If Mgr Had A Theme Song

[seeking_truth_1 0]

You never know ;)

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[steadfast 0]

Congratulations, It took me 5 min. to stop laughing. I enjoyed it very much. GREAT! THANKYOU!

[Guest fourvetta]

He does.

 

Its called, "I am the Book of the Sun."

[anonymous 0]

He does.

 

Its called, "I am the Book of the Sun."

fourvetta,

 

And WHAT exactly is the "book of the sun?"

[Prophet 0]

Congratulations, It took me 5 min. to stop laughing. I enjoyed it very much. GREAT! THANKYOU!

Can someone tell me what is so funny, I seem to have missed it.

[steadfast 0]

O.K. Prophet, Here's the scoop! Get it, scoop, straight from the barn floor, some of Maxim's finest.

 

Although Rudometkin never uses the specific word "reincarnation" anywhere in his writings, what Rudometkin is describing here is clearly reincarnation. This is not a "metaphor", nor is it an "allegory". In the above passage, Rudometkin is writing to his followers about other human beings, people who Rudometkin describes in Verse 9 as those who "disobey" him. Rudometkin clearly states that as a result of their disobedience, these people will be changed from the body of a human into the body of an animal.

 

This concept of reincarnation is a common theme that is also found in other excerpts from Rudometkin`s writings in the Spirit and Life book.

 

For this reason, it was given to me personally and alone, to go forth and suffer for it (to suffer for the name of the One Who is seated on the white horse), and to stand before Him at the conclusion of all the ages as a white horse...(Page 486, Verse 2)

 

Rudometkin is clearly stating that at the conclusion of all the ages, he will no longer be in the body of a human, but will be changed into the body of a horse. The implication here is that Rudometkin will become the very white horse that is ridden by the Lord Jesus Christ, as it is written in the Bible, in the book of Revelation 19:11.

 

Rudometkin writes that his followers will also be reincarnated from humans into horses.

 

For this reason, all such people (Rudometkin`s "faithful", mentioned in the previous verse), at their given time, will be clothed with the bodies of white horses...(Page 576, Verse 8)

 

In the Bible, it is written this way:

For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; Who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory...(Philippians 3:20-21)

 

This information was researched and origionaly submitted by another forum participant. To this person for their untiring effort. THANK YOU FOR EXPOSING THIS HERESY AND STEERING PEOPLE TOWARD CHRIST.

 

Sincerely Steadfast

[steadfast 0]

Sorry Prophet, I overlooked more truth. Steadfast

 

Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we shall be. We know that when He appears, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him just as He is. (1 John 3:2)

 

In the Gospel accounts that are written in the Bible, after the Lord Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead, he exists in a glorified body, in the form of a human being, with hands and feet, with a body and head, with a mouth that spoke and through which He ate food together with His disciples. Like so much of the other writings that are in the Spirit and Life book, Rudometkin`s theory of reincarnation is not Biblical.

[Prophet 0]

OK...Let me start from the beginning...quoting seeking...

You never know  ;)

Now... Seeking....what are you refering to when you quoted this?

 

Steadfast....You said...

Congratulations, It took me 5 min. to stop laughing. I enjoyed it very much. GREAT! THANKYOU!

I understand this "reincarnation" stuff, is this what you are laughing at?

 

Or am I missing a post somewhere.

[Guest manna]

Good evening, Prophet,

 

I guess Seeking and Steadfast took for granted that you had "sound".....Seeking's post was accompanied with music.....from Mister Ed's television show of the 50's...."A Horse is a horse, of course!"

 

I also found it funny but at the same time, reading the exchanges here with Fourvetta, I find it tragic.

 

Fourvetta is convinced that Makcim is specifically chosen by God to be "that somebody special", as if Jesus is not everything and enough for all, to lead this "special and unique" group of sinners to a "special and unique" place set apart for them alone in the 1000-year millenium which will be in Nikitino according to his "god of the faithful".

 

Instead of the Scriptures being a "light uto his feet", Fourvetta is drowning in the world of Makcim's own egotistical Khlyst fantasies and false doctrines of a "christ" for every generation!

 

I don't know who Fourvetta is but I don't want anyone to perish.....but the Scriptures tell us that not all who say "Lord, Lord" will enter into His kingdom! It will be too late for some very sincere and "nice" church-going people who trusted in Makcim's words instead of the words of God in the Bible.

 

An interesting appropos analogy from today's resounding victory for President Bush and for eleven states that voted against gay marriage legalization: the gays and lesbians in my liberal county office, instead of stopping and considering what this victory is "saying" to them, proceed to dig in their heels and say, "we'll fight harder next year"!

 

It never occurred to them that THEY might be doing something "unclean" which is not approved of by their fellow citizens.......they continue headlong into the dark abyss with stubborn tenacity.

 

Fourvetta, and all other Makcimisti who have come on these Molokan forums, have been soundly rebuked by the word of God, handled by men and women who are approved by God for rightly dividing His word.....their "hero" has been debunked via Scripture, history, and family stories passed down from generation to generation, and yet, they continue headlong into the dark abyss with stubborn tenacity....all the while, not making a lick of sense....tragic but true.

[steadfast 0]

Prophet, I see what's going on here.

 

Is it that you don't recognize or can't hear the tune that is automaticaly downloaded with Seeking Truth's post. Increase the volumn on your computer. Your not the only one who doesn't realize that there is a tune that's goes with his post "A horse is a horse is a horse of course and his name is Mr. Ed."

 

Sorry for any misunderstanding, with my sence of humor I thought it was funny and dead on target.

[Guest fourvetta]

Rudometkin clearly states that as a result of their disobedience, these people will be changed from the body of a human into the body of an animal.

 

Much like King Nebuchadnezzar

 

*****

 

4:31 While the word was in the king`s mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.

4:32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

4:33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles feathers, and his nails like birds` claws.

 

Those who are disobedient at the time of the Second Coming, look like this.

 

9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

 

9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

 

Th king over the two hundred million called Apollyon is the one in Revelation 6

 

6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Evening All:

 

I figured out a way to get the Mr. Ed theme song to play when you enter this thread

 

It was done in keeping with the non-sense that forvetta is putting forth

 

Hopefully to illustrate the lu·di·crous·ness of his twisted doctrine

 

defined as: meriting derisive laughter or scorn as absurdly inept, false, or foolish (according to Websters Dictionary)

 

forvetta won't / can't answer questions about MGR's alleged "equality" with Christ or how non-molokans get to Heaven and a host of others because it would make him (forvetta) look even more foolish

 

As you know MGR claimed the following

 

SNL Pg. 607 Bk. 14 Art. 10 Ver. 4

And verily, I well know that with this new name of mine I [M.G.R.] shall never die.

I shall only be renewed manifestly in this body of mine every hundred years.

 

Has anyone seem MGR lately?

 

27 About noontime Elijah began mocking them. "You'll have to shout louder," he scoffed, "for surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or he is relieving himself. Or maybe he is away on a trip, or he is asleep and needs to be wakened!"

 

28 So they shouted louder, and following their normal custom, they cut themselves with knives and swords until the blood gushed out.

 

29 They raved all afternoon until the time of the evening sacrifice, but still there was no reply, no voice, no answer. (1Ki 18:27-29 NLT)

 

Sound familiar?

 

or you may prefer

 

He`s not pinin,' he`s passed on! This parrot is no more! It has ceased to be! He`s expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late parrot! He`s a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he would be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians! He`s hopped the twig! He`s shuffled off this mortal coil! He`s run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This.... is an EX-PARROT!

[anakainosis 0]

I heard recently Maxim was spotted buying a B.B.Q at a Home Depot in Whittier, Ca; he was seen with overalls on with a poise and he look disheveled. Can anyone confirm this?

[Prophet 0]

Prophet, I see what's going on here.

 

Is it that you don't recognize or can't hear the tune that is automaticaly downloaded with Seeking Truth's post. Increase the volumn on your computer. Your not the only one who doesn't realize that there is a tune that's goes with his post "A horse is a horse is a horse of course and his name is Mr. Ed."

 

Sorry for any misunderstanding, with my sence of humor I thought it was funny and dead on target.

Steadfast...

 

For a moment I thought I was losing it.

 

I moved my computer to another room and haven't hooked up my speakers as yet.

 

In a figurative sense I literally and allegorically thank you...

[anonymous 0]

Mr. Bill Prohoroff would be "qualified" to confirm seeing mgr since Mr. Prohoroff while living in Australia not only saw mgr alongside the road while on one of his rubbish routes, but he actually picked mgr up, and conversed with him.

 

Perhaps these conversations with mgr "inspired" Mr. Prohoroff's more "accurate" translation of his hero's memoirs since Mr. Prohoroff's rendition would have come directly from the "horse's" mouth???

[Guest Guest]

Anakainosis, Last week I got a call, that Maxim was spotted working at the Kerman Carwash. Not bad for a geezer that original would have been some where between 181 and 210 years old. The reporter said, "He had a few, what looked like stray dogs following him".

 

It just occurred to me, could these be the dogs that "Mad Maxof Blunder Dome" prophesied about?

 

From the Horses mouth and foolishly put into writing on page 213 verse 10, for all to biblically discern!

"And where, to whom, equally all of these, personally will be given to them FROM GOD, the BODIES of swine and dogs and in which they together all will stand on FOUR FEET and walk; also they will eat all kinds of dead flesh, wherever they happen upon it."

 

Anonymous, Billy Pro should have hired Maxim and put him to work doing the route. This would added a new meaning to "Garbage in and Garbage out!"

[anakainosis 0]

Anonymous, one of the key words in your Prohoroff statement is ˜rubbish`.

 

Note to the readers this is an equivocal term. It not only means ˜trash` in the sense of trash route but also could mean whatever comes from the Prohoroff camp/mouth is rubbish if that is what`s picked up on those routes.

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[seeking_truth_1 0]

I had heard that he (MGR) was spotted just outside of Barstow at a 24 hr truck stop with Elvis and Bigfoot in a cherry '59 Cadillac convertable pink with fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view mirror

 

By the way it looked like MGR was chowing down on one of those microwave burritos

 

Not sure, but i thought those weren't kosher

[Guest Guest_anonymous]

Those who are disobedient at the time of the Second Coming, look like this.

 

9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

 

9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

 

Th king over the two hundred million called Apollyon is the one in Revelation 6

 

6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

fourvetta,

 

You STILL haven't answered the question,

 

How the white steeds be the saints when the saints ride UPON the white steeds?

[Prophet 0]

I had heard he (MGR) was spotted just outside of Barstow at a 24 hr truck stop with Elvis and Bigfoot in a cherry '59 Cadillac convertable pink with fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view mirror

 

By the way it looked like MGR was chowing down on one of those microwave burritos

 

Not sure but i thought those weren't kosher

Now...Now you guys your getting well past the joking stage and into down right lying.

 

Prov 12:22....

Lying lips are abomination to the LORD:

 

Lets clean up the act a little.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Now wait a minute...

 

We are simply stating hearsay, rumor and/or oral traditions that we have decided to embrace and put forth as possible truth

 

That is no different than what forvetta and others of his ilk have done in the molokan community for years upon years

 

Like forvetta, if you asked me a pointed question, like "do you have any proof of the Elvis, MGR and Sasquatch (aka Bigfoot) sightings?"

 

I (like forvetta) would have to respond "the reason why you don't believe is because you don't have enough faith or the "proper revelation" to understand the significance of such a sighting"

 

If you recognize the ludicriosity of my statements and call it false, based upon my inability to provide any sort of proof (aka Scriptural basis), why don't you do the same to those pro-mgr types within the molokan church?

[Prophet 0]

Now wait a minute...

 

We are simply stating hearsay, rumor and/or oral traditions that we have decided to embrace and put forth as possible truth

 

That is no different than what forvetta and others of his ilk have done in the molokan community for years upon years

 

Like forvetta, if you asked me a pointed question, like "do you have any proof of the Elvis, MGR and Sasquatch (aka Bigfoot) sightings?"

 

I (like forvetta) would have to respond "the reason why you don't believe is because you don't have enough faith or the "proper revelation" to understand the significance of such a sighting"

 

If you recognize the ludicriosity of my statements and call it false, based upon my inability to provide any sort of proof (aka Scriptural basis), why don't you do the same to those pro-mgr types within the molokan church?

When a person knowingly makes a false statement, its called a LIE Maksimist or otherwise.

[Guest fourvetta]

I do agree with Prophet.

 

Especially, when concerning discussion about the Second Coming of the Lord.

 

The people during Noah's time laughed at him for one hundred years and perished by their own unbelief.

 

The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorah did the same, they themselves being blind to the coming of the Lord.

 

I gave my point of view on the Second Coming, although I did not go into detail.

 

Now its time for yours.

 

I will start another discussion under "Rapture"

 

The reason being is I know thats what you believe.

 

Let the readers decide between the two sides.

[anonymous 0]

Prophet,

 

Seeking only wished to demonstrate how "far out" and "beyond the pale" mgr's ideas are in "deed," in "action."

 

Sad to say, even this approach of "extremes" hasn't "awakened" fourvetta as we continue to witness him harden his heart and become more entangled in satan's web of deceit.

[steadfast 0]

Prophet; Yes, Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD. Intent (while still not making it right) must also be considered, because some false statements among other things, can be intended to demonstrate. The three statements below were NEVER claimed to be God inspired,

 

Seeking Truth 1; I had heard that he (MGR) was spotted just outside of Barstow at a 24 hr truck stop.

 

Guest; Maxim was spotted working at the Kerman Carwash.

 

Anakainosis; I heard recently Maxim was spotted buying a B.B.Q at a Home Depot in Whittier.

 

These three statements demonstrate a weakness of the flesh as described in the book of Hebrews. Everyone this includes YOU and I have made this kind of statement at one time or another. Does that make us bad people? No! We are all still being made this new creature and are under construction. We won`t be perfected until Christ`s second arrival.

 

Anonymous makes an excellent point. Quote; It seems to me Seeking only wished to demonstrate how "far out" and "beyond the pale" mgr's ideas are in "deed," in "action."

 

Here is an example of what Anonymous is referring to; MGR 3/3/10 Red bk. pg. 194, line 10. " Be sure not to write of this in your letters, We have received a secret letter from you."

 

Prophet, there are people in our churches who want us to believe that God inspired Maxim to make this request for a lie! These people in actuality are implying that God is not perfect and that He contradicts Himself. In doing so they reject the opposing truth of the Bible that was brought by the Holy Spirit. Isn`t that the unforgivable sin?

 

As for that rubbish truck incident with Maxim, I believe this event has a high probability of actually happening and that Mr. Prohoff was deceived by a false spirit! Does God let spirits of a deceased (Maxim was buried) communicate with the living? NO, Isaiah 8.19 and Deut 18.10-12.

 

Deut. 18.10-12 Don`t let your people practice divination or look for omens or use spells or charms, and don`t let them consult the spirits of the dead. The Lord your GOD hates people who do these disgusting things.

 

Isa. 8.19 When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and muter, should not a people inquire of their GOD? Why consult the dead for the living?

 

Steadfast

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Not once has prophet attempted to correct, exhort or rebuke forvetta for his heretical beliefs.

 

However, I now am being held to account for a statement that's being used, not to deceive, but to illustrate the ridiculousness of the pro MGR/anti Christ views held by forvetta and apparently yourself (prophet)

 

As as academic study, let's use a forvetta tactic to respond and see where it goes

 

I'll call it "Rabbit Trail 101"

 

Note: the following statements will be me responding is the character of forvetta except without the usual misspellings -

 

cue dream sequence music in 3....2....(1)

 

Dreamy, huh?

 

I said

I had heard that he (MGR) was spotted just outside of Barstow at a 24 hr truck stop with Elvis and Bigfoot in a cherry '59 Cadillac convertible pink with fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view mirror (snip...)

 

Notice the phrase "I had heard".

 

I never said I saw this event.

 

I had only heard of its occurrence therefore it's not a lie

 

Furthermore, how can you state that with any degree of surety it's a lie?

 

I have it on good authority that it may or may not have occured

 

Yes, but no... But then there a time back many moons ago when I saw (zzzzzzz) and thats how it happened

 

Isn't it obvious

 

If not, it's because you can't understand such high and lofty thoughts and I'm not going to explain it to you

 

But now I'm going to try right to explain it here and begin to tell a story about a man or was it a woman or a horse I met

 

I will then abandon that thought and now I'll continue to defend my original point here

 

You weren't there and I was only passing on what "I heard"

 

You don`t know for sure one way or another

 

[insert usual forvetta religious sounding psycho-babble here]

 

cue return from dream sequence music in 3....2....(1)

 

And we're back

 

Wow! seeking here and I have to tell you that was scary

 

I don't want to do that again

 

Answering like forvetta.

 

Ignoring truth, and playing little games of semantics in an effort to avoid facing the truth and reality

 

Forvetta's bouts of reality mixed with delusion punctuated with an occasional synaptic collapse

 

How can anyone continue to live like that?

 

 

 

You, prophet, believe that MGR is "King of Spirits"

 

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1Jo 4:1 NKJV)

 

I have, and MGR (along with those who adhere to his "doctrine") receive an F

[Prophet 0]

Well, I don't wish to get in a war of words with anyone but let me say this.....

 

What this thread has evolved into is making claims of which none of you believe to be true and yet continue to make them just for a laugh.

 

On the other hand fourvetta and his kind truly believe in what they say, even though most of what they say is contrary to scripture, never the less, they believe it to be true.

 

No matter how you white wash it, a lie is a lie.

 

If we are to move on to perfection lets start with bridling our own tongue.

[Guest Guest_coffee]

Rudometkin clearly states that as a result of their disobedience, these people will be changed from the body of a human into the body of an animal.

 

Much like King Nebuchadnezzar

 

*****

 

4:31 While the word was in the king`s mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.

 

4:32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

 

4:33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles feathers, and his nails like birds` claws.

 

 

fourvetta,

 

Nebuchadnezzar was never changed into the body of an animal. He was human, and he remained human.

 

What you are referring to is the description of Nebuchadnezzar during the time when the Lord took away his sanity, in other words, the actions of a man temporarily insane.

 

Following is written in the remaining part of that Scripture you have quoted, from ***** 4:

 

4:34 - At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and MY SANITY WAS RESTORED. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified Him Who lives forever.

 

4:36 - At the same time that MY SANITY WAS RESTORED, my honor and splendor were returned to me for the glory of my kingdom. My advisors and nobles sought me out, and I was restored to my throne and became even greater than before.

 

 

This is NOT referring to reincarnation, in other words the bodies of human beings changed into the bodies of animals, which is what Rudometkin wrote about in the Spirit and Life book.

 

Regarding your statement:

 

Those who are disobedient at the time of the Second Coming, look like this.

 

9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

 

9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

 

9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

 

9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

 

9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

 

9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

 

9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

 

9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

 

 

fourvetta,

 

In the beginning of that section, in Revelation 9:3, it is written that these "locusts" you referred to are demons, not humans.

 

The descriptions of these "locusts" are NOT those of humans who have been changed into the bodies of other species. This is NOT the same as what Rudometkin wrote about. The Scriptures you refer to are describing "demons".

 

From Revelation 9:

 

9:3 - And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.

 

9:4 - They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

 

9:5 - They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months.

 

 

Regarding your comment:

 

The king over the two hundred million called Apollyon is the one in Revelation 6.

 

6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

 

6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

 

 

fourvetta,

 

The "king" described in Revelation 9:11 is "THE ANGEL OF THE ABYSS". This angel's name in Hebrew is Abaddon. The same name in Greek is Apollyon. This is NOT the "Conqueror" in Revelation 6.

 

The Abyss is the prison and dwelling place for demon spirits that are disobedient to God.

 

The "KING" in Revelation 6:1-2 is the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is also written about in Revelation 19:11-16. He is the Conqueror, Who is called "Faithful and True". His name is the "Word of God". He is "King of Kings and Lord of Lords".

[Prophet 0]

You, prophet, believe that MGR is "King of Spirits"

 

Spreading another lie seeking???

[Prophet 0]

These three statements demonstrate a weakness of the flesh as described in the book of Hebrews. Everyone this includes YOU and I have made this kind of statement at one time or another. Does that make us bad people? No!

Steadfast your wrong, it makes us sinners for saying something that is not true and separates us from God

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Well, I don't wish to get in a war of words with anyone but let me say this.....

 

What this thread has evolved into is making claims of which none of you believe to be true and yet continue to make them just for a laugh.

 

On the other hand fourvetta and his kind truly believe in what they say, even though most of what they say is contrary to scripture, never the less, they believe it to be true. 

 

No matter how you white wash it, a lie is a lie.

 

If we are to move on to perfection lets start with bridling our own tongue.

 

What claim have I made that I don't believe?

 

I'm not in this "for a laugh"

 

I have many pressing obligations and to spend the effort here "for a laugh" doesn't seem to be an effective use of my time

 

I am here to do what is necessary to shed as much light as possible on the abhorrent teachings within the molokan church

 

Many have been engaging pro-mgr/Anti-Christ types on this and other forums for a couple of years now

 

The latest post was to illustrate a point

 

That point is the pro-mgr/Anti-Christ heresies put forth by forvetta and others are so ridiculous they need to be exposed and exposed again until they are gone

 

If that includes mild to moderate derision, then so be it

 

Again this is not a personal battle, but rather a spiritual one

 

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places]." (Eph 6:12 NKJV)

 

Do not think it's a personal problem with forvetta

 

He/she might very well be a nice person but it's the spirit of deception controlling them I have the REAL problem with

 

Again, as stated before, I find it very strange that you (prophet) have

Not once have you attempted to correct, exhort or rebuke forvetta for his heretical beliefs

 

I seem a pattern beginning to emerge that is double standard in nature

 

You stand with bony finger pointing out how I was '"lying" by taking the most ridiculous statement and draw from that I was willfully intending to deceive

 

How can any reasonable thinking individual believe the statement about Elvis, Sasquatch & mgr/Barstow to be intended as truth

 

Yet you have never corrected that error in forvetta or others within these forums

 

I'm going to make the assertion that you like so many others are unwilling to do so for the sake of "church as usual"

 

Trying to hold together a failing church by allowing just about anything to keep members

 

That would include

• False teaching
  
• Improper/abuse use of the gifts of the spirit
  
• Racism veiled in spiritual terms
  
• Laying unnecessary burdens upon the people that have no Biblical basis
  

and so on

 

Every opportunity I have to illuminate the heretical teachings of mgr being parroted by forvetta (or other pro-mgr types) I will do so

 

This in an effort to prevent another generation to be lost to a lie

 

If these posts, including the use of a reference to "the king" (Elvis), cause/provoke someone to think, crack open a Bible it's worth it

 

When they compare what the Bible teaches versus what some within the molokan church teach, you had better be prepared to answer a whole lot of questions

 

To those who question what is going on within the molokan church (especially clark-esque extremists), crack open a Bible and start reading

 

Compare what you read in the Bible to what's going on within the molokan church and begin to ask questions of the "establishment elders"

 

You may not like what you find, but that is where/when change can begin

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Prophet,

 

It seems to me Seeking only wished to demonstrate how "far out" and "beyond the pale" mgr's ideas are in "deed," in "action."

 

Sad to say, even this approach of "extremes" hasn't "awakened" fourvetta as we continue to witness him harden his heart and become more entangled in satan's web of deceit.

Anonymous...

 

I understand what you are saying.

 

Laughing in the face of someone is not the way to soften someones heart.

 

Eph 4:2

Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Good Afternoon:

 

That passage (Ephesians 4) was an exhortation to the Church at Ephesis written to Christians on how to deal with other Christians

 

Is forvetta a Christian?

 

We are called not to judge another person relating to their Salvation, however forvetta has stated many times before that "molokans are not Christians and Christians are of Satan"

 

One can only wonder where forvetta stands

 

We are also called not to stand by as other put forth lies that attempt to place another above Christ

 

"12 "I, wisdom, dwell with prudence, And find out knowledge [and] discretion.

13 The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverse mouth I hate." (Pr 8:12-13 NKJV)

 

Like pharaoh, hardening of ones heart is done by themselves and not causes by others. The only exception is later on in the passage (Exodus 9) when God hardened pharaoh's heart

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"12 "I, wisdom, dwell with prudence, And find out knowledge [and] discretion.

13 The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverse mouth I hate." (Pr 8:12-13 NKJV)

 

Its ironic how this scripture flies back into the face who quoted it.

[Guest fourvetta]

I agree with you. King Nebuchadennzar was insane. By his insanity his hair grew as eagles feathers and his nails were as birds claws.

 

I never did mentioned reincarnation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The demons are sitting upon men as on upon horses. Read the text.

 

9:7 their faces were as the faces of men.

 

9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

 

This verse speaking of the locusts, having breastplates of iron.

 

9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle

 

Notice the ones who sit upon the locusts, having breastplates of fire.

 

9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

 

 

I think Prophet summed it by saying.

 

"No matter how you white wash it, a lie is a lie.

 

If we are to move on to perfection lets start with bridling our own tongue. "

 

9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

 

 

 

The White Horse in Revelations 6 is not the same as the one in chapter 19.

 

 

The four horses of Apocalypse

 

6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

 

He who sat upon the White horse is called, Destruction or Abaddon

 

6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

 

He who sat upon the Red horse is called, War.

 

6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

 

He who sat upon the Black horse is called, Famine.

 

6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 

He who sat upon the Pale horse is called, Death.

 

 

These are the things prepared for those who are disobedient to the Word of God sitting upon the White Horse, called the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

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You, prophet, believe that MGR is "King of Spirits"

 

Spreading another lie seeking???

Seeing as you have never corrected forvetta in any of these discussions, and seem to at best fence sit, it appeared you were in agreement with his views

 

Am I mistaken?

 

If so, I'll pose the same questions to you that I did to forvetta

 

 

1) Who is Jesus? Is He a man or God in physical form?

2) How do you, forvetta (prophet) get to Heaven? By being molokan or by accepting the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross?

3) Can your non molokan neighbor get to Heaven? If so, how?

 

Is Maxcim subject to Christ?

Is Maxcim equal to Christ?

 

And for you I'll add a couple more questions

 

Does the Spirit and Life Book have any place with the molokan church?

Can a non-molokan, such as a black, hispanic, armenian or asian attend your church and become a member?

 

Thanks

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Steadfast your wrong, it makes us sinners for saying something that is not true and separates us from God

 

You might want to crack open a Bible and read these passages for yourself

 

"38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,

39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Ro 8:38-39 NKJV)

 

"8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Eph 2:8-9 NKJV)

 

According to the Bible, I, nor or anyone else cannot lose their Salvation because of a word spoken or statement made

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Prophet,

 

Seeking only wished to demonstrate how "far out" and "beyond the pale" mgr's ideas are in "deed," in "action."     

 

Sad to say, even this approach of "extremes" hasn't "awakened" fourvetta as we continue to witness him harden his heart and become more entangled in satan's web of deceit.

Anonymous...

 

I understand what you are saying.

 

Laughing in the face of someone is not the way to soften someones heart.

 

Eph 4:2

Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.

Prophet,

 

Thank you for the "reminder." It was well received and appreciated.

 

Patience is indeed a fruit of THE SPIRIT (Galatians 5:22), THE SAME SPIRIT WHO rested upon JESUS, WHO became "short" with UNbelievers and/or those who were "slow" to believe in HIM and comprehend HIS WORDS.

 

With regard to your statement, "Laughing in someone's face is not the way to soften someone's heart," intent and motive MUST be taken into consideration.

 

Consider, as an example, THE LORD GOD "laughing" from where HE sits in the Heavens, and "scoffing" at HIS creatures who are against HIM (Psalm 2:4).

 

Again, it seems to me that this was Seeking's point in his "outlandish-in-the-extreme" approach in demonstrating the "absurdity," the "foolishness" of mgr's anti-SCRIPTURAL ideas, which approach (one of many) obviously had no effect on fourvetta, who continues to "disobey" and "rebel" against THE LORD GOD by denying, ignoring, and suppressing GOD'S TRUTH even when HE and HIS WORD(S) have PROVEN mgr to be a FALSE Christ, FALSE prophet, FALSE teacher, and his memoirs to be FALSE doctrine, time and again.

 

Unfortunately, a consequence one suffers for choosing to become a "conduit" for mgr's or any person's absurd, foolish anti-SCRIPTURAL ideas, is "laughter" at, AND witness of the "tragedy" of the "absurdity," the "foolishness" of such ideas by those in whom THE TRUTH dwells.

 

This is the quintessential "comic tragedy," and the reason CHRISTians on this forum and everywhere continue to communicate, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, using various venues, including prayer, to and for those like fourvetta and his brethren who STILL have a problem "getting it."

 

This is also WHY it is crucial one "begins, remains, and ends" in GOD'S WORD, THE HOLY SCRIPTURES WHOSE AUTHOR WAS, IS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE ONLY GOD, to the "exclusion" of bogus or purported "scripture," e.g., the s&l, and "gods, messiahs/christs, holy spirits," e.g., mgr, and the many others.

[coffee 0]

Steadfast made the statement:

 

Rudometkin clearly states that as a result of their disobedience, these people will be changed from the body of a human into the body of an animal.

 

fourvetta, in response, makes this statement:

 

Much like King Nebuchadnezzar

 

(fourvetta`s implication in his response is that because Nebuchadnezzar was disobedient, Nebuchadnezzar`s body was changed from the body of a human into the body of an animal)

 

fourvetta is defending his heretic hero by saying that what Rudometkin wrote about reincarnation, about people being changed from the body of humans into bodies of animals, is "Biblical".

 

It is then pointed out that:

 

Nebuchadnezzar was never changed into the body of an animal. He was human, and he remained human.

 

What you (fourvetta) are referring to is the description of Nebuchadnezzar during the time when the Lord took away his sanity, in other words, the actions and appearance of a man temporarily insane.

 

This is NOT referring to reincarnation, in other words the bodies of human beings changed into the bodies of animals, which is what Rudometkin wrote about in the Spirit and Life book.

 

fourvetta then responds with:

 

I never did mentioned reincarnation.

 

But your heretic hero does, which is the point that Steadfast made.

 

Rudometkin writes about reincarnation, and states that because of the disobedience of certain people, these individuals will be changed from the bodies of humans into bodies of animals, literally. What is written in the Bible about when King Nebuchadnezzar was insane, is a description of what the man looked like, and acted like, during the time of his insanity.

 

Because King Nebuchadnezzar did not get a haircut or groom himself during this period of time, his hair was described in appearance as that of bird feathers, apparently sticking out all over the place. Because he did not clip his fingernails during this time, his fingernails were described in appearance as that of bird claws.

 

Rudometkin did not write that the hair and fingernails of certain people, because of their disobedience, will take on the appearance of the feathers and claws of certain bird species. Rudometkin wrote that their actual physical BODIES will be CHANGED from humans into animals, which is reincarnation.

[coffee 0]

From fourvetta:

 

The White Horse in Revelations 6 is not the same as the one in chapter 19.

 

The four horses of Apocalypse

 

6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

 

He who sat upon the White horse is called, Destruction or Abaddon

 

Many Bible scholars believe that the four horsemen represent what are referred to as "calamities", which characterize an indefinite period of time anticipated prior to the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. However, there is nothing written in Scripture that gives the name of "Destruction" or "Abaddon" to the rider of the white horse. This is pure guesswork, based on certain conclusions which can be disputed due to existing uncertainties in the Biblical text.

 

It is written that the rider on the white horse is given a "crown" and that He goes out "conquering" and "to conquer". The rider on the white horse is NOT described as someone who goes out to "destroy", or to cause "destruction". His achievement is that of "conquest".

 

Therefore, your assumption that the name of the rider is "Destruction", is not consistent with what is written in this Scripture. Also, "Abaddon" is an "angel", specifically the "angel of the abyss" that is written about in Revelation 9:11. Neither the rider on the white horse nor any of the other three "riders" mentioned in Revelation 6 are described as "angels". This is more guesswork on your part.

 

Even among leading scholars, there are disagreements with regard to the identity of the rider on the white horse in Revelation 6:2, and I do not pretend to entertain the idea that I could possibly be in the same category as those whose very livelihood involves the detailed study of the Bible.

 

The Scripture mentioned is not specific with respect to the "name" of the rider on the white horse. Although this description "MIGHT NOT BE" a reference to the Lord Jesus Christ, since there is only ONE ultimate "conqueror" referred to in the Bible, Who conquered sin, death and Satan, Who is described as riding on a white horse, Who has been given a crown, indeed many crowns, Who leads His armies as He wages war, Who conquers and rules the nations, I lean toward a conclusion that the "conqueror" riding on the white horse in Revelation 6:2 is the same "conqueror" Who rides the white horse in Revelation 19:11-16, Who is the Lord Jesus Christ.

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