Here We Go Again, More Jewish Holidays For Christi

[steadfast 0]

Here we go again! Another Jewish holiday "Sukkot-Feast of Tabernacles" being fulfilled by Christians?

 

I sincerely would like to invite the Christian Molokan readers to help me find the Bible chapters and verses confirming this is Gods will for Christians. Please no commentary just chapter and verse. I have not been successful in finding this on my own.

 

Russian Orthodox Molokans need not reply. Please do not include, because we always did it this way, or because Dseda said so!

[Nick Shubin 0]

Are you going to answer nicely, or are you going to act like an A-Hole like you are over at yahoo?!

[seeking_truth_1 0]

I sincerely would like to invite the Christian Molokan readers to help me find the Bible chapters and verses confirming this is Gods will for Christians. Please no commentary just chapter and verse. I have not been successful in finding this on my own. 

Are you looking for the command to observe this holiday as given in Leviticus?

 

"41 ˜You shall keep it as a feast to the LORD for seven days in the year. [it shall be] a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month.

42 ˜You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths,

43 ˜that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God.`"

44 So Moses declared to the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD." (Le 23:41-44 NKJV)

 

Honestly, my idea of observing a feast while boothing (camping) is shashlik after a great day of surfing/offroading

[anakainosis 0]

Honestly, my idea of observing a feast while boothing (camping) is shashlik after a great day of surfing/offroading

Yes! That is exactly what I was thinking. :

[steadfast 0]

Mr. Poops; I have read many posts from the Maximist Orthodox Molokans, their methods are usually the same. Initiate a lengthly discussion, frustrate to a point of error, expand upon an error genuine or not, disrupt, short circuit the entire process. This is why I ask for chapter and verse only. You show an unteachable or imature spirit (discerned not judged/condemned).

 

Your comment; Are you going to answer nicely, or are you going to act like an A-Hole like you are over at yahoo?!

My answer; Calling names must be your understanding of nice. You judged me and condemned/punish with name calling.

 

Maybe we all need prayer, don't we.

Steadfast

[steadfast 0]

I sincerely would like to invite the Christian Molokan readers to help me find the Bible chapters and verses confirming this is Gods will for Christians. Please no commentary just chapter and verse. I have not been successful in finding this on my own. 

Are you looking for the command to observe this holiday as given in Leviticus?

 

"41 ˜You shall keep it as a feast to the LORD for seven days in the year. [it shall be] a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month.

42 ˜You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths,

43 ˜that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God.`"

44 So Moses declared to the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD." (Le 23:41-44 NKJV)

 

Honestly, my idea of observing a feast while boothing (camping) is shashlik after a great day of surfing/offroading

 

 

 

Are you looking for the command to observe this holiday as given in Leviticus?

Yes, but spoken to the ones that accepted Jesus. Steadfast

[Prophet 0]

All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths,

 

This statement certainly applies to Jews.

[ligonier 0]

Just thought I'd bring up this topic from last year, since it's that time of year again.

 

Why is it that some of us Molokans commerate/celebrate this holiday ?

 

I'm looking for the real/true reason for the holiday, not just for the fact of fellowship-singing songs-hearing prayers and speeches. Not that those reasons are bad, but we could get together anytime and do those same things. What's so special about gathering during this particular time of the year, every year.

 

And yes, I said some of us Molokans. Since most work through the week anyway and make no true effort to attend.

[Mitrovitch 0]

Steadfast -

If I showed you sciptures, would it make any difference? Would you begin to bleieve that God did not change his mind, but that which was from the beginning is until now?

 

And then, are you looking for holidays which Jesus celebrated or of those who claim to have accepted Jesus or of the holidays sanctioned by the unholy Ecumenical Council?

[anakainosis 0]

Steadfast -

If I showed you sciptures, would it make any difference? Would you begin to bleieve that God did not change his mind, but that which was from the beginning is until now?

 

And then, are you looking for holidays which Jesus celebrated or of those who claim to have accepted Jesus or of the holidays sanctioned by the unholy Ecumenical Council?

Just post them anyway! Others are curious….

 

 

Oh, and the Pope said hello! ;)

[ligonier 0]

Mitrovich, I though my question was clear.

 

How about this; Why do you celebrate the Kusha holiday(s) ?

 

And just to clarify, steadfast asked this question last year, ligonier is asking this year. Since I didn't see any real answer from last year.

[Prophet 0]

The Feast of Tabernacles commemorates the time when Israel traveled in the wilderness as God led them. They lived in booths or temporary dwellings.

During this time God lived with the people in His own Tabernacle. He also provided a cloud of covering that shaded the people by day and warmed them by night.

 

All the festivals point to a historical, typical and prophetic role. Jesus, His apostles and the early New Testament Church never observed Christmas or Easter. But they did observe the Feast of Tabernacles, a biblical festival that celebrates Christ's coming reign over the earth. In fact, when He returns, all nations will observe this festival (Zechariah 14:16-19).

 

Its interesting that most Christians do not commemorate this feast, instead have created an alternative festival called Halloween.

[ligonier 0]

Thank you Prophet. I appreciate your answer, and the verses you chose to include. I don't necessarily agree with your commentary, but what else is new.

 

I disagree though with your last sentence completely. The Catholic church may have tried to steer people away from a pagan celebration by creating an "all saints day" with "all hallows eve" the night before. But, most Christian churches do not participate in Halloween. Many attempt to steer people away from Halloween by having an "alternative night", but from what I've seen that seems to be a anti-costume, pro-Christ occasion.

[Prophet 0]

It just perplexes me as to how so many proclaim to be God fearing Christians and yet totally ignore His command to observe the feasts.

[sadichka 0]

Deuteronomy 16: 10-15

10 And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the LORD thy God, according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 11 And thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are among you, in the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to place his name there. 12 And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt: and thou shalt observe and do these statutes. 13 Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine: 14 And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates. 15 Seven days shalt thou keep a solemn feast unto the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD shall choose: because the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all thine increase, and in all the works of thine hands, therefore thou shalt surely rejoice.

 

There are three yearly feasts that the Lord has commanded us to observe. They are: Passover, the day of Pentecost and the Feast of the Tabernacles.

. “Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary on the Whole Bible” states: If those who were under the law must rejoice before God, much more we that are under the grace of the gospel .

The willingness of the Lord’s sacrifice is important to remember. We are to offer a tribute …a freewill offering of our own hand. In this manner we shall rejoice before the Lord. It is a statute that we are to honor forever. Why?

 

When we rejoice in the Lord, we are honoring and worshipping Him. When we rejoice among our brethren, we likewise are sharing among the blessings that He promised to send. We are told to help and rejoice with others. “Where there are two or more gathered in My Name there will I be.” It brings Him joy to know that we willingly choose to revere Him in all His glory and bring the best offerings that we have. This reverence is because He led the Israelites through the desert and met their needs by feeding them with heavenly Manna and quail.

 

For the believer in this day and age The Feast of the Tabernacles represents the Lord, Jesus Christ who is leading us out of bondage from the barren region of transgression and bringing us into righteousness through His sacrifice: the saving blood of the Lamb. He feeds us the Gospel, the heavenly bread of life. He quenches our thirst with the Holy Spirit. The offering most precious to God is when we offer ourselves. When we give up our own desires and admit our need for Him, He is pleased.

 

Sada

[ligonier 0]

But wasn't God's command to observe the feasts, to the Israelites ?

 

I am not an Israelite, what is my motivation ?

 

 

 

After reading Hebrews chapter 10, I can't understand how I can bring any type of "offering" before God. Jesus Christ was the final offering, after that, all we can do is worship.

 

"......., we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:10

 

"because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy" Hebrews 10:14

 

"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left," Hebrews 10:26

 

Unless I'm not understanding what you are saying by "tribute...a freewill offering"

[sadichka 0]

"tribute...a freewill offering"

 

10 And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand

 

The word 'tribute' in Hebrew:

Miccah (phonetic spelling: mis-saw) noun

1.sufficient, sufficiency

a.sufficiency, enough

b.full amount or proportion (affordable)

 

the word 'offering' in Hebrew:

N####dabah (phonetic spelling: ned-aw-baw')

1.voluntariness, free-will offering

a.voluntariness

b.freewill, voluntary, offering

 

The freewill offering represents the perfect gift that the Lord gave to us. We are to recognize this. The Lord’s gift of grace through the sacrifice of His Son was sufficient, yes, it was enough.

 

No, you are not an Israelite. However, the Lord requires all of those that are ‘adopted’ (Gentiles) into the fold of Christ to take action. The action is to believe or not. To accept the gift of Salvation or not. The action of doing the will of God or not. The action of openly praising Him for His mercy or not. Simple. Yes or No. The choice of maybe is not offered.

 

...all we can do is worship.

 

Such a strong statement. God states that He is a jealous God. He wants us to have a relationship with Him because He knew lonliness (which is the reason that he created Eve for Adam. He knew Adam’s lonliness) He desires our attention and all that we have to offer, which is ourselves, our time and attention. When we 'offer' or 'present' ourselves to Him, He will use us for the purpose that pleases Him.

 

Also, it is important to keep his statutes because He is the creator of all things. Just as a child ask his parents “Why do I have to pray to God, cause’ I don’t see Him?” , in which we reply, “Because I said so and He does exist.” We as adults question the reasons that God has for His statutes. In which God has answered, “Because I said so and I do love you, remember I sent my only Son for you!” It is either enough of an answer or not.

 

Ps 29:2

Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name; worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness.

 

Sada

 

ps...hope it makes more sense.

[fourvetta 0]

It just perplexes me as to how so many proclaim to be God fearing Christians and yet totally ignore His command to observe the feasts.

 

And yes, I said some of us Molokans. Since most work through the week anyway and make no true effort to attend.

 

Zechariah

 

14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 

Isaiah

 

66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh

 

All nations, even the heathen and the Egyptian, shall come to worship the Lord on every Sabbath.

 

I guess the Christian won't?

 

I liked Prophets explaination of why we honor the feast of tabernacles.

 

In the middle of the wilderness was the promised land.

 

Just as the Tree of Life was in the middle of the garden of Eden.

[steadfast 0]

FOR THE OLD TESTAMENT BELIEVER Ex 19:3-5 Then Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain and said, "This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel : 4' You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself . 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession.

 

FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT BELIEVER Heb 8:7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant , no place would have been sought for another 8 But God found fault with the people and said: "The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah . 9 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.

 

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

 

Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

 

Gal 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery

 

Gal 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

 

Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

 

Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law , that I might live unto God.

 

1 Cor 5:7 …..for Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

 

Gal 4:10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

Col 2:16-17 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon ( Mosaic Holidays) celebration or a Sabbath day.

 

17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

 

(Reality is not found in fulfillment of ANY ceremonial holiday!)

Edited October 14, 2005 by steadfast

[anakainosis 0]

FOR THE OLD TESTAMENT BELIEVER Ex 19:3-5 Then Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain and said, "This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel : 4' You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself . 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant (includes the Mosaic Holidays), then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession.

 

FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT BELIEVER Heb 8:7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant , no place would have been sought for another 8 But God found fault with the people and said: "The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah . 9 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.

 

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

 

Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

 

Gal 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery

 

Gal 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

 

Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

 

Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law , that I might live unto God.

 

1 Cor 5:7 …..for Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

 

Gal 4:10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

Col 2:16-17 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon ( Mosaic Holidays) celebration or a Sabbath day.

 

17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

 

(Reality is not found in fulfillment of ANY ceremonial holiday!)

I agree! ;)

 

 

 

 

 

[Prophet 0]

We need to understand that what was done away with in regard to the Holy Days was the animal sacrifices, not the days themselves.

 

Circumcision, for example, was a covenant between God and the seed of Abraham for all generations. Today, this act in its physical form, is no longer required. Paul however taught that the circumcision of the heart is necessary.

 

Old Israel was unable to keep Gods law, it was not the fault of the Covenant, it was with the people.

 

In the New Covenant the Holy Spirit gives the ability not only to keep the letter of the Law but also the spirit of the Law. Thus becoming New (spiritual) Israel.

 

I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people" (Jeremiah 31:33, II Corinthians 3:3).

 

God commanded Israel to keep His statutes, ordnances and feasts "forever in your generations." Many would say the law ended at the cross. If that were the case then the Sabbath and the rest of God's laws do not have to be observed.

 

Since the New Testament church saw it necessary to observe them so should we.

[dhshubin 0]

i will not be reading any posts or posting any messages or responses until after God's holiday, The Feast of the Tabernacles.

 

save your bashing until then

[Nick Shubin 0]

i will not be reading any posts or posting any messages or responses until after God's holiday, The Feast of the Tabernacles.

 

save your bashing until then

Why did you even waste bandwidth to give us that message?

 

Ok everyone, no more discussing matters of faith untill dan returns

[ligonier 0]

"This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come;" (Leviticus 23:...41..."

 

"If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root," (Romans 11:17)

 

Could it be understood that by partaking in the feast days, I could "share in the nourishing sap" of the heritage of Isreal ? Since, by adoption, believers in Christ become part of Isreal, are we part of teh "generations to come" ?

 

 

Sadichka, thank you for your clarification. The use of the word offering was throwing me off, since I know so many who use the word offering interchangeably with the word sacrifice. You are saying that we are to come to church in a completely worshipful state. Or to come before the Lord, complete stripped of ourselves, all for Him.

[Prophet 0]

"This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come;" (Leviticus 23:...41..."

 

"If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,"  (Romans 11:17)

 

Could it be understood that by partaking in the feast days, I could "share in the nourishing sap" of the heritage of Isreal ? Since, by adoption, believers in Christ become part of Isreal, are we part of teh "generations to come" ?

 

 

Sadichka, thank you for your clarification. The use of the word offering was throwing me off, since I know so many who use the word offering interchangeably with the word sacrifice. You are saying that we are to come to church in a completely worshipful state. Or to come before the Lord, complete stripped of ourselves, all for Him.

Could it be understood that by partaking in the feast days, I could "share in the nourishing sap" of the heritage of Israel ?

 

Isai 56:6 (ASV) Also the foreigners that join themselves to Yahweh, to minister unto him, and to love the name of Yahweh, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from profaning it, and holdeth fast my covenant;

even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt-offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

 

Since we are grafted in, we submit ourselves through obedience to our Redeemer.

Since we are all children of Abraham through faith, and being grafted in, we cannot say that "the commandments were only for Israel and since I'm not Jew I don't have to adhere to His Laws."

 

The nourishing sap is the Word of God which gives life to the whole tree, whether the branches are natural or grafted in. By being a part of God's family, observing the feasts is like icing on a cake, and the good stuff is still to come.

 

Since, by adoption, believers in Christ become part of Israel, are we part of the "generations to come" ?

 

Based on the above verse is Isa 56, I would say so.

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Interesting they wouldn't answer you either

 

 

 

Mitrovich, I though my question was clear.

 

How about this; Why do you celebrate the Kusha holiday(s) ?

 

And just to clarify, steadfast asked this question last year, ligonier is asking this year. Since I didn't see any real answer from last year.

[lastinline 0]

Is it possible that danny-boy tried to travel to Oregon and is now in solitary confinement?

 

lastinline (& free to travel the world)

 

i will not be reading any posts or posting any messages or responses until after God's holiday, The Feast of the Tabernacles.

 

save your bashing until then

Why did you even waste bandwidth to give us that message?

 

Ok everyone, no more discussing matters of faith untill dan returns

[seeking_truth_1 0]

Does is matter?

You need to pray for those who are so lost and are going so far as to work against (in futility) God's Word

[Guest what guest?]

I see last still has that "molokanizum" in him. As we all know molokans are nortoroius for spreading gossip.

 

Ataboy last, very constructive post.

 

You must be really, really bored.

 

 

 

Is it possible that danny-boy tied to travel to Oregon and is now in solitary confinement?

 

lastinline (& free to travel the world)

 

i will not be reading any posts or posting any messages or responses until after God's holiday, The Feast of the Tabernacles.

 

save your bashing until then

Why did you even waste bandwidth to give us that message?

 

Ok everyone, no more discussing matters of faith untill dan returns

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

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[Guest BibleStudent]

The celebration of Passover in the light of the New Covenant this coming week is an obligation for every Christian according to the NT.

 

Matt 26:19 And the disciples did as Jesus directed them and they prepared the Passover.

I Cor 11:24 Do this in remembrance of me.

 

The Jews of the Old Covenant celebrated Passover as a memorial of the exodus from Egypt, the Christians of the New Covenant celebrate Passover as a memorial of our exodus from sin.

 

1 Cor 5:7-8 For Christ our Paschal lamb has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival: not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

All denominations have their method of celebration, which is to each as they interpret Christs words of the meal specific. Molokans celebrate it in the manner inherited from our Russian forefather and our tradition also.

 

So the celebration of Passover in the light of the New Covenant this coming week is an obligation for every Christian.

 

 

 

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[seeking_truth_1 0]

There is an "obligation for every Christian" to celebrate "passover"

 

Really...?

 

21 ¶ Then Moses called for the leaders of Israel and said, "Tell each of your families to slaughter the lamb they have set apart for the Passover.

22 Drain each lamb’s blood into a basin. Then take a cluster of hyssop branches and dip it into the lamb’s blood. Strike the hyssop against the top and sides of the doorframe, staining it with the blood. And remember, no one is allowed to leave the house until morning. (Exodus 12:21-22)

 

Where are the animal sacrifices?

 

"You must not offer bread made with yeast as a sacrifice to me. And none of the meat of the Passover lamb may be kept over until the following morning.

(Exodus 34:25)

 

Yet paska contains leven (yeast)

 

11 They must offer the Passover sacrifice one month later, at twilight on the appointed day. They must eat the lamb at that time with bitter herbs and bread made without yeast.

12 They must not leave any of the lamb until the next morning, and they must not break any of its bones. They must follow all the normal regulations concerning the Passover. (Numbers 9:11-12)

 

Where are the bitter herbs?

 

Seems to me your traditions are worthless and in direct violation of Scripture

[Guest BibleStudent]

Please re-read my post. Jesus is the Passover lamb. The bread - whether with yeast or without - is symbolic, no longer literal.

 

The Passover observance command of both apostle Paul and Jesus son of God is still valid, but in the light of the New Covenant.

 

Every congregation has its traditions.

 

Col 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

 

Happy Passover holy-days, everybody.

 

 

 

There is an "obligation for every Christian" to celebrate "passover"

 

Really...?

 

21 ¶ Then Moses called for the leaders of Israel and said, "Tell each of your families to slaughter the lamb they have set apart for the Passover.

22 Drain each lamb’s blood into a basin. Then take a cluster of hyssop branches and dip it into the lamb’s blood. Strike the hyssop against the top and sides of the doorframe, staining it with the blood. And remember, no one is allowed to leave the house until morning. (Exodus 12:21-22)

 

Where are the animal sacrifices?

 

"You must not offer bread made with yeast as a sacrifice to me. And none of the meat of the Passover lamb may be kept over until the following morning.

(Exodus 34:25)

 

Yet paska contains leven (yeast)

 

11 They must offer the Passover sacrifice one month later, at twilight on the appointed day. They must eat the lamb at that time with bitter herbs and bread made without yeast.

12 They must not leave any of the lamb until the next morning, and they must not break any of its bones. They must follow all the normal regulations concerning the Passover. (Numbers 9:11-12)

 

Where are the bitter herbs?

 

Seems to me your traditions are worthless and in direct violation of Scripture

 

[seeking_truth_1 0]

It's not passover

 

It's even in your own publications

 

Here's the direct quote from "Christian Molokan Holidays" (pg. 13) regarding paska

 

"In the early Christian molokan church, such as we have today, the service was a communion service"

 

 

Seeing as Paska IS Communion, who are molokans communing with and for what purpose?

 

Here's a hint (much to the chagrin of those who deny Jesus as the Only Way)

 

"14 Then at the proper time Jesus and the twelve apostles sat down together at the table.

15 Jesus said, "I have looked forward to this hour with deep longing, anxious to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering begins.

16 For I tell you now that I won't eat it again until it comes to fulfillment in the Kingdom of God."

17 Then he took a cup of wine, and when he had given thanks for it, he said, "Take this and share it among yourselves.

18 For I will not drink wine again until the Kingdom of God has come."

19 Then he took a loaf of bread; and when he had thanked God for it, he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "This is my body, given for you. Do this in remembrance of me."

20 After supper he took another cup of wine and said, "This wine is the token of God`s new covenant to save you as an agreement sealed with the blood I will pour out for you.

(Luke 22:14-20 NLT)

 

 

"26As they were eating, Jesus took a loaf of bread and asked God`s blessing on it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take it and eat it, for this is my body."

27 And he took a cup of wine and gave thanks to God for it. He gave it to them and said, "Each of you drink from it,

28 for this is my blood, which seals the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out to forgive the sins of many.

29 Mark my words "I will not drink wine again until the day I drink it new with you in my Father`s Kingdom."

30 Then they sang a hymn and went out to the Mount of Olives." (Matthew 26:26-30 NLT)

 

Interesting that molokans do not have the cup as required by Jesus which is symbolic of His Blood that is spilled for the sins of many

 

I guess that's because group 2 & 3 molokans aren't under His Blood therefore there's no need for a cup (so they think)

[Guest BibleStudent]

Interesting that molokans do not have the cup as required by Jesus which is symbolic of His Blood that is spilled for the sins of many

 

I guess that's because group 2 & 3 molokans aren't under His Blood therefore there's no need for a cup (so they think)

 

Matt 26:29 I tell you I shall not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fathers kingdom.

 

So what is the new wine that we are to drink with Jesus in his kingdom?

 

Acts 2:13 But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.

 

These people were ridiculing the 120 filled with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues, but in reality, what they said was the fulfillment of Jesus Passover words. We today also drink the new wine from heaven.

 

 

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It would appear our "bible" "student" has nothing

 

They will ignore their obvious mis-handling of Scripture but waste time talking about the meaning of Orloff in an attempt to "spiritualize" all of the writings of mgr

 

That still does not address their credibility

 

Remember "If you cannot explain your misapplication of Acts 10 how can anyone take you seriously anywhere else?"

 

The "orloff post" just proves my point

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[Guest Guest]

Interesting that molokans do not have the cup as required by Jesus which is symbolic of His Blood that is spilled for the sins of many

 

I guess that's because group 2 & 3 molokans aren't under His Blood therefore there's no need for a cup (so they think)

 

Matt 26:29 I tell you I shall not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fathers kingdom.

 

So what is the new wine that we are to drink with Jesus in his kingdom?

 

Acts 2:13 But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.

 

These people were ridiculing the 120 filled with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues, but in reality, what they said was the fulfillment of Jesus Passover words. We today also drink the new wine from heaven.

 

 

But Seeking.... Bible student DID in fact answer the various questions and in my humble opinion did so with respect and sincerity and accuracy.

 

You however are still finding fault with reason,

It would appear our "bible" "student" has nothing

 

They will ignore their obvious mis-handling of Scripture but waste time talking about the meaning of Orloff in an attempt to "spiritualize" all of the writings of mgr

 

That still does not address their credibility

 

Remember "If you cannot explain your misapplication of Acts 10 how can anyone take you seriously anywhere else?"

 

The "orloff post" just proves my point

 

What is your problem? Why do you incessantly along with your fellow members here continuously harass each other? you are all an embarrassment to all who visit this site!

 

You are convicting yourselves... You are the one "misapplicating" the whole of scripture to the benefit of your unhappiness and disillusionment. Perhaps you should actually study the word of God rather than attempt creating something new out of something old?

 

I do not speak these words to offend you but rather to attempt a slight admonishment unto righteousness unto all who are seeking...

 

 

1Tim.6

 

[1] Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

[2] And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.

[3] If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

[4] He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

[5] Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

[6] But godliness with contentment is great gain.

[7] For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

[8] And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

[9] But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

[10] For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

[11] But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

[12] Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

[13] I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

[14] That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

[15] Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

[16] Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

[17] Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

[18] That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

[19] Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

[20] O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

[21] Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.