seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted October 25, 2004 We are not saying that MGR is Christ in this text, but He is the white horse upon whom Christ sits. Now he, forvetta, does not mean figuratively, but literally (screwy , yet true) He also states there isn't any rapture (ala 1Thes 4) If we back up a verses in Revelation 19 to verse 7 we see the following "7 "Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready." 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. (Re 19:7-8 NKJV) Who is the wife? "She" will be arrayed in fine linen "Her" garments are the righteous acts of the saints Well that indicates that the one wearing the garments must be the saints themselves Therefore the "wife" a.k.a. bride are the saints (Christians) Notice further on in verse 14 Who are the armies They too are arrayed in fine linen and horseback Who are they? Well they are the "wife" or "bride" (or they just have the same tailor) Again, who is the "wife" They are the saints (Christians) Where are they coming from - Heaven Who are they with - The Word of God Who is the Word of God - Jesus Pretty straight forward, wouldn't you say? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2004 We are not saying that MGR is Christ in this text, but He is the white horse upon whom Christ sits. Now he, forvetta, does not mean figuratively, but literally (screwy , yet true) He also states there isn't any rapture (ala 1Thes 4) If we back up a verses in Revelation 19 to verse 7 we see the following "7 "Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready." 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. (Re 19:7-8 NKJV) Who is the wife? "She" will be arrayed in fine linen "Her" garments are the righteous acts of the saints Well that indicates that the one wearing the garments must be the saints themselves Therefore the "wife" a.k.a. bride are the saints (Christians) Notice further on in verse 14 Who are the armies They too are arrayed in fine linen and horseback Who are they? Well they are the "wife" or "bride" (or they just have the same tailor) Again, who is the "wife" They are the saints (Christians) Where are they coming from - Heaven Who are they with - The Word of God Who is the Word of God - Jesus Pretty straight forward, wouldn't you say? Sounds pretty straight foward to me. Good job seeking the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fourvetta Report post Posted October 26, 2004 Jesus Christ is called the Lamb of God. He is also the Lion of the tribe of Judah. 2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. The kingdom of God does NOT come by observation, for it is within you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2004 Are you now saying that your earlier statement We are not saying that MGR is Christ in this text, but He is the white horse upon whom Christ sits. is figurative? So if Maxcim is not a horse, then what are you now saying? Maxcim is giving Christ a "piggy-back" ride? A rider is the master of what/whom he rides Which is it? Is Maxcim subject to Christ Is Maxcim equal to Christ As to your attempt to fend off the truth, your reference to 2Peter 3 has NO bearing on Maxcim or the subject at hand It is referring to those who deny God / Christ and say " he's not coming - it's all a big farce" I know He's coming back Swing and a miss again, again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2004 By the way... Please answer the questions posed before What's the problem? Are you afraid to explain your theology out here? Won't it stand up in the light of Scripture When I say Scripture I mean the Bible not any spurious books you and your ilk embrace 1) Who is Jesus? Is He a man or God in physical form? 2) How do you, forvetta get to Heaven? By being molokan or by accepting the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross? 3) Can you non molokan neighbor get to Heaven? If so, how? Please do not respond to the 3 questions here but in it's original thread listed below fourvetta, Who is Jesus? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steadfast 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2004 Hi Guys! More stuff from the bottom of Max and Efim`s junk drawer for fourvetta to explane, We know he has the answers because, Maxim says fourvetta has the answers to all of Gods secrets. . MGR 6/7/10 page 339 line 10. GOD himself has disclosed all of his secrets only to the simple people, the leapers and jumpers and to all my loyal ones." You don't think Maxim would lie, Do you? EGK article 26 verse12, page 579 red book, line 12, Children of parents who do not live by the will of GOD (born illegitimately,) after death are dragged by a pale horse into a swampy area. From there they go into dark solitude and remain there until the judgment of GOD. Purgatory ! This is a Catholic belief! What is it doing on the prayer altar of a Christian church? MGR 1/5/8-9 Black book page 174 line 8-9. Immediately there personally stood before Him a handsome youth of supreme stature, manifestly born and created of Him; by none other than but by GOD His Father. This is why here GOD Himself, first of all, walked up to Him like a real Father to a son, and greeted Him with His image and likeness. This is a Muslim belief! Why is it in a Christian church? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anakainosis 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2004 Maybe our church is a pseudo Christian church that needs some purging (discipline). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steadfast 0 Report post Posted October 26, 2004 You'r Right! God disciplines the ones He loves, in order for us to attain spiritually maturity, Sonship with Him. I seems like our churches have damaged hearing, because God's silence can be deafening. 2 Thess 2:10-12 They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. NIV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fourvetta Report post Posted October 26, 2004 2 Peter 3 is implying that after the Second Coming People will not believe it, because all things continue as they had before. Much like the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fourvetta Report post Posted October 26, 2004 As to your attempt to fend off the truth, your reference to 2Peter 3 has NO bearing on Maxcim or the subject at hand It is referring to those who deny God / Christ and say " he's not coming - it's all a big farce" Exactly what I am trying to say. You do not believe in the Second Coming. Nor can you. The Lord sworn in His wrath, "If they do not enter in My Rest, they shall not enter into it." Again, who is the "wife"They are the saints (Christians) Where are they coming from - Heaven Who are they with - The Word of God Who is the Word of God - Jesus No one can descend from heaven except He had first ascended into heaven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 What are you exactly saying? I just got done saying I do believe Jesus is coming back for His Church (aka the Bride) I know He's coming back How can you miss that? Now on to the statement No one can descend from heaven except He had first ascended into heaven In your statement is "He" Christ or is "He" MGR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 ******5th Request******* Please answer the questions posed before 1) Who is Jesus? Is He a man or God in physical form? 2) How do you, forvetta get to Heaven? By being molokan or by accepting the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross? 3) Can you non molokan neighbor get to Heaven? If so, how? Please do not respond to the 3 questions here but in it's original thread listed below fourvetta, Who is Jesus? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeking_truth_1 0 Report post Posted October 27, 2004 One other thing... Is MGR subject to Christ? Is MGR equal to Christ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fourvetta Report post Posted October 27, 2004 If we back up a verses in Revelation 19 to verse 7 we see the following "7 "Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready." 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. (Re 19:7-8 NKJV) Who is the wife? "She" will be arrayed in fine linen "Her" garments are the righteous acts of the saints Well that indicates that the one wearing the garments must be the saints themselves Therefore the "wife" a.k.a. bride are the saints (Christians) Seeking has proved to all that Christ Himself is the Husband to His Wife as states in the scriptures above. As A Wife and not a bride. So He cannot be the Son born unto her. We know that the law of God forbides that. Good job, seeking. Seeking. Now on to the statement No one can descend from heaven except He had first ascended into heaven In your statement is "He" Christ or is "He" MGR 1:14 Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men`s persons in admiration because of advantage. Again...No one can decsend from heaven except He had first ascended into heaven. His armies which are in heaven, also follow Him upon white horses, dressed in clean and white linen which are the righteous acts of the saints. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonymous 0 Report post Posted November 2, 2004 Jesus Christ is called the Lamb of God. He is also the Lion of the tribe of Judah. 2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. The kingdom of God does NOT come by observation, for it is within you. fourvetta, If JESUS is THE LAMB OF GOD, THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, i.e., the "Judean" MESSIAH/CHRIST, how can a man living in 1800s Russia ALSO be the "Judean Messiah?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonymous 0 Report post Posted November 2, 2004 His armies which are in heaven, also follow Him upon white horses, dressed in clean and white linen which are the righteous acts of the saints. fourvetta, Your hero's claim of being the white steed upon which JESUS rides, and you and your brethren (his faithful followers) being the white steeds upon which JESUS' army of believers ride, "excludes" himself, along with you and your brethren (his faithful followers), as member(s) of JESUS' body, HIS bride, HIS church (the saints), who follow HIM upon white horses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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