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Acts 2

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

 

40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

 

41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

 

42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

 

43And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

 

44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

 

45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

 

46And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

 

47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

 

 

What does it mean to Repent to receive the Holy Spirit and what type of baptism should you have?

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What does it mean to Repent to receive the Holy Spirit and what type of baptism should you have?

 

 

For me, repentance means a change, a complete change not just to feel sorry or bad for what you have done.

 

Peter is basically following through with the commission of Christ.

 

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” -Matt 28:19

 

Molokans don’t adhere to this command, but some other churches still do this as the apostles did it, and that was baptizing new believers. I feel this was just an outward or physical act that symbolized the commitment to Christ.

 

Receiving the gift of the spirit seems to be another separate act done through the laying of hands on people who have been baptized. See acts 8:15-17

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What does it mean to Repent to receive the Holy Spirit and what type of baptism should you have?

 

 

For me, repentance means a change, a complete change not just to feel sorry or bad for what you have done.

 

Peter is basically following through with the commission of Christ.

 

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” -Matt 28:19

 

Molokans don’t adhere to this command, but some other churches still do this as the apostles did it, and that was baptizing new believers. I feel this was just an outward or physical act that symbolized the commitment to Christ.

 

Receiving the gift of the spirit seems to be another separate act done through the laying of hands on people who have been baptized. See acts 8:15-17

 

 

Thanks Anak;

I appreciate that. I will read tonight when I get home. I would really like to do research on "baptism" what it means, why it's done and so on. Really would like to find refrences in the Bible and S&L.

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What does it mean to Repent to receive the Holy Spirit and what type of baptism should you have?

 

 

 

 

Repent does mean to change directions and turn to the LORD as in acts 2:38.

 

Here are few more examples.

 

Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.

 

Acts 9:35 So all who dwelt at Lydda and Sharon saw him and turned to the Lord.

 

Acts 11:21 And the hand of the Lord was with them, and a great number believed and turned to the Lord.

 

Other examples:

 

Even the chosen people of Israel after they were in the land needed to repent.

 

1 Samuel 7:3 Then Samuel spoke to all the house of Israel, saying, "If you return to the Lord with all your hearts ,then put away the foreign gods and the Ashtoreths from among you, and prepare your hearts for the Lord, and serve Him only; and He will deliver you from the hand of the Philistines

 

Christians in the church of Pergamos needed to repent

 

Revelation 2:16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth

 

Now for Baptism:

 

Acts 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

 

Peter told them how to be saved: they had to repent of their sins and believe on the sincerity of their repentance and faith by being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, thus identifying themselves publicly with their Messiah and Saviour.

 

Here are some other examples:

 

Romans 6:3-4 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into death? (4) Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

Our identification with Jesus Christ is symbolized by Baptism.

 

Israel was baptized (identified) into Moses.

 

1 Corinthians 10:1-2 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, (2) all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.

 

I heard it best said of baptism "When I got married my wife put my ring on her finger to identify herself with me as one. Now if she refused to put on the ring to identify herself to me, we would still be married and still be one.

 

Just to let you know baptism does not save....

 

Luke 23:42-43 The thief on the cross said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom" (43) And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise"

 

Read Acts 10 and notice verses 44-48 Peter was speaking the Holy Spirit fell upon Cornelius, his family and friends. Notice after they are saved Peter commands them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

 

As for what type, It does'nt matter if your sprinkled, dunked or showered.

 

 

Hope this helps..

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Axiom, i am enjoying your posts, please keep spreading the truth of the Gospel!

 

Cool screenname by the way!

Edited March 29, 2006 by poopsqually

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Axiom,

 

Very imformative, thanks! But why water baptism? Why does there have to be water involved? Where does the Holy Spirit come into play?

 

John the Baptist Says:

Matthew 3:11

11"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

 

And again in Luke 3:16

16John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Edited March 29, 2006 by fountain-drink

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Axiom,

 

Very imformative, thanks! But why water baptism? Why does there have to be water involved? Where does the Holy Spirit come into play?

 

John the Baptist Says:

Matthew 3:11

11"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

 

And again in Luke 3:16

16John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

 

 

Axiom, I had the same question

 

 

Poops, do you feel there's a purpose for water baptism?

Edited March 29, 2006 by broadway

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Poops, do you feel there's a purpose for water baptism?

 

Hi Broadway! while i am not a proponant of water baptism i will give you my understanding of it. Baptism by water is a way that many various denominations show an outward acceptance of Christ, it is a way for one to show that they are being washed of sin, and being reborn as a new creation.

 

I may be wrong in my thoughts on the subject, but thats the understanding that i have come to. Do i agree with it? To be honest i have no opinion either way as i feel it has no bearing on ones salvation, or personal relationship with the Lord.

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Axiom,

 

Very imformative, thanks! But why water baptism? Why does there have to be water involved? Where does the Holy Spirit come into play?

 

John the Baptist Says:

Matthew 3:11

11"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

 

And again in Luke 3:16

16John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

 

 

Great questions, I’ll try to answer the best I can.

 

1. Why water baptism? Why does there have to be water? The Bible set it up that way. We break bread because Jesus broke bread, why don’t we break pizza? The Bible set it up that way.

 

Also John the baptist was being obedient.

 

John 1:33 John said: “I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, “Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit”

 

Here is something to chew on:

 

In the old testament the priests were washed before they served the Lord

 

Leviticus 8:6 Then Moses brought Aaron and his sons and washed them with water.

 

1 Peter 2:5 You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

 

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people that you may proclaim the praises o Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

 

In the old testament the priest were washed before they could serve, in the new testament we are priests, chosen by God for service. So why not get washed.

 

Where does the Holy Spirit come into play?

 

1. The believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit as soon as they hear the word of truth and believe in Jesus.

 

Ephesians 1:13-14 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, (14) Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

 

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

 

In Acts 19 The Holy Spirit not only indwells but also comes upon.

 

Acts 19 4-6 Then Paul said, “ John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is on Christ Jesus.” (5) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

(6) And when Paul had lain hands on them the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

 

 

As for Matthew 3:11 and Luke 3:16, and the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of fire.

 

Baptism of the Spirit came at Pentecost Acts 1:5, also see Holy Spirit above.

 

Acts 1:5 “For John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now” NOTICE there is no mention of fire.

 

Baptism of Fire refers to the future judgment, as explained in Matthew 3:12 and Luke 3:17.

 

Luke 3:17 “His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly purge His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”

 

It is also a direct reference to Malachi 3:2-3

 

Malachi 3:2-3 “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire, And like fullers’ soap. (3) He will sit as a refiner ad a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi ,And purge them as gold and silver, That they may offer to the Lord, An offering in righteousness.

 

I hope I answered all your questions.

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Did a long study on repentance.

 

Repentance does not specifically imply doing something good or bad, but simply implies a turn from one direction to another. As God "repenting" of his judgement against Israel.

 

It is interesting to note that under the dispensation of Grace, no unbeliever is told to repent of their sins. Unbelievers are told to either "believe" or to "repent to God" from their unbelief. Usually the ones who were entrenched in some other religion (pharisees, epicureans, stoics, etc..) were told to repent (of their false faith) to the true faith in Christ. But those who were down and out (the tax collectors, drunkards, whores, etc..) were simply told to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

 

We have to remember that the unbeliever does not have the ability to become righteous.

 

Although, believers do have the ability to seek perfection, and to live righteously in this untoward generation. We have for our Lord The Son of God Almighty himself. He has conquered all and put our bodies of flesh to death on the torture stake with him, that we might be free from sin. The churches in Revelation are commanded to repent of their sins, only because they have the ability and responsibility to do so, as believers.

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13 We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory fading away.

14 But the people’s minds were hardened, and even to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, a veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. (2 Corinthians 2:13-14 NLT)

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As for Matthew 3:11 and Luke 3:16, and the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of fire.

 

Baptism of the Spirit came at Pentecost Acts 1:5, also see Holy Spirit above.

 

Acts 1:5 “For John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now” NOTICE there is no mention of fire.

 

Baptism of Fire refers to the future judgment, as explained in Matthew 3:12 and Luke 3:17.

 

Luke 3:17 “His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly purge His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”

 

It is also a direct reference to Malachi 3:2-3

 

Malachi 3:2-3 “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire, And like fullers’ soap. (3) He will sit as a refiner ad a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi ,And purge them as gold and silver, That they may offer to the Lord, An offering in righteousness.

 

7.But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

8.Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

9.And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

10.The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

 

11"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

12.His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

 

 

The Pharisees and Sadducees were denied even the baptism of water unto repentance. Being that they did not recieve the baptism of John, they could not recieve the baptism of Christ either.

 

The Holy Spirit is in His hand and His threshing floor is on Mount Zion. Only the clean grain remains, while the chaff is blown away by the activity of the Holy Spirit.

 

The Pharisees and Sadducees were cut down and thrown into the fire and deprived of the kingdom of God, which is within you. The wheat was gathered in His barn and the chaff was burned.

 

Hell also is within the unbeliever.

 

Christ said;

 

1."I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.

2.He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.

3.You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.

4.Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

6.If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

7.If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.

8.This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

 

One must be born again of the water and of the Spirit.

 

We are instructed to continue in God's Word, which by the way is not a book, but Christ Himself.

 

Not the crucified dead Christ which today still hangs on the cross, But the Living Resurrected Christ who today dwells within the believer.

 

Paul tells us;

 

For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

 

Christ Himself died according to the scriptures and to the flesh, but was made alive again by the Spirit. He said, "My flesh profits Me nothing."

 

The letter kills, but it is the Spirit which gives life.

 

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man is the Lord from heaven.

As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the Lord from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.

And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the Lord from heaven.

Edited March 30, 2006 by fourvetta

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Christ said;

 

1."I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.

2.He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.

3.You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.

4.Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

6.If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

7.If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.

8.This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

 

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These are very beautiful words, Forvetta, where is this passage found?

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As for Matthew 3:11 and Luke 3:16, and the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of fire.

 

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7.But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

8.Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

9.And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

10.The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

 

11"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

12.His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

 

 

The Pharisees and Sadducees were denied even the baptism of water unto repentance. Being that they did not recieve the baptism of John, they could not recieve the baptism of Christ either.

 

The Holy Spirit is in His hand and His threshing floor is on Mount Zion. Only the clean grain remains, while the chaff is blown away by the activity of the Holy Spirit.

 

The Pharisees and Sadducees were cut down and thrown into the fire and deprived of the kingdom of God, which is within you. The wheat was gathered in His barn and the chaff was burned.

 

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I think what your trying to say is the Pharisees and Sadducees were denied salvation and their judgment was upon them there and then.

 

This is contrary to God’s nature.

 

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

 

Acts 2:36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 

Let’ look at the some of Pharisees and Sadducees that were saved.

 

Luke 23:50-52 And behold, there was a man named Joseph, a council member (Sanhedrin), a good and just man. (51) He had not consented to their counsel and deed. He was from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who himself was also waiting for the kingdom of God.

 

John 19:39 And Nicodemus (Pharisee), who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds.

 

John 12:42 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue.

 

Acts 15:5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “ It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

 

And let’s not forget Paul.

 

Philippians 3:3-7 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, (4) Though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: (5) circumcised the eight day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; (6) concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. (7) But what things were gin to me, thee I have counted loss for Christ.

 

What you wrote “The Pharisees and Sadducees were cut down and thrown into the fire and deprived of the kingdom of God” cannot be correct.

 

Again the baptism by fire as in Matthew 3;11 and Luke 3:16 referred to the judging and cleansing of those who would enter the kingdom (Christ second coming to Jerusalem), as prophesied in Malachi 3:2-3

 

Malachi 3:2-3 “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire, And like fullers’ soap. (3) He will sit as a refiner ad a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi ,And purge them as gold and silver, That they may offer to the Lord, An offering in righteousness.

 

Matthew 3:12 and Luke 3:17 “He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire” refers to Malachi 4:1. Unlike Malachi 3:2-3, which emphasized the purification of Israel. This passage emphasizes the destruction of the wicked (the proud religious leader and every evil doer) all who reject Him (Chaff) will be judged and cast into eternal unquenchable fire. This is for all who reject Him at the second coming.

 

Malachi 4:1 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up” Says the Lord of host, “ that will leave them neither root nor branch.

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What you wrote “The Pharisees and Sadducees were cut down and thrown into the fire and deprived of the kingdom of God” cannot be correct.

 

Again the baptism by fire as in Matthew 3;11 and Luke 3:16 referred to the judging and cleansing of those who would enter the kingdom (Christ second coming to Jerusalem), as prophesied in Malachi 3:2-3

 

Malachi 3:2-3 “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire, And like fullers’ soap. (3) He will sit as a refiner ad a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi ,And purge them as gold and silver, That they may offer to the Lord, An offering in righteousness.

 

Matthew 3:12 and Luke 3:17 “He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire” refers to Malachi 4:1. Unlike Malachi 3:2-3, which emphasized the purification of Israel. This passage emphasizes the destruction of the wicked (the proud religious leader and every evil doer) all who reject Him (Chaff) will be judged and cast into eternal unquenchable fire. This is for all who reject Him at the second coming.

 

The Second Coming of Christ is the second baptism, of the Holy Spirit and fire. Unless one has the spirit of Christ within him, he is not of Christ.

 

The first man is of the earth. The second man is the Lord Himself from heaven, a life giving Spirit.

 

If we are baptized unto Christ's death with Him, then we are also raised from the dead with Him.

 

Christ Himself died according to the flesh and was made alive again by the Spirit. In the likeness of His Resurrection, we are also raised from the dead.

 

Hebrews 9 says this;

 

27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

 

To the jew who eagerly waited for Christ, be it Pharisee, Sadducee or a righteous man, Salvation.

 

But in order for a jew to be saved, he had to come out of Judaism.

 

John in Revelations says this of the jew who rejected Christ.

 

“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write,

‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: 9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty; and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

 

How did the devil throw some of them into prisons? Using the unbelieving Jew who are now a Temple of satan.

 

Matthew 3:12 and Luke 3:17 “He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire” refers to Malachi 4:1. Unlike Malachi 3:2-3, which emphasized the purification of Israel. This passage emphasizes the destruction of the wicked (the proud religious leader and every evil doer) all who reject Him (Chaff) will be judged and cast into eternal unquenchable fire. This is for all who reject Him at the second coming.

 

For this I have to refer you to John 15 again. This is for you too Fountain.

 

1"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.

2.He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.

3.You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.

4.Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

6.If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

7.If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.

8.This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

 

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

 

The next verse says this;

 

10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up

 

Those who are of Christ have crucified the flesh with its lusts.

 

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

 

Malachi 4:1 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up” Says the Lord of host, “ that will leave them neither root nor branch

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In the same chapter, Malachi is referring to Elijah the prophet.

 

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet

Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

6 And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,

And the hearts of the children to their fathers,

Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”

 

Whom Christ said is John the Baptist.

 

9.As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus gave them orders not to tell anyone what they had seen until the Son of Man had risen from the dead. 10.They kept the matter to themselves, discussing what "rising from the dead" meant.

11.And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"

12.Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected? 13.But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

 

13.For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

14.And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

15.He who has ears, let him hear.

 

The Jews did not know the day of visitation of the Lord, even to this day.

 

Christ said, You shall not see Me again until you say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."

 

I think what your trying to say is the Pharisees and Sadducees were denied salvation and their judgment was upon them there and then.

 

This is contrary to God’s nature.

 

Romans 9 speaks of election. Paul calls the Pharisees and Sadduce, likewise the unbelieving Jew, objects of God's wrath who are prepared for destruction.

 

22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory

 

27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:

"Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved.

28For the Lord will carry out his sentence on earth with speed and finality."

 

29It is just as Isaiah said previously: "Unless the Lord Almighty had left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been like Gomorrah.

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The Second Coming of Christ is the second baptism, of the Holy Spirit and fire. Unless one has the spirit of Christ within him, he is not of Christ.

 

 

 

First of all can you give reference, book and passage, because I have never read what you have written here.

 

The Second coming of Christ is of Judgment and war.

 

Revelation 19:11-21 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. (12) His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were any crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood and His name is called The word of God. (14) And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. (15) Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (16) And He has on His rove and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. (17) then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God. (18) that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.” (19) And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. (20) Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. The two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. (21) And the rest were killed with the sword which proceed from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

 

Psalms 2 speaks of nations rage against God’s Son and their desire to break away from the ways of the Lord. Yet God laughs at them and send His Son to break them with a rod of iron and to dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.

 

Isaiah 11:1-5 There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots. (2) The spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, the Spirit o wisdom and understanding, The Spirit of counsel and might, The Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. (3) His delight is in the fear of the Lord, And He shall not judge bu the sight of His eyes, nor decide by the hearing of His ears; (4) But with righteousness He shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked. (5) Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins, And faithfulness the belt of His waist.

 

Isaiah 11:6-10 Isaiah describes the righteous kingdom which the Messiah will set up. The curse of God will be lifted, peace and harmony will be present “the wolf shall dwell with the lamb” ect. And in verse (10) Israel will have a special place in the kingdom because of the Abrahamic Covenant.

 

Isaiah 11:11 It shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set His hand again the Second time to recover the remnant of His people who are left, From Assyria and Egypt, From pathos and Cush, From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the island of the sea.

 

You see the second coming of Christ is Judgment and War, to set up his millennium kingdom (1000 year reign Revelation 20:4), after satan is defeated and bound for a 1000 years.

 

The Second Coming of Christ is the second baptism, of the Holy Spirit and fire. Unless one has the spirit of Christ within him, he is not of Christ.

 

In the same chapter, Malachi is referring to Elijah the prophet.

 

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet

Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

6 And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,

And the hearts of the children to their fathers,

Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”

 

Whom Christ said is John the Baptist..

 

 

 

I’ll let John answer you:

 

John 1;21 “They asked him (John the Baptist), What then? Are you Elijah?“ He said, “I am not”

 

Luke 1: 13-17 The Angel said to Zechariah’s “ Do not be afraid,, your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. (14) And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. (15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy spirit, even from his mother’s womb.(16) An he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. (17) He will also go before Him (Jesus) In the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

 

John will go before the Lord announcing His coming In the spirit and power of Elijah. Luke referred to two passages in Malachi which speaks of a messenger to clear the way before the Lord (Mal 3:1), and Elijah’s return was promised before the day of the Lord (mal 4:5-6) to restore the hearts of the fathers to their children. Zechariah understood that the angel was identifying John the Baptist with the messenger in Malachi 3:1, for in his song of praise he noted that John would “go on before the Lord to prepare the way for Him” Luke 1:76 and Luke 3:4-6.

 

Now Jesus affirmed that John was the fulfillment of Malachi 3:1(Matt 11:10) and stated that John would have fulfilled Malachi 4:5-6 if the people had accepted his message.

 

Matthew 11:14 And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come.

 

If the nation would accept John’s message, they would accept Jesus, and John would fulfill the prophecies of Elijah. But because the nation rejected the Messiah, Elijah’s coming is still future.

 

Peter’s second sermon to the “Men of Israel”

 

Acts 3:19-21 “Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, (20) and that He may send Jesus Christ who was preached to you before, (21) whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

 

Revelation 11 is the fulfillment of prophecy of Elijah in Malachi 4:5-6.

 

The two witnesses will focus on bringing the message to Israel as a nation; though the whole world will hear from them of Jesus Christ, before His Second Coming.

Edited March 31, 2006 by axiom

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The Second coming of Christ is of Judgment and war.

 

True. And in Revelation 19: 11 And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.

 

We are to conquer evil with good. According to the teachings of Christ and by His example.

 

And in Isaiah also

 

(4) But with righteousness He shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked. (5) Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins, And faithfulness the belt of His waist.

 

 

If the nation would accept John’s message, they would accept Jesus, and John would fulfill the prophecies of Elijah. But because the nation rejected the Messiah, Elijah’s coming is still future.

 

Peter’s second sermon to the “Men of Israel”

 

Acts 3:19-21 “Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, (20) and that He may send Jesus Christ who was preached to you before, (21) whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

 

Revelation 11 is the fulfillment of prophecy of Elijah in Malachi 4:5-6.

 

The two witnesses will focus on bringing the message to Israel as a nation; though the whole world will hear from them of Jesus Christ, before His Second Coming.

 

Israel has already heard the message and rejected it.

 

16.But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?"

17.Consequently, faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

18.But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:

"Their voice has gone out into all the earth,

their words to the ends of the world."

19Again I ask: Did Israel not understand?

 

The two witnesses will not be sent to them, but to gather the lost sheep of the house of New Israel.

 

23Jesus said to them, "Surely you will quote this proverb to me: 'Physician, heal yourself! Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.' "

 

24."I tell you the truth," he continued, "no prophet is accepted in his hometown.

25.I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah's time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land.

26.Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon.

27.And there were many in Israel with leprosy in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed—only Naaman the Syrian."

 

28.All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this.

29.They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him down the cliff.

30.But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.

 

Both the widow and Naaman were gentiles and not Israelites. Which is the reason that they got angry when Christ pointed that out to them.

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Israel has already heard the message and rejected it.

 

16.But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?"

17.Consequently, faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

18.But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:

"Their voice has gone out into all the earth,

their words to the ends of the world."

19Again I ask: Did Israel not understand?

 

The two witnesses will not be sent to them, but to gather the lost sheep of the house of New Israel..

 

 

I see where your teaching comes from, “the house of New Israel“.

 

All religions, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics, Bahi Faith, Muslims, and Molokans, all believe they are either the lost tribes of Israel and/or the new Israel.

 

But in Ezekiel 37, the prophecy was fulfilled in the year 1948 and Israel again became a nation. Therefore making Israel as a physical fulfillment, not a spiritual fulfillment as the religions of the world hoped for.

 

Ezekiel 37:1-14 The hand of the Lord came upon me and brought me out in the Spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley; and it was full of bones.

(2) Then He caused me to pass by them all around, and behold, there were very many in the open valley; and indeed they were very dry.

(3) And He said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” So I answered, “O Lord god you know”

(4) Again He said to me, “Prophesy to these bones, and say to them, “O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord!

(5) “Thus says the Lord God to these bones; surely I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live.

(6) I will put sinews on you and bring flesh uon you, cover you with skin and breath in you; and you shall live. Then you shall know that I am the Lord.”

(7) So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and suddenly a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to bone.

(8)Indeed, as I looked, the sinews and the flesh came upon them, and the skin covered them over; but there was no breath in them.

(9)Then He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, “Thus says the Lord God: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.”

(10So I prophesied as He commanded me, and breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.

(11)Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. They indeed say, “Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!

(12) “Therefore prophesy and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

(13)Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves.

(14)I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I WILL PLACE YOU IN YOUR OWN LAND. Then you shall know that I, the Lord have spoken it and performed it, says the Lord.”

 

Amos 9:14-15

(14)“I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; they shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; they shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.

(15)I will plant them in their land, and no longer shall they be pulled up from the land I have given them,” says the Lord your God.

 

 

Now that we have established Israel is Israel and not “the house of New Israel“. Well go back to where the two witnesses are preaching.

 

The two witnesses will not be sent to them, but to gather the lost sheep of the house of New Israel

 

Look at Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO OUR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED.

 

The great city is Jerusalem where are Lord was crucified.

 

Spiritually called Sodom and Egypt:

 

You can read for yourself Isaiah 1. The whole chapter the Lord talks to Israel as a nation and likened them to Sodom and Gomorrah (vs. 10)

Edited April 2, 2006 by axiom

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Amos 9:14-15

(14)“I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; they shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; they shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.

(15)I will plant them in their land, and no longer shall they be pulled up from the land I have given them,” says the Lord your God.

 

 

Now that we have established Israel is Israel and not “the house of New Israel“.

 

Paul is pretty clear in Romans 9 that all of Israel is not Israel. In that scripture Paul explains that it is those who are born after the Spirit and not after the flesh are the true descendants of Abraham by faith.

 

6.It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.

7.Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."

8.In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

 

You can read for yourself Isaiah 1. The whole chapter the Lord talks to Israel as a nation and likened them to Sodom and Gomorrah (vs. 10)

 

Agreed. Not a pretty picture. They all will perish like the inhabits thereof.

 

In that same chapter;

 

27.Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:

"Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved.

28.For the Lord will carry out his sentence on earth with speed and finality."

29.It is just as Isaiah said previously:

"Unless the Lord Almighty had left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been like Gomorrah."

 

Well go back to where the two witnesses are preaching.

 

The two witnesses will not be sent to them, but to gather the lost sheep of the house of New Israel

 

Look at Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO OUR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED.

 

The great city is Jerusalem where are Lord was crucified.

 

Spiritually called Sodom and Egypt:

 

Spiritually called... not physically.

 

The two witnesess will come from the Molokan generation.

 

Christ said, "It cannot be be that a prophet should die outside of Jerusalem."

 

53.When Jesus had finished these parables, he moved on from there. 54.Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. "Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?" they asked.

55."Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

56.Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?"

57.And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

58.And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

 

I'll let you come to your own conclusion on that.

Edited April 2, 2006 by fourvetta

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Spiritually called... not physically.

 

The two witnesess will come from the Molokan generation.

 

Christ said, "It cannot be be that a prophet should die outside of Jerusalem."

 

 

You can read for yourself Isaiah 1. The whole chapter the Lord talks to Israel as a nation and likened them to Sodom and Gomorrah (vs. 10)

 

I‘ll spell it out for you..

 

Isaiah 1:3-11

(3) The ox knows its owner and the donkey its master’s crib; but Israel does not know, My people do not consider. THE LORD IS SPEAKING OF ISRAEL

 

Drop down to verse 8

 

(8) So the daughter of Zion is left as a booth in a vineyard, as a hut in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

(9) Unless the Lord of hosts had left to us a very small remnant, we would have become like Sodom. We would have been made like Gomorrah.

 

Now notice the word LIKE before Sodom and Gomorrah

 

(10)Hear the word of the Lord, You rulers of Sodom; Give ear to the Law of OUR God, you people of Gomorrah

 

Isaiah likened the rulers and people of Judah to those evil cities. Isaiah also says to give ear to the LORD OUR GOD, speaking directly to the people of Israel

 

Look at Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO OUR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED.

 

The great city is Jerusalem where are Lord was crucified.

 

Spiritually called Sodom and Egypt: because of the people’s (Jew and Gentile) rejection of the Lords two witnesses.

 

Now we have established that the Two Witnesses are in Jerusalem and are preaching to the people of Israel and the gentile’s in Jerusalem. Yet all the people of the world will hear them.

 

The two witnesses will come from the Molokan generation. “Say What?”."

 

We have established already that Elijah is not John the Baptist.

 

John 1;21 “They asked him (John the Baptist), What then? Are you Elijah?“ He said, “I am not”

 

And we also established that before the Second Coming Of Jesus, Elijah would be the fulfillment of Malachi 4:5

 

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

 

Unless Elijah has become a Molokan. Somehow I just don’t think so.

 

Christ said, "It cannot be that a prophet should die outside of Jerusalem."."

 

This verse is in Luke 13:33

 

(33) Jesus said “Nevertheless I must journey today, tomorrow, and the day following; for it cannot be that a prophet should die OUTSIDE of Jerusalem.

 

Look at the entire passage;

 

Luke 13:31The Pharisees came, saying to Him “Get out and depart from here, for Herod wants to kill you.”

(32) And Jesus said to them “Go tell that fox, Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected”

(33) Look above.

 

Jesus was appointed to die in Jerusalem, and the Pharisees wanted to just to get rid of Jesus. Because Jesus had publicly stated that His goal was to reach Jerusalem, and He was well on His way.

 

Luke 9:51 Now it came to pass, when the time had come for Him to be received up, that He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem.

 

Now I have answered all questions concerning this post on repent, I have given explanations and passages.

 

You have not given passages for the statements you have made, or answered my questions, so if you can please give reference,passage,book,chapter,verse and keep it in the context of the chapter.

 

And if you can answer these statements of yours below I would appreciate it.

 

The Pharisees and Sadducees were denied even the baptism of water unto repentance. Being that they did not recieve the baptism of John, they could not recieve the baptism of Christ either.

 

The Holy Spirit is in His hand and His threshing floor is on Mount Zion. Only the clean grain remains, while the chaff is blown away by the activity of the Holy Spirit.

 

The Pharisees and Sadducees were cut down and thrown into the fire and deprived of the kingdom of God, which is within you. The wheat was gathered in His barn and the chaff was burned.

 

Hell also is within the unbeliever.

 

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The Second Coming of Christ is the second baptism, of the Holy Spirit and fire. Unless one has the spirit of Christ within him, he is not of Christ.

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In the same chapter, Malachi is referring to Elijah the prophet.

 

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet

Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

6 And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,

And the hearts of the children to their fathers,

Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”

 

Whom Christ said is John the Baptist.

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The two witnesses will not be sent to them, but to gather the lost sheep of the house of New Israel.

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The two witnesses will come from the Molokan generation.."

[sadichka 0]

This is a good topic too!

 

Sada

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This is a good thread and with such I give it a (bump)

 

Or to give it a more Euro feel bÃœmp

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Did an interesting study on the word repent. A common misunderstanding of the word "repent" is that it is only a religious word.

 

The best way to study The Scriptures is to let the book define itself, and the words of God therein.

 

Repentance simply means to turn and do the opposite of what you were doing.

 

Under the dispensation of Grace, unbelievers are never told to repent of their sins to come to Christ.

The only repentance that is mentioned is to repent to The LORD, and most often it is those with a false faith or religion. The down and out sinners are most often told just to believe the gospel, as they already have no hope.

 

Romans 4:4-5 "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

 

He justifieth the ungodly!! This is what God wants you to bring to him, your sin, your wretchedness, your inability to live up to what you feel is right and good, your hatred, your lust, your wrath, your envy, your drunkeness, your pride. Bring Him your filthy wretched life, bring to him your ungodliness.

 

Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

 

It is not enough to believe in Jesus. But Believe Him, believe what He said & trust Him; He will justify you, and He will consider it unto you as righteousness.

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18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money,

 

19 saying, “Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

 

20 But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!

 

21 “You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.

 

22 “Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you.

23 “For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.”

 

24 But Simon answered and said, “Pray to the Lord for me yourselves, so that nothing of what you have said may come upon me.” Acts 8: 18-24 NASB

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“Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. ” (James 4:9, NAS)

 

 

“I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. ” (2 Corinthians 7:9–10, NAS)

 

 

 

 

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I hadn't read everything on this post, but I thought I'd reply with what I've found in my studies.

 

The word "baptism" means "immersion or submersion". If you baptize with water, a simple sprinkle or light wash is not considered baptism. Total immersion is required for this physical act. When John baptized, he did it at the Jordon river, why? If a little sprinkle of water were enough, he could have done it in the town. But he didn't, he went to baptize the multitude of people down by the river because the river was sufficient to totally immerse people in water (Matthew 3:4-6).

 

Now as for baptism with the Holy Spirit or with water... I will say this. The apostles AFTER Christ's resurrection still baptized with water. One of the best examples is when Philip baptized the eunuch.

 

Acts 8:36-38

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

 

This, along with Acts 10:44-48, shows the order with which baptism is conducted.

 

1. Believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God

2. Receive the Holy Spirit (baptism by Holy Spirit) - this is seen in Acts 10.

3. Baptism by water (total immersion)

 

Baptism by water is always done AFTER the established belief in Jesus as the Son of God. Thus it is only possible for those who are old enough to understandably believe. Babies baptisms by water does not seem to follow Biblical doctrine.

 

But I haven't studied this in full detail as of yet. This is only what I've recently come across. I too am continuing in this study.

 

 

 

 

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There are only two ordinance or observances given by Jesus for the Christian

 

Communion and Baptism

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

If you baptize with water, a simple sprinkle or light wash is not considered baptism. Total immersion is required for this physical act. When John baptized, he did it at the Jordon river, why? If a little sprinkle of water were enough, he could have done it in the town. But he didn't, he went to baptize the multitude of people down by the river because the river was sufficient to totally immerse people in water (Matthew 3:4-6).

 

The true holy water is not that which the pope sprinkles, but is distilled from the penitent eye. - Thomas Watson (1620-86)

 

 

 

 

[KevinPolyaNazaroff 0]

baptizo (strongs 907)

80 occurrences; AV translates as “baptize” 76 times, “wash” twice, “baptist” once, and “baptized + 2258” once.

1 to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk).

2 to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe.

3 to overwhelm.

 

Additional Information: Not to be confused with 911, bapto. The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be ‘dipped’ (bapto) into boiling water and then ‘baptised’ (baptizo) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change. When used in the New Testament, this word more often refers to our union and identification with Christ than to our water baptism. e.g. Mark 16:16. ‘He that believes and is baptised shall be saved’. Christ is saying that mere intellectual assent is not enough. There must be a union with him, a real change, like the vegetable to the pickle!

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bapto (strongs 911)

Three occurrences; AV translates as “dip” three times.

1 to dip, dip in, immerse.

2 to dip into dye, to dye, colour.

 

Additional Information: Not to be confused with 907, baptizo. The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be ‘dipped’ (bapto) into boiling water and then ‘baptised’ (baptizo) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change.

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PSALM 32

A Psalm of David.

A Maskil.

 

1 How blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered!

2 How blessed is the man to whom the LORD does not impute iniquity, And in whose spirit there is no deceit!

3 When I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away Through my groaning all day long.

4 For day and night Your hand was heavy upon me; My vitality was drained away as with the fever heat of summer.Selah.

 

5 I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I did not hide; I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD”; And You forgave the guilt of my sin.Selah.

 

6 Therefore, let everyone who is godly pray to You in a time when You may be found; Surely in a flood of great waters they will not reach him.

7 You are my hiding place; You preserve me from trouble; You surround me with songs of deliverance.Selah.

 

8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go; I will counsel you with My eye upon you.

9 Do not be as the horse or as the mule which have no understanding, Whose trappings include bit and bridle to hold them in check, Otherwise they will not come near to you.

10 Many are the sorrows of the wicked, But he who trusts in the LORD, lovingkindness shall surround him.

11 Be glad in the LORD and rejoice, you righteous ones; And shout for joy, all you who are upright in heart.

Psalm 32 NAS