A Desperate Ploy

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Considering the source and the Venue.

 

lastinline (not too worry)

[seeking_truth_1 0]

For the Christian, this should be a deal breaker and fantastic reason to leave, never to call that "church" again

 

 

 

Considering the source and the Venue.

 

lastinline (not too worry)

[Guest Guest]

"He then returned the book (S&L) to it's place on the table and stated that this book (S&L) a blessing from God and that the other books (Bible and New Testament) are our foundation." Jack Volkoff

 

Jack Volkoff why does your blessing conflict with your foundation? There is only one Lord, one Faith and one Baptism that comes in one book (singular) not books (plural).

 

Ephesians 4:4-6

4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;

5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

NKJV

 

Hebrews 10:7

7 Then I said, 'Behold, I have come — In the volume of the book it is written of Me — To do Your will, O God.'"

NKJV

 

Jack Volkoff, You lead your congregation into deep water for self destruction, similar to how some swine were destroyed in the Bible story.

 

Jack Volkoff, is that your signature on both letters?

[Guest Guest]

Is this the same Tim Berekoff that, at the romanoffsky "open house ceremony" told the elders that our "predkey" were "waiting outside" and are asking permission to come in?

[Guest guest]

Is this the same Tim Berekoff that, at the romanoffsky "open house ceremony" told the elders that our "predkey" were "waiting outside" and are asking permission to come in?

This is the Novi Roman Volkoff minister that relayed to the entire church a message from a dead Mohoff Dedda to his grandaughter by way of a prorok at a Nazaroff church pomnenki. The prorok not only heard, but also saw, the dead man. That was the LAST pomnenki I ever went to.

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For the Christian, this should be a deal breaker and fantastic reason to leave, never to call that "church" again

They are in your neighborhood, go and tell them in your power of the Holy Spirit. For you to not do exactly that would seem to be hypocritical or at the very least a derelictionon of duty.

 

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[Guest guest]

For the Christian, this should be a deal breaker and fantastic reason to leave, never to call that "church" again

They are in your neighborhood, go and tell them in your power of the Holy Spirit. For you to not do exactly that would seem to be hypocritical or at the very least a derelictionon of duty.

 

lastinline

They may be in his neighborhood but they are not in his church, you sit in a church with a table full of blasphemies and people that repent for and communicate with their dead. Are your church dues paid up?

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I thought that was YOUR mission field YOU were "lead" to be silent in?

 

My part is to work with other areas of ministry and to address the issues of the cult here online

 

You are the one who appears to be in a state of spiritual unrest and understandably so

 

You can't attend a cult where demons are conjured and walk away unscathed

 

For the Christian, this should be a deal breaker and fantastic reason to leave, never to call that "church" again

They are in your neighborhood, go and tell them in your power of the Holy Spirit. For you to not do exactly that would seem to be hypocritical or at the very least a derelictionon of duty.

 

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[seeking_truth_1 0]

For the Christian, necromacy (even once) IS A DEALBREAKER

 

9 ¶ When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. (Deuteronomy 18:9-12 KJV)

 

⁹ “When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, be very careful not to imitate the detestable customs of the nations living there.

10 For example, never sacrifice your son or daughter as a burnt offering.

And do not let your people practice fortune-telling, or use sorcery, or interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft,

¹¹ or cast spells, or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead.

¹² Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD. It is because the other nations have done these detestable things that the LORD your God will drive them out ahead of you.

 

 

Is this the same Tim Berekoff that, at the romanoffsky "open house ceremony" told the elders that our "predkey" were "waiting outside" and are asking permission to come in?

This is the Novi Roman Volkoff minister that relayed to the entire church a message from a dead Mohoff Dedda to his grandaughter by way of a prorok at a Nazaroff church pomnenki. The prorok not only heard, but also saw, the dead man. That was the LAST pomnenki I ever went to.

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For the Christian, this should be a deal breaker and fantastic reason to leave, never to call that "church" again

They are in your neighborhood, go and tell them in your power of the Holy Spirit. For you to not do exactly that would seem to be hypocritical or at the very least a derelictionon of duty.

 

lastinline

They may be in his neighborhood but they are not in his church, you sit in a church with a table full of blasphemies and people that repent for and communicate with their dead. Are your church dues paid up?

 

Divorce, Divorce! What about that? Are your dues paid up yet, on that issue. You know the prescription, USE IT! Enough already, and again I say, Please!

 

lastinline (& with dues paid up by The Blood of The Precious Lamb of God)

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I thought that was YOUR mission field YOU were "lead" to be silent in?

Not in that one, I have my own. You are the one that demands compliance on ALL ISSUES OF FAITH from everyone. So get over there, post hast! Call me, my offer still stands and I will first scold you a bit and then school you on Molokan issues you are obviously not aware.

 

lastinline (where my Christian Molokan mission field continues, 4 a reason & 4 a season, led by HIM & HIM alone)

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Aaah...

 

Does "yours" have the s&l, practice racism, not regularly teach the Bible and have "new Israel" leaders who deny Jesus?

 

I can see how "different" that is

 

I thought that was YOUR mission field YOU were "lead" to be silent in?

Not in that one, I have my own. You are the one that demands compliance on ALL ISSUES OF FAITH from everyone. So get over there, post hast! Call me, my offer still stands and I will first scold you a bit and then school you on Molokan issues you are obviously not aware.

 

lastinline (where my Christian Molokan mission field continues, 4 a reason & 4 a season, led by HIM & HIM alone)

 

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Aaah...

 

Does "yours" have the s&l, practice racism, not regularly teach the Bible and have "new Israel" leaders who deny Jesus?

 

I can see how "different" that is

Enough already, make the call and be ready to listen and after a mild scolding from this wise apple, I'll school you on issues of Molokanism and Christian Molokanism. Stop monopolizing my precious time, just call.

 

lastinline (& busy, busy, busy)

[Guest guest]

I'll school you on issues of Molokanism and Christian Molokanism.

Teacher, using contextual Scripture tell us what a Molokan is?

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Why not here publicly?

 

Seems like the perfect time and place

 

Already started a thread for you

 

Aaah...

 

Does "yours" have the s&l, practice racism, not regularly teach the Bible and have "new Israel" leaders who deny Jesus?

 

I can see how "different" that is

Enough already, make the call and be ready to listen and after a mild scolding from this wise apple, I'll school you on issues of Molokanism and Christian Molokanism. Stop monopolizing my precious time, just call.

 

lastinline (& busy, busy, busy)

 

[lastinline 0]

I'll school you on issues of Molokanism and Christian Molokanism.

Teacher, using contextual Scripture tell us what a Molokan is?

First the DIVORCE issue, in as you said "using contextual Scripture." Even though I need to rest up since I'll be attending a banquet for a wonderful Christian Outreach, called "Turning Point" that work on preventing abortions. It was started and is still headed by a wonderful former Molokan, who still has the wonderful heart of a Christian Molokan, even though former. Its OK to call, so do it, already. I might sound tired although presently my wife is on the phone with a call from Russia, so if busy, call back.

 

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Why not here publicly?

Wow, I know for sure you can afford a phone call, even a very long one and little old me, won't be able to actually beat you up on the phone. Is that what your worrying about a whooping? Oh, come on I'm a teddy bear! Ask, almost, anybody!

 

lastinline (& a cuddly teddy bear, just ask my wife if she answers the phone)

[Guest Guest]

Divorce, Divorce! What about that? Are your dues paid up yet, on that issue. You know the prescription, USE IT! Enough already, and again I say, Please!

 

lastinline (& with dues paid up by The Blood of The Precious Lamb of God)

Jeremiah 3:8

8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.

NKJV

 

Like above, you're caught in adultery with another Messiah, the New Jewish Messiah of the Spirit and Life book to be exact, then living out your life in self righteousness and hypocrisy, all the while calling Jesus Lord Lord, are you sure you're not a besednic?

 

"we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."

(2 Thessalonians 3:6)

 

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I don't understand...

Why not define your version of this publically?

 

What's the big deal?

 

 

 

Why not here publicly?

Wow, I know for sure you can afford a phone call, even a very long one and little old me, won't be able to actually beat you up on the phone. Is that what your worrying about a whooping? Oh, come on I'm a teddy bear! Ask, almost, anybody!

 

lastinline (& a cuddly teddy bear, just ask my wife if she answers the phone)

[lastinline 0]

I don't understand...

Why not define your version of this publically? What's the big deal?

Your closed ears and closed eyes syndrome and your inability to take your medicine, from someone who is well qualified to stand up to your bullying.

 

lastinline (& up from a very short nap)

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Bullying?

It's too bad you perceive it as such and want to make this personal as opposed to contrasting your actions against Scripture

 

You cannot explain what a "christian molokan" is yet Scripture tells the Christian to be able to give an account of their faith

You consider a cult your primary Church when the Bible tells the Christian NOT TO do such

 

Not sure what else to do here but if you cannot or will not see your situation for what it is, I've done all I can

 

By the way you not only mishandled the Romans passage you cited but also the Proverbs passages

 

 

Your closed ears and closed eyes syndrome and your inability to take your medicine, from someone who well is qualified to stand up to your bullying.

 

lastinline (& up from a very short nap)

[stevepiv 0]

Lastinline: Listen to this sermon and pay close attention around the 38:00 mark...

 

SERMON ON ACTS 10

 

Since moving up to Fresno a few months ago, we are still benifitting from our old Church. Thanks be to God for Biblical teaching and preaching!!!

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Sola Scriptura

The Bible is the sole written divine revelation and alone can bind the conscience of believers absolutely (Matt. 4:4; 2 Tim. 3:16).

 

 

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 4:4 AV

 

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:16 AV

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16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:16 AV

 

 

FALSE PROPHET (Greek pseudoprophḗetēs). One who wrongfully claims to be a channel of divine revelation (cf. Jer. 23:16). In the latter stages of the divided Israelite monarchy, the canonical prophets readily denounced the various types of diviners who influenced the royal court (Jer. 27:10; 29:8; Ezek. 13), “prophesying falsely” (Heb. nibbe˒îm laššāqer; Jer. 27:15) in the Lord’s name advice that betrayed the people’s best interests (v. 10; 23:32; 29:9). Moreover, many of the professional prophets had lost sight of their calling (cf. 2:8; 23:9–40), instructing the people by “the deceit of their own heart” (v. 26; cf. 14:14) to disregard the word of God and to abandon their covenantal responsibilities (cf. v. 17; Isa. 30:10–11). Ironically, the Israelites failed to discern the lies upon which these oracles were premised (Jer. 23:32; cf. Luke 6:26) and thus brought upon themselves the Exile as divine punishment (Jer. 14:13–16).

 

The early Church was keenly aware of the perils posed by false prophets who might distract believers from the responsibilities of Christian discipleship (cf. Did. 11:3–12). Jesus warned of such individuals “who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves” (Matt. 7:15). They claimed supernatural powers (1 John 4:2) and practiced exorcism, using Jesus’ name (cf. Matt. 12:27 par.; Acts 19:13–16). The Jewish magician Bar-Jesus (Elymas), who opposed Paul and Barnabas, was a false prophet (13:6). In times of social upheaval the number of false prophets seems to have increased (cf. 2 Pet. 2:4); consequently, they figured prominently in Christian perceptions of the end times (Matt. 24:11, 24 par. Mark 13:22; cf. Rev. 16:13; 19:20; 20:10). The Eerdmans Bible dictionary

 

 

 

32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:32 AV

 

26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Luke 6:26 AV

 

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A New Israelite Maximist response to me regarding some comments I made about this FALSE prophet and ANTICHRIST church:

 

"Steven,

I saw your response to a letter of a deystvia calling Molokans Anti-Christ. I believe your words were "Anti Christ spirit of the Molokan church. No Christian should be attending there." I understand your position and even though I do not agree with the direction which you have taken your life, I understand.

I have a really different perspective and believe that the inerrant Word of God is that which proceeds from the mouth of God. (Matt 4:4).

 

There is no need for you to be defaming our faith. Looking back to call us anti-Christ will turn you into a pillar of salt. You don't have to accept our prophets. I do accept them and accept their words as the Inerrant Word of God. I can find fault with the church that you go to, but have respect for you and don't do that.

 

We have a different perspective and do not accept the Nicene Creed. Very few churches reject the Nicene Creed, but there are a number of us. I know of a pentacostal type church in Long Beach which considers the Catholic Church the anti-Christ and also rejects the Nicene Creed. I consider them brothers.

 

Generally, Molokans accept Jesus Christ as their Lord. That makes us Christian. The Jesus Christ who is our Lord is the same one described in the Bible. We accept the proposition that we all can be sons and daughters of God and in that sense we are all annointed (i.e. Christ). In that sense and that sense only is Maxim messiah. So am I and so is everyone who is filled with the Holy Spirit. The messiah lives in all believers. Not everyone accepts this proposition. That is their prerogative. That is how they believe.

 

Calling us anti-Christ is no different than calling one or some of the apostles anti-Christ. They were followers. We are followers. I disagree with you calling us anti-Christ and will not render judgment on you as you have upon us. You need to examine why you find the need to support your church by damning where you left. It is like we are playing football and you joined a soccer game and are now complaining that we are using our hands. Let us play our game. You play yours. We are not violating any rules. If you want to return, you will be welcomed back. For those who will find fault with us amongst our own, God will put it in their heart to leave as He did with you.

 

I wish you well in your endeavors and in your faith. Go in peace and remain in peace."

 

[Guest Wondering]

Since I am still on my own journey, I do not think of the Molokan church as the anti-christ. After all, I was born, raised and married in the faith. I was brought up to know God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I profess Jesus Christ is Lord and I try to follow the commandments of the Bible, however difficult they may be for me. I wish to say though that I don't agree with certain rules of the molokan church and I feel it has stifled my growth in fully knowing the teachings of Jesus as a true Christian. I don't bash the molokans or the church. I just don't agree with certain things that are taught. After all, my entire family...parents, relatives and friends are still molokan and I love them very much.

 

Stevepiv sometimes it seems to me like you are way out in left field with some of the things you say. I say that because your knowledge is so much more vast than mine. But it's good because it makes me think and have to research scripture to find answers. I have to study and I gain more knowledge. Other times I just don't get it lol. Anyway as a fellow Christian thank you for all the information you put up here even if I don't agree with you. As for this letter I see it as a letter asking you to calm down and let bygones be bygones. After all you probably have been through I can understand. As a fellow christian do as Jesus says and kick the old dust off your feet and don't go back to that city by speaking of it. I think you will find if you concentrate on the Lord and your family your soul may be much more joyful. Just a thought from a fellow christian.

 

 

 

 

 

A New Israelite Maximist response to me regarding some comments I made about this FALSE prophet and ANTICHRIST church:

 

"Steven,

I saw your response to a letter of a deystvia calling Molokans Anti-Christ. I believe your words were "Anti Christ spirit of the Molokan church. No Christian should be attending there." I understand your position and even though I do not agree with the direction which you have taken your life, I understand.

I have a really different perspective and believe that the inerrant Word of God is that which proceeds from the mouth of God. (Matt 4:4).

 

There is no need for you to be defaming our faith. Looking back to call us anti-Christ will turn you into a pillar of salt. You don't have to accept our prophets. I do accept them and accept their words as the Inerrant Word of God. I can find fault with the church that you go to, but have respect for you and don't do that.

 

We have a different perspective and do not accept the Nicene Creed. Very few churches reject the Nicene Creed, but there are a number of us. I know of a pentacostal type church in Long Beach which considers the Catholic Church the anti-Christ and also rejects the Nicene Creed. I consider them brothers.

 

Generally, Molokans accept Jesus Christ as their Lord. That makes us Christian. The Jesus Christ who is our Lord is the same one described in the Bible. We accept the proposition that we all can be sons and daughters of God and in that sense we are all annointed (i.e. Christ). In that sense and that sense only is Maxim messiah. So am I and so is everyone who is filled with the Holy Spirit. The messiah lives in all believers. Not everyone accepts this proposition. That is their prerogative. That is how they believe.

 

Calling us anti-Christ is no different than calling one or some of the apostles anti-Christ. They were followers. We are followers. I disagree with you calling us anti-Christ and will not render judgment on you as you have upon us. You need to examine why you find the need to support your church by damning where you left. It is like we are playing football and you joined a soccer game and are now complaining that we are using our hands. Let us play our game. You play yours. We are not violating any rules. If you want to return, you will be welcomed back. For those who will find fault with us amongst our own, God will put it in their heart to leave as He did with you.

 

I wish you well in your endeavors and in your faith. Go in peace and remain in peace."

 

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After all you probably have been through I can understand. As a fellow christian do as Jesus says and kick the old dust off your feet and don't go back to that city by speaking of it. I think you will find if you concentrate on the Lord and your family your soul may be much more joyful. Just a thought from a fellow christian.

Well said, I have tried to say much the same and was met with the long knives of vitriol. I hope and pray that the same does not swiftly come to you for your heart felt advise, Amen.

 

My elbow rubbing offer still stands, maybe at ***** on *************? Attending? ?

 

lastinline (called there, 4 them, 4 HIM by HIM)

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There Is zero biblical support for a Christian to attend a cult as their primary "church"

Ministry opportunity, possibly.

 

Anti means against. To to call the cult of Molokanism anti-Christ is accurate

 

The presence of the extra book negates any claim of Christianity by the "leadership"

 

The extra book advocates "another way" other than Jesus as the Way, Truth and Life

 

Be honest with yourself and know why you are there

 

It's either "church" or an outreach ministry

 

It CANNOT be both

[Guest Guest]

I was brought up to know God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I profess Jesus Christ is Lord and I try to follow the commandments of the Bible,

 

--Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. Matthew 16

--"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6

--Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2

 

 

[Guest Wondering]

Thanks lastinline but I am staying away from molokan church for now. The thought of even going distresses me. As I said I'm still on my own journey and so I stay away. As for my suggestion to stevepiv I hope he at least considers it. I can only guess at what he has been through. I can understand why he maybe a bit bitter and I believe he has stated he is. I pray in time he will be able to let go of those feelings and be able to have happiness and joy once again.

 

Also I have read the comments after my post from the other posters and that is all I will say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After all you probably have been through I can understand. As a fellow christian do as Jesus says and kick the old dust off your feet and don't go back to that city by speaking of it. I think you will find if you concentrate on the Lord and your family your soul may be much more joyful. Just a thought from a fellow christian.

Well said, I have tried to say much the same and was met with the long knives of vitriol. I hope and pray that the same does not swiftly come to you for your heart felt advise, Amen.

 

My elbow rubbing offer still stands, maybe at ***** on *************? Attending?

 

lastinline (called there, 4 them, 4 HIM by HIM)

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I do not necessarily agree with your assessment

 

What's really happened is he has come to a full knowledge of the Truth and what is viewed as "christianity" within the cult of molokanism is disgusting as it should be.

 

For guys, there is possibly a feeling of being duped. To realize you have been a tool in propagating a cult is very unsettling.

 

People would like to think they are smarter than that but we need to be remineded it was a Spiritual problem not a cognitive one

 

Continuing... Those who know the truth that still want to flit around the periphery of the cult because of social ties are unwise

 

If they were healthy Christians, they could not be there.

 

Their Spirits should be SCREAMING something is wrong

 

You can pray for those who are still in the cult without subjecting yourself to the cult

 

You can engage those in the cult without putting yourself in harms way

 

Go have a cup of coffee and discuss the situation.

Invite them to a real Church.

 

You don't stand on the railroad tracks trying to convince people there's a train coming

 

You are wise to stay away

 

 

Thanks lastinline but I am staying away from molokan church for now. The thought of even going distresses me. As I said I'm still on my own journey and so I stay away. As for my suggestion to stevepiv I hope he at least considers it. I can only guess at what he has been through. I can understand why he maybe a bit bitter and I believe he has stated he is. I pray in time he will be able to let go of those feelings and be able to have happiness and joy once again.

 

Also I have read the comments after my post from the other posters and that is all I will say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After all you probably have been through I can understand. As a fellow christian do as Jesus says and kick the old dust off your feet and don't go back to that city by speaking of it. I think you will find if you concentrate on the Lord and your family your soul may be much more joyful. Just a thought from a fellow christian.

Well said, I have tried to say much the same and was met with the long knives of vitriol. I hope and pray that the same does not swiftly come to you for your heart felt advise, Amen.

 

My elbow rubbing offer still stands, maybe at ***** on *************? Attending?

 

lastinline (called there, 4 them, 4 HIM by HIM)

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Adding to the the observation... Happiness is conditional where Joy is because of the Lord in your Life

 

Joy is not conditional because it is a fruit of the Spirit

 

22 But when the Holy Spirit controls our lives, he will produce this kind of fruit in us: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 gentleness, and self-control. Here there is no conflict with the law. (Galatians 5:22-23)

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Why would a Christian invite someone to a cult meeting and subject them to the garbage?

 

Should someone invite a recovering alcoholic to go drinking or a person who had a problem with lust to hang out at a strip club?

 

It's irresponsible and ill conceived at best

 

It is the responsibility of a Christian to point others to Jesus NOT to a cult

 

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,

30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1:28-32)

 

Come out from among them and do not particiapte in their evil ways

 

As the other person so accurately cited these passages

 

--Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. Matthew 16

--"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6

--Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2

 

 

Well said, I have tried to say much the same and was met with the long knives of vitriol. I hope and pray that the same does not swiftly come to you for your heart felt advise, Amen.

 

My elbow rubbing offer still stands, maybe at ***** on *************? Attending?

 

lastinline (called there, 4 them, 4 HIM by HIM)

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Hey wondering...

 

The identification of the cult of molokanism being anti-Christ is because the leadership is in fact against Christ and who He says He Is

 

Much like Muslims are anti-Christ because although they acknowledge Him as a historical figure and a prophet but do not accept Him as Lord, Savior and God With Us

 

Because of heretical doctrine stemming from the s&l Jesus is not considered the Only Way

 

That is not to say you could not have known Jesus within that environment BUT that was not as a result of their abhorrent teachings

 

Another concern is molokanism is not a "faith" nor can anyone be "born into" a "faith"

 

The cult of molokanism is a group of people who share ethno-cultural ties but the "faith" aspects is not based in Biblical Christianity especially oven the past few decades

 

Salvation is of the Lord by virtue of His calling and provision

 

42 And they said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?"

43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, "Do not murmur among yourselves.

44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

45 "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

47 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. (John 6:42-27)

 

For even I, the Son of Man, came here not to be served but to serve others, and to give my life as a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28)

 

Trying to follow God's law is an admirable endeavor but no one can do it perfectly especially in their own strength

 

The Law was to point you to Jesus not for something to try and keep to earn His favor

 

24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian and teacher to lead us until Christ came. So now, through faith in Christ, we are made right with God.

25 But now that faith in Christ has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.

26 So you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:24-26)

 

So I guess the question is what is the Faith referred to in verse 26?

 

Who is it in and for what purpose?

 

If it's in Jesus, Jesus who?

 

The cult of molokanism's "Jesus" who is considered a created being and not Deity?

OR

The Biblical Jesus who is God With Us?

 

6 For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. And the government will rest on his shoulders. These will be his royal titles: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 His ever expanding, peaceful government will never end. He will rule forever with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David. The passionate commitment of the LORD Almighty will guarantee this! (Isaiah 9:6-7)

 

A created man-only Jesus could not live a perfect life on our behalf.

 

This is the molokan cult "jesus" and that is why the cult emphasizes the useless rituals of man to "earn" their "salvation" which includes praying for the dead, keeping a list of unBiblical rules etc...

 

Only Jesus as fully God AND fully Man could. Putting your trust in His finished work brings Salvation

 

Keeping the law, the rules or the best intentions has no value from an eternal standpoint

 

Since I am still on my own journey, I do not think of the Molokan church as the anti-christ. After all, I was born, raised and married in the faith. I was brought up to know God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I profess Jesus Christ is Lord and I try to follow the commandments of the Bible, however difficult they may be for me. I wish to say though that I don't agree with certain rules of the molokan church and I feel it has stifled my growth in fully knowing the teachings of Jesus as a true Christian. I don't bash the molokans or the church. I just don't agree with certain things that are taught. After all, my entire family...parents, relatives and friends are still molokan and I love them very much.

 

Stevepiv sometimes it seems to me like you are way out in left field with some of the things you say. I say that because your knowledge is so much more vast than mine. But it's good because it makes me think and have to research scripture to find answers. I have to study and I gain more knowledge. Other times I just don't get it lol. Anyway as a fellow Christian thank you for all the information you put up here even if I don't agree with you. As for this letter I see it as a letter asking you to calm down and let bygones be bygones. After all you probably have been through I can understand. As a fellow christian do as Jesus says and kick the old dust off your feet and don't go back to that city by speaking of it. I think you will find if you concentrate on the Lord and your family your soul may be much more joyful. Just a thought from a fellow christian.

[stevepiv 0]

Guest Wondering,

 

Thanks for your response. I do pray that someday you will fully grasp the demonic activity that is prevalent in the Molokan church. Do you know and understand Russian? I only ask because many do not, and really have no idea what is being said there. Just because a Bible is being held by a speaker, does not mean that he is Biblically expounding on the Scripture.

 

 

I am not bitter, angry, mad, hold grudges...or anything like that towards anyone in the Molokan church.

 

I do hate their doctrine. It is the doctrine of devil. And, many will end up in the lake of fire (hell) because they were duped into believing a lie by satan himself.

 

Does that not affect you in someway? Imagine your parents dying and ending up in hell, because they were duped by satans messengers to believe the lie of Molokanism.

 

If you had the cure for cancer, would you keep it to yourself? Well, we have more than that- THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!

 

 

We are to contend for the Faith. I would ask you to please listen to a sermon from our Church in LA that we were members of when we lived there. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SERMON!!!

 

CLICK HERE TO LISTEN TO THE SERMON: EARNESTLY CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH

 

 

[Guest Wondering]

Stevepiv,

 

Amen to this: If you had the cure for cancer, would you keep it to yourself? Well, we have more than that- THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!

 

I did listen to the sermon...very good sermon I agree we do need to contend for the faith.

 

As for me I'm still on a journey. I am using the bible as my guide towards the kind of person the Lord Jesus instructs us to be. I'm taking one step at a time and that includes seeing how molokanism is different from christianity.

 

I didn't say that you were bitter against anyone person in molokanism, just that you may have been from the whole experience in general.

 

I don't know much of russian and of how to properly speak it. Which leads to why I am seeking to know jesus where I can understand the language. I never did understand the speeches unless they were spoken in english which is few and far between in molokan churches. It seems to me that the speeches don't pertain to our everyday lives. You know like how to deal with stuff you come across each day. In the bible Jesus came across every kind of person and many different kinds of situations to which he responded to with godly knowledge. It's that knowledge I seek in responding to events in my everyday life.

 

 

 

 

 

Guest Wondering,

 

Thanks for your response. I do pray that someday you will fully grasp the demonic activity that is prevalent in the Molokan church. Do you know and understand Russian? I only ask because many do not, and really have no idea what is being said there. Just because a Bible is being held by a speaker, does not mean that he is Biblically expounding on the Scripture.

 

 

I am not bitter, angry, mad, hold grudges...or anything like that towards anyone in the Molokan church.

 

I do hate their doctrine. It is the doctrine of devil. And, many will end up in the lake of fire (hell) because they were duped into believing a lie by satan himself.

 

Does that not affect you in someway? Imagine your parents dying and ending up in hell, because they were duped by satans messengers to believe the lie of Molokanism.

 

If you had the cure for cancer, would you keep it to yourself? Well, we have more than that- THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!

 

 

We are to contend for the Faith. I would ask you to please listen to a sermon from our Church in LA that we were members of when we lived there. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SERMON!!!

 

CLICK HERE TO LISTEN TO THE SERMON: EARNESTLY CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH

 

[Guest Wondering]

Considering the source and the Venue.

 

lastinline (not too worry)

 

 

 

I was reading my bible and I came across these verses. It made a HUGE impact and really said it all for me. To actually see it in print and come upon it I thank God for pointing this out. So here it is...salvation through Jesus alone. Not Jim Jones, Not MGR, David Koresh or any other person. I would also add no other book other than the Bible should be our guide. Acts 4: 10-12

 

 

10be it known unto you all and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified and whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.

 

 

11This is `the stone which was set at nought by you builders and which has become the head of the corner.'

 

 

12Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved."

 

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Therein lies the "rub" between Biblical Christianity and molokanism

 

According to the cult of molokanism there is "another way"

 

Prayer for the dead, xtini plus keeping all the "rules" etc...

 

If you go a little further in the Book of Acts you find the following

 

34 ¶ Then Peter replied, "I see very clearly that God doesn't show partiality.

35 In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right. (Acts 10:34-35)

 

Since God shows no partiality, there is no "us or them... nash or ne-nash" if you are in Christ

 

Peter was a Jew yet his views on Jew versus gentile was changed by God's Spirit

 

15 "Well, I began telling them the Good News, but just as I was getting started, the Holy Spirit fell on them, just as he fell on us at the beginning.

16 Then I thought of the Lord's words when he said, 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'

17 And since God gave these Gentiles the same gift he gave us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to argue?"

18 When the others heard this, all their objections were answered and they began praising God. They said, "God has also given the Gentiles the privilege of turning from sin and receiving eternal life." (Acts 11:15-18)

 

The cult of molokanism wrongly believes they are the "new israel" and all they are doing is trying to be like the blind Jews of Peter's era

 

It's no different 2000 years later for the cult

 

That is why "rubbing elbows" at a cult meeting is no place for a Chrstian as "church" because it's not a Church

 

You are on the right track

 

Keep reading His Word!

 

 

I was reading my bible and I came across these verses. It made a HUGE impact and really said it all for me. To actually see it in print and come upon it I thank God for pointing this out. So here it is...salvation through Jesus alone. Not Jim Jones, Not MGR, David Koresh or any other person. I would also add no other book other than the Bible should be our guide. Acts 4: 10-12

 

 

10be it known unto you all and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified and whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.

 

 

11This is `the stone which was set at nought by you builders and which has become the head of the corner.'

 

 

12Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved."

[anonymous 0]

Even though I need to rest up since I'll be attending a banquet for a wonderful Christian Outreach, called "Turning Point" that work on preventing abortions. It was started and is still headed by a wonderful former Molokan, who still has the wonderful heart of a Christian Molokan, even though former. (post #16, lastinline)

 

If we follow lastinline’s reasoning and association regarding “molokan” and the couple who opened the pregnancy center, and consider it currently accurate, then it follows that lastinline and the molokan community can currently and accurately be referred to as “Russian Orthodox” (even though former).

Now the question to lastinline (and those with a "molokan mindset" like him)---since the nickname “molokan” represents individuals who broke away from/left the Russian Orthodox Church because they disagreed with some of its teachings and are no longer members of nor participants in its belief system, why would they still be considered “Russian Orthodox”? And if not, why not?

[Guest guest]

Even though I need to rest up since I'll be attending a banquet for a wonderful Christian Outreach, called "Turning Point" that work on preventing abortions. It was started and is still headed by a wonderful former Molokan, who still has the wonderful heart of a Christian Molokan, even though former. (post #16, lastinline)

If we follow lastinline’s reasoning and association regarding “molokan” and the couple who opened the pregnancy center, and consider it currently accurate, then it follows that lastinline and the molokan community can currently and accurately be referred to as “Russian Orthodox” (even though former).

 

Now the question to lastinline---since the nickname “molokan” represents individuals who broke away from/left the Russian Orthodox Church because they disagreed with some of its teachings and are no longer members of nor participants in its belief system, why would they still be considered “Russian Orthodox”? And if not, why not?

I don't see what Catholicism Uklein broke away from, he still took all the baggage with him, they even ate pork, still signed the cross, had icons in their church and blessed with objects, spritsed with Holy water, baptised infants and repented sin for their dead.

 

Today's Molokans are pretty much the same.......... Anee porkless Catholnekee.

 

[Guest Guest]

Stevepiv,

 

Amen to this: If you had the cure for cancer, would you keep it to yourself? Well, we have more than that- THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!

 

I did listen to the sermon...very good sermon I agree we do need to contend for the faith.

 

As for me I'm still on a journey. I am using the bible as my guide towards the kind of person the Lord Jesus instructs us to be. I'm taking one step at a time and that includes seeing how molokanism is different from christianity.

 

I didn't say that you were bitter against anyone person in molokanism, just that you may have been from the whole experience in general.

 

I don't know much of russian and of how to properly speak it. Which leads to why I am seeking to know jesus where I can understand the language. I never did understand the speeches unless they were spoken in english which is few and far between in molokan churches. It seems to me that the speeches don't pertain to our everyday lives. You know like how to deal with stuff you come across each day. In the bible Jesus came across every kind of person and many different kinds of situations to which he responded to with godly knowledge. It's that knowledge I seek in responding to events in my everyday life.

 

 

 

 

 

Guest Wondering,

 

Thanks for your response. I do pray that someday you will fully grasp the demonic activity that is prevalent in the Molokan church. Do you know and understand Russian? I only ask because many do not, and really have no idea what is being said there. Just because a Bible is being held by a speaker, does not mean that he is Biblically expounding on the Scripture.

 

 

I am not bitter, angry, mad, hold grudges...or anything like that towards anyone in the Molokan church.

 

I do hate their doctrine. It is the doctrine of devil. And, many will end up in the lake of fire (hell) because they were duped into believing a lie by satan himself.

 

Does that not affect you in someway? Imagine your parents dying and ending up in hell, because they were duped by satans messengers to believe the lie of Molokanism.

 

If you had the cure for cancer, would you keep it to yourself? Well, we have more than that- THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!

 

 

We are to contend for the Faith. I would ask you to please listen to a sermon from our Church in LA that we were members of when we lived there. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SERMON!!!

 

CLICK HERE TO LISTEN TO THE SERMON: EARNESTLY CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH

 

[Guest Guest]

I had an interesting conversation yesterday with a "Christian" besednic from one of the valleys sabranias for the spiritually challenged. I asked why the Duh E Zisin remains on their front table, this elder replied, "So the maximisti can expose themselves, then we will know who they are." I asked the elder, with which Bible Scripture do you justify that action? I got no answer, and pictured a deer staring into the headlights of an oncoming car. And you wonder how they got off track?

 

Ephesians 6:10-20

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.

11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,

15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;

18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints —

19 and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel,

20 for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

NKJV

 

[stevepiv 0]

After all you probably have been through I can understand. As a fellow christian do as Jesus says and kick the old dust off your feet and don't go back to that city by speaking of it. I think you will find if you concentrate on the Lord and your family your soul may be much more joyful. Just a thought from a fellow christian.

Well said, I have tried to say much the same and was met with the long knives of vitriol. I hope and pray that the same does not swiftly come to you for your heart felt advise, Amen.

 

My elbow rubbing offer still stands, maybe at ***** on *************? Attending? ?

 

lastinline (called there, 4 them, 4 HIM by HIM)

 

Oh, you must be talking about the extini tonight, when they gather together to pray a baby into the book of life and blow 3 times to give the Holy Spirit to the baby.

 

Yeah, another couple claiming Christ, yet stuck deep in the bonds of religion.

 

Lastinline's signature says it all about him.

 

It's more comfortable to stay and eat your borscht.

 

One hint on lastinline- he lives in Fresno.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

There another upcoming "extini" where an adult has to go through a similar process to join the cult

 

They certainly DO NOT know their Bible or they would RUN as fast as they could away from the cult

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Oh, you must be talking about the extini tonight, when they gather together to pray a baby into the book of life and blow 3 times to give the Holy Spirit to the baby.

 

Yeah, another couple claiming Christ, yet stuck deep in the bonds of religion.

 

Lastinline's signature says it all about him.

 

It's more comfortable to stay and eat your borscht.

 

One hint on lastinline- he lives in Fresno.

Adherents of xtini claim, the baby is not attaining Salvation through the prayers of the parents or the church, they say xtini is only a dedication, what is the difference between dedication to Jesus and believing upon Jesus?

[Guest Guest]

I had an interesting conversation yesterday with a "Christian" besednic from one of the valleys sabranias for the spiritually challenged. I asked why the Duh E Zisin remains on their front table, this elder replied, "So the maximisti can expose themselves, then we will know who they are."

 

That way when you eat lapsha with them you know not to bring up the S&L :122:

[Guest Guest]

Jack Volkoff, is that your signature on both letters?

 

 

Maybe he didnt see your question, i'll quote it so he can see it.

[Guest guest]

I had an interesting conversation yesterday with a "Christian" besednic from one of the valleys sabranias for the spiritually challenged. I asked why the Duh E Zisin remains on their front table, this elder replied, "So the maximisti can expose themselves, then we will know who they are."

 

That way when you eat lapsha with them you know not to bring up the S&L :122:

Sorry, let me clarify, this conversation took place on public property, eat lapsha with them, no, that won't be happening. Bring up the S&L, EVERY time I get the chance, it makes them squirm.