seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2006 Here's an illustration Your parents and friends make a recommendation to a restaurant (Remember this is an illustration - I know many of you probably don't "eat out") You go there and there's a sign saying "Now serving Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner" As you sit down, the waiter throws a menu at you You notice a sign on the wall saying "We serve only White People and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone... If you don't like it, leave" You chose from the menu and they bring you an empty plate You ask the surly waiter "what's up with this?" They say "it was good enough for your parents, family and friends so shut up" You look down at your empty plate wondering "how can this be?"? Then the waiter brings you a check for the non-existent meal plus a list of requirements In addition to paying the bill you will need to do your dishes, then serve and prepare the "meals" for next the customers You look at him like he's crazy expecting you to pay and do all of this extra work for nothing Then he says, "if you don't do it, no one will do it for you next time" You think, "maybe I'm missing something. Maybe there was something on the plate but I didn't see it.. this place was a recommendation by my parents" So you pay the bill, perform all of the additional work(s) and you leave hungry This goes on for a while but you notice another restaurant open for business It too has a sign "Now serving Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner" You don't want to disappoint your parents by not liking their original recommendation but, due to your dire hunger, you try the other place You walk in and sit down and waiter come by and greets you and asks "how are you doing"? You say "I haven't eaten in a very long time, what do you recommend?" The waiter smiles and says try the "special" You agree and he brings it and sets it before you The plate is mounding with all of your favorites You devour all of it and the waiter says, "would you like more?" You nod and he brings you another plate During the meal, the other patrons and waiter engage you in refreshing, polite conversation You finish and think to your self, "this was the best meal I have EVER had" Then you remember, "here comes the bill" The waiter comes and brings you a check with 0 due at the bottom with no extra duties required You are amazed at this thinking how can they not charge and still stay in business You graciously accept the meal and think "maybe I'll try again the next day" You go back the next day and have an even better meal and again it's free This goes on for a while and you begin to realize that "this is great" and the other restaurant is a dim memory Then you remember your parents and friends and that other place and think "they must be starving. I better tell them about this place" You tell them about the new place and they say "how can you do that to us? We've always done it this way and will get in trouble even talking about such a thing" You hope they would try the new place, but they are unwilling to leave because fear has them in it's grip You ask them "Can you at least ask your cook to put some food on the plate?" They reply "No, we would not want to get thrown out" You think "thrown out of what?" A place that charges you for nothing and then expects you to do the same to others without question You leave saddened knowing they are dying of starvation and can't understand why they still go to the same place or why the cook would not feed them "Ho! Everyone who thirsts, Come to the waters; And you who have no money, Come, buy and eat. Yes, come, buy wine and milk Without money and without price. Isaiah 55:1 (NKJV) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Report post Posted March 15, 2006 Don't forget - the water at the first place is stagnant... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sadichka 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2006 Hi Seeking, great story! I, however, have an alternative ending. Sada Here's an illustration Your parents and friends make a recommendation to a restaurant (Remember this is an illustration - I know many of you probably don't "eat out") You go there and there's a sign saying "Now serving Breakfast Lunch and Dinner" As you sit down, the waiter throws a menu at you You notice a sign on the wall saying "We serve only White People and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone... If you don't like it, leave" You chose from the menu and they bring you an empty plate You ask the surly waiter "what's the deal" and they say "it was good enough for your parent and friends so shut up" You look down at your empty plate wondering "how can this be?"? Then the waiter brings you a check for the non-existent meal plus a list of requirements In addition to paying the bill you will need to do your dishes, then serve and prepare the meals for next customers You look at him like he's crazy expecting you to pay and do all of this extra stuff Then he says, "if you don't do all of this, no one will do it for you next time" You think, "maybe I'm missing something. Maybe there was something on the plate but I missed it.. this place was a recommendation by my parents" So you pay the bill, perform all of the additional work(s) and you leave hungry.... As you are leaving, you notice a group huddled together laughing and eating just outside the restaurant. You are curious and very hungry....the smell of food wafts through the air and you are drawn closer. Everyone is smiling and laughing...you tap one of them on the shoulder and ask, “What is going on?” The person was seated near you in the restaurant and had left at the same time that you had. He is holding a paper and hands it to you. It says: "It is written: Man must not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4 “Where did you get this?” you ask the man. Everyone in the group stops and looks at you. The silence is deafening and you are concerned they are all going to turn on you for asking what seems to be a silly question. All of a sudden there is a roar of laughter! You stand there and just don’t get it! The person next to you sees that you are confused and says: “Camp....we get it at Camp! We bring it back here and share it with everyone that wants to listen. Sometimes we share it with those that don't want to listen. Their choice is to take it or leave it.” Isaiah 41:17 17 The poor and the needy seek water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. I, the Lord, will answer them; I, the God of Israel, do not forsake them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest_Mitrovitch_* Report post Posted March 16, 2006 Restaurants most often have lots of preservatives in their food. They cook with lots of salt, are very fattening, and unhealthy. Sure, it's fun to go to a restaurant and have a milkshake, but if all you have are milkshakes, then you end up with high collesterol. The other place sounds like mom's house, where she made the meal, but you have to get up and get your own plate. You can complain that it wasn't put on your plate for you, but that is being lazy. Mom also doesn't just cook for anyone. She says that she will cook for her family and maybe an occasional guest. The empty plate is for you to get off your butt and go to the kitchen and eat as much as you want, which was good enough for the rest of the family. Afterward, there is a list of chores that you need to do, like washing the dishes and maybe helping out around the house, so that things are kept neat and clean, and you may need to pay some rent so as to cover the expenses. Nevertheless, you get your meal. You can complain that this is not like the restaurant, but then the cost of the restaurant is greater and you don't get the family comraderie. You can still have a good meal. It is still cooked on a stove. However, expecting everything to be handed to you on a plate is unrealistic and there are expectations for getting your meal. At the restaurant, you are expected to tip. It is not required. You still get your meal. However, the next time you get it, somebody might spit in it. If you get it at home from mom, you know that you are getting a healthy meal prepared with love, even though there is the expectation that you will wash the dishes. You don't have to wash dishes, but the next time, mom might tell you to cook the meal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EGK 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2006 Seeking: A great little essay and a lot of truth can be found in it. The first thing that struck me was not self pity for being hungry but of the great opportunity that God has presented to us to bring glory to his name. If we see hunger in our restaurant and we know that we are losing patrons should we not do something about it. Shall I sit out side and throw rocks and tell people that my water stinks? I believe that we should do as Jesus told Peter, "The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me? He said, Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you. Jesus said feed my sheep". (John 21 17) I cannot fix the problems of my restaurant unless I am willing to work in this restaurant. I cannot fix a thing unless I am willing to get dirty and bloodied. Sitting out side and crying foul may work for awhile but in the end only going inside and cleaning up the mess will get the food served. Thanks and God Bless! EGK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
little koshka 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2006 EKG, I think the point Seeking was trying to make can be found in the discussion "Responsibilities of An Elder". There are issues involving religious fanatic take overs going on in some (not all) Molokan Churches. These issues include but are not limited to the S&L, MGR, Russian vs. English, too much emphasis of tradition, the list goes on and on. The point I am trying to make here is that there are a lot of good Christian Molokan congregation members who are at a total quandary over these issues. The religious fanatics have a stifling grip on things and are not going to be opening their ears, hearts, or eyes to what they are doing. This is a real thing! If you are aware of these issues, what do you suggest, or what have you done? I know there has been a lot of prayer on this. What would you do or say if you were facing these individuals at a congregational meeting? Seeking: A great little essay and a lot of truth can be found in it. The first thing that struck me was not self pity for being hungry but of the great opportunity that God has presented to us to bring glory to his name. If we see hunger in our restaurant and we know that we are losing patrons should we not do something about it. Shall I sit out side and throw rocks and tell people that my water stinks? I believe that we should do as Jesus told Peter, "The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me? He said, Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you. Jesus said feed my sheep". (John 21 17) I cannot fix the problems of my restaurant unless I am willing to work in this restaurant. I cannot fix a thing unless I am willing to get dirty and bloodied. Sitting out side and crying foul may work for awhile but in the end only going inside and cleaning up the mess will get the food served. Thanks and God Bless! EGK Seeking: A great little essay and a lot of truth can be found in it. The first thing that struck me was not self pity for being hungry but of the great opportunity that God has presented to us to bring glory to his name. If we see hunger in our restaurant and we know that we are losing patrons should we not do something about it. Shall I sit out side and throw rocks and tell people that my water stinks? I believe that we should do as Jesus told Peter, "The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me? He said, Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you. Jesus said feed my sheep". (John 21 17) I cannot fix the problems of my restaurant unless I am willing to work in this restaurant. I cannot fix a thing unless I am willing to get dirty and bloodied. Sitting out side and crying foul may work for awhile but in the end only going inside and cleaning up the mess will get the food served. Thanks and God Bless! EGK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest_steadfast_* Report post Posted March 17, 2006 Unlike the resteruant where we go to be served and fed, church is a place to worship and serve God. Bog difference.Simple Minded, you say we go to church to be served and fed. Do we stop discerning? How are we taught to discern? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Simple Minded Report post Posted March 18, 2006 Steadfast, make sure your head is screwed on right, I never said " you say we go to church to be served and fed Do we stop discerning? Of course not, we must discern everything that is presented to us in life. How are we taught to discern? By being vigilant, by hearing, by praying. Unlike the restaurant where we go to be served and fed, church is a place to worship and serve God. Big difference.Simple Minded, you say we go to church to be served and fed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2008 Seeing As GoodDay mentioned restaurant in their post today i thought I'd bring this to the top Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoodDay 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2008 He Seeking :-) What do you mean when your are reffering to me as "thier?" I saw that on another post too? Thanks Paul Seeing As GoodDay mentioned restaurant in their post today i thought I'd bring this to the top Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoodDay 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2008 TTT (To the Top) :-) He Seeking :-) What do you mean when your are reffering to me as "thier?" I saw that on another post too? Thanks Paul Seeing As GoodDay mentioned restaurant in their post today i thought I'd bring this to the top Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2008 It was from here... <<snip>> In the last 6 months or so I have personally met with some Molokans or spoke with some, or spoke with others that have met with some Molokans that have just been sort of waiting around not sure what to do and recently they are starting to show much more freedom in sharing thier TRUE beliefs with others. Many have never known its OK to pray in English from thier hearts. Many have helped Non-Molokans but have kept it to themselve. Many are seeking help and council at outside resourses and not feeling ashamed about it. Many more are realizing the mistakes they made in thier lives have been washed away by the blood of Christ-And with this they do not want to be a half-member in a Molokan Church. They want to serve the Lord in pure freedom. Many are tired of having no say so. Many more will openly say they go to out-side Bible studies. If the Molokan Churchs have allmost nothing that a church should have to offer, who wouldn't go elsewhere? If someone is hungry, why would they go to a resteraunt that has no food? <<snip>> He Seeking :-) What do you mean when your are reffering to me as "thier?" I saw that on another post too? Thanks Paul Seeing As GoodDay mentioned restaurant in their post today i thought I'd bring this to the top Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2009 This is not Biblical I cannot fix the problems of my restaurant unless I am willing to work in this restaurant. I cannot fix a thing unless I am willing to get dirty and bloodied. Sitting out side and crying foul may work for awhile but in the end only going inside and cleaning up the mess will get the food served. Scripture is VERY clean about how to deal with pagans I'm not speaking about a Christian Church that has gone a bit off, I'm speaking about a cult that I would liken to mormonism, jehovah's witnesses and others who proclaim another way From a Biblical standpoint, you are to separate yourself from them and not participate in their evil The Lord IS NOT calling you to clean up the mess but calling you out of the mess Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. "14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among [them]. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." 17 Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you." 18 "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty."" (2Corinthians 6:14-18 NKJV) Seeking: A great little essay and a lot of truth can be found in it. The first thing that struck me was not self pity for being hungry but of the great opportunity that God has presented to us to bring glory to his name. If we see hunger in our restaurant and we know that we are losing patrons should we not do something about it. Shall I sit out side and throw rocks and tell people that my water stinks? I believe that we should do as Jesus told Peter, "The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me? He said, Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you. Jesus said feed my sheep". (John 21 17) I cannot fix the problems of my restaurant unless I am willing to work in this restaurant. I cannot fix a thing unless I am willing to get dirty and bloodied. Sitting out side and crying foul may work for awhile but in the end only going inside and cleaning up the mess will get the food served. Thanks and God Bless! EGK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoodDay 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Us as servants of the Lord have NO place for compromise. None, Nine, Nada, zero, zip, nicht, nee-chtoo- ( I think those all mean none or nothing etc.._ When we take part of ANYTHING that is truly not the TRUTH in it's entirety, then we are sinning. No ifs ands or buts about that. If the Spirit convicts us to do something and we don't follow through we are sinning. If the Spirit is allowing us some "down" time and we try to hasten the Spirit to lead us into doing a work, then this is sin as it's purely from the flesh. One can make anything "appear" "religious." If we as believers ONLY remain among other believers the light would eventually get so bright it would eventually blow out and then burn out. We are called to carry this light forth into the darkness but not to remain there or to continue to take part there. When I was at bars or parties drinking-Would it be acceptable for me still party there as a believer? When I was lost in darkness at my old church, would it be OK for me to remain there as a Believer? (There are NO different in the two EXCEPT there are more open hearts in a bar. Never-the-less both are equally un-acceptable). Compromising-Is LUKEWARM. Thank the Lord that we have the choice to remove our selves from that dangerous territory. We can not be on a "border line." Satan owns the border line. In the Spiritual world of Truth, Compromising has no place! If we walk through a dark place our light can and will shine- When we shine our light towards a dark place it's darkness is exposed for others to see. BUT when we repeatedly gather in the dark where-ever it may be, we must ask ourselves, our we truly walking in the light? As seeking said very clearly about taking part of a cultist gathering of any sort-It is not acceptable! One must either Flee OR allow the Spirit to cast rebuke upon them unbelievers if it is His will! Do not compromise-Rebuke or Flee! GoodDay This is not Biblical I cannot fix the problems of my restaurant unless I am willing to work in this restaurant. I cannot fix a thing unless I am willing to get dirty and bloodied. Sitting out side and crying foul may work for awhile but in the end only going inside and cleaning up the mess will get the food served. Scripture is VERY clean about how to deal with pagans I'm not speaking about a Christian Church that has gone a bit off, I'm speaking about a cult that I would liken to mormonism, jehovah's witnesses and others who proclaim another way From a Biblical standpoint, you are to separate yourself from them and not participate in their evil The Lord IS NOT calling you to clean up the mess but calling you out of the mess Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. "14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among [them]. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." 17 Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you." 18 "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty."" (2Corinthians 6:14-18 NKJV) Seeking: A great little essay and a lot of truth can be found in it. The first thing that struck me was not self pity for being hungry but of the great opportunity that God has presented to us to bring glory to his name. If we see hunger in our restaurant and we know that we are losing patrons should we not do something about it. Shall I sit out side and throw rocks and tell people that my water stinks? I believe that we should do as Jesus told Peter, "The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me? He said, Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you. Jesus said feed my sheep". (John 21 17) I cannot fix the problems of my restaurant unless I am willing to work in this restaurant. I cannot fix a thing unless I am willing to get dirty and bloodied. Sitting out side and crying foul may work for awhile but in the end only going inside and cleaning up the mess will get the food served. Thanks and God Bless! EGK Edited February 4, 2009 by GoodDay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Would you say the same for those who still attend a molokan "church"? Would that not be considered compromise regardless of the veiled reasons for continued attendance? Us as servants of the Lord have NO place for compromise. None, Nine, Nada, zero, zip, nicht, nee-chtoo- ( I think those all mean none or nothing etc.._ When we take part of ANYTHING that is truly not the TRUTH in it's entirety, then we are sinning. No ifs ands or buts about that. If the Spirit convicts us to do something and we don't follow through we are sinning. If the Spirit is allowing us some "down" time and we try to hasten the Spirit to lead us into doing a work, then this is sin as it's purely from the flesh. One can make anything "appear" "religious." If we as believers ONLY remain among other believers the light would eventually get so bright it would eventually blow out and then burn out. We are called to carry this light forth into the darkness but not to remain there or to continue to take part there. When I was at bars or parties drinking-Would it be acceptable for me still party there as a believer? When I was lost in darkness at my old church, would it be OK for me to remain there as a Believer? (There are NO different in the two EXCEPT there are more open hearts in a bar. Never-the-less both are equally un-acceptable). Compromising-Is LUKEWARM. Thank the Lord that we have the choice to remove our selves from that dangerous territory. We can not be on a "border line." Satan owns the border line. In the Spiritual world of Truth, Compromising has no place! If we walk through a dark place our light can and will shine- When we shine our light towards a dark place it's darkness is exposed for others to see. BUT when we repeatedly gather in the dark where-ever it may be, we must ask ourselves, our we truly walking in the light? As seeking said very clearly about taking part of a cultist gathering of any sort-It is not acceptable! One must either Flee OR allow the Spirit to cast rebuke upon them unbelievers if it is His will! Do not compromise-Rebuke or Flee! GoodDay This is not Biblical I cannot fix the problems of my restaurant unless I am willing to work in this restaurant. I cannot fix a thing unless I am willing to get dirty and bloodied. Sitting out side and crying foul may work for awhile but in the end only going inside and cleaning up the mess will get the food served. Scripture is VERY clean about how to deal with pagans I'm not speaking about a Christian Church that has gone a bit off, I'm speaking about a cult that I would liken to mormonism, jehovah's witnesses and others who proclaim another way From a Biblical standpoint, you are to separate yourself from them and not participate in their evil The Lord IS NOT calling you to clean up the mess but calling you out of the mess Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. "14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among [them]. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." 17 Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you." 18 "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty."" (2Corinthians 6:14-18 NKJV) Seeking: A great little essay and a lot of truth can be found in it. The first thing that struck me was not self pity for being hungry but of the great opportunity that God has presented to us to bring glory to his name. If we see hunger in our restaurant and we know that we are losing patrons should we not do something about it. Shall I sit out side and throw rocks and tell people that my water stinks? I believe that we should do as Jesus told Peter, "The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me? He said, Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you. Jesus said feed my sheep". (John 21 17) I cannot fix the problems of my restaurant unless I am willing to work in this restaurant. I cannot fix a thing unless I am willing to get dirty and bloodied. Sitting out side and crying foul may work for awhile but in the end only going inside and cleaning up the mess will get the food served. Thanks and God Bless! EGK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lastinline 0 Report post Posted April 20, 2010 'Guest_Mitrovitch_*' date='Mar 16 2006, 02:34 PM' post='6340'Restaurants most often have lots of preservatives in their food. They cook with lots of salt, are very fattening, and unhealthy. Sure, it's fun to go to a restaurant and have a milkshake, but if all you have are milkshakes, then you end up with high collesterol. I don't get the point on this at all, although most "new israelites," look oh so foolish when they eat food that in the truest of terms is not even remotely kosher.lastinline (always lookin out for you) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2012 Wonder if sadichka ever got past John 1 If not, all this about camp is worthless In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14) Hi Seeking, great story! I, however, have an alternative ending. Sada Here's an illustration Your parents and friends make a recommendation to a restaurant (Remember this is an illustration - I know many of you probably don't "eat out") You go there and there's a sign saying "Now serving Breakfast Lunch and Dinner" As you sit down, the waiter throws a menu at you You notice a sign on the wall saying "We serve only White People and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone... If you don't like it, leave" You chose from the menu and they bring you an empty plate You ask the surly waiter "what's the deal" and they say "it was good enough for your parent and friends so shut up" You look down at your empty plate wondering "how can this be?"? Then the waiter brings you a check for the non-existent meal plus a list of requirements In addition to paying the bill you will need to do your dishes, then serve and prepare the meals for next customers You look at him like he's crazy expecting you to pay and do all of this extra stuff Then he says, "if you don't do all of this, no one will do it for you next time" You think, "maybe I'm missing something. Maybe there was something on the plate but I missed it.. this place was a recommendation by my parents" So you pay the bill, perform all of the additional work(s) and you leave hungry.... As you are leaving, you notice a group huddled together laughing and eating just outside the restaurant. You are curious and very hungry....the smell of food wafts through the air and you are drawn closer. Everyone is smiling and laughing...you tap one of them on the shoulder and ask, "What is going on?" The person was seated near you in the restaurant and had left at the same time that you had. He is holding a paper and hands it to you. It says: "It is written: Man must not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4 "Where did you get this?" you ask the man. Everyone in the group stops and looks at you. The silence is deafening and you are concerned they are all going to turn on you for asking what seems to be a silly question. All of a sudden there is a roar of laughter! You stand there and just don't get it! The person next to you sees that you are confused and says: "Camp....we get it at Camp! We bring it back here and share it with everyone that wants to listen. Sometimes we share it with those that don't want to listen. Their choice is to take it or leave it." Isaiah 41:17 17 The poor and the needy seek water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. I, the Lord, will answer them; I, the God of Israel, do not forsake them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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