Mgr Is A Prophet ?

[ligonier 0]

Mitrovich and Somebody both brought this up, that Maxim is a prophet. Was he ?

 

What do you mean by prophet ? That he foretold of things to come ? Or that he preached the word of God ?

 

If he foretold of things to come, what things ? Are we still waiting for prophesy of his to fulfill ?

 

I am only familiar with one prophesy of his, and it didn't fulfill. The world didn't end in the 19th century, or something like that. Was this a mistake ?

 

Are the claims that he was a prophet correct, if a prophesy of his didn't fulfill ?

[steadfast 0]

Prophesies are to be in agreement with the Bible.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

"Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles,

2 and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’

3 do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul.

4 Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him.

5 The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

 

Let's see...mgr states that people are to praise (worship) him and he (mgr) is a God of the faithful

 

Book 9 Art. 15 Ver. 7

Therefore I, Maxim, am now called by His new name: King of Spirits and God of the faithful of all the lands

 

Book 9 Art. 15 Ver. 9

A new song we sing, a new song we sing; the King of Spirits we praise the King of Spirits we praise

 

Or how about

 

Bk. 10 Art. 5 Ver. 5-7

For truly I [M.G.R.] lie not, but speak all of this according to the Spirit. Concerning this ecumenical spirit of the people shouts in agreement with me in every place. "Gracious is the passing nineteenth century!" During it the Lord God Almighty will Himself before our eyes execute His judgement upon the harlot and the beast who bears her. Then He will establish for us upon the land that which Adam and Eve once had in Paradise

 

Yet the Bible states

 

Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its buds become tender and its leaves begin to sprout, you know without being told that summer is near.

33 Just so, when you see the events I’ve described beginning to happen, you can know his return is very near, right at the door.

34 I assure you, this generation will not pass from the scene before all these things take place.

35 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will remain forever.

36 "However, no one knows the day or the hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. (Matthew 24:32-36 NLT)

 

Jesus states that no one knows yet mgr says he does and mgr was wrong

 

Who is authoritative? Jesus or mgr?

 

I vote Jesus

 

more to follow

[Mitrovitch 0]

Seeking Truth 1

 

You again site to these references of 9:15:7-9 and 10:12:5-7 as if your interpretation is Gospel. You did not yet respond to the interpretation which I presented in the "Should We Allow Nesahe To Our Gatherings" thread, which directly shows that Maxim is not claiming to be YHVH or another god. The interpretation which I presented is also in alignment with the New Testament. If you read through that post, you will see how Maxim is a prophet.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Seeking Truth 1

 

You again site to these references of 9:15:7-9 and 10:12:5-7 as if your interpretation is Gospel. You did not yet respond to the interpretation which I presented in the "Should We Allow Nesahe To Our Gatherings" thread, which directly shows that Maxim is not claiming to be YHVH or another god. The interpretation which I presented is also in alignment with the New Testament. If you read through that post, you will see how Maxim is a prophet.

What did I miss?

 

I'm asking you about these before you and will not a;; not some dodge tacitc to draw attention away from what is here before you

 

Did mgr not say that paradise would not be re-established at the turn of the 1900's?

Did mgr not say that he is a god?

Did mgr not say that "we" praise (worship) him (mgr) in song?

 

These are simple questions with yes or no answers

 

These again are not my words but taken directly from the other book

 

You can answer, can't you?

[Disciple 0]

1) Did mgr not say that he is a god?

2) Did mgr not say that "we" praise (worship) him (mgr) in song?

1) Exodus 7:1 "And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." God here uses his very title, Eloyhim, for Moses. Was God making Moses Equal to himself? Was God making an object for Aaron or the Israelites to worship? Did God transform Moses into deity? No. He gave Moses his title so that Moses had the full authority of The Holy Spirit dwelling in him. Why would God do that? He says why in the next verse, that "Thou shalt speak all that I command thee:"

 

God chose Moses to be worthy to receive the full authority of God on high, that he received God's very title in order to appear before pharoah. In this way we understand that Maxim Gavrilovich receive the new name of Jesus Christ, that he would have the authority, and power to overcome his 20 years of imprisonment and the spiritual battles therein.

 

2) Praise is not the same as worship. Look it up in those Greek & Hebrew books you say you use. Better yet, let the bible define the words we use. See who it is proper to worship in the Bible (The Living God alone), and to whom it is proper to give praise (God and others). Are you picking up what I am laying down?

[seeking_truth_1 0]

1) Did mgr not say that he is a god?

2) Did mgr not say that "we" praise (worship) him (mgr) in song?

1) Exodus 7:1 "And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." God here uses his very title, Eloyhim, for Moses. Was God making Moses Equal to himself? Was God making an object for Aaron or the Israelites to worship? Did God transform Moses into deity? No. He gave Moses his title so that Moses had the full authority of The Holy Spirit dwelling in him. Why would God do that? He says why in the next verse, that "Thou shalt speak all that I command thee:"

 

God chose Moses to be worthy to receive the full authority of God on high, that he received God's very title in order to appear before pharoah. In this way we understand that Maxim Gavrilovich receive the new name of Jesus Christ, that he would have the authority, and power to overcome his 20 years of imprisonment and the spiritual battles therein.

 

2) Praise is not the same as worship. Look it up in those Greek & Hebrew books you say you use. Better yet, let the bible define the words we use. See who it is proper to worship in the Bible (The Living God alone), and to whom it is proper to give praise (God and others). Are you picking up what I am laying down?

Herein lies the problem with your assertion

 

To compare moses as a "god" versus mgr demanding worship as God are 2 different things

 

You'll need to look at the Hebrew to get the real meaning

 

"god" in the Exodus reference as in the John 10 reference by guest_somebody is not the same as God (YHVH)

 

There are 2 forms of the word from the original language

 

One being in the masculine form and the other in the feminine

 

The masculine form refers to God (YHVH) and the form in Exodus is in the feminine to indicate one who would be someone of influence such as a judge

 

You'll need to take an exigesic approach and not take preconceived notions about mgr being God and attempt to make it fit Scripture

[anakainosis 0]

Disciple, what does Maxim speak about in Book 10:8:7?

 

How do you interpret that verse?

 

[anakainosis 0]

Disciple, what does Maxim speak about in Book 10:8:7?

 

How do you interpret that verse?

 

(-Insert the sound of crickets here-)

[Disciple 0]

Disciple, what does Maxim speak about in Book 10:8:7?

How do you interpret that verse?

I don't have the whole book memorized, nor do I have one with me at work. Write out the chapter for me, or you can wait until I get to reading it.

[coffee 0]

Regarding:

 

I don't have the whole book memorized, nor do I have one with me at work. Write out the chapter for me, or you can wait until I get to reading it.

 

 

In all fairness, this is very understandable. Therefore, let us quote the passage in question:

 

I am called by this new name today and always, in heaven and on earth; For I am Yool'esar, the king Yoores, the new Jewish Messiah; And the Jew and all the tribes of the nations shall bow down to me. (Rudometkin has written this in the Spirit and Life book, Page 498, Book 10, Article 8, Verse 7.)

 

 

In Verse 4 preceding this, Rudometkin identified himself as the writer, when he described himself to his followers as I, your master who was sitting in chains of incarceration, in the Monastery prison of Suzdal.

 

From Disciple:

 

....we know that by what he wrote, Maxim Gavrilovich based everything on The Scriptures.  (Posted: Jan 10 2006, 07:52 A.M. - Did MGR Die....)

 

 

 

So, while the crickets patiently chirp away, maybe now an explantion can be given with regard to which version of the Bible one may find the concept of a "new Jewish Messiah", in addition to and other than the Lord Jesus Christ, to whom the Jews and all the tribes of the nations shall bow down to.

 

Hopefully now an explanation can be given as it applies to which version of the Bible where one may find God explaining about this "king" who is known by the name of "Yool'esar, the king Yoores", who refers to himself as I, your master, to whom all the tribes of the nations shall bow down to.

 

After all, as it has been stated by the knowledgeable Rudometkinite:

 

....Maxim Gavrilovich based everything on The Scriptures.

 

 

Back to the question that was asked by Anakainosis:

 

 

Disciple, what does Maxim speak about in Book 10:8:7?

 

How do you interpret that verse?

[Disciple 0]

O give thanks unto the LORD for he is good, for his mercy endureth forever!