What Came First? The Chicken Or The Egg?

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I recently compared the "book of Mormon" to the "S&L" and received the following replies:

 

Why do I bring up the book of Mormon and what does it have to do with the S&L?

 

I responded The reason I brought up the book of Mormon is because in the 1830s and the beginnings of the Mormon church, followers believed that

Joseph Smith, Jr. had been called as a prophet of God, and accepted The Book of Mormon as scripture.

 

Joseph Smith was a false prophet who has deceived many. The truth is that the Bible contains the completeness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many incere Mormons do not know the truth, and are discouraged from investigating it.

 

Sound familiar? It is s very similar to Maxcim and the Spirit and Life. Again, why isn't the Bible enough for you?

 

They responded with:

 

Why would you ignore the Holy Spirit and tell it to get out of your life? Or are you saying God will not reveal anymore to anyone?

 

And I agree, Book of Mormon is another topic, nor one that really merits much discussion.

 

and

 

If all we need is the Bible, then why do we need the spirit of prophecy? Do you believe in the Spirit of prophecy?

 

I responded saying that we should believe in the Holy Spirit and prophecy, but we should question "who's name the spirit comes in".

 

Why do Macxim's followers always skirt the issue and dance around questions?

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Literally or "spiritually"?

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I recently compared the "book of Mormon" to the "S&L" and received the following replies:

 

Why do I bring up the book of Mormon and what does it have to do with the S&L?

 

I responded The reason I brought up the book of Mormon is because in the 1830s and the beginnings of the Mormon church, followers believed that

Joseph Smith, Jr. had been called as a prophet of God, and accepted The Book of Mormon as scripture.

 

Joseph Smith was a false prophet who has deceived many. The truth is that the Bible contains the completeness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many incere Mormons do not know the truth, and are discouraged from investigating it.

 

Sound familiar? It is s very similar to Maxcim and the Spirit and Life. Again, why isn't the Bible enough for you?

 

They responded with:

 

Why would you ignore the Holy Spirit and tell it to get out of your life? Or are you saying God will not reveal anymore to anyone?

 

And I agree, Book of Mormon is another topic, nor one that really merits much discussion.

 

and

 

If all we need is the Bible, then why do we need the spirit of prophecy? Do you believe in the Spirit of prophecy?

 

I responded saying that we should believe in the Holy Spirit and prophecy, but we should question "who's name the spirit comes in".

 

Why do Macxim's followers always skirt the issue and dance around questions?

 

I find it odd that many of these sects that popped up in the nineteenth century all claim to be inspired and the TRUE church while everyone else is of Satan.

 

I also find it odd that these leaders boast about how much the Holy Spirit has revealed to them, while showing no respect for other men who possibly may have been used by the same Spirit.

 

It has made me wonder.

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Regarding:

 

They responded with:

 

Why would you ignore the Holy Spirit and tell it to get out of your life? Or are you saying God will not reveal anymore to anyone?

 

and

 

If all we need is the Bible, then why do we need the spirit of prophecy? Do you believe in the Spirit of prophecy?

 

 

 

I responded saying that we should believe in the Holy Spirit and prophecy, but we should question "who's name the spirit comes in".

 

Why do Macxim's followers always skirt the issue and dance around questions?

 

This is a circular problem and controversy that has existed for generations among our Molokan people. At issue is the Holy Spirit Who comes from the Lord, versus "spiritual" revelations given by inspiration of false spirits, which have not been sent by God.

 

When the Lord Jesus Christ taught His followers about the Holy Spirit, He said that....

 

....He dwells with you and will be in you. (John 14:15-18)

 

....He will bear witness about me. (John 15:26)

 

....He will guide you into all the truth (John 16:13-15)

 

 

This is the same Holy Spirit Who dwells today in every person who has ever confessed their sins and repented before God, in each person who accepts and believes that the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross is full payment for those sins, in every person who has received Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior.

 

This is the very Holy Spirit Who dwells in today's Bible based Molokan Christians.

 

This is the same Holy Spirit Who guides the Bible based Christian Molokans to distinguish between the spirit of prophecy that comes from the Lord, which is always consistent with the written Word of God in the Holy Scriptures, versus the spirit of prophecy that comes from the false, counterfeit spirit(s) of the Rudometkinites, and the writings in the Spirit and Life book.

 

This is the same Holy Spirit Who leads the Bible based Molokans with a mind of discernment, in order to identify Rudometkin's heresies that are written in the Spirit and Life book, and to recognize the many contradictions that exist between what Rudometkin taught, versus what God teaches His children, according to what is recorded in the Bible.

 

1) For example, based on what Rudometkin wrote in the Spirit and Life book, Rudometkin introduced a "new spirit" to his followers.

 

A summons into the new Kingdom of peace of our Lord Jesus Christ, of all generations and peoples alike. Let each heed - those that have ears - and with them, listen well to that which my new Spirit evangelizes in new fiery tongues, to all of you, regarding the promised peace for a thousand years. Amen. (Page 352, Book 6, Article 17, beginning paragraph)

 

 

 

It is written in the Scriptures that there is only ONE true spirit, which is the Holy Spirit:

 

There is one body and one Spirit”just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call”

 

one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

 

one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

 

 

 

2) In addition, based on what Rudometkin wrote in the Spirit and Life book, Rudometkin introduced a "new pathway" to God, which included Rudometkin himself at the very centerpiece, as the alleged "new" king of Israel.

 

Here I (Rudometkin), the new Youlia-Yar, am telling you then all that was bestowed upon me to reveal to you about myself and my new spirit, which every minute teaches me that I must blaze for you a new pathway to Paradise.  (Spirit and Life book, Page 326, Book 5, Article 20, Introduction)

 

I wish to reveal all of this for you the New Israel, in these same lines, and show all of you truly the new path of the King my God, and the eternal procession of it. (Page 508, Book 10, Article 18, Verse 3)(Page 508, Book 10, Article 18, Verse 3)

 

 

It is written in the Scriptures that there is only ONE way to God the Father, and this ONLY "pathway" is the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is described in the Bible as the same yesterday, today and forever. In other words, there is nothing "NEW" about Him. He is the Ancient of Days.

 

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

 

 

I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

 

And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. (1 John 5:13-20)

 

 

 

3) Based on what Rudometkin wrote in the Spirit and Life book, he promised to "reward" his followers with eternal life, and as the sign of the seal that he would do this, he promised the Rudometkinites that he, Rudometkin, would coronate himself with a crown of gold, to be their "king" and "giver" of eternal life.

 

For this you will be rewarded by me with eternal life [be "rewarded" with eternal life by Rudometkin himself], and the Kingdom of peace of our Lord Jesus Christ, upon this good land for a thousand years. (Verse 5)

 

Moreover, you will truly be given all of this from me [given from Rudometkin, personally], if only you justly fulfill my will in the Spirit. (Verse 6)

 

Meanwhile I, first of all, will clothe myself [Rudometkin will clothe himself] in garments of scarlet, and then....

 

I shall place a crown of gold upon my head.... (Page 352, Book 6, Article 17, Verses 1-13)

 

 

 

It is written in the Scriptures that there is only ONE savior Who gives eternal life, and that person is the Lord Jesus Christ:

 

Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on Him God the Father has set His seal. (John 6:27)

 

 

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

 

I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

 

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

 

I and the Father are one. (John 10:27-30)

 

 

When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you,

 

since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.

 

And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." (John 17:1-3)

 

 

 

These are only three of the most obvious contradictions between what is the written Word of God in the Bible, versus the written word of heresy in the Spirit and Life book. And the list goes on.

 

It has been my experience that the reason Rudometkin's followers always skirt the issue and dance around questions is because the list of discrepancies and contradictions in the Spirit and Life book are seemingly endless, and the arrogant pride dwelling within the Rudometkinites does not allow them to accept or admit the truth, which is so obvious to those who are indwelled by the Holy Spirit.

 

The "spirit" that dwells within the Rudometkinites is not the same as the Holy Spirit Who dwells within the Bible based Christian Molokans. One is true, and the other is counterfeit. As Rudometkin wrote:

 

Here I (Rudometkin), the new Youlia-Yar, am telling you then all that was bestowed upon me to reveal to you about myself and my new spirit, which every minute teaches me that I must blaze for you a new pathway to Paradise.  (Spirit and Life book, Page 326, Book 5, Article 20, Introduction)

 

 

Those who are the followers of Rudometkin are not willing to admit that their "king and leader" was a Biblically illiterate heretic, who was not interested in being able to correctly handle the Word of Truth, and as a result, was deceived into believing himself to be something that he wasn't.

 

The fact that Rudometkin harbored pornographic fantasies about having sex with virgins, resulted in him incorporating those carnal urges with the concept of "spiritual wifery", which Rudometkin adapted from his own personal Khlystical influences.

 

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Interestingly that is the same period when Grabianka show up on the Russian bringing the "new israel" concept

 

Freemasonry, Kabbalah and Russians

 

I recently compared the "book of Mormon" to the "S&L" and received the following replies:

 

Why do I bring up the book of Mormon and what does it have to do with the S&L?

 

I responded The reason I brought up the book of Mormon is because in the 1830s and the beginnings of the Mormon church, followers believed that

Joseph Smith, Jr. had been called as a prophet of God, and accepted The Book of Mormon as scripture.

 

Joseph Smith was a false prophet who has deceived many. The truth is that the Bible contains the completeness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many incere Mormons do not know the truth, and are discouraged from investigating it.

 

Sound familiar? It is s very similar to Maxcim and the Spirit and Life. Again, why isn't the Bible enough for you?

 

They responded with:

 

Why would you ignore the Holy Spirit and tell it to get out of your life? Or are you saying God will not reveal anymore to anyone?

 

And I agree, Book of Mormon is another topic, nor one that really merits much discussion.

 

and

 

If all we need is the Bible, then why do we need the spirit of prophecy? Do you believe in the Spirit of prophecy?

 

I responded saying that we should believe in the Holy Spirit and prophecy, but we should question "who's name the spirit comes in".

 

Why do Macxim's followers always skirt the issue and dance around questions?

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To answer the topic question........The Chicken.

God, when He created the Earth, did so with fully mature Animals and Humans

[Guest Guest_steadfast_*]

I recently compared the "book of Mormon" to the "S&L" and received the following replies:

 

Why do I bring up the book of Mormon and what does it have to do with the S&L?

 

I responded The reason I brought up the book of Mormon is because in the 1830s and the beginnings of the Mormon church, followers believed that

Joseph Smith, Jr. had been called as a prophet of God, and accepted The Book of Mormon as scripture.

 

Joseph Smith was a false prophet who has deceived many. The truth is that the Bible contains the completeness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many incere Mormons do not know the truth, and are discouraged from investigating it.

 

Sound familiar? It is s very similar to Maxcim and the Spirit and Life. Again, why isn't the Bible enough for you?

 

They responded with:

 

Why would you ignore the Holy Spirit and tell it to get out of your life? Or are you saying God will not reveal anymore to anyone?

 

And I agree, Book of Mormon is another topic, nor one that really merits much discussion.

 

and

 

If all we need is the Bible, then why do we need the spirit of prophecy? Do you believe in the Spirit of prophecy?

 

I responded saying that we should believe in the Holy Spirit and prophecy, but we should question "who's name the spirit comes in".

 

Why do Macxim's followers always skirt the issue and dance around questions?

 

I find it odd that many of these sects that popped up in the nineteenth century all claim to be inspired and the TRUE church while everyone else is of Satan.

 

I also find it odd that these leaders boast about how much the Holy Spirit has revealed to them, while showing no respect for other men who possibly may have been used by the same Spirit.

 

It has made me wonder.

I read (Dz. Google) about William Miller of the "Millerites Fame" having to do with what is called "The Second Great Awakening-White". Could that be the missing link of religion I think you are referring to?

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To answer the topic question........The Chicken.

God, when He created the Earth, did so with fully mature Animals and Humans

Yes the chicken, Science Fact, because only in a chicken ovary is a protein that is needed for the egg shell to harden.

 

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Why do Macxim's followers always skirt the issue and dance around questions?

I believe that my Lord God (as He is proclaimed in the Holy Scriptures), addressees this question with this proclamation of pure Truth;

 

Luke 11: 33 No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light. 34 The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is good, your whole body also is full of light. But when your eye is bad, your body also is full of darkness. 35 Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. NKJV

 

Луки 11: 33 Никто, зажегши свечу, не ставит ее в сокровенном месте, ни под сосудом, но на подсвечнике, чтобы входящие видели свет. 34 Светильник тела есть око; итак, если око твое будет чисто, то и все тело твое будет светло; а если оно будет худо, то и тело твое будет темно. 35 Итак, смотри: свет, который в тебе, не есть ли тьма?

 

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