New Revelations

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We must be careful of the deviant teachings that are out there today. So often, when a new teaching comes along, we will get excited: a new revelation!

 

I hope this won't disappoint you, but there aren't any new revelations. Everything you need to know about God is already written in His Book. As it has been said, if it's true, it isn't new. And if it's new, it isn't true.

 

So don't go looking for new revelations. Spend your time instead in learning God's Word, and He will bring fresh understanding of it.

 

 

This is evidence of one who has not been born again of the water and of the Spirit. Of one who has not entered into the kingdom of God.

 

Of one who does not have the knowledge of the Good news of the Gospel of Christ's second coming.

 

The Apostle Paul did not receive the message of the Gospel being taught by any man.

 

He tells us in Galations 1;

 

11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel.

12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

Further on in the chapter he says that he did not consult with anyone. Not even the Apostles.

 

Apostle Paul himself taught;

 

When you come together, everyone must have a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the edification of the church.

 

Paul goes on in another place that the speaking of tongues is the revealing of revelations without interpretation.

 

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

 

The Gospel is only made known by the Holy Spirit. Paul says;

 

2 Surely you have heard about the administration of God's grace that was given to me for you,

3 that is, the mystery has been made known to me by revelation, as I have already written to you briefly.

4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,

5 which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God's holy apostles and prophets.

 

The Gospel was not made known to the scribes and the Pharisee. Nor to those who are learned in the scriptures.

 

Paul again says;

 

6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,

8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written: “ Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man, The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit.

 

Christ said;

 

For whosoever has revelation, to him shall be given more, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not revelation, from him shall be taken away even that he has. FV version 2009 copyright

 

The Lord Himself said;

 

I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

 

Again, Christ says;

 

1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.

2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit (revelations) He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

 

6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

 

Revelations 10 tells us that there are revelations to come.

 

4 Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

 

7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mysteries of God would be revealed, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

 

 

To say there are no more revelations, is to say that God is no more.

 

 

 

 

 

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We must be careful of the deviant teachings that are out there today. So often, when a new teaching comes along, we will get excited: a new revelation!

 

I hope this won't disappoint you, but there aren't any new revelations. Everything you need to know about God is already written in His Book. As it has been said, if it's true, it isn't new. And if it's new, it isn't true.

 

So don't go looking for new revelations. Spend your time instead in learning God's Word, and He will bring fresh understanding of it.

 

 

This is evidence of one who has not been born again of the water and of the Spirit. Of one who has not entered into the kingdom of God.

 

Of one who does not have the knowledge of the Good news of the Gospel of Christ's second coming.

 

The Apostle Paul did not receive the message of the Gospel being taught by any man.

 

He tells us in Galations 1;

 

11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel.

12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

Further on in the chapter he says that he did not consult with anyone. Not even the Apostles.

 

Apostle Paul himself taught;

 

When you come together, everyone must have a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the edification of the church.

 

Paul goes on in another place that the speaking of tongues is the revealing of revelations without interpretation.

 

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

 

The Gospel is only made known by the Holy Spirit. Paul says;

 

2 Surely you have heard about the administration of God's grace that was given to me for you,

3 that is, the mystery has been made known to me by revelation, as I have already written to you briefly.

4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,

5 which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God's holy apostles and prophets.

 

The Gospel was not made known to the scribes and the Pharisee. Nor to those who are learned in the scriptures.

 

Paul again says;

 

6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,

8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written: “ Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man, The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit.

 

Christ said;

 

For whosoever has revelation, to him shall be given more, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not revelation, from him shall be taken away even that he has. FV version 2009 copyright

 

The Lord Himself said;

 

I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

 

Again, Christ says;

 

1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.

2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit (revelations) He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

 

6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

 

Revelations 10 tells us that there are revelations to come.

 

4 Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

 

7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mysteries of God would be revealed, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

 

 

To say there are no more revelations, is to say that God is no more.

Pheww! You sure use a lot of scripture, and from a person who says the Book kills.....Fourvetta; Post #14, Commemoration of the Dead thread) The letter and the book [bible] kills, but it is the Spirit that gives life. Christ proved it beyond the shadow of a doubt. So one who lives according to the letter and the book [again referring to the Bible] is still dead.

 

What spirit have you allowed to scramble your thoughts to such an extent?...SF

 

 

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To say there are no more revelations, is to say that God is no more.

2 John 9-11

9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.

10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;

11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

NKJV

 

FV.... Me thinks your bucket has a hole in it!......Matthew 15:13-14 "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch." NKJV

 

 

 

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'fourvetta' date='Jun 13 2009, 09:31 AM' post='24653'

Christ said;

For whosoever has revelation, to him shall be given more, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not revelation, from him shall be taken away even that he has. FV version 2009 copyright

 

Did this little declaration of sainthood on the part of vetta "FV version 2009 copyright" bestowed on him/her self slip by anyone? Is vetta trying to follow in danny-boy's footsteps?

 

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Matthew 15:13-14 "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch." NKJV

 

 

 

30'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

 

 

The Harvest has already come.

 

35 "Do you not say, 'There are yet four months, and then comes the harvest'? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look on the fields, that they are white for harvest.

36 "Already he who reaps is receiving wages and is gathering fruit for life eternal; so that he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together.

37 "For in this case the saying is true, 'One sows and another reaps.'

38 "I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored and you have entered into their labor."

 

In another place, Christ said;

 

26 And Jesus said, "The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed on the ground.

27 He sleeps and rises night and day, and the seed sprouts and grows; he knows not how.

28 The earth produces by itself, first the blade, then the ear, then the full grain in the ear.

29 But when the grain is ripe, at once he puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What spirit have you allowed to scramble your thoughts to such an extent?...SF

 

Christ came for the reason to give us the gift of the Holy Spirit. So that we may know the thoughts of God which are freely given.

 

Apostle Paul says;

 

10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.

11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,

13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

 

 

 

Also King David says;

 

17 How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God! How great is the sum of them!

18 If I should count them, they would be more in number than the sand; When I awake, I am still with You.

 

 

 

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'fourvetta' date='Jun 14 2009, 02:02 PM' post='24769'

Christ came for the reason to give us the gift of the Holy Spirit. So that we may know the thoughts of God which are freely given.

 

Ignorance is bliss, is it not? Please remember that vetta speaks a completely foreign language which is made up along the way.

 

John 3: 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. NKJV

 

John 1: 29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! NKJV

 

Romans 5: 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. NKJV

 

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What spirit have you allowed to scramble your thoughts to such an extent?...SF

 

Christ came for the reason to give us the gift of the Holy Spirit. So that we may know the thoughts of God which are freely given.

 

Apostle Paul says;

 

10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.

11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,

13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

 

Also King David says;

 

17 How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God! How great is the sum of them!

18 If I should count them, they would be more in number than the sand; When I awake, I am still with You.

Not all Spirits are from God, they are to be tested with the Scriptures, the Scriptures you say that kill. To reject the Scriptures that were brought by the Holy Spirit is to reject the Holy Spirit itself.

 

Rudometkin….. the Anointed, aka Christos (Greek) aka Messiah aka Christ. Your Rudometkin, the Molokan's exclusive christ, offered you another way to attain salvation, the Molokan community follows along like sheep to their own slaughter…..SF

 

"And God has given us the task of reconciling people to him." (2 Corinthains 5:17-18 NLT)

"So rebuke them as sternly as necessary to make them strong in the faith." (Titus 1:13)

 

 

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Romans 5: 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. NKJV

 

The Baptism of Jesus Christ is of the Holy Spirit and fire. By the sign of the revelations in New Fiery tongues. By which only, we are reconciled to God.

 

Which every member of Zion must have upon himself.

 

14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John,

15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.

16 For He (the Holy Spirit) had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

17 Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

 

 

 

 

 

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'fourvetta' date='Jun 13 2009, 09:31 AM' post='24653'

Christ said;

For whosoever has revelation, to him shall be given more, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not revelation, from him shall be taken away even that he has. FV version 2009 copyright

 

Did this little declaration of sainthood on the part of vetta "FV version 2009 copyright" bestowed on him/her self slip by anyone? Is vetta trying to follow in danny-boy's footsteps?lastinline (& with a watchful eye)

For the Molokan Christs, writing your own Holy Memouirs seems to be the latest thing to do, don't forget we also have a Madera Molokan Minister with His very own Holy Book too. It's on His prestol, but not in print for distribution. How is He going to save anybody if He doesn't get God's "New Pathway to Salvation" through the king of spirits taught?.....According to David Yesseyevich’s, Great White Throne Judgment prophesy, it's already too late for todays Molokan "New Isrealites", (D.Y. says, Judgment WILL BE COMPLETED during the time of his friends and their children.)..... Spirit and Life Book page.154 “Beloved contemporaries! I ask of you, for the sake of the merciful Lord Jesus Christ, consider what I have to say to you, that in your days and in your days of your children the judgment of God upon men will be completed.” –

 

fv disagrees with David Yesseyevich’s writings in his second holy book, because fv believes Rudometkin's Millennium has been underway now for at least 100 years and the great battle of Armegeddon has taken place, we are all now in spirit bodies and their are NO unbelievers roaming the earth.......How is it that babies are still being born, new souls yet to be educated and tested?.......Don't ask the church elders, you will get a "DuhWhat?nic" answer.....SF

 

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We need to first define what is a revelation.

 

I say that God has "shown" Himself in the completeness of the Scriptures.

The attributes, purpose, and motive of God is there for everyone to see, whe can

say that our God is an open book. No doubt.

 

Does God give "new" revelations about who, what, or why He is? No.

Does God give each and everyone the opportunity to for Him to draw us to him? Absolutly

God is gracious enough to give us the application of Him in our lives, which is "new" to us

because we were blind and living in sin.

 

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We need to first define what is a revelation.

 

I say that God has "shown" Himself in the completeness of the Scriptures.

The attributes, purpose, and motive of God is there for everyone to see, whe can

say that our God is an open book. No doubt.

 

Does God give "new" revelations about who, what, or why He is? No.

 

 

As Paul writes in Romans 1, that God's invisible attributes are clearly seen by the things that are made. Even His eternal Godhead. So that man is without excuse.

 

If God is known by the scriptures, then Jesus Christ had no reason to come and save mankind.

 

God is still, "The Unknown God" to the world.

 

John the Baptist said, "No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."

 

The True Son. Not the one that the ecumenical councils invented.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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According to David Yesseyevich’s, Great White Throne Judgment prophesy, it's already too late for todays Molokan "New Isrealites", (D.Y. says, Judgment WILL BE COMPLETED during the time of his friends and their children.)..... Spirit and Life Book page.154 “Beloved contemporaries! I ask of you, for the sake of the merciful Lord Jesus Christ, consider what I have to say to you, that in your days and in your days of your children the judgment of God upon men will be completed.” –

 

 

The Judgments of God are indeed in effect.

 

The filthy get even more filthier and the holy get even more holier.

 

These are the judgments of God.

 

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,

30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

 

 

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As Paul writes in Romans 1, that God's invisible attributes are clearly seen by the things that are made. Even His eternal Godhead. So that man is without excuse.

 

True

 

 

If God is known by the scriptures, then Jesus Christ had no reason to come and save mankind.

 

God is not and can not be "known" by the Scriptures, it is only a shadow. You can only "know" God thru a personal relationship thru Jesus the Christ, by the Spirit of God.

 

 

 

God is still, "The Unknown God" to the world.

 

True

 

 

John the Baptist said, "No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."

 

I know I haven't seen God.

 

 

The True Son. Not the one that the ecumenical councils invented.

 

Another thread is trying to cover this subject, so I won't comment here.

 

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According to David Yesseyevich’s, Great White Throne Judgment prophesy, it's already too late for todays Molokan "New Isrealites", (D.Y. says, Judgment WILL BE COMPLETED during the time of his friends and their children.)..... Spirit and Life Book page.154 “Beloved contemporaries! I ask of you, for the sake of the merciful Lord Jesus Christ, consider what I have to say to you, that in your days and in your days of your children the judgment of God upon men will be completed.” –

 

 

The Judgments of God are indeed in effect.

 

The filthy get even more filthier and the holy get even more holier.

 

These are the judgments of God.

 

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,

30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

The Scriptures you site are out of context and cryptic. Please explain what D.Y. meant by "will be completed" and why this final judgment of man is occurring BEFORE Rudometkin's Millennium there is an issue of chronology that is still outstanding, and why you and all New Israel adherents are not in Oblitan, Rudometkin's "Holy Millennial City" of Nikitino Russia with him like he prophesied. If we were in the Millennium for the last 100 years as Rudometkin prophesied where their are no flesh bodies to burry, then your king of spirits would be visible, will you teach your christ Rudometkin to type so I can get some straight answers to my questions....SF

 

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God is not and can not be "known" by the Scriptures, it is only a shadow. You can only "know" God thru a personal relationship thru Jesus the Christ, by the Spirit of God.

 

 

My case and point.

 

 

God is the Word. The Word of God is not a book or a letter. Before any scriptures were ever printed on paper, the Word of God already was.

 

The scriptures came to be, by revelation of the Holy Spirit, through the prophets of God. The prophets were the fountain of the Word of God.

 

 

 

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'fourvetta' date='Jun 16 2009, 05:04 PM' post='25012'

My case and point.

God is the Word. The Word of God is not a book or a letter. Before any scriptures were ever printed on paper, the Word of God already was.

 

Now poor vetta will be likely need to repent or plead temporary insanity to his slime-bucket friends on the MU or be shown the exit for believing John 1: 1-4 proclamation of Christ's Deity.

 

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'fourvetta' date='Jun 16 2009, 05:04 PM' post='25012'

My case and point.

God is the Word. The Word of God is not a book or a letter. Before any scriptures were ever printed on paper, the Word of God already was.

 

Now poor vetta will be likely need to repent or plead temporary insanity to his slime-bucket friends on the MU or be shown the exit for believing John 1: 1-4 proclamation of Christ's Deity.

 

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The Molokanstva doesn't believe the "WORD" is Jesus the Christ.....They have their own anointed christ, they have an exclusive on their savior Rudometkin..... Some might say, But we don't believe that way, and God will tell them, there is no neutrality in spiritual warfare.

God the Son said,...... If you are not for Me, then you are against Me.

 

Molokanism is not Christianity......SF

 

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God will tell them, there is no neutrality in spiritual warfare.

God the Son said,...... If you are not for Me, then you are against Me.

 

 

I agree.

 

He who does not gather, scatters. He who does not sow, shall not reap.

 

35 Do you not say, 'Four months more and then the harvest'? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest.

36 Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.

37 Thus the saying 'One sows and another reaps' is true.

38 I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor."

 

 

 

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God will tell them, there is no neutrality in spiritual warfare.

God the Son said,...... If you are not for Me, then you are against Me.

 

 

I agree.

 

He who does not gather, scatters. He who does not sow, shall not reap.

 

35 Do you not say, 'Four months more and then the harvest'? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest.

36 Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.

37 Thus the saying 'One sows and another reaps' is true.

38 I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor."

How can you agree, you said the Word kills........Eanie meannie this verse stays and that one goes! You are the only authority in your life, how convenient.....

 

Did God create you to be a Molokan, or to become His Child?...Contextual Scripture only, no cryptic Fourvettanese. Please keep your opinions private.

 

Molokanisn is not Christianity.....SF

 

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How can you agree, you said the Word kills........Eanie meannie this verse stays and that one goes!

 

 

What you consider the Word is the 66 books of the bible and not Jesus Christ Himself manifest as the Word. Which Word is in turn made manifest in man.

 

As is written, "Behold the Tabernacle of God is with men."

 

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SF

 

You are arguing with a fool

 

"Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead." (Romans 1:22 NLT)

 

He either has a mental problem or is so given over to the lies of Satan that the Lord has allowed him to go that way

 

"So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. (Romans 1:24a NLT)

 

You are wasting your time

 

God has shown FV and others like him The Truth

 

"For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts." (Romans 1:19 NLT)

 

Yet, because of their evil ways, they deliberately deny The Truth

 

"Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen." (Romans 1:25 NLT)

 

If FV dies in this willful denial he, as all those who adhere to the writings of mgr and deny Jesus as The Only Way, will spend an eternity in torment

 

Dust off your sandals and move on

 

Dialog with those who are "fair" or "open minded"

 

"And the people of Berea were more open–minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul's message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to check up on Paul and Silas, to see if they were really teaching the truth." (Acts 17:11 NLT)

 

 

 

 

God will tell them, there is no neutrality in spiritual warfare.

God the Son said,...... If you are not for Me, then you are against Me.

 

 

I agree.

 

He who does not gather, scatters. He who does not sow, shall not reap.

 

35 Do you not say, 'Four months more and then the harvest'? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest.

36 Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.

37 Thus the saying 'One sows and another reaps' is true.

38 I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor."

How can you agree, you said the Word kills........Eanie meannie this verse stays and that one goes! You are the only authority in your life, how convenient.....

 

Did God create you to be a Molokan, or to become His Child?...Contextual Scripture only, no cryptic Fourvettanese. Please keep your opinions private.

 

Molokanisn is not Christianity.....SF

 

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If arguing was my only motive, you would be right about me wasting my time...SF

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How can you agree, you said the Word kills........Eanie meannie this verse stays and that one goes!

 

 

What you consider the Word is the 66 books of the bible and not Jesus Christ Himself manifest as the Word. Which Word is in turn made manifest in man.

 

As is written, "Behold the Tabernacle of God is with men."

The 66 books and Jesus Christ are the same Truth. You said. "the Word of God is God" in the Spiritual Marriage Discussion your post #29 ….You also said, " rebellion against the Word of God, is equal to witchcraft. Stubbornness against His Word is equal to Idolatry. To obey His Word is better then sacrifice.", the Necromancy discussion, your post #10...Sounds like you have changed your mind for today's discussion.

 

It sounds like you believed this verse "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.", at the time you wrote those comments, but for today's discussion you choose not to believe it, Eannie Meannie…. …..You deny the 66 books, but you quote selected verses from it as you deem necessary, Eannie Meannie.

 

You said there are two Truths…..Vettanese was spoken here on the Faith Forum, Spiritual Marriages #15,.. "There are two truths. One set to govern those who live in the night and in darkness. And one set to govern those who live in the day and in the light."

 

 

I'VE BEEN ASKED WHY I CHALLENGE VETTANESE POSTS?

Expose them…..."And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them."... Ephesians 5:11 NKJV

Duty of a Believer….."Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." Acts 20:28 NKJV

 

Molokanism is not Christianity, expose them, be bold…..SF

 

 

 

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Fourvetta,

 

What do you consider True Worship?

 

What happens to people, both believers and Non-believers when they die?

 

Do you feel one can still come to the Truth with just the true 66 book Bible?

 

I have nothing what-so-ever to do with the Maxims writings anymore now that I have come to the Truth and will never even touch them again. Can I still be a True Believer just as the others who feel the same way?

 

You said on another post that God is the Word. We all know that Jesus Christ is the Word. Is nit his saying that Jesus is God?

 

Thanks

 

GoodDay

 

How can you agree, you said the Word kills........Eanie meannie this verse stays and that one goes!

 

 

What you consider the Word is the 66 books of the bible and not Jesus Christ Himself manifest as the Word. Which Word is in turn made manifest in man.

 

As is written, "Behold the Tabernacle of God is with men."

 

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Does anyone in the Book of Spirit and Life ever claim to have seen God?

 

 

We need to first define what is a revelation.

 

I say that God has "shown" Himself in the completeness of the Scriptures.

The attributes, purpose, and motive of God is there for everyone to see, whe can

say that our God is an open book. No doubt.

 

Does God give "new" revelations about who, what, or why He is? No.

 

 

As Paul writes in Romans 1, that God's invisible attributes are clearly seen by the things that are made. Even His eternal Godhead. So that man is without excuse.

 

If God is known by the scriptures, then Jesus Christ had no reason to come and save mankind.

 

God is still, "The Unknown God" to the world.

 

John the Baptist said, "No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."

 

The True Son. Not the one that the ecumenical councils invented.

 

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Fourvetta,

 

In your below post you are saything that Jesus is God.

 

You said "God is the Word," then you go one to say that before any scriptures were ever printed on paper the Word of God already was."

 

I agree and it is layed out in the first chapter in the Book of John.

You said God is the Word (True).

You said the Word of God already was (True).

 

All this points to Jesus who was not created and I think you are not realizing that you agree that Jesus is God.

 

GoodDay

 

God is not and can not be "known" by the Scriptures, it is only a shadow. You can only "know" God thru a personal relationship thru Jesus the Christ, by the Spirit of God.

 

 

My case and point.

 

 

God is the Word. The Word of God is not a book or a letter. Before any scriptures were ever printed on paper, the Word of God already was.

 

The scriptures came to be, by revelation of the Holy Spirit, through the prophets of God. The prophets were the fountain of the Word of God.

Edited June 28, 2009 by GoodDay

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Does anyone in the Book of Spirit and Life ever claim to have seen God?

Yes, Rudometkin claimed to have seen God and Rudometkin claimed to witness Jesus' creation…... "Immediately there personally stood before Him a handsome youth of supreme stature, manifestly born and created of Him; by none other than but by GOD His Father. This is why here GOD Himself, first of all, walked up to Him like a real Father to a son, and greeted Him with His image and likeness." page 174 line 8-9. Jesus never taught such a doctrine.

 

And why are Jesus' teachings so important to the Believer? ...Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. John 14:23 NIV…..

 

If Jesus didn't teach it, you don't want it, and there is only one Gospel,….Galatians 1:8-9. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. NKJV

 

 

Molokanism is not Christianity….SF

 

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Thank you for quoting some words straight from the Book of Spirit and Life that people should read for themselves and then pray to understand why they brush off some blatant falseness that is completely in opposition of the True Word of God. If something does not line up 100% with the Word of God, then it is no difference than being 100% off.

 

I do pray people should come to the Truth first and then open up other false writings after, and they won't continue to cause themselves to be held back from what the True God has in store for them.

Many have a fear of reading the Holy Bible and studying it as they know if they are convicted they will have to give up much that they have come to love.

 

No one has to be a scholar to see when something is not of God. Once one becomes a believer and is enlightened with the Holy Spirit, false writings will have a heavy uneasy feeling when read.

 

GoodDay~

 

Does anyone in the Book of Spirit and Life ever claim to have seen God?

Yes, Rudometkin claimed to have seen God and Rudometkin claimed to witness Jesus' creation…... "Immediately there personally stood before Him a handsome youth of supreme stature, manifestly born and created of Him; by none other than but by GOD His Father. This is why here GOD Himself, first of all, walked up to Him like a real Father to a son, and greeted Him with His image and likeness." page 174 line 8-9. Jesus never taught such a doctrine.

 

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…... "Immediately there personally stood before Him a handsome youth of supreme stature.......

 

Handsome, supreme stature?????? I don't think this is a real description of Jesus the Christ. I can't find it in the Holy Scriptures.

 

 

 

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I can't find it in the Holy Scriptures.

During your Bible research, do keep a eye out for these Molokan teachings.

 

Spirit and Life book, red cover by (? Prohoff), page 287, Rudometkin states at the bottom of the page, "Makcim Gavrilovitch upon his birth was caught up unto God, hearing God He was taken up, where he saw the almighty God of gods sitting upon His throne of glory"…...This portion was totally omitted from the 1928 edition, probably an attempt to sanitize it for church consumption!

 

Spirit and Life, current church edition, EGK article 26, page 654 line 2, "Otherwise, demons interfere with the burial of the coffin. Before lowering the coffin into the grave, read; "He that dwelleth in the shelter"- Psalm 91. Then the demons, who approach the descent of the coffin into the grave and overlaying of earth, can not touch it."

 

Molokanism is not Christianity, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.. Ephesians 5:11…..SF

 

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This is from Isaiah 53;

 

1.Who has believed our message

and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?

2. He grew up before him like a tender shoot,

and like a root out of dry ground.

He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,

nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

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I can't find it in the Holy Scriptures.

During your Bible research, do keep a eye out for these Molokan teachings.

 

The Molokan teachings or the New Israel teachings?

 

Spirit and Life book, red cover by (? Prohoff), page 287, Rudometkin states at the bottom of the page, "Makcim Gavrilovitch upon his birth was caught up unto God, hearing God He was taken up, where he saw the almighty God of gods sitting upon His throne of glory"…...This portion was totally omitted from the 1928 edition, probably an attempt to sanitize it for church consumption!

 

I wonder why?

 

Spirit and Life, current church edition, EGK article 26, page 654 line 2, "Otherwise, demons interfere with the burial of the coffin. Before lowering the coffin into the grave, read; "He that dwelleth in the shelter"- Psalm 91. Then the demons, who approach the descent of the coffin into the grave and overlaying of earth, can not touch it."

 

Why would demons want to mess with a corpse? It has no value to them. From what little I know about demology they can only inhabit a body if they are invited, correct me if I am wrong on this.

 

 

 

Molokanism is not Christianity, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.. Ephesians 5:11…..SF

 

Then who is to plant the seed of Truth? I understand that you can't fellowship with the "darkness" because you don't

worship the same God. But don't go to fellowship, go to witness..............people don't know the darkness unless they

are shown the light. Darkness is the absence of Light. Don't give up on a creation of God, because God won't give up on you.

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The Molokan teachings or the New Israel teachings?

Like it or not they are the same. No tricks or surprises here, the church displays for all to see, the beliefs they uphold as being God inspired. If you want to play the pretend game then that's up to you.

 

Molokanism is not Christianity, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.. Ephesians 5:11…..SF

Then who is to plant the seed of Truth? I understand that you can't fellowship with the "darkness" because you don't worship the same God. But don't go to fellowship, go to witness..............people don't know the darkness unless they are shown the light. Darkness is the absence of Light. Don't give up on a creation of God, because God won't give up on you.

"go to witness" Witness by kneeling and praying when they do, admittedly to a god and savior that is different than yours, you break bread with them, sweep their floors, set their tables, nod your head and wink your eye during a critical beseda. Is this how to witness? More pretend game.

 

"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness".. Ephesians 5:11…..In this verse I don't read the terms or conditions that you do…….You are offered freedom and you choose bondage to your religion. Deny yourself and show that your commitment to Jesus complete. Luke 9:23 "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself….... NKJV

 

Molokanism is not Christianity…..SF

 

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There's a difference in the 21st century?

 

If you view molokanism as an opportunity to "witness" then you'll need to be attending a Bible ONLY teaching Church to be equipped for such ministry

 

You cannot be attend a molokan "church" as your primary place of "worship" and expect to be effective over the long term

 

 

 

The Molokan teachings or the New Israel teachings?

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Then who is to plant the seed of Truth? I understand that you can't fellowship with the "darkness" because you don't

worship the same God. But don't go to fellowship, go to witness..............people don't know the darkness unless they

are shown the light. Darkness is the absence of Light. Don't give up on a creation of God, because God won't give up on you.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18

14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?

16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."

17 Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."

18 "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty."

NKJV

 

If you view molokanism as an opportunity to "witness" then you'll need to be attending a Bible ONLY teaching Church to be equipped for such ministry.

"attend a Bible ONLY teaching Church" then go back to a Molokan church and minister (defined as giving your testimony.) It's been tried…..

 

"Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean."

 

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Then who is to plant the seed of Truth? I understand that you can't fellowship with the "darkness" because you don't

worship the same God. But don't go to fellowship, go to witness..............people don't know the darkness unless they

are shown the light. Darkness is the absence of Light. Don't give up on a creation of God, because God won't give up on you.

No one comes to Jesus until he is drawn by the Father. Many of the Christian writers on this forum came to the Lord while they were in the pit of their Molokan church.

 

We would have all been in a dire situation if our coming to the Lord depended solely on the testimony of a few who temporarily left the Molokan church then returned, that person would be considered "otkazni" and would probably be asked to leave the building and most certainly would not be asked to give their testimony (minister). I think by the time the seed planter is brought into service by the Holy Spirit, the conversion process was well underway. Think of yourself as being the glue and not the nail, seed planters certainly are a part of the ongoing inspiration process but not essential in the beginning of a conversion to Christianity. Once your heart felt love for the Lord is strong enough to fully accept Him and deny yourself, NOTHING can ever separate you from His love…..Romans 8:38-39...For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NKJV

 

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This is from Isaiah 53;

 

1.Who has believed our message

and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?

2. He grew up before him like a tender shoot,

and like a root out of dry ground.

He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,

nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

 

 

Stature is the measure of wisdom, not of outward beauty

 

From Luke 2

 

52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

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The 66 books and Jesus Christ are the same Truth.

 

 

If salvation came by the scriptures, then Jesus Christ died in vain.

 

Paul writes;

 

13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

 

 

Christ took away the law of the letter and nailed it to the cross. Defeating the enmity or the ministry of condemnation which has passed away.

 

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation,

15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.

 

In conclusion;

 

4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God.

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,

6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

 

In the new covenant, the Word of God comes only by revelation. In which only comes the forgiveness of all sins.

 

 

 

 

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17 Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."

18 "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty."

 

That's the same verse that the New Israelites use for thier closed door policy...............funny

 

 

 

 

 

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color="#FF0000"]Romans 8:38-39...For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NKJV[/color]

 

AMEN!!

 

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To say there are no more revelations, is to say that God is no more.

 

There are revelations or receiving understanding. If not, how are we to grow in the Spirit?

There are no NEW revelations about God. He is the same from before time to after time.

 

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To say there are no more revelations, is to say that God is no more.

 

There are revelations or receiving understanding. If not, how are we to grow in the Spirit?

There are no NEW revelations about God. He is the same from before time to after time.

 

We all need to realize that vetta's mind is clouded and corrupted by the "new israel" concept and that mgr is the incarnation of christ in his belief system and this is what he means when he states that his messiah has already returned and set up this "new israel" in the structure of the Molokan church through mgr's "new revelations."

 

Examples: On this strand in Post #5 "The Harvest has already come."

 

'fourvetta' date='Jun 14 2009, 09:21 AM' post='24745']

30'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

 

The Harvest has already come.

 

 

'fourvetta' date='Apr 25 2007, 02:16 PM' post='10499']

The wife of Christ has already given birth to the man-child who is to rule all nations with a rod of iron.

 

Here vetta mocks the Christian belief of looking for Christ's return to set up His Kingdom:

 

'fourvetta' date='Jun 10 2009, 02:42 PM' post='24300'

The whole christian world waits for a fairy tale that will never come.

 

Here is a Blessed reminder about Jesus and a warning about doctrines that come from a belief system such as "new israel."

 

Hebrews 13: 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. NKJV

 

lastinline (with an eye on the prize)

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To say there are no more revelations, is to say that God is no more.

Doctrines of Demons…..

 

I will now tell you all that was bestowed upon me to disclose to you about myself and my new spirit....I must blaze a new trail for you to Paradise. Spirit and Life Page 326 Introduction: .…

 

For my newly-wondrous narrative has never been heard anywhere on earth by anyone throughout the ages, which I reveal to you here by a new Spirit for the welfare of your entire soul and body. Spirit and Life Page 494.4

 

Therefore I, Maxim, am now called by His new name: King of Spirits and God of the faithful of all the land, for the new Kingdom of peace with Christ for a thousand years. Spirit and Life pg. 465-7.

 

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself comes with a new name, King of Spirits and God to the faithful. Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord. MGR Book 4 pov. 11: 12-24 Spirit and Life

 

The new name of Jesus Christ is King of Spirits and God to the faithful. (Fourvetta, Who Is Jesus Part II?, Post #5)

 

For I (Maxim, see pg. 497-4, your master sitting in the city of Suzdal.) I am called by this new name in heaven and on earth, today and always. For I am Ulesar, the king of Ures, the new Jewish Messiah. And the Jew and all the tribes of the nations will bow down to me. Spirit and Life page 498.7

 

Maxim says, "I am the Gate of Zion and the entrance to the land of the living." On January 22, 2006 fourvetta

 

“The final martyr, M.G. Rudometkin, as also conqueror of the imperious spirit of darkness, indicated this mystery to be coincidental with the closing of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century.” Spirit and Life Pg.748

 

The King of Spirits is the Gate of Zion which leads to the Door, which in turn leads to the Father...... (Spiritual Marriage Discussion, Post #50)

 

The Second Coming and the New Name of Jesus Christ is the King of Spirits and God to the faithful. (Faith Discussion page 3, What Is A Molokan page 2, Post #51)

 

“So yes. The kingdom of God came to us in the 19th century” On June 11, 2006 Faith Discussion page 4, Word Of God thread, post #3, fourvetta :

 

The Second Coming is Present. You missed the first boat, You will have to wait for the second one. Faith Discussion, Has Christ Already Returned, post #2

 

And You (referring to the Lord Jesus Christ) will place me, Your annointed one, as king for the entire thousand years, in place of You, and in the same way you will also by me reign over all of my people everywhere. Spirit and Life page 544.13

 

Spirit and Life pg. 476.5. For this reason each believer of the spirit of truth must quickly and before all accept him, our Maxim as the King personified.

 

Spirit and Life page, 695 "Oh you brothers and sisters! Please believe that this is the King of Israel, and his name is Maxim Gavrilovitch! For he is the King and leader of Israel.

 

 

 

Molokanism is not Christianity…..SF

 

 

 

 

 

 

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At times, what is obvious takes repeating in order to make it sink in. First, we begin with what Rudometkin wrote in the Spirit and Life book:

 

....Rudometkin claimed to have seen God and Rudometkin claimed to witness Jesus' creation…... "Immediately there personally stood before Him a handsome youth of supreme stature, manifestly born and created of Him; by none other than but by GOD His Father. This is why here GOD Himself, first of all, walked up to Him like a real Father to a son, and greeted Him with His image and likeness." page 174 line 8-9.

 

 

The Russian word that Rudometkin uses to describe Jesus as "a handsome youth" literally means beautiful in physical appearance.

 

Next, we have a quote from the Scriptures which exposes the fact that Rudometkin's claim about the Jesus that is written about in the Spirit and Life book, indeed the very Jesus that the Rudometkinites believe in, the very Jesus that is preached about in today's Jumper "Molokan" churches, is another Jesus, contradicting what is written in the Bible:

 

This is from Isaiah 53;

 

1.Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?

 

2. He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

 

(GoodDay, Post # 32)

 

 

Then, in an effort to do damage control for their goofball of a heretical spiritual leader and religious guru, the Rudometkinites attempt to diffuse the obvious with the following foolish excuse:

 

Stature is the measure of wisdom, not of outward beauty

 

(fourvetta, Post # 38)

 

 

Rudometkin claims in the Spirit and Life book that his Jesus was handsome, beautiful in physical appearance.

 

God, in His written Word that is recorded in the Holy Bible, states that the Jesus of the Scriptures had no beauty in His physical earthly body.

 

Although the name might sound the same, the name of Jesus that is mentioned in today's "Molokan" churches is subject to the interpretation of each individual, based on one's own personal theological understanding of Who their Jesus is.

 

In other words, on any given day or religious occasion, you have a congregation full of "Molokans" who sing the name of Jesus in their worship songs, who even jump "in the spirit" together in unison, while some are singing worship to the Jesus of the Holy Scriptures, to the Jesus Who came down from heaven and became human flesh to personally save mankind from our sins, and others are jumping and singing praises to the Jesus of the Spirit and Life book, to a Jesus that is a created being, to someone who is referred to in the Bible as another Jesus.

 

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2 John 9-11

9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.

10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;

11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

NKJV

 

FV.... Me thinks your bucket has a hole in it!......Matthew 15:13-14 "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch." NKJV

 

I agree. Who does not have the Spirit of God, does not know what He is doing.

 

Christ said;

 

12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.

13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.

 

 

 

6 Then Jesus told this parable: "A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any.

7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, 'For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?'

8" 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it.

9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.' "

 

A fig is a inside out flower which is pollinated by a bee from the inside. The revelation which is given within. As Christ said, "The kingdom of God is within you."

 

If one does not give birth to revelation, he is cast out of Paradise. Because he or she has violated the new commandment of love. Refusing the apple from the tree of life by which he would have received eternal life. Book 10 article 15

 

Denying himself the grace of God by which he was sanctified. It is better that he had never been born. book 8 article 21

 

As Hebrews 6 states;

 

7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God;

8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

 

Because they have not believed the voice of the Son of God.