and just left it empty so no one could build a Mosque there? If you are a Christian, do you know that you can fly out there and openly speak about Jesus Christ with them? Did you know that?

 

What do you mean by "wake up and stand your ground, or what till they are coming up your street,? We all know that the extremist terrorists willfully attatked America and other countries too. So, you are implying that we should get rid of all Muslims before it's too late? To late for what?

 

You do have the right to burn as many Qurans as you desire. Do you know that that Jones cult leader who was going to burn one is responsible for some inncocent lives that were lost on account of that threat? HE most likely did not out of fear for his own life

 

Do you know the more you provoke, and stick all Islam into a Religion of all murderers you are guilty of bearing false witness and deserve being stoned with rocks?

 

Why do you feel this America is yours and not thiers???

 

The nation of Islam doesn't seem to be concerned about upsetting Americans by proposing to build a mosque so near the twin towers attack site, THEY SAY THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT. Why should Americans worry about offending Islam by burning Qur'ans? Did Americans mysteriously loose their right to burn what offends them, isn't that still the right of Americans in this country?

 

How much more infuriated can these militants get, they're laughing at, shooting, killing and maiming Americans now! Islamic militants willfully choose to war with America, wake up and stand your ground, or would you wait till they are coming up your street. ………..You could chase them down the street while waving a pork chop, or threaten them with your rose pruning shears or a broom.

 

[Guest Guest Imam]

This is America and they do have the right to build that Mosque "near" where the twin towers were.

Currently there are dozens of Holy Mosques in New York city, it's not like they don't have a place to worship, and some existing Mosques are already in close proximity to the proposed 911 site. You know the real reason for Ground Zero Mosque, it's to add sting to the slap.

The Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf says Islam is a religion of peace, history will not bear that out, and Imam Rauf says he is a peaceful man, if that were true, why would he say it's too late to choose a more distant building site, they're not low on funds are they paul? A more distant site would surely be a peaceful alternative and should appeal to this allegedly peaceful Imam. Here is an opportunity for Rauf to prove, to the world the professed true peaceful nature of Islam.

 

I am starting to see people treating this Ground Zero as a holy place?? Why is that? It's terrible what happened but the reality is that it is just a peace of earth.

Couldn't the same be said about the Holy Islam Dome of the Rock. Like you say, "It is just a piece of earth", isn't that right paul? What's good for the goose should be good enough for the gander, right paul?

 

What do you mean by "wake up and stand your ground, or what till they are coming up your street,? We all know that the extremist terrorists willfully attatked America and other countries too. So, you are implying that we should get rid of all Muslims before it's too late? To late for what?

get rid of all Muslims before it's too late, I never implied what you imagine.

 

Do you know that that Jones cult leader who was going to burn one is responsible for some inncocent lives that were lost on account of that threat? HE most likely did not out of fear for his own life

I didn't know cult leaders had that kind of power, that they can be held responsible for someone else's actions. The Bible teaches that each person answers for their own sins, so how could the Jones cult leader be responsible for a murder done by another? Need chapter and verse for that one…….. Imagination gone nutzo!

 

Do you know the more you provoke, and stick all Islam into a Religion of all murderers you are guilty of bearing false witness and deserve being stoned with rocks?

The babies and children that died in the Twin Towers Disaster how did the militants vilify them as being evil enough to be killed? Osama Bin Ladin said Islam does not differentiate between uniformed and un-uniformed enemies.

 

Why do you feel this America is yours and not thiers???

America belongs to the legal citizens from all nations who don't destroy it, or usurp it's authority.

 

 

 

[Guest trying to be rational]

The Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf says Islam is a religion of peace, history will not bear that out,

 

Yes history will bear that out if you want to compare the numbers of people killed by the blessing of their own religions. Islam is far below Christianity on the scale. During the Dark Ages in Europe, Islamic Middle East excelled and advanced in every area of civilization: architecture, medicine, philosophy, education, engineering, agriculture, science and geography, and yes, peace prevailed during this era for several centuries.

 

Historically, Christianity is a religion of war far greater than any other religion that ever existed, expecially in its wars against Islam with the Crusades, where innocents in the hundreds of thousands were butchered by Christian crusaders, which is being continued at the present.

 

Both the Christian Crusaders and Islamic terrorists are equally wrong.

 

[Guest Paul Orloff]

Wow,

 

What fear people in America have!~

 

This is America and they do have the right to build that Mosque "near" where the twin towers were.

Currently there are dozens of Holy Mosques in New York city, it's not like they don't have a place to worship, and some existing Mosques are already in close proximity to the proposed 911 site. You know the real reason for Ground Zero Mosque, it's to add sting to the slap.

The Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf says Islam is a religion of peace, history will not bear that out, and Imam Rauf says he is a peaceful man, if that were true, why would he say it's too late to choose a more distant building site, they're not low on funds are they paul? A more distant site would surely be a peaceful alternative and should appeal to this allegedly peaceful Imam. Here is an opportunity for Rauf to prove, to the world the professed true peaceful nature of Islam.

 

I am starting to see people treating this Ground Zero as a holy place?? Why is that? It's terrible what happened but the reality is that it is just a peace of earth.

Couldn't the same be said about the Holy Islam Dome of the Rock. Like you say, "It is just a piece of earth", isn't that right paul? What's good for the goose should be good enough for the gander, right paul?

 

What do you mean by "wake up and stand your ground, or what till they are coming up your street,? We all know that the extremist terrorists willfully attatked America and other countries too. So, you are implying that we should get rid of all Muslims before it's too late? To late for what?

get rid of all Muslims before it's too late, I never implied what you imagine.

 

Do you know that that Jones cult leader who was going to burn one is responsible for some inncocent lives that were lost on account of that threat? HE most likely did not out of fear for his own life

I didn't know cult leaders had that kind of power, that they can be held responsible for someone else's actions. The Bible teaches that each person answers for their own sins, so how could the Jones cult leader be responsible for a murder done by another? Need chapter and verse for that one…….. Imagination gone nutzo!

 

Do you know the more you provoke, and stick all Islam into a Religion of all murderers you are guilty of bearing false witness and deserve being stoned with rocks?

The babies and children that died in the Twin Towers Disaster how did the militants vilify them as being evil enough to be killed? Osama Bin Ladin said Islam does not differentiate between uniformed and un-uniformed enemies.

 

Why do you feel this America is yours and not thiers???

America belongs to the legal citizens from all nations who don't destroy it, or usurp it's authority.

 

[Guest Guest]

Yes history will bear that out if you want to compare the numbers of people killed by the blessing of their own religions. Islam is far below Christianity on the scale. During the Dark Ages in Europe, Islamic Middle East excelled and advanced in every area of civilization: architecture, medicine, philosophy, education, engineering, agriculture, science and geography, and yes, peace prevailed during this era for several centuries.

 

Historically, Christianity is a religion of war far greater than any other religion that ever existed, expecially in its wars against Islam with the Crusades, where innocents in the hundreds of thousands were butchered by Christian crusaders, which is being continued at the present.

You forgot to mention the be-headings shown on the internet, you didn't mention honor killings of their own daughters and wives, the un-sedated lopping off of hands, feet, ears, noses and cutting out tongues, you forgot to mention marching children through mine fields.

 

If America is the bad place as you assert, why do Muslims move here with their families?

[Guest trying to be rational]

You forgot to mention the be-headings shown on the internet, you didn't mention honor killings of their own daughters and wives, the un-sedated lopping off of hands, feet, ears, noses and cutting out tongues, you forgot to mention marching children through mine fields.

 

Yes, this did occur, but why are you not willing to admit atrocities by Christians that exceed those of Islam? The USA in Vietnam and the Catholics during the Crusades and Inquisition and Lutherans during the Peasant and Religious Wars of Europe, where the worst of torture and killing was devised by Christian clergy. Both are wrong. Also the decimation of native Americans (Indians) by Divine Right to take over the New World by Christians from Europe of all denominations. Don't forget the Negroes who were killed during Civil Rights Era by Southern Baptists who justified slavery using the the Bible and where Negroes as less equal than Caucasians was taught in their churches.

 

If America is the bad place as you assert, why do Muslims move here with their families?

 

I never said USA was a bad place. Reread my post. And why did anybody move to USA with their families begining with Columbus? All have their own reason and come to USA legitimately. Including your forefathers.

[Guest Guest]

Yes, this did occur, but why are you not willing to admit atrocities by Christians that exceed those of Islam?

This nations government does not authorize atrocities, any atrocities were an individuals battle field decision. This Nation will defend itself, the wars you speak of were fought in a defensive posture AFTER being attacked or threatened. The best defense is a good offense, this is why you haven't HAD to worship Allah, unless of course to go to Freeway Church and are politically intimidated into helping sing song #756.

 

I never said USA was a bad place. Reread my post.

I believe you asserted this Christian Nation was at fault.

 

Here is what you said,

Historically, Christianity is a religion of war far greater than any other religion that ever existed,

America is a nation that trusts in the God of Christianity, look at your money and read the printing, "In God We Trust". America was founded as a Christian Nation, you faulted Christianity therefore you fault America. This countries name is not Americanistan! America is one nation under God, which is not the god of Americanistan.

 

 

[Guest be real]

Yes, this did occur, but why are you not willing to admit atrocities by Christians that exceed those of Islam?

This nations government does not authorize atrocities, any atrocities were an individuals battle field decision.

 

Read USA history of the various death marches that were ordered by USA government on Native Americans (Indians). Are these not atrocities committed? These are just a few examples.

 

Trail of Tears: http://www.cherokeebyblood.com/trailtears.htm

 

Wisconsin Death March: http://www.parr1.com/PARR1/WDM1.html

 

Potawatomi Train of Death: http://www.kansasheritage.org/PBP/people/trail_map.html

 

Or do you not want to admit that the "Christian" USA government would do such things?

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Again, this all coming from someone who denies Jesus for who He says He Is and adheres to the tenets of the cult of molokanism

 

Who cares about what you think regarding anything else

 

You cannot explain your misquoting and misapplication of Scripture

 

It's all warped

 

Who can take you seriously

 

Read USA history of the various death marches that were ordered by USA government on Native Americans (Indians). Are these not atrocities committed? These are just a few examples.

 

Trail of Tears: http://www.cherokeebyblood.com/trailtears.htm

 

Wisconsin Death March: http://www.parr1.com/PARR1/WDM1.html

 

Potawatomi Train of Death: http://www.kansasheritage.org/PBP/people/trail_map.html

 

Or do you not want to admit that the "Christian" USA government would do such things?