RedOctober

Why should I? So you can mock some more? C'mon this game of your's is old. Now where's one of your famous commercials...don't dissapoint. : Yes! You should know, you wrote the book on it. I went to barnes and noble, went up one aisle and saw "Twisting and taking out of Context for dummies", authored by you! Well...better things to do today & you can have the final say. Won't be bothering to come back and read your reply.

Are you functionally illiterate Seeking? I said video games, not education. Video games are more important than talking to you. I'm only here because I'm waiting for a long spawn on a particular Mob...and got bored. They really need to change that. Your right, I should not even grace this with a response...and I wont bother further. Serve's me right for letting my boredom get to me. As for self-importance...La la la...actually I think its just fun to mess with you to see what you will come up with next. I'm dissapointed..was expecting another commercial. Oh well. buh-bye JZ. If the lord of the Rings is more important to you than the Lord of the Heaven, then have at it. You may have some knowledge, but certainly no wisdom. Ahh..but if only you were preaching about God! Your not. Hence, no bother.

Are you functionally illiterate Seeking? I said video games, not education. Video games are more important than talking to you. I'm only here because I'm waiting for a long spawn on a particular Mob...and got bored. They really need to change that. Your right, I should not even grace this with a response...and I wont bother further. Serve's me right for letting my boredom get to me. As for self-importance...La la la...actually I think its just fun to mess with you to see what you will come up with next. I'm dissapointed..was expecting another commercial. Oh well. buh-bye JZ.

If that’s red, that’s normal. With all his college courses he brags about, you would think he would be able to spell properly. :blink: Ahhhh...its nice to know there is still love here...or more properly, the lack of it. Appears I made an impression...and I like it..I guess that makes me prideful, eh Lig? Oh and what does your and seekings opinion mean to me? Hmmm...let me compute that..oh thats right, a big fat 0 BTW, I never claimed to be an expert speller, spell check has always been my friend...when I use it. sew eill keap mespelleng werds hear becaze i kan. Anyway...don't let me stop you from your typical gripe fest and mud slinging. Soon as your done chowing down on that burrito JZ and are back from Barstow, go ahead que with your commercials. Back to my video games.

Thats it? Its one thing if you mis-quote and the verse miquoted has no revelence to the discussion. Its another thing if you misquote and the misquote testifies agianst you. You deny and condemn Molokans. You essentially call any miracles that were done in the Name of the Lord Jesus the Christ by Molokans a fallacy and lo and behold, there is Chirst words critisizing you! Yep. Lets quote the whole thing: 11:14 Now he was casting out a demon that was mute.When the demon had gone out, the man who had been mute began to speak, and the crowds were amazed. 11:15 But some of them said, “By the power of Beelzebul, the ruler of demons, he casts out demons.” 11:16 Others, to test him, began asking for a sign from heaven. 11:17 But Jesus, realizing their thoughts, said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is destroyed, and a divided household falls. 11:18 So if Satan too is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? I ask you this because you claim that I cast out demons by Beelzebul. 11:19 Now if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 11:20 But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you. 11:21 When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his possessions are safe. 11:22 But when a stronger man attacks and conquers him, he takes away the first man’s armor on which the man relied and divides up his plunder. 11:23 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters Interesting.... Nope. Actually, the mis-quote seems to tie in when the whole text is quoted. And it still testifies against you. Not your day. I hope everyone looks up what you quote. You almost always toss out single verses, but when the whole text is included. It doesnt' mesh up with what you say. ppffffftt....Please don't flatter yourself. I shouldn't laugh so much at work. You most certainly don't cause me to read the Bible. I agree, its a witness against you. Don't choke on your bacon. I'm done for the day. Need to study for a CPCU exam tommorow and you're not worth the time. I can learn more by praying then opening the Bible and reading. But I will leave these words for you. Seek Christ, not doctrine.

Seeking as usual, your in error. Matthew 11:23? As you stated is New English Translation: 11:23 And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? No, you will be thrown down to Hades! For if the miracles done among you had been done in Sodom, it would have continued to this day. Just in case you dont like this Bible...I'll use the one you quoted out of. NKJV: And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. My goodness...you must be embarassed. Not only did you quote wrong...but Matthew 11:23 testifies against you. Lets read further shall we... 11:24 But I tell you, it will be more bearable for the region of Sodom on the day of judgment than for you!” Well, The Lord indeed works in mysterious ways. Whats so difficult to understand your three group cubby hole is wrong and persecutive. I don't fit, nor do most fit into any of your three buckets. I'll type this out real slow so you understand...Molokans can't be placed into only three groups. By the way...I'm not a "Modern-day Christian". I'm a Believer and Follower of Jesus the Christ the Son of God. I don't see that in your three cubby holes. Whats next, Ephesians 2:8. I dont like quoting single verses. Lets look at the whole context instead of your eanie meanie miny moe this verse stays that one goes approach. 2:1 And although you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2:2 in which you formerly lived according to this world’s present path, according to the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the ruler of the spirit that is now energizing the sons of disobedience, 2:3 among whom all of us also formerly lived out our lives in the cravings of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath even as the rest… 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 2:5 even though we were dead in transgressions, made us alive together with Christ – by grace you are saved! – 2:6 and he raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 2:7 to demonstrate in the coming ages the surpassing wealth of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; 2:9 it is not from works, so that no one can boast. 2:10 For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them. Great words, but still no mention of your three cubby holes. I never stated anything about droping "Books", those are your words your putting into my mouth, for shame. I said garbage and by that I mean the man-made doctrine and "traditions of men". Well, sounds like you don't want me around, I wonder why. Now I'm tempted to stay. Embarrased? Nope. But you should be, contradicting yourself and mis-quoting and having the verse you mis-quoted testify against you...well...what can I say. Oh and yes its persecution. Why? This site is Molokan.net, hence it implies its for Molokans. Your not a Molokan. Two, you attack and critisize Molokans. Three, you don't come up with solutions other than your white-washed "Teach about the Lord Jesus Christ". Four, you often make off color comments with the intention to offend. Yep, your verbally persecuting. Your no Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, etc. and you sure don't behave or act like one.

whoops...had one final thought and I think I should post it. Your right seeking, its not bashing. And I apologize for stating its bashing. Lets call it for what it really is... PERSECUTION

One more post before dinner then I'm done. Contradiction. First you say your not painting Molokans as one way or another....then in the next sentence thats exactly what you do when you classify them into three groups. Molokans cannot be classified into three groups. If you do, then your very naieve and ignorant of Molokans. Given your past posts, it's fair to say that holds true with you. I didn't accuse you of bashing in this thread....but you have indeed bashed before in another thread. You start bashing, then your a basher...comes with the territory. I agree there. Teach the word in its entirety minus the doctrines of man. Yes, that means no Ecumenical Council and Pope Constatine garbage. Here's a novel idea, have the Holy Spirit guide you through the reading and not some Bible thumper. 'nuff for now, no more diversion.

I stand corrected. You are 15 or a younger boy.

For someone whose supposedly older, you sure act like your 15.

Once again, you completely ignore the reasons stated thereof, typical you after all these years. Just ignore the previous responses and go back to your pardigm. FYI, Phillip Michaelvich ***************** and a few others did teach others besides Molokans, which had unfortunate results. And still the Definition does not line up with your statement. Basicaly, you just want it your way and the Molokans to be just like your church around the corner. Sorry, not going to happen. And your interpretation would also be opinion or as typical you, spout out a few verses and not look at the whole. As for stating...I'm not going to type it all out again nor re-type someone else's post. Nor will I cut in paste, right now, your just a little diversion for me to take a break from studying a test. No I wasn't. Yet another "Implanted" off-color statement from you that serves no purpose. And thats your opinion. Its not regularly used, unless you hung around and were a racist yourself. And that stops racism how? Its not working in your Protestant church's. And as I stated, the S&L has nothing to do with it...and nor is it contrary to scripture. Some traditions may indeed have contributed to the problem. How about adjusting them to where they respect others, but still uphold marrying within....wait, thats right, you still call that racism. Funny, I gave speech once in college once discussing how we don't marry outside our religion. A female african-american was the first to complement me and stated if more adhered to there own culture, everyone would have less problems. Wierd how that works. Molokans are essentialy Borchst blood wise, we don't marry within for the purposes of "racial purity". Once again showing just how out of tune you are and how much of it you got wrong. From the looks of things....you got a lot of things wrong. Not to mention, your also incorrect on Arianism. And your resoundingly prove my point about you only believing in what fits in your cubby holes. It also proves you are prejudicial towards Molokans. I find it interesting you call Molokans racist but in doing so have become one. Everything has to be A, B, C the rest of the alphabet is mis-classified in your view. Oh well, your not my worry.

In Response: But you very much implied it. Def. Racism from MSN Encarta Dictionary 1. animosity toward other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races 2. belief in racial superiority: the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior The Definition does not mesh up with your statement. Not sure what you mean by "nash". But, if your saying they can't be Molokan, you are incorrect as usual. They can easily adapt our style of worship and become Molokans, just as "Armenian Molokans". I see no reason why thier cant be an "American Molokan" church or "African-American Molokan" church. "Hispanic Molokan" Church. However inter-marriage won't be accepted (with the rarest of cases) and reasons why we're already stated of which you wont recognize as usual. Its apparent you really are ignorant of what it is to be a Molokan. Statements above say everything. Sounds like you were a racist once before. Won't deny that there are those that do, likewise, I've met people in other Religions who also do likewise. Your fingering Molokans as if they are the only ones who have these issues to deal with. Earth to Seeking, Molokans are not the only ones who have this issue. The Bible you may be thumping with your buddies on Sunday may very well be Racists and use the Bible to back up thier view. Every person that dress's in White Sheets is using a Bible for thier "beliefs". And your solution to the problem is what? Remove them? Kick them out of the church? Remove a book they themselves probaly haven't read? What good will that do. They'll just form thier own church's and still be racist. Add to that, you make martyrs out of them. Better to educate them where they can be reached than take action and harden thier position. Plus, in my view, its just a loud minority. Until you go out there and take a scientific statistical poll, the exact extent of the problem will not be known. Or perhaps, you yourself are prejudicial towards Molokans. Taking anything they state as Racism. Sort of like Black Racist groups who say they need to take out the White Racist. Seems you may be prejudicial against Molokans. I'm not shoveling anything. But if you smell anything, then maybe you ought to lay off those burrito's your munching down in Barstow. I find it interesting when you get a response that doesn't fit your stereotypical paradigm of Molokans, you go in a hissy fit and shoot off an off-color statement. Nothing Molokans say or do will every satisfy you. You have a set viewpoint that Molokans are A, B & C. When its X, Y & Z, then its not true, out of context, etc. because it doesnt fit you paradigm. Thats too bad.

Somebody, You're not doing to good here. You have, in my opinion, turned more people off to MGR and the S&L than brought people to it. I have to agree. I'm now not sure if you really do accept MGR. I've seen people who talked as you do, they now talk like Anak and Stead. By the way....not sure who you are, but it appears you are violating M.U. Copyrights. And most certainly out of context.

Broadway, you are fairly close to the account. The ultimate irony here is, a non-Molokan told us not to marry non-Molokans. This is definately a unique phenomenon here in the U.S. as in Russia, converts are accepted. Something of interest, if MGR were born today to an American family....what would be the case? Something extremist don't like to bring up. But the wisdom of the woman was most definately prevelant. If we converted Americans and brought them in, we would most certainly woulnd't be talking here on the net today as Molokans would have been assimilated in the Melting Pot. The ideology behind immigrants here in the US is to have them assimilate in culture, language and blood. That way no group can be considered "Itallian", "German", etc. Allowing immigrants to keep thier own unique identity led to problems for the U.S. (see your history book). Note: Origon of Melting Pot: Henry Ford held pageants in which workers would don there native clothing and sing in thier native toungue....all at once the result was no uniformity and undeciperable jibberish. The next act would feature the same workers now in Ford Uniforms and all singing in American English in unison in what he called the Melting Pot. A stark contrast from conformity to uniqueness.

Briefly to Russianqt03 and TK1. There's Dz Daniels interpertation of which I also share and a couple of other viewpoints. See Klutch's Pre-destination thread on the M.U. to get another viewpoint on "Chosen". The context of "chosen" is often mis-understood and/or twisted in its meaning by both radicals and some ex-Molokans. Seeking (JZ), Anak and Stead's view can be summurized as "All Molokans who accept the S&L are Racists, Supremacist, etc." which is old and a rather tiring argument. Sort of along the lines of "Republicans are racist". Simply isn't true. Every group, denomination, ethnicity has those who are radical and are typically "loud" in thier view...but are a minority. See the Racist thread on the M.U. for more.