Doing God's Will

February 26, 2010

Nad, i was once where you find yourself now. I was steeped in our traditions, i strove to be the best singer, i thirsted for notariety amongst the brotherhood for my abilities. I followed all of the things that i was told in spevka, s&l class. I repeated all of the coined phrases that i heard, both in russian, and english. I believed that we were "special" I believed that we were the chosen. I prepetuated all of the hatred, bigotry, and arrogance that i learned from my "elders" Until one day!

On that day, i realized that i was nothing without Jesus Christ! I began to realize that i had been fed lies, that i was living a lie! It was hard to admit to myself that i was wrong, even harder to admit to others! Read the replies from the more zealous molokan proponents, what do you see? I see fear, i see anger, i see them telling us to get out, i see them telling us to just go along with the program. Is there any scriptural basis for these attitudes?

What people fail to to know, and understand, is that the whole "new israel" movement and their leader maxim were not there from the beginnings of molokanism. The sect of molokans began in the early-mid 1700's, maxim and his followers weren't until the early 1800's. All throughout history we see these charismatic leaders that claim a new, and special knowledge, leaders that claim to be messiahs, and we see the deluded faithful follow them to destruction!

Go beyond what you skazvitz out of the s&l, read the passages that no one reads, or that the elders gloss over. You will find ugliness, you will find hatred, you will find the writings of a delusional mind! There are molokan proponents that are quick to point out what they see as flawed writings in the Bible. The big difference is, that those that were flawed in the Bible came to repent of their flaws, nowhere do you see them claiming outrageous titles for themselves, claiming to be gods of the faithful, claiming to hold judgement, in the end of these flawed charchters stories, they are reconciled to God for His glory!

Nad, what better teacher can we have than God's Holy Spirit? Don't take our, or anyone elses word for it. Don't rely on what your elders would have you believe. Seek out Gods wisdom, ask Him to give you understanding, He will not lead you astray!

NAD923 · February 26, 2010

Nad, i was once where you find yourself now. I was steeped in our traditions, i strove to be the best singer, i thirsted for notoriety amongst the brotherhood for my abilities. I followed all of the things that i was told in spevka, s&l class. I repeated all of the coined phrases that i heard, both in Russian, and English. I believed that we were "special" I believed that we were the chosen. I perpetuated all of the hatred, bigotry, and arrogance that i learned from my "elders" Until one day!

On that day, i realized that i was nothing without Jesus Christ! I began to realize that i had been fed lies, that i was living a lie! It was hard to admit to myself that i was wrong, even harder to admit to others! Read the replies from the more zealous molokan proponents, what do you see? I see fear, i see anger, i see them telling us to get out, i see them telling us to just go along with the program. Is there any scriptural basis for these attitudes?

What people fail to to know, and understand, is that the whole "new Israel" movement and their leader maxim were not there from the beginnings of molokanism. The sect of molokans began in the early-mid 1700's, maxim and his followers weren't until the early 1800's. All throughout history we see these charismatic leaders that claim a new, and special knowledge, leaders that claim to be messiahs, and we see the deluded faithful follow them to destruction!

Go beyond what you skazvitz out of the s&l, read the passages that no one reads, or that the elders gloss over. You will find ugliness, you will find hatred, you will find the writings of a delusional mind! There are molokan proponents that are quick to point out what they see as flawed writings in the Bible. The big difference is, that those that were flawed in the Bible came to repent of their flaws, nowhere do you see them claiming outrageous titles for themselves, claiming to be gods of the faithful, claiming to hold judgement, in the end of these flawed characters stories, they are reconciled to God for His glory!

Nad, what better teacher can we have than God's Holy Spirit? Don't take our, or anyone else's word for it. Don't rely on what your elders would have you believe. Seek out Gods wisdom, ask Him to give you understanding, He will not lead you astray!

(Freespellcheckbygoogle)

We are all set in our ways.

Some houses are built of straw, some of stone

but the corner stone is Christ.

I'll say I have had conformation through the Spirit that my beliefs are true,

and you'll say your wrong, that was through satan.

I'll say what you are preaching is not from the Spirit,

and you'll say how can that be it's confirmed in the Bible.

All we are doing is going around in circles until some one gets upset.

Does that seem like the will/teaching of Christ?

February 26, 2010

Nad, i was once where you find yourself now. I was steeped in our traditions, i strove to be the best singer, i thirsted for notoriety amongst the brotherhood for my abilities. I followed all of the things that i was told in spevka, s&l class. I repeated all of the coined phrases that i heard, both in Russian, and English. I believed that we were "special" I believed that we were the chosen. I perpetuated all of the hatred, bigotry, and arrogance that i learned from my "elders" Until one day!

On that day, i realized that i was nothing without Jesus Christ! I began to realize that i had been fed lies, that i was living a lie! It was hard to admit to myself that i was wrong, even harder to admit to others! Read the replies from the more zealous molokan proponents, what do you see? I see fear, i see anger, i see them telling us to get out, i see them telling us to just go along with the program. Is there any scriptural basis for these attitudes?

What people fail to to know, and understand, is that the whole "new Israel" movement and their leader maxim were not there from the beginnings of molokanism. The sect of molokans began in the early-mid 1700's, maxim and his followers weren't until the early 1800's. All throughout history we see these charismatic leaders that claim a new, and special knowledge, leaders that claim to be messiahs, and we see the deluded faithful follow them to destruction!

Go beyond what you skazvitz out of the s&l, read the passages that no one reads, or that the elders gloss over. You will find ugliness, you will find hatred, you will find the writings of a delusional mind! There are molokan proponents that are quick to point out what they see as flawed writings in the Bible. The big difference is, that those that were flawed in the Bible came to repent of their flaws, nowhere do you see them claiming outrageous titles for themselves, claiming to be gods of the faithful, claiming to hold judgement, in the end of these flawed characters stories, they are reconciled to God for His glory!

Nad, what better teacher can we have than God's Holy Spirit? Don't take our, or anyone else's word for it. Don't rely on what your elders would have you believe. Seek out Gods wisdom, ask Him to give you understanding, He will not lead you astray!

(Freespellcheckbygoogle)

We are all set in our ways.

Some houses are built of straw, some of stone

but the corner stone is Christ.

I'll say I have had conformation through the Spirit that my beliefs are true,

and you'll say your wrong, that was through satan.

I'll say what you are preaching is not from the Spirit,

and you'll say how can that be it's confirmed in the Bible.

All we are doing is going around in circles until some one gets upset.

Does that seem like the will/teaching of Christ?

No, you won't get the merry-go-round with me. I spoke my peace, do with it what you will. But unlike some on this forum, i feel that we can dialogue about issues, and just because we don't see eye to eye, doesn't make us enemies.

NAD923 · February 27, 2010

Nad, i was once where you find yourself now. I was steeped in our traditions, i strove to be the best singer, i thirsted for notoriety amongst the brotherhood for my abilities. I followed all of the things that i was told in spevka, s&l class. I repeated all of the coined phrases that i heard, both in Russian, and English. I believed that we were "special" I believed that we were the chosen. I perpetuated all of the hatred, bigotry, and arrogance that i learned from my "elders" Until one day!

On that day, i realized that i was nothing without Jesus Christ! I began to realize that i had been fed lies, that i was living a lie! It was hard to admit to myself that i was wrong, even harder to admit to others! Read the replies from the more zealous molokan proponents, what do you see? I see fear, i see anger, i see them telling us to get out, i see them telling us to just go along with the program. Is there any scriptural basis for these attitudes?

What people fail to to know, and understand, is that the whole "new Israel" movement and their leader maxim were not there from the beginnings of molokanism. The sect of molokans began in the early-mid 1700's, maxim and his followers weren't until the early 1800's. All throughout history we see these charismatic leaders that claim a new, and special knowledge, leaders that claim to be messiahs, and we see the deluded faithful follow them to destruction!

Go beyond what you skazvitz out of the s&l, read the passages that no one reads, or that the elders gloss over. You will find ugliness, you will find hatred, you will find the writings of a delusional mind! There are molokan proponents that are quick to point out what they see as flawed writings in the Bible. The big difference is, that those that were flawed in the Bible came to repent of their flaws, nowhere do you see them claiming outrageous titles for themselves, claiming to be gods of the faithful, claiming to hold judgement, in the end of these flawed characters stories, they are reconciled to God for His glory!

Nad, what better teacher can we have than God's Holy Spirit? Don't take our, or anyone else's word for it. Don't rely on what your elders would have you believe. Seek out Gods wisdom, ask Him to give you understanding, He will not lead you astray!

(Freespellcheckbygoogle)

We are all set in our ways.

Some houses are built of straw, some of stone

but the corner stone is Christ.

I'll say I have had conformation through the Spirit that my beliefs are true,

and you'll say your wrong, that was through satan.

I'll say what you are preaching is not from the Spirit,

and you'll say how can that be it's confirmed in the Bible.

All we are doing is going around in circles until some one gets upset.

Does that seem like the will/teaching of Christ?

No, you won't get the merry-go-round with me. I spoke my peace, do with it what you will. But unlike some on this forum, i feel that we can dialogue about issues, and just because we don't see eye to eye, doesn't make us enemies.

OK HUH?

A number of years ago I prayed about my beleifs, my friends were going in the same direction as you guys.

I brought forth an offering and in secret asked God to set me straight.

A man in the Spirit told me that I should hold to what I have and not let false teachings sway me.

Then made 3 openings (one from each book) and all the openings said the same as what was said by the Spirit.

Now if I change my veiws, am I not going against HIS will?

seeking_truth_1 · February 27, 2010

NAD:

Though you are steeped in the cult of molokanism you're at least willing to dialog and ask questions

Going against His will is going against His Word

How could something that is of the "spirit" of God contradicts His Word?

For example, there is a commandment: "Thou shalt not steal"

If you receive a "message" from an elder and he tells you "it's OK to steal" is it really of God?

There is a commandment "Thou shalt not commit adultery" and yet mgr overtly engaged in polygamy with his "spiritual wives" is it of God?

You're not going against His will if you were wrong in the first place and have come to the Truth

OK HUH?
A number of years ago I prayed about my beleifs, my friends were going in the same direction as you guys.

I brought forth an offering and in secret asked God to set me straight.

A man in the Spirit told me that I should hold to what I have and not let false teachings sway me.

Then made 3 openings (one from each book) and all the openings said the same as what was said by the Spirit.

Now if I change my veiws, am I not going against HIS will?

February 27, 2010

Nad, i wasn't at your doing. I wasn't able to see, or hear the things that were said. So i really can't comment on what took place.

All i can do, is point you to Scripture. As Christ was preparing for the ordeal that he was about to face, he ate a last meal with those that were closest to him. The Apostles were affraid of what would become of them after Christ left them. What would they do? How could they continue on? These are the words of our Lord to them, found in John 14

25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

"Bring to your remembrance all that i have said to you"Nad, what are the things that he spoke of? What were the things that he taught them? What was this "good news" that he preached?

NAD923 · February 28, 2010

Nad, i wasn't at your doing. I wasn't able to see, or hear the things that were said. So i really can't comment on what took place.

All i can do, is point you to Scripture. As Christ was preparing for the ordeal that he was about to face, he ate a last meal with those that were closest to him. The Apostles were afraid of what would become of them after Christ left them. What would they do? How could they continue on? These are the words of our Lord to them, found in John 14

25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

"Bring to your remembrance all that i have said to you"Nad, what are the things that he spoke of? What were the things that he taught them? What was this "good news" that he preached?

He sent the Spirit to guide us, so we ask for His guidance and then have to go back to scripture to make sure the Spirit is right?

It seems to me that you didn't believe a word I said(?).

What was told to me was enough for me not to question Gods will.

I pray that you have the same fourtune as i did.

March 1, 2010

Hi Nad, i hope you are enjoying your day! It's been awesome here, sunshine after a whole lot of rain.

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe that there are oposing spirits at work in the world?

NAD923 · March 1, 2010

Hi Nad, i hope you are enjoying your day! It's been awesome here, sunshine after a whole lot of rain.

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe that there are oposing spirits at work in the world?

Yes! Read MGR 1:4.

March 1, 2010

Ok, we agree that there are oposing spirits.

A tool that God gives a believer is discernment. Spiritual discernment equips us to believe in God in a way that is consistent with his revelation of himself. It equip us to know him rightly so that we might serve him rightly. It allows us to examine any doctrine or any teaching and to separate what is truth from what is error. We use the Word of God, the Bible, to guide us in this process. The discerning Christian will be the one who compares everything to Scripture, always seeking to know what is true about God.

Think about that, to believe in God in a way that is consistent with his revelation of himself. God has revealed himself to all believers through both the old and new testaments. His attributes, his judgement, his mercy, his grace. Are the writings found in the s&l consistent with how God has revealed himself in scripture?

You have a spirit telling you to hold on to what you have, what is it that you have? Special clothing? Special language? Condemnation of those outside the molokan faith? Faith in a second book that for the most part is contrary to how God has revealed himself?

I believe in prophecy, and the workings of Gods spirit, but we are taught to discern! The Apostle Paul writes in 1st Thessalonians chapter 5

20 Do not despise prophecies, 21 but test everything; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.

How do we know we are not being decieved unless we measure all things against scripture?

March 1, 2010

Funny,

When Jesus was on this earth he didn't concern himself with spiritual brides, or obsess about retribution to those who didn't follow his every command. In fact it would seem that Jesus spent most of his time in the service of others, whether teaching, healing, or even washing others feet. He did not insist on his own Glory, quite the opposite, he allowed himself to be degraded to a level far below what any of us (including Maxcim) have ever experienced, all so that his sacriice for us could be perfect. Remember His Sacrifice For Us, not for himself, that is Love. Now contrast this with Maxcim, does it even seem like they serve the same God?

NAD923 · March 1, 2010

Ok, we agree that there are opposing spirits.

A tool that God gives a believer is discernment. Spiritual discernment equips us to believe in God in a way that is consistent with his revelation of himself. It equip us to know him rightly so that we might serve him rightly. It allows us to examine any doctrine or any teaching and to separate what is truth from what is error. We use the Word of God, the Bible, to guide us in this process. The discerning Christian will be the one who compares everything to Scripture, always seeking to know what is true about God.

Think about that, to believe in God in a way that is consistent with his revelation of himself. God has revealed himself to all believers through both the old and new testaments. His attributes, his judgement, his mercy, his grace. Are the writings found in the s&l consistent with how God has revealed himself in scripture?

You have a spirit telling you to hold on to what you have, what is it that you have? Special clothing? Special language? Condemnation of those outside the molokan faith? Faith in a second book that for the most part is contrary to how God has revealed himself?

I believe in prophecy, and the workings of Gods spirit, but we are taught to discern! The Apostle Paul writes in 1st Thessalonians chapter 5

20 Do not despise prophecies, 21 but test everything; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.

How do we know we are not being deceived unless we measure all things against scripture?

Where can you back up what is written in Revelation(')s?

100 years (or so) after Christ, this man goes to the "church's and tells them what Christ revealed.

How did they accept him? (Some of that stuff is pretty brutal)

How did they accept this new teaching? (There's beasts and whole lot of other stuff even "Christians" of today can't understand)

I sure he would be the scorn of this site if they had internet then.

Do you understand my point?

stevepiv · March 1, 2010

Funny,

When Jesus was on this earth he didn't concern himself with spiritual brides, or obsess about retribution to those who didn't follow his every command. In fact it would seem that Jesus spent most of his time in the service of others, whether teaching, healing, or even washing others feet. He did not insist on his own Glory, quite the opposite, he allowed himself to be degraded to a level far below what any of us (including Maxcim) have ever experienced, all so that his sacriice for us could be perfect. Remember His Sacrifice For Us, not for himself, that is Love. Now contrast this with Maxcim, does it even seem like they serve the same God?

Excellent Post!

NAD923 · March 1, 2010

Funny,

When Jesus was on this earth he didn't concern himself with spiritual brides, or obsess about retribution to those who didn't follow his every command. In fact it would seem that Jesus spent most of his time in the service of others, whether teaching, healing, or even washing others feet. He did not insist on his own Glory, quite the opposite, he allowed himself to be degraded to a level far below what any of us (including Maxcim) have ever experienced, all so that his sacrifice for us could be perfect. Remember His Sacrifice For Us, not for himself, that is Love. Now contrast this with Maxcim, does it even seem like they serve the same God?

Those that died in the name of Christ where better of than what Maxim went through!

Did Maxim suffer 'cause it was the "in thing" or had nothing better to do?

To many wives? Just get out for the week end?

You guys are so deep in it you don't understand what you are saying!

If he was after the "glory" as you say, he was given the chance to rule with the "axmidet"

"No thanks I like my hole, and it's not for now but in the last times where I will deceive all those molokans"(?????????)

If he had the false spirit in him, would it not make sense for him to sell out and turn on all those "new Israelites" and

get rid of them then, squash the Spirit of God? Reestablish the raine of satan again?

Just think about that for awhile, PLEASE!

Of the topic abit but-

As Christ did works, you guys go out and "feed and wash feet" of those in the soup kitchens and slums(?).

What about the sick and widows, among the molokans, that would love some company?

Nobody visits them and they are happy to open doors to false teachers, just for company!

All this love that Jesus has put in your hearts is great! Now go and do some good!

If you did this, (Matt 25) as Christ instructed you will have no time to worry about what going on at the calvery (or any other) church!

seeking_truth_1 · March 1, 2010

NAD:

Since God CANNOT lie how could ANYONE appear and tell you to "forget what God said before...I have a new way"

If it does not line up with Scripture it's not of God

There isn't a "new spirit" or a "new way" as claimed by mgr

The Spirit of God is Eternal and DOES NOT change

His Word is Eternal and DOES NOT change

God the Father is Eternal and DOES NOT change

James 1:17 Whatever is good and perfect comes down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.

Seems pretty simple

Ok, we agree that there are opposing spirits.

A tool that God gives a believer is discernment. Spiritual discernment equips us to believe in God in a way that is consistent with his revelation of himself. It equip us to know him rightly so that we might serve him rightly. It allows us to examine any doctrine or any teaching and to separate what is truth from what is error. We use the Word of God, the Bible, to guide us in this process. The discerning Christian will be the one who compares everything to Scripture, always seeking to know what is true about God.

Think about that, to believe in God in a way that is consistent with his revelation of himself. God has revealed himself to all believers through both the old and new testaments. His attributes, his judgement, his mercy, his grace. Are the writings found in the s&l consistent with how God has revealed himself in scripture?

You have a spirit telling you to hold on to what you have, what is it that you have? Special clothing? Special language? Condemnation of those outside the molokan faith? Faith in a second book that for the most part is contrary to how God has revealed himself?

I believe in prophecy, and the workings of Gods spirit, but we are taught to discern! The Apostle Paul writes in 1st Thessalonians chapter 5

20 Do not despise prophecies, 21 but test everything; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.

How do we know we are not being deceived unless we measure all things against scripture?

Where can you back up what is written in Revelation(')s?

100 years (or so) after Christ, this man goes to the "church's and tells them what Christ revealed.

How did they accept him? (Some of that stuff is pretty brutal)

How did they accept this new teaching? (There's beasts and whole lot of other stuff even "Christians" of today can't understand)

I sure he would be the scorn of this site if they had internet then.

Do you understand my point?

March 1, 2010

Funny,

When Jesus was on this earth he didn't concern himself with spiritual brides, or obsess about retribution to those who didn't follow his every command. In fact it would seem that Jesus spent most of his time in the service of others, whether teaching, healing, or even washing others feet. He did not insist on his own Glory, quite the opposite, he allowed himself to be degraded to a level far below what any of us (including Maxcim) have ever experienced, all so that his sacrifice for us could be perfect. Remember His Sacrifice For Us, not for himself, that is Love. Now contrast this with Maxcim, does it even seem like they serve the same God?

Those that died in the name of Christ where better of than what Maxim went through!

Did Maxim suffer 'cause it was the "in thing" or had nothing better to do?

To many wives? Just get out for the week end?

You guys are so deep in it you don't understand what you are saying!

If he was after the "glory" as you say, he was given the chance to rule with the "axmidet"

"No thanks I like my hole, and it's not for now but in the last times where I will deceive all those molokans"(?????????)

If he had the false spirit in him, would it not make sense for him to sell out and turn on all those "new Israelites" and

get rid of them then, squash the Spirit of God? Reestablish the raine of satan again?

Just think about that for awhile, PLEASE!

Of the topic abit but-

As Christ did works, you guys go out and "feed and wash feet" of those in the soup kitchens and slums(?).

What about the sick and widows, among the molokans, that would love some company?

Nobody visits them and they are happy to open doors to false teachers, just for company!

All this love that Jesus has put in your hearts is great! Now go and do some good!

If you did this, (Matt 25) as Christ instructed you will have no time to worry about what going on at the calvery (or any other) church!

So much concern, and emphasis is put on what mgr and our forefathers did. Will they be standing with you at the final judgement? Will mgr testify on your behalf?

Believers have someone to represent them, The Lord Jesus Christ! From 1st John ch 1

But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

An advocate! Someone who speaks on our behalf, Christ will testify on our behalf, He will place His seal on us! Will any of our predki be able to do that for us?

I can't count all the time in my life that i heard those exact words "hold on to what you have" It was not spoken by the Spirit of God, no! It was spoken from the fear of man! The fear of elders losing control. If all that you believe is true, why is there no growth in the molokan brotherhood?

I have asked this question many times, and have yet to get an answer. WHY AREN"T YOU PREACHING THIS NEW GOSPEL TO THE WHOLE WORLD?

March 2, 2010

I would like to think that Maxcim suffered because he was mentally ill, but I fear that it was because of the demons that possesed him, Satan didn't want Maxcim's soul by itself, he wanted the 1000's of souls that Maxcim deceived, if Maxcim turned on the "new israel" they would have found out the truth, but because the deception was continued many have been led astray. Maxcim was not in jail and suffering for the Molokans, he was in jail and suffering for his own needs and those of his master, Satan. Remember some people are in jail because they should be in jail.

When Paul was in jail, he was being persecuted for his belief in Christ, he did not write to the people back home asking for retribution on his "spiritual wives", didn't have any I guess he was too busy. He never asked for any Glory for himself, his focus was always and ever on Christ, he did not claim to rule anybody. When Christ was here did he seek Glory? Did he hang out with underage girls with much thrusting? It is perverse to even think that. Why was Maxcim so concerned with sexual issues, why did he insist on witnesses to new married couples consumations, if a witness was required wouldn't God be the only one who counted? Why a special salve to heal a wayward spiritual wife, when Jesus would have preached forgiveness? Why are such things completely absent from the testimony of Jesus Christ, in fact many things seem to be 180 degrees to Christ's teaching. Please consider if someone is teaching you a Gospel that is in any way in direct opposition to what Jesus Christ himself taught shoud you accept it? Jesus is calling, he wants you back.

KevinPolyaNazaroff · March 2, 2010

Of the topic abit but-
As Christ did works, you guys go out and "feed and wash feet" of those in the soup kitchens and slums(?).

What about the sick and widows, among the molokans, that would love some company?

Nobody visits them and they are happy to open doors to false teachers, just for company!

All this love that Jesus has put in your hearts is great! Now go and do some good!

If you did this, (Matt 25) as Christ instructed you will have no time to worry about what going on at the calvery (or any other) church!

Many on this site are "doing good" as God instructs them.

To whom and where at, that is all up to God.

I myself, can not dictate to God concerning His will.

It is His will and belongs to Him.

I am just a servant.

I am far from close to perfect.

I do find it difficult to manage my time without being selfish.

I find myself at times struggling with how much time I spend helping others outside my home and how much time I spend with my wife and kids.

But I do know this.

God has joined me to Himself and His church.

I will serve God in the molokan brotherhood, in Calvary, in Mexico, China, or Africa.

I want to be ready to do Gods will in whatever manner He sees fit.

Nad, did you "go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’" ?Mt 9:10-13 NKJV

The will of God is mercy.

15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Heb 4:15-16 NASB

Nad, I am beginning to get the feeling that you are a racist.

Is this true?

Do you favor one race over the another?

Kevin Nazaroff

seeking_truth_1 · March 2, 2010

Yes

I also taught a week or so ago and have the privledge of leading over 20 people to the Lord (By His Spirit...not my actions)

This weekend and next weekend too

When was the last time you ever shared the Gospel with ANYONE?

When was the last time you prayed with a homeless person?

When was the last time you personally fed the homeless?

When was the last time you personlly ministered to a "ne-nash"?

Have you ever done anything to evidence your "faith" or is it dead?

14 ¶ What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don't show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone?

15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing,

16 and you say, "Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well"—but then you don't give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?

17 So you see, faith by itself isn't enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.

18 Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." But I say, "How can you show me your faith if you don't have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds."

19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror.

20 How foolish! Can't you see that faith without good deeds is useless? (James 2:14-20)

Of the topic abit but-
As Christ did works, you guys go out and "feed and wash feet" of those in the soup kitchens and slums(?).

What about the sick and widows, among the molokans, that would love some company?

Nobody visits them and they are happy to open doors to false teachers, just for company!

All this love that Jesus has put in your hearts is great! Now go and do some good!

If you did this, (Matt 25) as Christ instructed you will have no time to worry about what going on at the calvery (or any other) church!

NAD923 · March 2, 2010

OK!

SO it was the like of you that walked past the poor man that was set upon by bandits.

His OWN people walked pasted him with the thoughts of-

Just a molokan.

That will teach him for believing in Maxim!

I got no time for this, I need to save some "bum"

God is telling me to ignore him, or give him grief!

That soup isn't going to pour it self!

ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys are like the pharisees, you are good at twisting words to suit yourself (do they teach you that at *****).

My POINT is go minister to/visit your OWN people!

Show those elders that you have Christ, and His true way in your hearts. Prove them WRONG!

Become that good Samaritan!

I'm not a racist (everybodyshouldhaveoneofeach!)(Oooooooooldjoke)

( :bigemo_harabe_net-24: This how I feel at the moment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

NAD923 · March 2, 2010

Yes

I also taught a week or so ago and have the privledge of leading over 20 people to the Lord (By His Spirit...not my actions)

This weekend and next weekend too

When was the last time you ever shared the Gospel with ANYONE?

When was the last time you prayed with a homeless person?

When was the last time you personally fed the homeless?

When was the last time you personlly ministered to a "ne-nash"?

Have you ever done anything to evidence your "faith" or is it dead?

14 ¶ What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don't show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone?

15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing,

16 and you say, "Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well"—but then you don't give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?

17 So you see, faith by itself isn't enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.

18 Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." But I say, "How can you show me your faith if you don't have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds."

19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror.

20 How foolish! Can't you see that faith without good deeds is useless? (James 2:14-20)

Of the topic abit but-
As Christ did works, you guys go out and "feed and wash feet" of those in the soup kitchens and slums(?).

What about the sick and widows, among the molokans, that would love some company?

Nobody visits them and they are happy to open doors to false teachers, just for company!

All this love that Jesus has put in your hearts is great! Now go and do some good!

If you did this, (Matt 25) as Christ instructed you will have no time to worry about what going on at the calvery (or any other) church!

When was the last time you visited the (molokan) old age home?

" " " " " " " a " widow?

" " " sick person?

" showed the love of Christ to one of your OWN?

If any of you say "Those homeless, Mexicans, Africans etc. ARE OUR OWN,

Then go in peace, for I know you NOT!

KevinPolyaNazaroff · March 2, 2010

If any of you say "Those homeless, Mexicans, Africans etc. ARE OUR OWN,
Then go in peace, for I know you NOT!

NAD,

I do say the homeless, Mexicans, Africans etc are indeed "our own".

If they are a christian, they are in the same family as myself.

I also love many in the molokan brotherhood and would help even my "enemy" if the opportunity arrives.

If they are a christian, they are in the same family as myself.

I will let God choose with whom I am to associate with.

So are you cutting people off?

What if you see me with my mexican friend one day in Starbucks.

Would you sit with us and talk about God with us?

When you say "Go in peace, for I know you NOT!", are you serious?

Where would you want me to go?

I was looking forward to more dialog with you...

Kevin Nazaroff

KevinPolyaNazaroff · March 2, 2010

OK!

SO it was the like of you that walked past the poor man that was set upon by bandits.

His OWN people walked pasted him with the thoughts of-

Just a molokan.

That will teach him for believing in Maxim!

I got no time for this, I need to save some "bum"

God is telling me to ignore him, or give him grief!

That soup isn't going to pour it self!

ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys are like the pharisees, you are good at twisting words to suit yourself (do they teach you that at *****).

My POINT is go minister to/visit your OWN people!

Show those elders that you have Christ, and His true way in your hearts. Prove them WRONG!

Become that good Samaritan!

I'm not a racist (everybodyshouldhaveoneofeach!)(Oooooooooldjoke)

( This how I feel at the moment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

I am sorry you have a headache!

But what you are implying about us ignoring and leaving molokans laying hurt in the street is not true at all.

I understand that there are some who are disgruntled and angry with the molokan brotherhood.

I myself am very frustrated with what is going on.(Or not going on)

But most of the frustration is aimed toward the religion of molokanism, not the particular people within it.

Also, when the Holy Spirit is working with Pharisees, it is usually pretty brutal.

This includes molokan pharisees and non-molokan pharisees.

Gods discipline is not gentle.

It is tough and to the point.

We must differentiate between hate and "tough love".

Most of what I read on here and know of the members is a real concern for those who have put religion before Jesus.

I have real issues with the molokan brotherhood, but I can honestly say I do not hate or dislike not one molokan member.

I am sure I have offended some and have a lack of love for some, but I realize this and I continue to ask for the love of Jesus to fill me and work on any bitterness or anger that is in my heart.

Kevin Nazaroff

March 2, 2010

Nad, up to this point, we've had a good dialog. No one has lashed out at you, yet your anger/frustration is really beginning to show in your posts. Why do you think that is?

All we are asking you to do, is to search for yourself. Quit standing on what your elders, past and present have told you. I'm pretty sure that your old enough to have your own thoughts. I've said it in the past, don't believe us, and don't believe your elders. Go to the source for yourself. Search out the truth for yourself.

As for any charity that we may perform, i can only speak for myself. I believe in letting God direct my actions! I don't believe in making a public spectacle of the work that He directs me to do. Remember, scripture tells us not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

You made a comment about mgr turning on his followers. Mgr did what he allowed himself to be led to do! He deceived many, and continues to do so to this day!

At the end of days, where would you rather be, under the banner of the king of spirits, or under the grace, and mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ?

seeking_truth_1 · March 2, 2010

You are avoiding the real issue

When was the last time you did anything for anyone outside of molokanism

When was the last time to shared the Gospel with anyone?

Since God is Love and you supposedly have this "special knoweldge" or "corner on the market" so to speak, you should be leading the way on how to do things

Who is "one of my own"?

Aren't we all created in the image of God?

Aren't we ALL related to Noah?

If you are hung up on only serving those who can benefit you what good is that?

43 ¶ “You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy.

44 But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!

45 In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.

46 If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much.

47 If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that.

48 But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:43-48)

You say one thing but you actions invalidate your statements

The cult of molokanism has turned you into a racist

When was the last time you visited the (molokan) old age home?
" " " " " " " a " widow?

" " " sick person?

" showed the love of Christ to one of your OWN?

If any of you say "Those homeless, Mexicans, Africans etc. ARE OUR OWN,

Then go in peace, for I know you NOT!

seeking_truth_1 · March 2, 2010

I agree with you especially on this point

As for any charity that we may perform, i can only speak for myself. I believe in letting God direct my actions! I don't believe in making a public spectacle of the work that He directs me to do. Remember, scripture tells us not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

I apologize if I came across like "hey check me out"

I was asked "what do I do" and I responded and using the following as a guide

23 Let us hold tightly without wavering to the hope we affirm, for God can be trusted to keep his promise.

24 Let us think of ways to motivate one another to acts of love and good works.

25 And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near. (Hebrews 10:23-25)

Nad, up to this point, we've had a good dialog. No one has lashed out at you, yet your anger/frustration is really beginning to show in your posts. Why do you think that is?

All we are asking you to do, is to search for yourself. Quit standing on what your elders, past and present have told you. I'm pretty sure that your old enough to have your own thoughts. I've said it in the past, don't believe us, and don't believe your elders. Go to the source for yourself. Search out the truth for yourself.

As for any charity that we may perform, i can only speak for myself. I believe in letting God direct my actions! I don't believe in making a public spectacle of the work that He directs me to do. Remember, scripture tells us not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

You made a comment about mgr turning on his followers. Mgr did what he allowed himself to be led to do! He deceived many, and continues to do so to this day!

At the end of days, where would you rather be, under the banner of the king of spirits, or under the grace, and mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ?

little koshka · March 2, 2010

When was the last time you visited the (molokan) old age home?
" " " " " " " a " widow?

" " " sick person?

" showed the love of Christ to one of your OWN?

If any of you say "Those homeless, Mexicans, Africans etc. ARE OUR OWN,

Then go in peace, for I know you NOT!

Hi NAD,

You know, attempts have been made to "show the love of Christ to one of our OWN?".

I am making reference to the Molokan community when I say this.

There is a group you forgot to mention "the youth" who need it most..

Groups of Christian people young couples and not so young couples have offered this, but only have had the doors slammed in their faces by "elders and church and community leaders" telling them "NO, we can't do that because it's NOT OUR WAY..".

Not so long ago, there was a tragedy up north involving the deaths of a young man and young lady in an avoidable automobile accident.

A group of people wanted to put together a seminar and offer support to all of the young people at a certain location that everyone is familiar with.

This group of people (who were more than willing to give their time, effort, and resources to do this with the love of Christ in their hearts) were shut down.

They were flat out told "NO". Or was that NYET?

They were able to have the seminar at another location, someone who out of the goodness of their heart (a Christian) opened their home to the group and the youth who did attend the event.

Even more recent, a group of young couples wanted to do something with the youth at a certain location to offer a fun (cool) alternative social environment (at a certain location that everyone is familiar with) to the regular "parties" that we are all too familiar with. You know, the ones with underage drinking, smoking, and we all know what else.

Something like a youth group where the youth could hear the Gospel AND have fun doing cool stuff.

Guess what, these young couples who were more than willing to give their time, effort, and resources to do this with the love of Christ in their hearts were told "NO". Or was that NYET?

Why? Because, that's not "our way".

What is "our way" anyway?

More recent than that, a group up north was planning an event to do a fundraiser and general get together where people could have a nice bbq dinner and time for fellowship.

This group again approached the powers that be do have the event at that familiar location.

What do you think the answer was?

I suppose consistency can be considered a positive thing, however in this case we can call it status quo.

They were told "NO". Or was it NYET again?

How sad is that?

March 2, 2010

Hi NAD;

I don't normally post on this forum, but feel the desire to do so in response to your exhortation that certain people should be serving the "widows, orphans and elderly" in the Molokan community, as though they've been neglecting to do so in favor of of so-called "ne-nashee" (such an offensive term). As a widow, with two fatherless children, I have to assure you, from personal experience, that these gentlemen have indeed performed generous acts of kindness, generosity and service in various ways, not only for my family but also for others. They're not going to toot their own horns about this, so I will in their defense. They've also obediently and with great joy answered the Lord's call to do the same for whomever He has directed them to help. I think you owe them an apology on this issue, and your criticism of their actions of service is undeserved. The Bible calls that persecution - I'm sure you don't want to be held accountable for that. I hope your current frustration and questioning leads you into a rich discovery of the saving grace and freedom that God provides through Jesus Christ alone. I'm praying for you, old friend.

NAD923 · March 2, 2010

I'm not elevating myself over any body else!

We are born into molokanisim, we are given a set of rules to guide us (what we do with them is up to us).

Some are not happy with their lot and go out into the world to find Jesus.

The elders of today are no where near to what their fathers were.

And the next group is going to be a little further from the truth.

Someone said that they stopped the mixing in the 20's.

It was a judgment call at the time to stop the marrying out of the time, to save the "blood line".

Didn't God tell the Israelites "..to leave their taken wives and children and come back onto Him"?

("Taken"-ne-nash)

Johna was running from God and hid on a boat (he was on a boat with his own, against the law to go with ne-nash)

Why did they ask him to "...pray to YOUR God..."? didn't they have the same God?

What you guys are getting involved in, is much worse than the "lies" in the S&L or MGR's position in the scheme of things.

The flood that satan sent after the "woman clothed in the sun" (was that the sun god you are talking about? LOL!!!)

Is that water? Is that the filth of the world? ETC.

NO! It's the twisted words of Christ that the devil uses to deceive the weak and dejected

Why did Christ say "..When I return will I find any Faith?"

There are millions (billions even) of christians in the world. Why would He say that?

I have had my share of fellowship with "ne-nash", and most of them sound like you guys.

I have helped my "neighbours" in all sorts of problems, that is part of life.

Manners and respect (as Jesus teaches) to all of Gods creation.

Are we all made in Gods "image"? No, read Genesis again.

"God created man and woman and said go forth and multiply.."

Later God created Adam and blew into him a spirit (soul),

but it wasn't told for him to multiply. Eve was made as a helper not a mate.

Who was Cain afraid of?

Where did they come from?

Are all from Noah? No.

Was the whole earth flooded? Where did 3 (or about)mile deep water come from to cover the earth?

Where did it go?

Chinese have history that predates the flood.

What brother did they come from, if not?

Sodom had so much love that God found it offensive, they where mixing with everybody and everything, thus got destroyed.

Are you not doing the same sort of thing?

"...in the last days it will be better for the people of Sodom than you.."

You guys go by the 66 books of the bible, what about the other 6? Are they also lies and not relevant? Are they not the word of God?

Again how do back up ALL of Revelation(S) with the bible?

LK,

From what you said, it's not the help (or fellowship as you call it) that people did not what,

it's the form that you brought it in. "Not the molokan way" is a good way to put it.

Go visit a dydsa or totsya get your mind back around to their way of thinking, and if you do have

the guidance of God and the Spirit, you will know how to talk to them and share the words of Jesus!

I believe we are chosen of God for a higher purpose than we think, that is why I am "wasting" my time with you,

We all have a place in Gods plan, don't let the bright lights and false promises of the worldly christians sway you!

March 2, 2010

I apologize if I came across like "hey check me out"

No need to apologize, i wasn't singling you out. But thank you anyways!

March 2, 2010

I'm not elevating myself over any body else!

We are born into molokanisim, we are given a set of rules to guide us (what we do with them is up to us).

Some are not happy with their lot and go out into the world to find Jesus.

The elders of today are no where near to what their fathers were.

And the next group is going to be a little further from the truth.

Someone said that they stopped the mixing in the 20's.

It was a judgment call at the time to stop the marrying out of the time, to save the "blood line".

Didn't God tell the Israelites "..to leave their taken wives and children and come back onto Him"?

("Taken"-ne-nash)

Johna was running from God and hid on a boat (he was on a boat with his own, against the law to go with ne-nash)

Why did they ask him to "...pray to YOUR God..."? didn't they have the same God?

What you guys are getting involved in, is much worse than the "lies" in the S&L or MGR's position in the scheme of things.

The flood that satan sent after the "woman clothed in the sun" (was that the sun god you are talking about? LOL!!!)

Is that water? Is that the filth of the world? ETC.

NO! It's the twisted words of Christ that the devil uses to deceive the weak and dejected

Why did Christ say "..When I return will I find any Faith?"

There are millions (billions even) of christians in the world. Why would He say that?

I have had my share of fellowship with "ne-nash", and most of them sound like you guys.

I have helped my "neighbours" in all sorts of problems, that is part of life.

Manners and respect (as Jesus teaches) to all of Gods creation.

Are we all made in Gods "image"? No, read Genesis again.

"God created man and woman and said go forth and multiply.."

Later God created Adam and blew into him a spirit (soul),

but it wasn't told for him to multiply. Eve was made as a helper not a mate.

Who was Cain afraid of?

Where did they come from?

Are all from Noah? No.

Was the whole earth flooded? Where did 3 (or about)mile deep water come from to cover the earth?

Where did it go?

Chinese have history that predates the flood.

What brother did they come from, if not?

Sodom had so much love that God found it offensive, they where mixing with everybody and everything, thus got destroyed.

Are you not doing the same sort of thing?

"...in the last days it will be better for the people of Sodom than you.."

You guys go by the 66 books of the bible, what about the other 6? Are they also lies and not relevant? Are they not the word of God?

Again how do back up ALL of Revelation(S) with the bible?

LK,

From what you said, it's not the help (or fellowship as you call it) that people did not what,

it's the form that you brought it in. "Not the molokan way" is a good way to put it.

Go visit a dydsa or totsya get your mind back around to their way of thinking, and if you do have

the guidance of God and the Spirit, you will know how to talk to them and share the words of Jesus!

I believe we are chosen of God for a higher purpose than we think, that is why I am "wasting" my time with you,

We all have a place in Gods plan, don't let the bright lights and false promises of the worldly christians sway you!

Wow man! Can you throw out any more coined phrases? Have you ever owned a parrot? If you repeat the same words, and phrases over and over again, the parrot will start to mimick you. You are only mimicking the words and phrases that you have been taught your whole life!

You have a mind for pete's sakes! Dust it off and use it!

March 2, 2010

Let's see, the Bible has multiple flaws and is wrong about a lot of things, yet with our "Molokan Magic" we can quote the bible to prove our point and say it's accurate, and when somebody brings up something we don't like we can say that there is a translation error, or it was added later by an evil ecumenical council. God must have loved us a lot to have given Molokans super powers like that, how sad for the other Christians that Christ died for, that they don't get this spiritual juju.

Seriously, it is so common for people to think that wherever they are it is where they are supposed to be, no one wants to admit that they might have been wrong. Being an S&L based Molokan is like living in a brick house near the coast in a wild storm, the elders will point out that our house is made of brick and strong, we are blessed that God put us here, if you leave you will certainly be destroyed by the world outside. Then when you go down to the basement, you notice that the foundation of the house is made of crumbling mud bricks, and there is a storm surge coming, when you point this out to the elders, they get mad and tell you it is not our way to question the foundation.

You have to question and know your foundation first before you can judge the soundness of where you are today. Jesus Christ came down here to pour the foundation for us, when we reject his foundation and build our own, we have to realize only Jesus' foundation will see us throught the flood, the one that we built that we are so proud of will be washed away like so many others. Hopefully we will be in the house that Jesus built when that flood comes.

By the way, if you do make it to his house don't be surprised if you see black, mexican, or asian Christians inside with you, it's the Lord's house and he does the inviting, it's a little presumptuous to tell God who he can and cannot invite

stevepiv · March 3, 2010

The elders of today are no where near to what their fathers were.

And the next group is going to be a little further from the truth.

That's because the jesus that they believe in is not eternal.

The Jesus Christ that Christians Worship and Believe in, is the same yesterday, today and forever.

At least NAD is honest about the fate of "Molokanism", as time goes on, they will keep going further from the truth.

NAD, you are defending something that you admit is going away from the truth.

That doesn't have to be the fate if Molokans would come to Jesus Christ and lose: "lineage", "ceremonies", "language", "clothing", "S&L", "the Obryat", "wives-tales"... and consider them rubbish. And not having their own righteousness which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.

stevepiv · March 3, 2010

Here are a few quotes to share:

"The Pharisees were desperately determined to not break the laws of God. Consequently they devised a system to keep them from even coming close to angering God. They contrived a “fence” of Pharisaic rules that, if man would keep them, would guarantee a safe distance between himself and the laws of God… The “fence” or “hedge” laws accumulated into hundreds over the years and were passed around orally. Soon it became apparent that they were far from optional. These laws became every inch as important as the scriptural laws and in some instances far more crucial.

William Coleman

The Pharisees Guide to Total Holiness, Bethany House Publishers, 1977, p. 8-9."

"Legalism...is essentially any attempt to improve on what God has done for us by adding things that we do for Him... It is any attempt to earn approval from God with our imperfect actions, rather than accepting and being pleased with the approval that He freely offers us because Jesus has earned it for us with his perfect sacrifice. Legalism is always doomed to failure because we are imperfect and the God that we seek to impress is perfect. It robs us of peace and joy.

Mike Taylor

From Legalism to Grace, 2001."

"God saves us from the reductionism of such legalism which enshrines spirituality as a series of wooden laws and then says, “If you can do these six, sixteen or sixty-six things, you will godly.” Christianity, godliness, is far more than a checklist. Being “in Christ” is a relationship, and like all relationships it deserves disciplined maintenance, but never legalistic reductionism.

Kent Hughes

Disciplines of a Godly Man, Crossway Books, 1991, p. 215."

"It would appear that God does not know the best way of saving men, and men are so wise that they amend His methods! Is not this a refinement of blasphemy?

C.H. Spurgeon"

little koshka · March 3, 2010

Some are not happy with their lot and go out into the world to find Jesus.

The elders of today are no where near to what their fathers were.

And the next group is going to be a little further from the truth.

From what you said, it's not the help (or fellowship as you call it) that people did not what,

it's the form that you brought it in. "Not the molokan way" is a good way to put it.

Go visit a dydsa or totsya get your mind back around to their way of thinking, and if you do have

the guidance of God and the Spirit, you will know how to talk to them and share the words of Jesus!

I believe we are chosen of God for a higher purpose than we think, that is why I am "wasting" my time with you,

We all have a place in Gods plan, don't let the bright lights and false promises of the worldly christians sway you!

The form that was brought in?

The form was the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

The current form isn't working so well here in California, even in other areas.

I've said this before and I will say it again - the youth, the adults, the elders are starving spiritually.

They are starving at church, they are starving socially, they are starving at home.

It isn't working.

The focus on Jesus Christ is now on something or someone else.

There are too many people who are victims of alcohol abuse, substance abuse, spousal abuse, adultery, divorce, gambling, and the list goes on.

Is that working?

Yes, people are going elsewhere to find Jesus Christ, to learn His word, to fellowship.

What is the "Molokan way"?

And, why do people have to go elsewhere to find Jesus Christ?

Is it because He has been turned away too?

March 3, 2010

Some are not happy with their lot and go out into the world to find Jesus.

The elders of today are no where near to what their fathers were.

And the next group is going to be a little further from the truth.

From what you said, it's not the help (or fellowship as you call it) that people did not what,

it's the form that you brought it in. "Not the molokan way" is a good way to put it.

Go visit a dydsa or totsya get your mind back around to their way of thinking, and if you do have

the guidance of God and the Spirit, you will know how to talk to them and share the words of Jesus!

I believe we are chosen of God for a higher purpose than we think, that is why I am "wasting" my time with you,

We all have a place in Gods plan, don't let the bright lights and false promises of the worldly christians sway you!

The form that was brought in?

The form was the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

The current form isn't working so well here in California, even in other areas.

I've said this before and I will say it again - the youth, the adults, the elders are starving spiritually.

They are starving at church, they are starving socially, they are starving at home.

It isn't working.

The focus on Jesus Christ is now on something or someone else.

There are too many people who are victims of alcohol abuse, substance abuse, spousal abuse, adultery, divorce, gambling, and the list goes on.

Is that working?

Yes, people are going elsewhere to find Jesus Christ, to learn His word, to fellowship.

What is the "Molokan way"?

And, why do people have to go elsewhere to find Jesus Christ?

Is it because He has been turned away too?

You go girl!

NAD923 · March 3, 2010

Wow man! Can you throw out any more coined phrases? Have you ever owned a parrot? If you repeat the same words, and phrases over and over again, the parrot will start to mimick you. You are only mimicking the words and phrases that you have been taught your whole life!

You have a mind for pete's sakes! Dust it off and use it!

If you guys gave me a sraight answer once in a while...........!

seeking_truth_1 · March 3, 2010

Really...?

When was the last time you prayed with a "ne-nash"?

When was the last time you fed a "ne-nash"?

Get honest...You haven't

Why...? Because THEY ARE beneath you

NO ONE is born into anything and certainly not a religion (or in the case of molokanism ...a cult)

You will stand all by youself before the Lord someday and you're religion will not help you

Jesus is out in the world and not in the molokan "church"?

Have you ever given it a thought that is why people are leaving the cult of molokanism because Jesus is not there

I'm not elevating myself over any body else!

We are born into molokanisim, we are given a set of rules to guide us (what we do with them is up to us).

Some are not happy with their lot and go out into the world to find Jesus.

It was a judgement call to save what blood line?

Are you really that naive?

There are NO pure bread russians and no "sacred blood line" to preserve

Jesus wasn't russian

Paul wasn't russian

Peter wasn't russian

Jonah wasn't russian

Noah wasn't russian

The Bible was written entirely by and contains accounts entirely of NENASH

You supposedly accept the Bible yet you would not welcome the very same ethnicity of people who wrote the Bible into your cult of molokanism?

That's doesn't make any sense

The elders of today are no where near to what their fathers were.

And the next group is going to be a little further from the truth.

Someone said that they stopped the mixing in the 20's.

It was a judgment call at the time to stop the marrying out of the time, to save the "blood line".

No...God told the Jews (His chosen people) not to intermarry with pagans

What I can take away from your statement is molokans are "not pagans" and everyone else is

Not only are you a member of a cult but you're an elitist and you certainly view your group as "elevated" above those nasty old "nenash"

Didn't God tell the Israelites "..to leave their taken wives and children and come back onto Him"?
("Taken"-ne-nash)

Johna was running from God and hid on a boat (he was on a boat with his own, against the law to go with ne-nash)
Why did they ask him to "...pray to YOUR God..."? didn't they have the same God?

MGR claims to be the "new jewish messiah" and "king" of the "new israel"

He's attempting to replace Jesus as Lord over all

If he died asserting that, he's currently in Hell and certainly knows the truth now

Unfortunately it's too late for him but not for you

What you guys are getting involved in, is much worse than the "lies" in the S&L or MGR's position in the scheme of things.

The woman Clothed in the Sun is Israel not the "new israel"

The rest of your statement doesn't make any sense

The flood that satan sent after the "woman clothed in the sun" (was that the sun god you are talking about? LOL!!!)
Is that water? Is that the filth of the world? ETC.

NO! It's the twisted words of Christ that the devil uses to deceive the weak and dejected

Because He knows

Also I'm of the belief Jesus will return after the 70th week of ***** to establish the Millennial Kingdom

That will occur after the battle of Armegedden and God judgement being poured out

There will be a protected remnant but those who come to faith the majority will be killed for their faith

Why did Christ say "..When I return will I find any Faith?"
There are millions (billions even) of christians in the world. Why would He say that?

Share of fellowship?

Was fellowship bad?

How did you fellowship?

What did you talk about?

We're they Chrsitians?

That's probably why they sound like "us guys"

Manners and respect?

Not to those advocating another way

Read Matthew 23 or

19 Cling to your faith in Christ, and keep your conscience clear. For some people have deliberately violated their consciences; as a result, their faith has been shipwrecked.

20 Hymenaeus and Alexander are two examples. I threw them out and handed them over to Satan so they might learn not to blaspheme God. (1 Timothy 1:19-20)

Doesn't sound too "respectful" yet it's honest

Disrespect would be to lie to someone and tell them what they want to hear

I'll be respectful and continue to tell you in no uncertain terms that you're Biblically wrong in your doctrine

Maybe because they were liars

I have had my share of fellowship with "ne-nash", and most of them sound like you guys.
I have helped my "neighbours" in all sorts of problems, that is part of life.

Manners and respect (as Jesus teaches) to all of Gods creation.

Haven't you read

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Genesis 1:27)

Are we all made in Gods "image"? No, read Genesis again.
"God created man and woman and said go forth and multiply.."

Later God created Adam and blew into him a spirit (soul),

but it wasn't told for him to multiply. Eve was made as a helper not a mate.

You really should open up a Bible and check out who is from where

Are you saying the Chinese aren't from Adam?

There was only ONE ark

Unless you deny the Biblical account

Who was Cain afraid of?
Where did they come from?

Are all from Noah? No.

Was the whole earth flooded? Where did 3 (or about)mile deep water come from to cover the earth?

Where did it go?

Chinese have history that predates the flood.

What brother did they come from, if not?

Doing what sort of thing?

Engaging in homosexual activity?

You're really reaching aren't you?

Sodom had so much love that God found it offensive, they where mixing with everybody and everything, thus got destroyed.
Are you not doing the same sort of thing?

"...in the last days it will be better for the people of Sodom than you.."

You guys go by the 66 books of the bible, what about the other 6? Are they also lies and not relevant? Are they not the word of God?
Again how do back up ALL of Revelation(S) with the bible?

LK,
From what you said, it's not the help (or fellowship as you call it) that people did not what,

it's the form that you brought it in. "Not the molokan way" is a good way to put it.

Go visit a dydsa or totsya get your mind back around to their way of thinking, and if you do have

the guidance of God and the Spirit, you will know how to talk to them and share the words of Jesus!

I believe we are chosen of God for a higher purpose than we think, that is why I am "wasting" my time with you,

We all have a place in Gods plan, don't let the bright lights and false promises of the worldly christians sway you!

March 3, 2010

Wow man! Can you throw out any more coined phrases? Have you ever owned a parrot? If you repeat the same words, and phrases over and over again, the parrot will start to mimick you. You are only mimicking the words and phrases that you have been taught your whole life!

You have a mind for pete's sakes! Dust it off and use it!

If you guys gave me a sraight answer once in a while...........!

Are you serious??? Give 1 example where you were not given a straight answer. Yet you have been asked many questions, and other then mimicking your elders, have failed to answer! Or if there was an answer, it made absolutely no sense!

Answer for yourself what, and why you believe what you do, are you able to do that? Here is what Scripture instructs us to do! From 1st Peter ch 3

15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, 16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. 17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.

Nad, other than what you skazvitz, do you ever read and study scripture? From your answers, it wouldn't seem so. You preach racism, seperation, hatred. None of which has a place in a believers life!

Like i said early on, i won't go round and round with you. I was under the assumption that you were able to discuss these matters in an adult fasion, aparently i was wrong! Gods instruction to believers when it comes to people such as yourself is simple, and i will let someone wiser than myself explain it to you.

From the Expository files, by Jon W, Quinn

Jesus came not to be served, but to serve. He did that. His faithful disciples also assume the role of servant. They serve God, one another, and those who are lost, and those who are in need and distress. In this materialistic society where self-centeredness is the rule of the day, the Christian is taught to be gracious and compassionate.

Christians have God-given obligations to preach and teach the truth and to help those in need. We are told to be good neighbors, and this is illustrated in the parable of "The Good Samaritan" by a willingness to become involved. We must not take these responsibilities lightly (Romans 1:14; Galatians 6:10).

But, as is usually the case, there is another side to our responsibilities as servants. Sometimes Christians, in their eagerness to be compassionate and Christ-like, fail to recognize that God put limitations on this aspect of our discipleship. It is not always good stewardship to expend the time and energy to teach the truth or to render assistance to those apparently in need of such. In fact, sometimes to do so is poor stewardship and betrays our Lord's trust in us. While we do not want this fact to be used as an excuse to ignore our responsibilities to act, neither do we want to waste the things the Lord has entrusted to us, including our lives and ourselves.

The Principle: Casting Pearls Before Swine

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6).

Of course, these words of Jesus are allegorical. I doubt that any were literally casting pearls before swine. The meaning is pretty simple to figure out; "Do not persist in offering what is sacred or of value to those who have no appreciation for it, because your gift will not only become contaminated and be despised, your generous efforts could also be rebuffed and perhaps even openly attacked."

Nad, i have said all that i can, it is now up to the Lord to soften your heart!

stevepiv · March 3, 2010

The same guy who says this:

I'm not elevating myself over any body else!

Also says this in the same reply:

I believe we are chosen of God for a higher purpose than we think, that is why I am "wasting" my time with you,
We all have a place in Gods plan, don't let the bright lights and false promises of the worldly christians sway you!

NAD,

The religion of molokanism isn't helping you much. And, it can't.

Just because you claim Jesus as your Savior, it is evident through your testimony, He isn't THE LORD of your life.

Your lord is your religion, your rules, your tradition, your position in church...

NAD923 · March 3, 2010

The same guy who says this:

I'm not elevating myself over any body else!

Also says this in the same reply:

I believe we are chosen of God for a higher purpose than we think, that is why I am "wasting" my time with you,
We all have a place in Gods plan, don't let the bright lights and false promises of the worldly christians sway you!

NAD,

The religion of molokanism isn't helping you much. And, it can't.

Just because you claim Jesus as your Savior, it is evident through your testimony, He isn't THE LORD of your life.

Your lord is your religion, your rules, your tradition, your position in church...

Some body called me a racist, that's why I said that. Why? Because I don't "supshatsa" with ne-nash?

What am I doing here? Are you molokans?

I've tried every angle to understand where you guys are coming from, sorry no avail!

One day your Arthur the next Martha. S###########T I GIVE UP! :yak:

:89:

:127:

seeking_truth_1 · March 3, 2010

Well...

Your religion calls for you to be a racist

Aren't you a "good" molokan?

I don't see black molokans or asian molokans....however I have seen mexican molokans but they "pass" because they "look" white

That would explain these quotes from you

If any of you say "Those homeless, Mexicans, Africans etc. ARE OUR OWN, Then go in peace, for I know you NOT!

I'm not elevating myself over any body else!

By the way you NEVER answered or address anything I raised earlier

To recap

When was the last time you did anything for anyone outside of molokanism

When was the last time to shared the Gospel with anyone?

When was the last time you prayed with a homeless person?

When was the last time you personally fed the homeless?

When was the last time you personlly ministered to a "ne-nash"?

Have you ever done anything to evidence your "faith" or is it dead?

What do you do when a "prophet" tells you something that is contrary to the Bible?

Who are "our own" people?

Can you trace your lineage back past the point before russia existed?

Who were the russians before russia existed

What are you really...? A pure what...?

What "bloodline" are you trying to preserve?

Most importantly....

Who is Jesus according to the Bible?

How is Salvation secured?

Is the Bible the inerrant Word of God?

The same guy who says this:

I'm not elevating myself over any body else!

Also says this in the same reply:

I believe we are chosen of God for a higher purpose than we think, that is why I am "wasting" my time with you,
We all have a place in Gods plan, don't let the bright lights and false promises of the worldly christians sway you!

NAD,

The religion of molokanism isn't helping you much. And, it can't.

Just because you claim Jesus as your Savior, it is evident through your testimony, He isn't THE LORD of your life.

Your lord is your religion, your rules, your tradition, your position in church...

Some body called me a racist, that's why I said that. Why? Because I don't "supshatsa" with ne-nash?

What am I doing here? Are you molokans?

I've tried every angle to understand where you guys are coming from, sorry no avail!

One day your Arthur the next Martha. S###########T I GIVE UP!

seeking_truth_1 · March 3, 2010

By the way NAD Scripture states the following

But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And you will be my witnesses, telling people about me everywhere—in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." (Acts 1:8)

With all of your jumping that is supposed to be a "manfestation" of the Holy Spirit, what is the result of that "manfestation"

Are you doing what Acts 1:8 states?

Note the passage does not specify to "nash or ne-nash"

13 Now, who will want to harm you if you are eager to do good?

14 But even if you suffer for doing what is right, God will reward you for it. So don't worry or be afraid of their threats.

15 Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if someone asks about your Christian hope, always be ready to explain it. (1 Peter 3:13-15)

Can you explain your "faith" using the Bible and not what you've heard?

Scripture calls for your ability to do so

Note the passage does not specify to "nash or ne-nash"

Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you. (James 1:27)

When was the last time you cared for anyone else in a meaningful way outside molokanism

Note the passage does not specify "nash or ne-nash"

Where is the evidence of your "super-duper" Christianity?

Nick Shubin · March 3, 2010

The same guy who says this:

I'm not elevating myself over any body else!

Also says this in the same reply:

I believe we are chosen of God for a higher purpose than we think, that is why I am "wasting" my time with you,
We all have a place in Gods plan, don't let the bright lights and false promises of the worldly christians sway you!

NAD,

The religion of molokanism isn't helping you much. And, it can't.

Just because you claim Jesus as your Savior, it is evident through your testimony, He isn't THE LORD of your life.

Your lord is your religion, your rules, your tradition, your position in church...

Some body called me a racist, that's why I said that. Why? Because I don't "supshatsa" with ne-nash?

What am I doing here? Are you molokans?

I've tried every angle to understand where you guys are coming from, sorry no avail!

One day your Arthur the next Martha. S###########T I GIVE UP!

So, this is your attempt at an answer? I really expected more from you! It seems you may have grown older, but you have not matured.

anonymous · March 3, 2010

Because I don't "supshatsa" with ne-nash?

This is a classic example of hypocrisy: the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

Insisting on the Russian language being spoken during gatherings/sobranias when the ones insisting do not know the language themselves.

There is NO SUCH WORD in the Russian lexicon. This attempt at speaking Russian is a convolution of:

1) Сообщиться: to be communicated, communicate itself;

And,

2) Общаться: to associate (with); mix (with).

......like their "molokan faith" is a convolution (and perversion) of THE HOLY SCRIPTURES' definition of the one faith: faith in THE ONE TRUE TRIUNE GOD. Period.

NAD923 · March 3, 2010

The same guy who says this:

I'm not elevating myself over any body else!

Also says this in the same reply:

I believe we are chosen of God for a higher purpose than we think, that is why I am "wasting" my time with you,
We all have a place in Gods plan, don't let the bright lights and false promises of the worldly christians sway you!

NAD,

The religion of molokanism isn't helping you much. And, it can't.

Just because you claim Jesus as your Savior, it is evident through your testimony, He isn't THE LORD of your life.

Your lord is your religion, your rules, your tradition, your position in church...

Some body called me a racist, that's why I said that. Why? Because I don't "supshatsa" with ne-nash?

What am I doing here? Are you molokans?

I've tried every angle to understand where you guys are coming from, sorry no avail!

One day your Arthur the next Martha. S###########T I GIVE UP!

So, this is your attempt at an answer? I really expected more from you! It seems you may have grown older, but you have not matured.

"....when with babes speak like babes, when with MEN speak like a man!"

Nick do you know me? If yes mail me!

Nick Shubin · March 3, 2010

"....when with babes speak like babes, when with MEN speak like a man!"

Nick do you know me? If yes mail me!

Very profound...

Now, can you back up your faith, and what you believe in with sctipture? Or, are you going to go by what dyadz so and so told you?

Yes i knew you, are you sure you want me to e-mail you? You might get contaminated.

NAD923 · March 3, 2010

"....when with babes speak like babes, when with MEN speak like a man!"

Nick do you know me? If yes mail me!

Very profound...

Now, can you back up your faith, and what you believe in with sctipture? Or, are you going to go by what dyadz so and so told you?

Yes i knew you, are you sure you want me to e-mail you? You might get contaminated.

Somebody mentioned you yesterday, and today you pop up(?)

Amazing!

Put aside what you might have heard or think of me, I just wanted to know what has been going on in your life

for the last 20 years.

Yes mail me. I'm already contaminated!(not by you)

That last statement was not aimed directly at you!

Nick Shubin · March 4, 2010

"....when with babes speak like babes, when with MEN speak like a man!"

Nick do you know me? If yes mail me!

Very profound...

Now, can you back up your faith, and what you believe in with sctipture? Or, are you going to go by what dyadz so and so told you?

Yes i knew you, are you sure you want me to e-mail you? You might get contaminated.

Somebody mentioned you yesterday, and today you pop up(?)

Amazing!

Put aside what you might have heard or think of me, I just wanted to know what has been going on in your life

for the last 20 years.

Yes mail me. I'm already contaminated!(not by you)

That last statement was not aimed directly at you!

Nad, i have no pre-conceived notions about anyone. I'd like the chance to "catch up" with you, as it's been a long time. But i need an e-mail address for you. Maybe your sister can give it to me from facebook?

stevepiv · October 21, 2010

This here was a dialogue with NAD that exposes the truth of a true blue devotee of the Akhmet Ulia Maxim.

NAD's defense or "offense" with Christianity boiled down to His Racist belief, attack on God's Word, the Molokan's are more "special" line and a denial of Biblical truth in order to protect the "cult".

Edited October 21, 2010 by stevepiv

February 17, 2013

This conversation helped me realize that I needed to leave the Cult of Molokanism and not fear people like Pop & Mom, Dzetha & Babunya.

seeking_truth_1 · February 19, 2013

What changes has that caused you to make?

February 25, 2013

I am now regularly attending a Christian Church on Sunday, Wednesday and Thursday. Thursday is for Bible Study, while the other 2 are for Worship. It is amazing what stepping out of a cult and into the Arms of Jesus and His Church will do!

For those who are still attending a Molokan church, leave leave leave. There is nothing there for you and you need to quit thinking about being alone for the rest of your life without the Molokans. God will never leave His people alone, you will be blessed many times over with wonderful Christ Loving, God Fearing people.

Molokanism is a cult straight from the pit of hell!

February 25, 2013

How disappointed the khlyst church must have been, when the Bible was reintroduced and given reverence, with all its contradictions to Maxim's teachings.

I am now regularly attending a Christian Church on Sunday, Wednesday and Thursday. Thursday is for Bible Study, while the other 2 are for Worship. It is amazing what stepping out of a cult and into the Arms of Jesus and His Church will do!

For those who are still attending a Molokan church, leave leave leave. There is nothing there for you and you need to quit thinking about being alone for the rest of your life without the Molokans. God will never leave His people alone, you will be blessed many times over with wonderful Christ Loving, God Fearing people.

Molokanism is a cult straight from the pit of hell!

seeking_truth_1 · February 26, 2013

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seeking_truth_1 · February 26, 2013

I don't agree there was disappointment

Everything about the cult is clouded in spiritual mysticism and blindness

They (the cult leaders) can make it up as they go and as satan leads

They still live in sin and are under it's power

Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins.

²You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God.

³All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to God’s anger, just like everyone else.

(Ephesians 2:1-3)

I

February 26, 2013

These are the conditions in todays Khlyst Molokan churchs, then how do you explain all the church splits?........QUOTE-

I don't agree there was disappointment

Everything about the cult is clouded in spiritual mysticism and blindness

They (the cult leaders) can make it up as they go and as satan leads

They still live in sin and are under it's power

seeking_truth_1 · February 26, 2013

Simple to explain

If there is True repentance there would be an open door policy to everyone PLUS the extra book would not be there

Otherwise it's just political infighting

James 4

Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?

²You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask.

³You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

⁴Adulterers andadulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes
himself an enemy of God.

⁵Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

⁶But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”

stevepiv · April 22, 2013

These are the conditions in todays Khlyst Molokan churchs, then how do you explain all the church splits?........QUOTE-

I don't agree there was disappointment

Everything about the cult is clouded in spiritual mysticism and blindness

They (the cult leaders) can make it up as they go and as satan leads

They still live in sin and are under it's power

The Church splits and people moving from one Church to another is not because of Biblical doctrine. They aren't leaving the Cult behind and going to a place where Christ is proclaimed as THE ONLY WAY. They are leaving because of external issues that they are facing.

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