Troubleshooting fourvetta's Yahoo messages

anonymous · July 12, 2004

"As long as the gates of hell have authority, one cannot enter into Gods kingdom." (fourvetta`s quote.)

hell: Hebrew: sheol; Greek: hades

Hades is the abode/land/place/realm of the DEAD and its gates hold "captive" those who are "still" DEAD [in their trespasses/sins, the penalty for which is DEATH], those who have NOT yet been resurrected, saved, and born again into GOD`S KINGDOM by GOD HIMSELF.

JESUS' DEATH AND RESURRECTION ransomed and FREED from the clutches/jaws of satan, sin, and DEATH, those who have, do, and will believe and receive HIM, WHO IS ETERNAL LIFE, THE ONE WHO, through HIS VICTORY on the cross, has the keys of hell and death.

JESUS SAID, "I AM HE that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I AM alive for evermore, Amen; and HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND DEATH" (Revelation 1:18).

THE ONE WHO raised JESUS from the DEAD, is THE ONE WHO raises those who believe and receive HIM, from the dead into LIFE, INTO HIS KINGDOM, the abode/land/place/realm of the LIVING."

"And GOD both raised up THE LORD and will also raise us up by HIS power" (1 Corinthians 6:14).

In the following passages, we see the "dyestviye" of THE ONE TRIUNE GOD as related to resurrection.

GOD THE FATHER:

"...that if you confess with your mouth THE LORD JESUS and believe in your heart that GOD has raised HIM from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9; and Colossians 2:11-12; 1 Peter 1:20-21; Acts 2:23-24; Acts 3:14-15; Acts 13:30-37; Hebrews 13:20-21; Ephesians 1:15-20; Romans 6:4; Galatians 1:1; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10).

GOD THE SON:

"JESUS answered and said to them, 'Destroy THIS TEMPLE, and in three days I will raise IT up.' Then the Jews said, 'It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will YOU raise it up in three days?' But HE was speaking of the temple of HIS BODY. Therefore, when HE had risen from the dead, HIS disciples remembered that HE had said this to them; and they believed [THE SCRIPTURE] and [THE WORD] which JESUS had SAID" (John 2:19-22).

"Therefore MY FATHER loves ME, because I lay down MY LIFE that I may take it again. No one takes IT from ME, but I lay it down of MYSELF. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from MY FATHER" (John 10:17-18).

GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT:

"But if THE SPIRIT OF HIM WHO raised JESUS from the dead [dwells in you], HE WHO raised CHRIST from the dead will also give life to your [mortal bodies] through HIS SPIRIT WHO [dwells in you]" (Romans 8:11).

"For CHRIST also suffered once for sins, THE JUST for the unjust, that HE might bring us to GOD, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by THE SPIRIT..." (1 Peter 3:18).

HOW does one see and enter into THE KINGDOM OF GOD/CHRIST/HEAVEN?

"JESUS answered and said to him, ˜TRULY, TRULY, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see THE KINGDOM OF GOD`" (John 3:3).

"JESUS answered, ˜TRULY, TRULY, I say to you, unless one is born of water and THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter into THE KINGDOM OF GOD`" (John 3:5).

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of THE SPIRIT is spirit" (John 3:6). (First birth, "physically" by human parents; second birth, "spiritually" by GOD/THE SPIRIT.)

JESUS` WORDS that "unless [until such a time when] one is born again, of water and THE SPIRIT, he cannot see and enter into THE KINGDOM OF GOD," imply that those who ARE born again, of water and THE SPIRIT, CAN see THE KINGDOM OF GOD, and DO enter into HIS KINGDOM.

Those who CAN and DO enter into THE KINGDOM OF GOD are HIS believers, HIS body, HIS beloved bride, HIS church, for whom HE "fought" satan, sin, and DEATH with HIS blemish/sin-free LIFE and DEATH, and "won" THE VICTORY.

JESUS IS THE CONQUEROR spoken of in Revelation and THE SAVIOR spoken of throughout THE HOLY SCRIPTURES for HE and THE FATHER ARE ONE.......GOD.

JESUS is HIS bride`s, the church`s, CHAMPION and KINSMAN REDEEMER.

JESUS IS THE STONE, THE ROCK SOLID FOUNDATION of which Apostle Paul states in his first letter to the Corinthians (3:11), "For no man can lay a foundation other than THE ONE which is laid, which is JESUS CHRIST." This FOUNDATION, THE ROCK, IS "THE STONE that the builders rejected" (Matthew 21:42; Mark 12:10; Luke 20:17; "THE CHIEF CORNER STONE" (Ephesians 2:20); "THE SPIRITUAL ROCK WHO IS CHRIST" (1 Corinthians 10:4).

ALL members of JESUS` body, HIS church, are "living stones" (1 Peter 2:5), like Peter, whose name JESUS changed from Petros (a stone) to Petra (a rock, ledge of rock, a solid BED-ROCK), who, corporately, comprise/form/make up the "temple" of THE LIVING GOD that THE BUILDER HIMSELF, JESUS, sets, places, plants, i.e., "builds," on THE FOUNDATION, THE ROCK, GOD, through their FAITH in HIM.

ALL saints, i.e., believers, members of JESUS` church, are "door-keepers" of the temple like Peter (with "keys"), because of their FAITH in JESUS CHRIST, like Peter when he answered JESUS, saying, "THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD" to which JESUS responded, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but MY FATHER WHO is in Heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build MY church; and the gates of Hades SHALL NOT overpower it. I will give you the keys of THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN; the things you don't allow on earth will be the things that GOD does not allow, and the things you allow on earth will be the things that GOD allows" (Matthew 16:17-19).

In other words, the "keys" to THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is HIM and HIS POWER, through THE HOLY SPIRIT, given to the church on earth to allow what IS, and disallow what isn't GOD'S WILL on earth as IT (HIS WILL) is done in Heaven, in HIS KINGDOM, THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

It is Apostle Peter's confession of FAITH in the SPIRITUAL ROCK, in JESUS CHRIST, the belief that HE IS GOD`S MESSIAH, THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD, that JESUS pronounces "the rock" upon which HE will found HIS church. FAITH in JESUS in one`s heart/mind, and confessed with the lips, is the very foundation of the spiritual life and of the church. This constituted the fundamental difference in apostolic days between CHRISTians and unbelievers, the church and the world. It does still. It is the essence of the teaching of the New Testament.

It isn`t Apostle Peter, the (hu)man, who JESUS will build HIS church upon (1 Corinthians 3:11), for ALL humans fall short of the GLORY of GOD. It is on THE FOUNDATION not laid by human hands, THE ONE in WHOM Apostle Peter placed his FAITH, in JESUS, that JESUS` church, the "living stones" of the temple of THE LIVING GOD, would be/are being built upon.

It is because JESUS` church is built on HIM, THE SPIRITUAL ROCK, THE STONE, that the gates of hell CANNOT and SHALL NOT prevail against it for it is HE WHO conquered the gates of hell through HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION, and those held captive by them, through their FAITH in HIM.

Through HIS RESURRECTION, JESUS demonstrated that the gates of hades, the abode of the DEAD, did NOT prevail, they could NOT hold HIM when HE rose VICTORIOUSLY out of the grave, CONQUERING death itself. And when the corruptible body puts on the incorruptible body, and clothes itself with that which can never be destroyed and die, i.e., ETERNAL LIFE through GOD'S GRACE in CHRIST JESUS, the WORDS OF GOD through Isaiah, "Death is destroyed forever in victory," will be made true, for we know that "Death`s power to hurt is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But we thank GOD! HE gives us the VICTORY through our LORD JESUS CHRIST" (1 Corinthians 15:55-57; and John 5:24,28,29; Romans 8:38,39).

Against this TRUTH, THE TRUTH HIMSELF, JESUS, THE FOUNDATION, THE ROCK, WHO has ALREADY conquered satan, sin, and DEATH, and upon WHOM is built HIS church, the gates of hades have NO power for they were conquered/defeated by THE POWER OF THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE, THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE HIMSELF.......JESUS.

JESUS` church, equipped with GOD`S armour = [helmet of] SALVATION, [breastplate of] RIGHTEOUSNESS, [feet shod with] PEACE, [shield of] FAITH, [the sword of] THE WORD OF GOD, [girded up with HIS] TRUTH, are grounded/firmly planted in/on HIM, and like their LORD AND MASTER, is immovable and does NOT "fall" for every wind of doctrine, i.e., satan`s cunning, darts, lies, wiles, works (e.g., the s&l authors` falsehoods/untruths), for they know THE ROCK on WHOM they are built, THE ROCK SOLID FOUNDATION of GOD`S TRUTH, THE VERY WORD OF GOD, THE LOGOS, JESUS, WHO IS HIMSELF GOD.

JESUS` church, HIS victorious army, equipped with the armour of GOD and empowered by THE PARAKLETE, can storm the gates of hades and snatch captives (those who have NOT yet heard and do NOT know THE GOSPEL OF JESUS --- the POWER of HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION, and are still DEAD in their trespasses and captives of death---hades and its gates) as "brands from the fire" (Zechariah 3:2, Jude 23), since they KNOW that death is a CONQUERED foe.

Because the power of death was DEFEATED ON THE CROSS, the "building" of the church will go on, "living stone" by "living stone," on the same FAITH in JESUS, the ONE TRUE FAITH, Apostle Peter had, upon the ROCK SOLID FOUNDATION which has already been laid, THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE, THE STONE the builders rejected, THE STONE THE LORD GOD lay in Zion, a tested STONE, a precious CORNERSTONE for a SURE foundation (Isaiah 28:16), until THE CONQUEROR, THE STONE HIMSELF returns for HIS church, HIS bride, HIS army, HIS victorious ones to be adorned in white linen, who will ride on white horses with HIM, THE VICTORIOUS KING of kings, and LORD of lords, THE VERY ONE WHO gave this "vision" for Apostle John to "see" and record in the book of Revelation.

HIS NAME IS.......JESUS.

Revelation 20:15 “ "And if anyone`s name was not found written in the BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

But woe unto those who have NOT been born again (spiritually, "from above"), of water and THE SPIRIT (by GOD), and have NOT seen and entered into THE KINGDOM OF GOD/CHRIST/HEAVEN. Those whose name is NOT found written in [the slain and risen LAMB`S] BOOK OF LIFE, will be thrown into the lake of fire. This is the "second death," eternal death, separation from GOD, forever.

THIS is the "difference" between THE "REAL" CHRIST.......JESUS, and the ONE TRUE FAITH......."faith" in HIM, versus deceivers, many, who come "in HIS NAME," i.e., "a" christ/king/leader/mediator/teacher/savior, etc., or "the" christ/king/leader/mediator/teacher/savior, etc., of a particular sect/denomination/group, deceiving many. This is how GRAVE (pun intended) the matter of FALSEHOOD (e.g., the s&l, its teachings, its so-called "worship" ceremonies/rites/rituals, etc.), is.

fourvetta,

You asked,

"GT, who would you say is false christianity, with the number 666. We know that false christianity will fill the whole earth according to rev. 13

Also, who are the true prominent molokan leaders by name of the bible only fraction, being that they are not LP, DY, MGR, EGK of the priguni?"

ANSWER: 2 Timothy 3:5 - "...holding to a "form" of GODliness, although they have DENIED its power¦"

False CHRISTIANITY in a nutshell: "acting" dookhovni, "dressing" dookhovni, "looking" dookhovni, "talking" dookhovni, but personally, devoid of GOD, HIS WORD, THE LOGOS, THE TRUTH, JESUS CHRIST, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH = HIS POWER.

In light of GOD`S TRUTH, it appears either your so-called hero(es) of your so-called faith did NOT teach you or you did NOT learn that JESUS is WHO HE SAYS HE IS, which is why your faith is in a counterfeit, a phony, one of many who claimed the title of Christ, but who, in TRUTH, will deceive many as JESUS, THE "REAL" CHRIST, warned HIS church, the church against which the gates of hell CANNOT and SHALL NOT prevail because of their FAITH in WHO HE IS and WHAT HE DID.

REMINDER: s&l = The mixing of a LITTLE truth with a LOT of lies, makes a very DEADLY (literally) brew.

Nick Shubin · July 17, 2004

Don't you get tired of your one-sided discussions?

seeking_truth_1 · July 17, 2004

Don't you get tired of your one-sided discussions?

All first posts are not discussions (initially), but rather observations/thoughts etc...

Their observations are astute and prescient

However, your reply is spurious at best

Why make such negative comments?

If you have nothing to add, comment or correct, why waste the bandwidth?

Perhaps throwing a rock, in ignorance, is a way you can say you did something :huh:

Nick Shubin · July 18, 2004

Touchy touchy! Where do you get that i am throwing rocks? After reading your postings at the old site, which you pretty much carried on a conversation with yourself, i was just currious if you are tired of it......carrying on a one sidded discussion that is.

I am not one of fourvettas lackeys, to be honest i don't agree with him or her, and furthermore while your observations are bible, not s&l bassed, your presentation has much to be desired. I have been following the bickering between the 2 sides for quite a long time, and you all you should be ashamed of yourselves!

seeking_truth_1 · July 18, 2004

If you would take a moment, you may notice that the initial post in this thread was not done by me.

It was done by someone with the screen name "anonymous" who looks like a registered user here

Perhaps the "throwing rocks" comments could have been more politically correct by saying "throwing cute cuddly kittens"

But I'd have the PETA people out in force

I saw your comment as negative toward anonymous, like comments that come from others within the molokan church.

Like Jeremiah, there have been people who have spent numerous months and years spreading Biblically based truth within the community only to be dismissed, by some, as "molokan bashers" or, in Jeremiah`s case, ignored.

Unfortunately the Jews suffered as a result of their disobedience and unwillingness to listen

Why would anonymous spend what would appear hours to put together a response to forvetta`s post?

Because they don`t care?

If anonymous didn`t care and wanted to "molokan bash" they could have made some short comment attempting to take a pot shot at forvetta and leave the forum

Much like your comments are "pot shots"

"aren`t they tired?¦you should be ashamed¦ et al"

"Tired" I would hope not

"Ashamed" , definately not

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek." (Romans 1:16 NKJV)

Your responses/comments are indicitive of the type of complacency that is allowing the heresy of the SNL to permeate and be the ultimate destruction of the molokan church

If you were to be suffering from a critical illness would you want your doctor to tell you the truth so something could be done?

Or would it be better, so as not to upset anyone, ignore the illness and allow it to continue unchecked

If you truly do not agree with forvetta and the ideaologies he and others within the molokan church propagate, why not stand up and call it for what it is, heresy

If you have done your homework by reading the SNL & Bible, you will see that they DO NOT agree

""And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."" (Joshua 24:15 NKJV)

I'm sorry if this doesn't come across warm and fuzzy

There are times Jesus spoke in parables to those who are seeking to assist them in finding the truth

Yet there were other times when He faced the religious leaders who were promoting themselves to obtain power/wealth etc... he hit them with "both barrels"

"34 "Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: [some] of them you will kill and crucify, and [some] of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 "that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under [her] wings, but you were not willing! 38 "See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 "for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ˜Blessed [is] He who comes in the name of the LORD!`"" (Mt 23:34-39 NKJV)

Not warm & fuzzy, but yet completely appropriate

Would some have accused Jesus of being a "jew basher" in this case?

Perhaps He should be "ashamed" for not "getting along" with the religious leaders

Or maybe, when He gets "tired" he'll stop speaking the truth

I do recognize, you like many within the molokan community, if you were to speak out you would "get the boot"

It's a dilemma many have faced at some point

You see what is occuring by the diminishing numbers and rise in the number of extremists within the community

I am endeavoring to do my part

How about you?

I'll end now by adding one of those cutesy icons things to lighten the post :D

Do well today

Nick Shubin · July 18, 2004

B) Thankyou. I lean more towards warm fluffy puppies.

I see your point, but i would hope that you see mine. I'm of the age that i remember that calvary group days, i remember Efrim Bavin driving around in an old beat up pickup with a 6' cross in the back, i remember the hume lake camp, and what i remember most was the arrogance with which the word of Christ was spoken. Most of the afore mentioned group would snicker and laugh at us dumb molokans all the while telling us that Jesus loved us. I remeber feeling very resentful towards those people, so i went full bore into the Molokan doctrine, and yes i was a firm believer in the s&l doctrine, and i did so blindly.

It wasn't untill i had kids, and started seeing things in a whole new perspective, i realized that my beliefs were not scripturally bassed, rather i was going with the flow. A few years ago i began seeing these internet molokan forums, so i lurked in them, never really giving an opinion, but watching the circus that played out before me, where both sides were using scripture to prove the other side wrong. While trying to stay objective, and hear what both sides had to say, well i was embarassed for both sides, the chest pounding, the smugness of the posts.

I will concede that yours, and annonymous's knowledge of the Bible far surpasses mine, but it is the manner in which the message is given. I'm not naieve(sp?) I know that somtimes you must show tough love, but that's not what have seen.

Let me ask you a question, we are all humans, right? Being human, we will be subject to flaws, right? So how can one person feel that the way they understand scripture be the correct way of understanding it?

To put it simply, leaving out the s&l, both sides are using scripture to prove the other wrong, and i guess that's where i have a problem understanding this whole mess.

Heres another smiley for ya kind of a confussed smile, sort of how i feel! Take care.

seeking_truth_1 · July 19, 2004

"As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;" (Ro 3:10 NKJV)

we`re all messed up from an eternal standpoint¦

To expand

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," (Ro 3:23 NKJV)

As I have heard it said "All means all"

No one can reach God on their own

However, that where the problems really begin

Some within the molokan community would tell you that the way to reach God is via your lineage/heritage and your ability to do the right thing

Be a "good Molokan", pay your church dues and don`t hang out at the bar too much

Cask & Cleaver, Tips, Mr. C`s, Bennigans, Playroom etc¦ :wacko: (sound familiar “ perhaps not, depending upon your age and where you grew up)

As to those who come across arrogant. Regardless of their behavior, you cannot dismiss the truth

I`m sure you have had math teachers you may not of liked (for any reason)

If the one you liked who told you 2 + 2 = 4 and another who you did not like told you 2 + 2 = 4 regardless of your personal feelings the answer is still 4

I agree that sometimes the messengers can be over zealous, perhaps for the wrong reasons

Many within the molokan community when told the real truth were quite angry

Finding out they had been told a lie for so long by people they trusted did not set well :huh:

However, that cannot negate the truth the Bible holds

I have always stated on ANY forum I have posted, DO NOT believe me or anything I say for face value.

You need to crack open a Bible for yourself. Get into a Bible study that may not be from within the molokan community. Or you can do both. One from within the community and one from outside the community and compare the differences

Take a practical approach. Do some personal research. Ask lots of questions and compare answers

From a spiritual standpoint Christians have the Holy Spirit living within them

"Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit [who is] in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?" (1Co 6:19 NKJV)

As a result, you get some really cool stuff

""But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." (Joh 14:26 NKJV)

The Spirit of God will give you some real clues when you are told the truth or a lie and the ability to discern between the two

If you are a Christian, you will recognize the truth as it is spoken to you, however, if you are not combined with a lack of Biblical knowledge, you can be lead astray quite easily.

Hence the problems within the community (especially with the cults “ i.e. Clark Street )

Nick Shubin · July 20, 2004

Seeking, thankyou!

I remember the places that you mentioned, i remember going to those places after a rousing night at young church, and wed night church....nowdays i see the people that would also hang out at those places, and it really gets me to see how they are now, noses stuck up in the air, like that part of their life never happened. I guess what's confusing me is that i see the attitude of both sides, but i don't fit into either.

I love the Molokan church, i couldn't see myself anywhere else, but lately with all the confussion i have been feeling, i haven't been a regular attendee, which compounds my problems, because when i do attend, i have to put up with the attitudes...you know the type...(so...where have you been? hhmm decided to grace us with your presence? etc...) Don't get me wrong, not all the people are like that, but the ones that are sure know how to make words sting!

I'm just curious, i'm not asking you to tell me who you are, but i'd like to know your age, i'm 38. I wonder how many others of my age group feel the same.

Take care.

seeking_truth_1 · July 20, 2004

Hey...

I'm the same age

That's why, as you (and I ) get older, start asking some real tough questions about life and the future

We are nearing the half way point in life and whatever you place your faith in is going to assist you in dealing with your mortality

The 'ol death and taxes scenario

Check out the post by anakainosis in the Faith Section titled "The death of a church, Tradition before Truth?"

I'm not sure how old they are but it would appear he/she is in the same place and is nailing it

I will take issue with one of your statements "I love the Molokan church, i couldn't see myself anywhere else

I love the people, however the church does seem to be lacking in many areas primarily in solid Biblical teaching

More Biblical teaching and less empahsis on "beard length" a.k.a. the traditions of men

"Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." (Col 2:8 NKJV)

I do not actively participate in the molokan church (like the majority of the community) because I needed to be fed the Word of God in Church and not be fed a bunch or stories and fables based on the opinions of men lacking spiritual truth

Prophet · July 22, 2004

I'm of the age that i remember that calvary group days, i remember the hume lake camp.

I went to Hume Lake and really enjoyed it. My mind set was to hear the pure Word of God without being tainted with forefather fables and stories. Bible studies then are not what they are today. Today its russian shirts, kacinki and sit around a table covered with a white cloth. Then it was shorts and t-shirts, sit where ever you like, which normally would be on the floor. If you were late you would be stuck in the hallway or out on the porch. It was really neat to see 40 - 50 kids cram into a house.

Oh Yes.... that was the good ole Calvary days.

Shashlik · July 22, 2004

What does this mean?

2 Thessalonians 2:13-17

"But we must always give thanks to God for you, brothers and sisters beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the first fruits for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and through belief in the truth. For this purpose, he called you through our proclamation of the good news, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by epistle. Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and through grace gave us eternal comfort and good hope, comfort your hearts and strengthen them in every good work and word."

We must uphold the molokan faith.

seeking_truth_1 · July 22, 2004

We must uphold the molokan faith.

What is the Molokan faith?

What are the basic tenets or a statement of faith

According to your faith, who is Jesus?

What was/is His purpose?

You quoted a portion of Scripture refering to Jesus as Savior

How does being a molokan add to Salvation?

How do others that are "non-molokans" obtain salvation?

anonymous · July 22, 2004

Tradition: Greek - paradosis: transmission; a precept; specifically, the Jewish traditionary law---ordinance, tradition.

In the New Testament, the word tradition has reference to "that which has been passed down." Some things (doctrines, rituals) passed down by man are contrary to THE WORD OF GOD, and should be forsaken (Mark 7:13; Colossians 2:8).

Apostle Paul wrote to the Thessalonians saying, "Stand fast and hold the traditions," (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

The "traditions" Apostle Paul is speaking of are those ordinances, precepts and teachings "transmitted" through the apostles of JESUS CHRIST, and intended for ALL future generations.

JESUS SAID to HIS disciples when HE sent them out after HIS resurrection, "... teach them to observe all things that I have commanded you," (Matthew 28:20).

As an apostle of JESUS CHRIST, Paul taught what JESUS commanded, and this "body of instruction" "transmitted" through the apostles is now preserved in the New Testament.

The obligation incumbent upon CHRISTians is to LEARN these instructions, then "stand fast" and "hold" them against all threats and temptations.

In the next chapter, Apostle Paul adds: "Now we command you, brethren, in THE NAME of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, that you withdraw from every brother that walks disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received FROM US" (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

Not only must CHRISTians stand fast and hold the traditions (New Testament), they are obligated to join with other CHRISTians to take action against those who rebel and refuse to keep these traditions.

More specifically, paradoseis, the traditions, the teachings Apostle Paul refers to is the TRUTH which, having been received, must be faithfully passed on.

Apostle Paul is referring to his (Paul's) teaching which he had received from GOD (cf. 1 Thessalonians 2:13), and which subsequently, he writes, we (the apostles) passed on to you (CHRISTians; believers), whether by word of mouth (his oral instruction when present with them) or by letter (his written instruction when absent).

These paradoseis are not the traditions of the [early] church, or traditions of a particular contemporary denomination or sect, but the original teachings or traditions of the apostles. It is vital to preserve this distinction between the two kinds of tradition.

The traditions CHRISTians are to "hold fast," are those which the apostles received from JESUS CHRIST (the historic JESUS and HIS SPIRIT), which they taught the early church by word or letter, and which are now preserved in the New Testament.

To "stand firm and hold to the teachings" means for CHRISTians to be.......uncompromisingly faithful/loyal to the teaching of JESUS and HIS apostles. The only "way" to resist false teaching is to cling to THE TRUE VINE HIMSELF WHOSE WORDS are the TRUE teachings.

Please NOTE that in all of his epistles, Apostle Paul speaks to those of THE ONE FAITH to CHRISTians, believers and followers of JESUS CHRIST, NOT "molokans."

Also please NOTE that the traditions, the teachings, the TRUTH --- GOD'S precepts, ordinances the apostles passed on was to ALL future generations of CHRISTians, NOT "molokans."

REPEAT: "molokan" is NOT a "faith," it is a NICKNAME for a "sect," no different than any other "denomination."

There is only ONE FAITH --- FAITH in THE ONE TRIUNE GOD, just as GOD HIMSELF, through HIS WORD, teaches us.

kharece · July 22, 2004

well put, anonymous! :D

it's all about historical context. we should not be reading our own meaning into the text, but let the context speak to us.

have you read anakainosis' post? ;)

anonymous · July 23, 2004

I have read anakainosis' post. It is realistic.

Shashlik · July 24, 2004

anonymous,

Why do you bring over fourvetta's molokanforum posts over here and discuss about them? Why not challenge/discuss with fourvetta over at molokanforum?

anonymous · July 24, 2004

Perhaps I should "headline" the posts with COMMENTARY?

Would that be more easily understood?

P.S. I like the formatting capabilities on this board.

anonymous · September 6, 2004

Commentaries

Unfortunately, in fourvetta`s consideration of the s&l as the "deep" things of GOD, he and his brethren have gone off the "deep end," as evidenced in his confession:

"The Lord Jesus Christ Himself comes with a new name, King of Spirits and God to the faithful. Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord. MGR Book 4 pov. 11: 12-24"

fourvetta and his brethren have swallowed the master deceiver's "bait," i.e., one of many who has come and will come in the name of "Christ," claiming the designations/titles belonging ONLY to JESUS, THE MESSIAH, GOD'S CHRIST.

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"Christ Himself said, "If you shall receive Me personified as a Prophet, you shall recieve the reward of that Prophet. If you do not recieve whom I shall send, you do not receive Me. If you do not receive Me, you do not receive My Father who sent Me also." (fourvetta`s quote.)

The reason fourvetta will not and CANNOT provide the book(s), chapter(s), and verse(s) from THE HOLY SCRIPTURES for the above "verbatim" quote, is because they are NOT the WORDS OF JESUS.

JESUS to HIS disciples:

"All those who stand before others and say they believe in ME, I will say before MY FATHER in Heaven that they belong to ME. But all who stand before others and say they do not believe in ME, I will say before MY FATHER in Heaven that they do not belong to ME.

Don`t think that I came to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. I have come so that ˜a son will be against his father, a daughter will be against her mother, a daughter-in-law will be against her mother-in-law. A person`s enemies will be members of his own family.` (Micah 7:6)

Those who love their father or mother more than they love ME are not worthy to be MY followers. Those who love their son or daughter more than they love ME are not worthy to be MY followers. Whoever is not willing to carry the cross and follow ME is not worthy of ME. Those who try to hold on to their lives will give up true life. Those who give up their lives for ME will hold on to true life.

Whoever accepts you also accepts ME, and whoever accepts ME also accepts THE ONE WHO sent ME. Whoever meets a prophet and accepts him will receive the reward of a prophet. And whoever accepts a good person because that person is good will receive the reward of a good person. Those who give one of these little ones a cup of cold water because they are MY followers will truly get their reward`" (Matthew 10:32-42).

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fourvetta on fourvetta:

"¦¦just like Nebuchadenazzer was mad without God for a period of seven years."

fourvetta¦¦we continue to pray for you.

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"The more the seed blessed by God are insulted, persecuted, slandered and falsely spoken of all manner of evil against them, the greater their reward is in heaven." (fourvetta`s quote.)

This "martyr-like" posture for the "wrong" cause is reminiscent of Muslims who self-destruct for the "earthly/fleshly" idea that they will be rewarded by Allah with 10, 20, 30 ??? virgins/wives in......wherever they THINK they are going.

Curious¦¦their destination sounds like mgr`s kingdom in which 2, 7, 14, 18 ??? undefiled virgins/wives/queens will reign with him......

One can just hear otkroveniya and his brethren`s "spiritually enlightened" minds responding with¦¦Jesus Himself said, "in My Father`s house are many rooms," and proceed to express gratitude for being provided "a freebie."

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A "nickname" is NOT "faith." Faith is NOT "a" faith. Faith is "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen"; the one true faith spoken of in GOD'S WORD, THE HOLY SCRIPTURES --- faith in HIM --- THE ETERNAL TRIUNE GOD, yesterday, today, and forever. Period. There is no "other" faith.

This group nicknamed molokans is a "protestant" (from "protest") denomination/sect of religious dissenters (proteevniki), who, in their ignorance (literally) of and immaturity in spiritual matters, have managed in 90+ ? years to have squandered even that which they supposedly were given, which was¦¦what, exactly?

Oh, yes¦¦the s&l, the "deep" things of GOD¦¦

Krooghom, krooghom, na pech v oogol.

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RE: Elders

I look to the twenty-four before the throne of THE LORD MOST HIGH, who, after the living creatures before HIS THRONE never ceasing day and night to say, "'HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, IS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, WHO WAS AND WHO IS AND WHO IS TO COME,' giving GLORY and HONOR and THANKS to HIM WHO sits on the throne, to HIM WHO lives FOREVER AND EVER,

...fall down before HIM WHO sits on the throne, and worship HIM WHO LIVES FOREVER AND EVER, casting their crowns before the throne, saying, 'Worthy are YOU, our LORD AND our GOD, to receive GLORY AND HONOR AND POWER; for YOU did create all things, and because of YOUR WILL they exist, and were created.'" AMEN.

And while here on earth, I profess:

"That at THE NAME OF JESUS every knee should bow, of things in Heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, to the GLORY of GOD THE FATHER" (Philippians 2:10-11).

And for those who have "ears to hear,"

Come, now is the time to worship...
Come, now is the time to give your heart...
Come, just as you are to worship...
Come, just as you are before THE LORD!

Come!

One day every tongue will confess HE is GOD...
One day every knee will bow...
Still the greatest treasure remains for those
Who gladly choose HIM now!

Come!

"THE SPIRIT and the bride say, ˜Come!`" (Revelation 22:17a).

(otkroveniya22 “ this invitation is for you too!)

anonymous · October 4, 2004

Yahoo message 1625

"To whom God gave His Word, He also called them His Sons.

The conqueror in Revelations 12, can not be Christ, since Christ gave birth to Him, through the woman clothed in the sun. As Christ Himself said, 'I shall send to you the Spirit of Truth and He shall teach you all things.'

The conqueror in Revelations 19 is the same as in rev. 2: 7, 10&11, 17, 26-28; rev. 3: 12, 21&22."

fourvetta

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GOD'S WORD, THE LOGOS, THE WORD WHO "IS" GOD, WHO BECAME FLESH, IS.......JESUS.

And as we can see from reading the account of THE WORD, that "as many as received" HIM, to "them" HE gave the right (privilege) to become the "children" (sons and daughters) of GOD.

John 1:1-18 - "In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with GOD, and THE WORD WAS GOD. HE was in the beginning with GOD. All things came into being by HIM, and apart from HIM nothing came into being that has come into being. In HIM was LIFE, and the life was the LIGHT of men. And THE LIGHT shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

There came a man, sent from GOD, whose name was John. He came for a witness, that he might bear witness of THE LIGHT, that all might believe through him. He was not THE LIGHT, but came that he might bear witness of THE LIGHT.

There was the TRUE LIGHT which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. HE was in the world, and the world was made through HIM, and the world did not know HIM. HE came to HIS own, and those who were HIS own did not receive HIM. But AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM, to them HE GAVE THE RIGHT TO BECOME CHILDREN OF GOD, even to those who believe in HIS NAME, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD.

And THE WORD BECAME FLESH, and dwelt among us, and we beheld HIS GLORY, GLORY as of the only begotten from THE FATHER, full of GRACE and TRUTH.

John bore witness of HIM, and cried out, saying, 'This was HE of whom I said, HE WHO comes after me has a higher rank than I, for HE existed before me.'

For of HIS fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. For the Law was given through Moses; GRACE and TRUTH were realized through JESUS CHRIST.

No man has seen GOD at any time; the only begotten GOD, WHO is in the bosom of THE FATHER, HE has explained HIM."

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THE CONQUEROR in Revelation 19, is.......JESUS.

The REASON fourvetta CANNOT "see" JESUS as THE CONQUEROR is, instead of having the "mind" of CHRIST JESUS, fourvetta has the mind of mgr. Because he believes his hero`s words MORE than he believes GOD`S WORD, the "lenses" through which fourvetta "views" what is written in THE HOLY SCRIPTURES he sees "through" mgr`s eyes. Hence, regardless of how hard and how many times he fasts, prays, etc., prior to, during, and after reading GOD`S WORD, THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, he will ALWAYS "see" mgr instead of JESUS.

Revelation 19:1-21 - "After these things I heard, as it were, a loud voice of a great multitude in Heaven, saying, 'Hallelujah! SALVATION and GLORY and POWER belong to our GOD; because HIS JUDGMENTS are TRUE and RIGHTEOUS; for HE has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and HE has avenged the blood of HIS bond-servants on her.'

And a second time they said, 'Hallelujah! Her smoke rises up forever and ever.' And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped GOD WHO sits on the throne saying, 'Amen. Hallelujah!'

And a voice came from the throne, saying, 'Give PRAISE to our GOD, all of you HIS bond-servants, you who fear HIM, the small and the great.' And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude and as the sound of many waters and the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, 'Hallelujah! For THE LORD our GOD, THE ALMIGHTY, reigns.

Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to HIM, for the marriage of THE LAMB has come and HIS bride has made herself ready.' And it was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

And he said to me, 'Write, blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of THE LAMB.' And he said to me, 'These are TRUE WORDS OF GOD.'

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, 'Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the TESTIMONY OF JESUS; WORSHIP GOD. For THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS is THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.

And I saw Heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and HE WHO sat upon it is called FAITHFUL AND TRUE; and in righteousness HE judges and wages war.

And HIS eyes are a flame of fire; and upon HIS head are many diadems; and HE has a NAME written upon HIM which no one knows except HIMSELF.

And HE is clothed with a robe dipped in blood; and HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD.

And the armies which are in Heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following HIM on white horses.

And from HIS mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it HE may smite the nations; and HE will rule them with a rod of iron; and HE treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of GOD, THE ALMIGHTY.

And on HIS robe and on HIS thigh HE has a NAME written, 'KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.'

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midHeaven, 'Come, assemble for the great supper of GOD; in order that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.'

And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies, assembled to make war against HIM WHO sat upon the horse, and against HIS army.

And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of HIM WHO sat upon the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh."

The conqueror(s) in Revelation 2:7, 10, 11, 17, 26-28; 3:12, 21-22 are ALL of JESUS' believers throughout "time" whom HE purchased with HIS PRECIOUS BLOOD for GOD; men from EVERY tribe, tongue, and nation, indwelt and empowered by THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, THE HOLY SPIRIT, GOD HIMSELF, who "conquer(ed), over(came/come), and defeat(ed)" the devil/dragon/father of lies/man of lawlessness/serpent/son of perdition/satan "because of THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB and because of the word of their testimony" (Revelation 12:11a) which WORD and TESTIMONY is THE WORD OF GOD --- THE LOGOS --- THE GOOD NEWS --- THE GOSPEL --- JESUS CHRIST --- HIS BIRTH, LIFE, MINISTRY, DEATH, RESURRECTION, AND ASCENSION --- THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY --- THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.

The conquerors (plural) are men (plural) from EVERY tribe, tongue, and nation purchased by JESUS and HIS PRECIOUS BLOOD for GOD, who have been BORN AGAIN, the first birth, "physically," by "human" parents, the SECOND, "spiritually," (from above), of water and by GOD HIMSELF WHO IS [THE] SPIRIT.

These are those whom JESUS made a KINGDOM and PRIESTS for GOD.

The "woman clothed in the sun" in Revelation 10 is Israel, the "root" of the "natural" olive tree, who "gave birth" to.......THE MAN-CHILD.......JESUS.......the "descendant," the "son," "born" of the house of David, the BRANCH/ROD from the root/stump of Jesse.

And through Israel`s "rejection" of JESUS, GOD`S PLAN of "grafting on" the Gentiles, the "wild" olive tree to the "root" or "natural" olive tree, was FULFILLED which Apostle Paul explains in Romans 11:17-24,

"It is as if some of the branches from an olive tree have been broken off. You non-Jewish people [Gentiles] are like the branch of a WILD olive tree that has been joined to that FIRST tree. You now share the strength and life of the first tree, the Jews. So do not brag about those branches that were broken off. If you brag, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

You will say, 'Branches were broken off so that I could be joined to their tree.' That is true. But those branches were broken off BECAUSE they did NOT believe, and you continue to be part of the tree ONLY BECAUSE you believe. Do not be proud, but be afraid. If GOD did not let the natural branches of that tree stay, then HE will not let you stay if you DON'T believe."

These are the "AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM, to them HE GAVE THE RIGHT TO BECOME CHILDREN OF GOD, even to those who believe in HIS NAME, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD" Apostle John writes about in John 1:12-13.

These are the "men from EVERY tribe, tongue, and nation" purchased by JESUS` PRECIOUS BLOOD for GOD which HE made a KINGDOM and PRIESTS for HIM seen by Apostle John in the vision given to him by JESUS.

To fourvetta and his BIASED brethren:

"TEST yourselves to SEE if you are in THE FAITH; EXAMINE yourselves! Or do you NOT recognize this about yourselves, that JESUS CHRIST is IN you---UNLESS indeed you FAIL the test?" (2 Corinthians 13:5)

REMINDER: Apostle Paul was NOT referring to the "molokan faith," NOR was he referring to mgr`s "jumper/leaper faith." Apostle Paul, who himself was CONVERTED from Judaism to CHRISTianity, is referring to the CHRISTian faith, that is, FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS. Period.

P.S. THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, THE PARAKLETE, WHO IS "like" JESUS, WHOM JESUS sent in HIS stead "speaks/testifies/witnesses" of JESUS, THE CREATOR and SUSTAINER of HIS creation/ALL things, THE "SOURCE" of ALL knowledge and wisdom. HE IS TUTOR to those in whom HE resides, and who is "greater" in intelligence, knowledge, and wisdom than THE CREATOR HIMSELF?

ANSWER: No one.

anonymous · October 13, 2004

Yahoo message #1513

Every man shall become the husband of seven wives. Isaiah speaks of this twice, first in chapter 4 and then in chapter 11.

For the branch from The roots shall bear his fruit, if we remain on the vine.

fourvetta

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Isaiah 4:1 “ "At that time seven women* will grab one man and say, ˜We will eat our own bread and make our own clothes, but please marry us! Please, TAKE AWAY OUR SHAME **!"

*women, NOT wives as in fourvetta`s hero's "PERversion" and "fantasy."

**a GRIEVOUS and SHAMEFUL event.

AGAIN: The Isaiah 4:1 passage is the CONCLUSION of the previous passages, Isaiah 3:16-26, passages which speak of GOD`S JUDGMENT on the women of Jerusalem, leaving them in a state of REPROACH and SHAME, begging one man to marry them to TAKE AWAY their REPROACH and SHAME.

Isaiah 11:1-16 “ "A NEW BRANCH will grow from a stump of a tree; so A NEW KING will come from the family of Jesse. THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD will rest upon THAT KING. THE SPIRIT will give HIM wisdom and understanding, guidance and power. THE SPIRIT will teach HIM to know and respect THE LORD.

THIS KING will be glad to obey THE LORD. HE will not judge by the way things look or decide by what HE hears. But HE will judge the poor honestly; HE will be fair in HIS decisions for the poor people of the land. At HIS command evil people will be punished, and by HIS WORDS the wicked will be put to death. Goodness and fairness will give HIM strength, like a belt around HIS waist.

Then wolves will live in peace with lambs, and leopards will lie down to rest with goats. Calves, lions, and young bulls will eat together, and a little child will lead them. Cows and bears will eat together in peace. Their young will lie down to rest together. Lions will eat hay as oxen do. A baby will be able to play near a cobra`s hole, and a child will be able to put his hand into the nest of a poisonous snake. They will not hurt or destroy each other on all MY holy mountain, because the earth will be full of the knowledge of THE LORD, as the sea is full of water.

At that time THE NEW KING from the family of Jesse will stand as A BANNER for ALL peoples. The nations will come together around HIM, and the place where HE lives will be filled with glory. At that time THE LORD will again reach out and take HIS people who are left alive in Assyria, North Egypt, South Egypt, Cush, Elam, Babylonia, Hamath, and all the islands of the sea.

GOD will raise A BANNER as a sign for all nations, and HE will gather the people of Israel who were forced from their country. HE will gather the scattered people of Judah from all parts of the earth. At that time Israel will not be jealous anymore, and Judah will have no more enemies. Israel will not be jealous of Judah, and Judah will not hate Israel. But Israel and Judah will attack the Philistines on the west. Together they will take the riches from the people of the east. They will conquer Edom and Moab, and the people of Ammon will be under their control.

THE LORD will dry up the Red Sea of Egypt. HE will wave HIS arm over the Euphrates River and dry it up with a scorching wind. HE will divide it into seven small rivers so that people can walk across them with their sandals on. So GOD`S people who are left alive will have a way to leave Assyria, just like the time the Israelites came out of Egypt."

WHERE in the above chapter, Chapter 11, does Isaiah speak of every man becoming the husband of seven wives as fourvetta states?

ANSWER: NOWHERE.

fourvetta, like his deluded hero, is a VERY SICK person teaching a VERY SICK doctrine.

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"For the branch from The roots shall bear his fruit, if we remain on the vine."

THE BRANCH from the root/stump of Jesse IS.......JESUS.

THE "TRUE" VINE IS.......JESUS.

IF only fourvetta believed in the "TRUE" MESSIAH.......CHRIST JESUS.

Unfortunately, he's been "tricked" by the master deceiver into believing that his hero was a "Christ."

Let us continue to ask THE LORD GOD that HIS WILL be done with fourvetta and his spiritually SICK brethren.

seeking_truth_1 · October 20, 2009

2004...? Wow!

This was a good post by anonymous

I remember the old yahoo site when I thought forvetta was a "christian" because he said so

After a time of reading fv's posts, their "Jesus" and the Biblical Jesus were two completely different things

fourvetta · October 26, 2009

Yahoo message 1625

And I saw Heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and HE WHO sat upon it is called FAITHFUL AND TRUE; and in righteousness HE judges and wages war.

And HIS eyes are a flame of fire; and upon HIS head are many diadems; and HE has a NAME written upon HIM which no one knows except HIMSELF.

And HE is clothed with a robe dipped in blood; and HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD.

And the armies which are in Heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following HIM on white horses.

And from HIS mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it HE may smite the nations; and HE will rule them with a rod of iron; and HE treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of GOD, THE ALMIGHTY.

And on HIS robe and on HIS thigh HE has a NAME written, 'KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.'

Fulfilled in MGR book 4, article 11, verses 12 - 23

Blesses is He who comes in the Name of the Lord !

anonymous · October 28, 2009

JESUS warned HIS disciples of this very thing when HE spoke regarding HIS return:

"And JESUS answered them, 'See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in MY name, saying, 'I am the CHRIST,' and they will lead many astray'." (Matthew 24:4-5)

"And JESUS began to say to them, 'See that no one leads you astray. Many will come in MY name, saying, 'I am HE!' and they will lead many astray'." (Mark 13:5-6)

Since JESUS' ascent to Heaven, history has been replete with "end-time messenger messiahs" and mgr was just one of these "many" whom JESUS warned about --- there were, are and will continue to be "many" more prior to HIS return.

What else can one say after all that's been said except to reiterate the obvious --- fourvetta, like his dyed-in-the-wool s&l compatriots, is a deceived, blind, lost soul who cannot discern between a counterfeit and the real JESUS (of Nazareth).

The reason?

Because he/they willfully chooses to stubbornly and defiantly deny/reject the [written] word of GOD thus does not know (intimately, personally) THE [iNCARNATE] WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD WHO IS THE TRUTH WHO IS THE KING of [all] kings and LORD of [all] lords.

Sad, but so be it...

fourvetta · October 29, 2009

Christiandom waits in anticipation for the fulfillment of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ as described in Revelations 19 as a future event.

Not understanding, because of ignorance of the Word of God and because of delusion of the letter, that It has been fulfilled and in fulfillment.

Waiting for the Marriage of the Lamb when His wife already conceived and gave birth to His Son.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”

8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

9 Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.”

As Christ Himself said, "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son."

His Name shall be called the Word of God.

anonymous · October 31, 2009

HIS NAME is called THE WORD OF GOD (Revelation 19:13) WHO is GOD (John 1:1-18) WHO is THE TRUTH (John 14:6) WHO is none other than.......JESUS [of Nazareth] WHO indwells all HIS believers and followers in spirit, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH/THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHOM fourvetta and his deceived, blind and lost s&l cohorts continue to deny/reject thus do not know intimately, personally thus do not possess the gift of discernment given only by THE HOLY SPIRIT/THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH (1 Corinthians 12:10) thus cannot discern (and never will until they come to THE TRUTH - John 14:6) between counterfeits and the real JESUS.

CHRISTians continue to pray for fourvetta and his confused clan...

fourvetta · October 31, 2009

HIS NAME is called THE WORD OF GOD (Revelation 19:13) WHO is GOD (John 1:1-18) WHO is THE TRUTH (John 14:6) WHO is none other than.......JESUS [of Nazareth] WHO indwells all HIS believers and followers in spirit, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH/THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHOM fourvetta and his deceived, blind and lost s&l cohorts continue to deny/reject thus do not know intimately, personally thus do not possess the gift of discernment given only by THE HOLY SPIRIT/THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH thus cannot discern (and will never until they come to THE TRUTH - John 14:6) between counterfeits and the real JESUS.

Excuse me.

The Son of the Married wife of Jesus Christ IS called the Word of God. Also known as the Spirit of Truth. As IN present tense.

As You said, WHO is none other than.......JESUS [of Nazareth]WHO indwells all HIS believers and followers in spirit, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH/THE HOLY SPIRIT,

And we know according to the word of Jesus Christ, that Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in unforgivable. In this age or the next.

Continuing on;

In like anticipation, Christiandom waits for the descent of the New Heavenly City of New Jerusalem to the earth as described in Revelations 21, as a future event.

Waiting for the access for entrance into the city so they can have access to the Tree of Life and live forever with God and His Lamb.

Also because of ignorance of the Word of God and delusion of the letter, they do not recognize that it has been fulfilled and in fulfillment.

Molokans are not excluded from this delusion.

Christ promised to His believers; “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts."

In another place;

10 Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water. Whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life."

This River of Life flows from the Tree of Life, which is in the Middle of Paradise. Which is found within the Walls of the Heavenly City of New Jerusalem.

Those who believe this is a future event, confirm that they themselves, are outside of the Heavenly City, with the unbeliever and the immoral.

With no forgiveness of any sin whatsoever.

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

Who drinks from this Living Water have their names inscribed into the Book of Life. MGR Book 9 article 22: 7 - 10

This Living Water is given freely without any payment, and not by any hireling.

anonymous · November 1, 2009

The Son of the Married wife of Jesus Christ IS called the Word of God. Also known as the Spirit of Truth.

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

"In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with GOD, and THE WORD was GOD. HE was in the beginning with GOD. All things were made through HIM, and without HIM was not any thing made that was made. In HIM was life, and the life was the light of men." (John 1:1-4; cf Psalm 33:6; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2; 1 John 1:1; 1 John 1:2)

"THE TRUE LIGHT (Matthew 17:2; John 8:12, 9:5, 12:46), which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. HE was in the world, and the world was made through HIM, yet the world did not know HIM. HE came to HIS own, and HIS own people did not receive HIM. But to all who did receive HIM, who believed in HIS NAME, HE gave the right to become children of GOD (Romans 8:15; Galatians 3:26; 1 John 3:1), who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of GOD."

And THE WORD became flesh and dwelt among us (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:16; Luke 1:31; Luke 2:7; Colossians 2:9), and we have seen HIS glory, glory as of the only SON from THE FATHER, full of grace and truth. (John bore witness about HIM, and cried out, "This was HE of WHOM I said, 'HE WHO comes after me ranks before me, because HE was before me.'") And from HIS fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through JESUS CHRIST. No one has ever seen GOD; the only GOD, WHO is at THE FATHER'S side, HE has made HIM known." (John 1:9-18)

As the written word of GOD clearly states, THE WORD OF GOD WHO is.......GOD WHO "...became flesh and dwelt among us..." is none other than.......JESUS of Nazareth (THE CHRIST), WHO IS THE TRUE LIGHT which enlightens everyone, WHO was coming into the world, and was rejected by HIS own people (Hebrews/Israelites/Jews).

And as the written word of GOD clearly states:

"But to all who did receive HIM, who believed in HIS NAME, HE gave the right to become children of GOD, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of GOD."

Therefore there is no one (singular) "The Son of the Married wife of Jesus Christ...." as fourvetta believes (who no doubt is mgr to both mgr's and fourvetta's warped minds).

REPEAT: All believers and followers of THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD WHO IS THE TRUE LIGHT WHO IS JESUS [THE CHRIST] are "sons and daughters" aka "children" (plural) of GOD born [again] of GOD.

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

JESUS speaking to HIS disciples:

"'And I will ask THE FATHER, and HE will give you another HELPER, to be with you forever, even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, WHOM the world cannot receive, because it neither sees HIM nor knows HIM. You know HIM, for HE dwells with you and will be in you.'" (John 14:16-17)

"'But THE HELPER, THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHOM THE FATHER will send in MY NAME, HE will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.'" (John 14:26)

As the written word of GOD clearly states, prior to HIS departure to Heaven to be at the right hand of THE FATHER, JESUS promised that HE would not leave HIS believers and followers as orphans but will ask THE FATHER for "another HELPER" to be sent not only to dwell with HIS believers and followers, but to dwell in them. JESUS clearly identifies THE HELPER as.......THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH WHO IS.......THE HOLY SPIRIT.......WHO will indwell JESUS' believers and followers and "'...teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.'"

And true to HIS word:

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

"When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from Heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with THE HOLY SPIRIT and began to speak in other languages as THE SPIRIT gave them utterance." (Acts 2:1-4)

And being filled with THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, the Apostle John testified:

"In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with GOD, and THE WORD was GOD. HE was in the beginning with GOD. All things were made through HIM, and without HIM was not any thing made that was made. In HIM was life, and the life was the light of men." (John 1:1-4; cf Psalm 33:6; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2; 1 John 1:1; 1 John 1:2)

"THE TRUE LIGHT (Matthew 17:2; John 8:12, 9:5, 12:46), which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. HE was in the world, and the world was made through HIM, yet the world did not know HIM. HE came to HIS own, and HIS own people did not receive HIM. But to all who did receive HIM, who believed in HIS NAME, HE gave the right to become children of GOD (Romans 8:15; Galatians 3:26; 1 John 3:1), who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of GOD."

And THE WORD became flesh and dwelt among us (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:16; Luke 1:31; Luke 2:7; Colossians 2:9), and we have seen HIS glory, glory as of the only SON from THE FATHER, full of grace and truth. (John bore witness about HIM, and cried out, "This was HE of WHOM I said, 'HE WHO comes after me ranks before me, because HE was before me.'") And from HIS fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through JESUS CHRIST. No one has ever seen GOD; the only GOD, WHO is at THE FATHER'S side, HE has made HIM known." (John 1:9-18)

And being filled with THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, the Apostle Paul testified:

"For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in CHRIST, and individually members one of another." (Romans 12:4-5)

"For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with CHRIST. For in ONE SPIRIT we were all baptized into one body---Jews or Greeks, slaves or free---and all were made to drink of ONE SPIRIT." (1 Corinthians 12:12)

"CHRIST IS THE IMAGE of the invisible GOD, the firstborn of all creation; for in CHRIST all things were created, in Heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities---all things were created through CHRIST and for CHRIST.

CHRIST is before all things, and in CHRIST all things hold together.

CHRIST IS THE HEAD of the body, the church; CHRIST is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything CHRIST might be preeminent.

For in CHRIST all the fullness of GOD was pleased to dwell, and through CHRIST all things are reconciled to GOD, whether on earth or in Heaven, making peace by the blood of HIS cross." (Colossians 1:15-20)

Please note that all things, whether on earth or in Heaven, are reconciled to GOD through CHRIST [JESUS] --- not through anyone or anything other than JESUS of Nazareth (THE CHRIST).

And being filled with THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, the Apostle John testified:

"Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, 'Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of THE LAMB.' And he carried me away in THE SPIRIT to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven from GOD, having the glory of GOD, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal." (Revelation 21:9-11)

"And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is THE LORD GOD THE ALMIGHTY and THE LAMB. And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of GOD gives it light, and its lamp is THE LAMB. By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day---and there will be no night there. they will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in THE LAMB'S book of life." (Revelation 21:22-27)

As the written word of GOD clearly states, the one bride/wife of THE LAMB is.......the holy city Jerusalem.......which consists of all believers and followers of THE LAMB WHO IS JESUS of Nazareth WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD WHO IS THE TRUE LIGHT which enlightens and is the life of all men.

WHOM fourvetta and his devoted s&l compadres continue to be blinded to....

fourvetta · November 1, 2009

And as the written word of GOD clearly states:

"But to all who did receive HIM, who believed in HIS NAME, HE gave the right to become children of GOD, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of GOD."

And of the New name of Jesus Christ, and of those who believe in His New Name, He gave them the right to become the children of God.

Christ Himself said;

17 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.”’

"Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, 'Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of THE LAMB.' And he carried me away in THE SPIRIT to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven from GOD, having the glory of GOD, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal." (Revelation 21:9-11)

"And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is THE LORD GOD THE ALMIGHTY and THE LAMB. And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of GOD gives it light, and its lamp is THE LAMB. By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day---and there will be no night there. they will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in THE LAMB'S book of life." (Revelation 21:22-27)

As the written word of GOD clearly states, the one bride/wife of THE LAMB is.......the holy city Jerusalem.......

Christ Himself said speaking of someone other than Himself.

11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

As the Prophet Micah said;

2 Many nations shall come and say,

“ Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob;

He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths.”

For out of Zion the law shall go forth, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

One can only enter Zion through its Gate. MGR book 13 article 2

The Word of the Lord comes from Jerusalem, the city of the great King of the Lord God Almighty.

fourvetta · November 2, 2009

"For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in CHRIST, and individually members one of another." (Romans 12:4-5)

"For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with CHRIST. For in ONE SPIRIT we were all baptized into one body---Jews or Greeks, slaves or free---and all were made to drink of ONE SPIRIT." (1 Corinthians 12:12)

Every member of the body has its specific purpose.

MGR Book 7 page 373

I am the fountain continually flowing out of the mountain of Zion and eternally dug by the hand of God Almighty.

Of this the scriptures clearly speaks, "Out of His belly shall flow rivers of living water."

For just as Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, I am the heart of every living body.

A Body without a heart is not a living Body. The Life in the Blood cannot flow to the rest of its members.

Disciple · November 3, 2009

One can only enter Zion through its Gate. MGR book 13 article 2

The Word of the Lord comes from Jerusalem, the city of the great King of the Lord God Almighty.

fourvetta,

MGR calls himself the "gates of zion", when I was recently talking with a young man in clark street he told me that before we can get into the door (Jesus Christ), we have to enter the gate (Maxim).

Also recently I was talking with a young man from russian (a molokan), we were talking about martyrs for Christ and I shared with him a sotry that happened about 40 years ago in Russia, where a young teenage christian girl was martyred for the testimony of Jesus Christ, (we were talking about martyrs). He told me that we cannot mix, that there are twelve gates in the kingdom, our gate is maxim gavrilovich, and that we can't mix with others because they have their own gate.

Is this what you are saying?

fourvetta · November 3, 2009

MGR calls himself the "gates of zion", when I was recently talking with a young man in clark street he told me that before we can get into the door (Jesus Christ), we have to enter the gate (Maxim).

At the entrance of the Gate of the Millennial Kingdom are placed his Gate keepers.

33 Смотрите, бодрствуйте, молитесь, ибо не знаете, когда наступит это время.

34 Подобно как бы кто, отходя в путь и оставляя дом свой, дал слугам своим власть и каждому свое дело, и приказал привратнику бодрствовать.

35 Итак бодрствуйте, ибо не знаете, когда придет хозяин дома: вечером, или в полночь, или в пение петухов, или поутру;

anonymous · November 3, 2009

fourvetta,

MGR calls himself the "gates of zion", when I was recently talking with a young man in clark street he told me that before we can get into the door (Jesus Christ), we have to enter the gate (Maxim).

Is this what you are saying?

No doubt fourvetta will provide his own convoluted response (give him a little time to concoct something), however, this is precisely what fourvetta is saying; he's simply reiterating what he has stated previously:

On September 4, 2004:

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself comes with a new name, King of Spirits and God to the faithful. Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord. MGR Book 4 pov. 11: 12-24 (How Many Jumpers?, Post #6)

On September 11, 2004:

The new name of Jesus Christ is King of Spirits and God to the faithfull. (Fourvetta, Who Is Jesus Part II?, Post #5)

On January 22, 2006:

Maxim says,"I am the Gate of Zion and the entrance to the land of the living."

The Second Coming and the New Name of Jesus Christ is the King of Spirits and God to the faithfull. (What Is A Molokan?. Post #51)

On June 11, 2006:

So yes. The kingdom of God came to us in the 19th century......" (The Word of God, Post #3)

On August 15, 2006:

Today, the King of Spirits is the Gate and the entrance unto the path of the land of the living. The thousand year kingdom of Christ on earth. No one can come to Christ but through him. (Spiritual Marriage Discussion, Post #47)

On the same day, August 15, 2006:

Christ said, "I am the Door. No one comes to the Father but through Me."

The King of Spirits is the Gate of Zion which leads to the Door, which in turn leads to the Father...... (Spiritual Marriage Discussion, Post #50)

(Perhaps fourvetta believes that his beloved hero was a kind of symbolic "vestibule"???)

Incidently, in his quote "Christ said, 'I am the Door. No one comes to the Father but through Me," as is true to his character, fourvetta "mixed up" two passages:

1. "I am the door. If anyone enters by ME, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture." (John 10:9)

2. "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)

To add insult to injury, fourvetta believes and asserts that JESUS of Nazareth's second coming occurred in Russia in the 19th century when HE came with HIS new name "king of spirits" in the person of maxim gavrilovitch rudometkin (as seen in his statements above).

No CHRISTian likes to think that he/she is "wasting time" in presenting the word of GOD because they know HIS word never comes back void, however, there is a point at which wisdom dictates "enough, the person just isn't getting it..." and unfortunately such is the case with fourvetta. The responses therefore aren't necessarily personally and specifically to fourvetta but are for the purpose of exposing and dispelling fallacy whatever the source.

BTW, the terms "door" and "gate" are interchangeable and simply mean: entrance, entranceway, entryway, entree, entry - something that provides access (to get in or get out).

EXAMPLE:

JESUS said: "I am the door. If anyone enters by ME, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture." (John 10:9)

Translations such as the NIV, ISV, GWT use the term "gate."

(So according to fourvetta's belief that one must first enter through "the gate" (mgr), all believers/CHRISTians living prior to the advent of maxim gavrilovitch rudometkin (the gate), did not have access to THE DOOR/GATE.......JESUS of Nazareth; humanity had to wait for "the gate" (mgr) in order to access THE DOOR/THE GATE.......JESUS of Nazareth. Yeh, that makes a whole lotta sense....)

GENERAL WARNING: DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT "go there" with fourvetta regarding these terms (or anything else for that matter) unless you're prepared to deal with "jello."

fourvetta · November 3, 2009

The church in Corinth also thought they could enter the Kingdom of God, bypassing Its Gate.

1This is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God.

2 Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy.

3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself.

4 For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.

7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

8 Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! Without us you have become kings! And would that you did reign, so that we might share the rule with you!

19 But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I will find out not the talk of these arrogant people but their power.

20 For the kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power.

But they had Nothing of their own, but only from the Apostles teachings.

seeking_truth_1 · November 4, 2009

A: The Word is alive and sharper than any 2 edged sword

B: His Word will go out and not return void

FV is warped...yet there is still hope for those who think the s&l is "God inspired"

Put out as much information as you can and CAUSE people to do their homework

“For the word of God [is] living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Heb 4:12 NKJV)

“10 "For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater,

11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper [in the thing] for which I sent it.” (Isa 55:10-11 NKJV)

You Words are the nails in FV's (and all who believe the same) coffin unto eternal damnation

Sorry to be so blunt...

fourvetta · November 5, 2009

MGR calls himself the "gates of zion", when I was recently talking with a young man in clark street he told me that before we can get into the door (Jesus Christ), we have to enter the gate (Maxim).

Also recently I was talking with a young man from russian (a molokan), we were talking about martyrs for Christ and I shared with him a sotry that happened about 40 years ago in Russia, where a young teenage christian girl was martyred for the testimony of Jesus Christ, (we were talking about martyrs). He told me that we cannot mix, that there are twelve gates in the kingdom, our gate is maxim gavrilovich, and that we can't mix with others because they have their own gate.

Is this what you are saying?[/font]

Christ said;

40 "He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me.

41 Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward.

42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."

The Testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Prophesy.

As far as martyrdom, the Catholic religion has martyrs. Doesn't mean they died for the truth.

Disciple · November 6, 2009

MGR calls himself the "gates of zion", when I was recently talking with a young man in clark street he told me that before we can get into the door (Jesus Christ), we have to enter the gate (Maxim).

At the entrance of the Gate of the Millennial Kingdom are placed his Gate keepers.

33 Смотрите, бодрствуйте, молитесь, ибо не знаете, когда наступит это время.

34 Подобно как бы кто, отходя в путь и оставляя дом свой, дал слугам своим власть и каждому свое дело, и приказал привратнику бодрствовать.

35 Итак бодрствуйте, ибо не знаете, когда придет хозяин дома: вечером, или в полночь, или в пение петухов, или поутру;

fv,

Three questions.

Would you consider maxim gavrilovich one of those gate keepers?

Are there others that you would consider gate keepers?

If so, Who?

fourvetta · November 7, 2009

Would you consider maxim gavrilovich one of those gate keepers?

The King of Spirits is not the Gate keeper, but the Gate itself and the entrance into the Millennial Kingdom. Read MGR book 13 articles 1 and 2

As Christ said, "The Kingdom of God is within you."

Molokans everywhere celebrate Kusha as a future event, not realizing that they have not entered into the Kingdom of God but are outside of It.

As God swore in His wrath if they do not enter into it, they shall not enter.

MGR book 8 article 1: 11 - 14

The Spirit of Comfort is today made manifest to all as the eternal mediator, straight through Jesus Christ unto God His Father.

And truly He, Jesus Christ, is the very One that has anointed me personally as a King and Prophet for a Thousand years and has therein given me a new name, AKhmet Ulia.

He has clearly confined in me the new law of freedom and the forgiveness of all sins through me, His anointed. But only those who believe upon Him.

In other words if one does not believe in the Lords anointed King of Spirits, He does not believe in Jesus Christ.

Are there others that you would consider gate keepers?

He who quickly believes my new teaching will be the first to whom I shall give a new name in the Holy Tongue. He will always be equal to me in spirit and be like unto me and also my new promised wife.

A Principle member of Mount Zion of the Woman clothed in the Sun. All such like unto us, I shall name the newly promised Israel.

I shall eliminate all the names of such persons from the fatal teachings, the ecumenical calendars and give to each member his own name.

Which can never be erased in heaven or on the earth from the book of the Living Lamb.

For I believe this myself and always speak by that Spirit.

Cam you, Disciple, agree with this?

For it helps to know what is written and not be ignorant to it.

anonymous · January 9, 2010

No doubt disciple discovered from fourvetta’s responses that direct dialogue with fourvetta is fruitless as the man is hopelessly drenched with and entrenched in his counterfeit “god, christ/messiah/spirit” aka mgr.

Just as disciples of JESUS CHRIST aka CHRISTians have the mind of JESUS, THE CHRIST/MESSIAH thus in everything HE is preeminent, so believers and followers of a counterfeit/substitute “christ/messiah” aka “the new Jewish Messiah” have the mind of their beloved final principal hero thus in everything (to/for them) he is preeminent.

Just as disciples of JESUS CHRIST aka CHRISTians believe/have faith in their LORD and SAVIOR, JESUS of Nazareth and HIS word(s), so believers and followers of mgr believe/have faith in their lord and savior, mgr of Nikitino and his word(s).

Again, this should come as no surprise to CHRISTians for their LORD and SAVIOR, CHRIST JESUS of Nazareth warned them:

“And JESUS answered them, ‘See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in MY name, saying, 'I am the CHRIST,' and they will lead many astray’." (Matthew 24:4-5)

"And JESUS began to say to them, ‘See that no one leads you astray. Many will come in MY name, saying, 'I am HE!' and they will lead many astray’.” (Mark 13:5-6)

From Muhammad to Rudometkin to Smith to Moon to Hinn to Murray, there have been, are, and will be many “final/end-time messenger/messiahs” as JESUS warned HIS disciples.

These are SCRIPTURE twisters; false teachers who “manipulate” THE HOLY SCRIPTURES in attempts to “fit” their own misinterpretations (deliberate and/or ignorant) of GOD’S word(s); false teachers who “strain gnats and swallow camels” erring in the same way the scribes and Pharisees did in JESUS’ day making much of the little details in THE HOLY SCRIPTURES but missing the main point(s).

Apostle Peter described SCRIPTURE twisters as “untaught and unstable” (2 Peter 3:16b). Imperative as it relates to SCRIPTURE twisters is Apostle Peter’s instruction for JESUS’ disciples to “...grow in the grace and knowledge of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST” (verse 18a) as HE is the focal point of their testimony (aka the spirit of prophecy - Revelation 19:10b).

To be “untaught” (thus “unstable”) is to be “ignorant” in/of the written word of GOD aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES thus THE INCARNATE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD.......JESUS of Nazareth, and the message of salvation by/through/in GOD/DEITY alone/only.

In his letter to Timothy, Apostle Paul exhorted him to “…continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in CHRIST JESUS. All SCRIPTURE is breathed out by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of GOD may be competent, equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:14-17)

Conversely, to be “taught” (thus “stable”) is to be “knowledgeable” in the written word of GOD aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES thus THE INCARNATE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD.......JESUS of Nazareth, WHOSE:

“...DIVINE power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of HIM WHO called us to HIS own glory and excellence, by which HE has granted to us HIS precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the DIVINE nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. For this reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection (phileo) with love (agape). For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our LORD JESUS CHRIST. For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into THE ETERNAL KINGDOM of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.” (2 Peter 1:3-11)

These qualities --- faith, virtue, knowledge, self-control, steadfastness, godliness, brotherly affection, and love are in.......CHRIST JESUS WHO IS THE WAY (John 14:6) aka THE DOOR/GATE (entrance) into HIS ETERNAL KINGDOM.

Apostle Paul warned his fellow CHRISTians:

“I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.” (Acts 20:29-30)

SCRIPTURE twisters have ulterior motives which are far from pure. The teachings of SCRIPTURE twisters are self-serving and for some, their twisted teaching is rooted in the ambition to have a personal following as the Apostle Paul wrote (Acts 20:29-30 above).

Then there are those who twist SCRIPTURE to indulge their fleshly lusts (Titus 1:10-16; 2 Peter 2:10-22; Jude 18). Their approach to SCRIPTURE is not at all like that of the psalmist: “Deal bountifully with YOUR servant, that I may live and keep YOUR word. Open my eyes, that I may behold wonderful things from YOUR law.” (Psalm 119:17-18)

Instead, they “follow after their own lusts” (2:3). They exploit their victims out of greed (2:3) and not out of a genuine love and concern (see 2 Peter 1:12-15; 1 Thessalonians 2:3-12).

The appeal of these SCRIPTURE twisters is in providing a pretext for self-indulgence and sin for their followers, as well as themselves. They entice those who are immature and vulnerable (2 Peter 2:14, 18; see 2 Timothy 3:6-7). While teachers of SCRIPTURAL truths call for the saints to “abstain from fleshly lusts” (Romans 13:14; Galatians 5:16, 24; 1 Peter 2:11), SCRIPTURE twisters assure their followers that they can indulge the flesh (Jude 4) with no consequences.

A classic example is fourvetta’s beloved hero, maxim gavrilovitch rudometkin, and his memoirs which are all about, you guessed it......mgr, mgr, more mgr, and the “Solomon-like” lifestyle practiced and promoted by him in his “new millennial kingdom.”

dhs’ preface from his 1971 work copy:

“This section from the originals of Maxim G. Rudometkim starts at the beginning of that which is called the forteenth (14) book, third (3) chapter in the 1928 edition of the Spirit and Life. And continues until the end of the bk 14 manuscript. (Contains chap 3, 4, 2:1 - XIII, 7:1 - 3 3/4, & 27)”[/b]

And the text:

“This is about all of my newly acquired wives who I will write about here, in detail, about their union and separation from me. To begin with, I'll mention how they were first joined to me and how, at that time, we were publicly joined in wedlock, by God himself and the Spirit of His Christ, together with the blessing given by laying on of hands of all their parents and also the prophetic word of the witness and activity of the spirit through Emilian, the prophet, who publicly joined me to them by the union of our willing hot love, producing an eternal, unseparable, holy new covenant, like a key and its lock, and the immortal life in both our loins, for 1000 years.

For this reason, we, in his holy union, all ate and drank together and almost all slept in the same bed together and verily, in this holy matrimony, we all kissed and thrust together, producing great joy, as the spirit inspired us to do and as is befitting any everlasting wedlock. But the key was not put into the lock, for the time had not yet come for that. God had not yet told us to do that, just as in Adam and Eve's case in the Paradise. This was done by the serpent, but not by God, so I stood strong and did not allow their will, before the proper time, to taste of the forbidden fruit and did not give them the key. But I waited for all of that as God, by the spirit, had told me to do.

To this then are many witnesses, almost all of my chosen people who believe in me. And they were all completely happy with these, my spiritual marriages, and willing to wait for intercourse with me, as I was their holy husband. The first of these, my beloved wives, was Stenya and Varya and the rest like unto them, who now in my absence, inspired by Satan himself and without taking account of our eternal holy new marriage, almost all of them, suddenly, because of their defiled lustfulness, have lifted their adulterous tails to the dogs like a bitch in heat. And all of them took themselves husbands who are not their lawful husbands but adulterous sons of Satan in bodily form, for which reason in these god-despised mismatches, they now indulge in adultery, like unclean beasts or defiled swine, and have become demon-possessed, by God's will.

For this reason, any children born of them are cursed or like the bastard children of prostitutes and all of these unlawful children are consigned, by God, to everlasting death without chance of resurrection, as it is written, without respite. And anyone who, today, will beat them, God will make holy for it. It would have been better for all of you, my new wives, to have never known this, my new path, which is eternal for all who walk it rightly. For it is true, not false, just like an arrow, straight to Zion, destined. But you did not desire it but chose, instead, to go the way of adultery, like cattle with bulls or you with your cursed husbands.

You have forgotten me, your God-annointed husband and king. For you all know very well what my spirit always clearly told you that you would not seek another husband besides me and not to give your virginity or holy Eve-like chastity to any deceiving serpent but only to me, your Adam. For what you had secreted in you was meant only for me, your God-given husband. For this reason, I am filled with wrath for you, for you have all defiled yourselves and joined yourselves with cursed demons everywhere and I can have patience with you no longer.

Only because of your need for salvation will I change my curse upon you but your husbands and children will eternally be cursed of me, and them, I will wipe off the face of the earth. But you, I'll again receive eternally, as wives, so as not to gratify this evil spirit of Satan, or to say, Simon Rudakoff and Maxim Plenin and Vasili Sikitin, for I remember that you were my eternal wives and concubines, like King Solomon within his worldwide kingdom.

Although it is very repugnant and defiling this, your devilish evil, in which you, in my absence, allowed demons to be delivered into you, but I will clean all of this with the sword and fire, off of your outer man, but inwardly I will apply my own salve and heal you down there. Then, in the wrath of my spirit, for your defilement of me, through your demon-possessed adultery, I'll give you all different names…not good names but perverted and even foul ones.

First, Stenkoo, I will name Idessa, in that she, for the longest time, in my absence, was compelled to lie entirely [under the demon] for the sake of his demonic adultery. And likewise, Varookhoo, I will name Akhvatoosya, in that she, in her own desire, because of her own adultery, stretched herself fully naked, completely for the demon. Leksookhoo, I will name Pikhtoosya, in that she disobeyed me and found for herself, for the sake of powerful adultery, right to the very bottom, the pushy demon. Doonookhoo, I will name Nakhmanisa, in that she, without my permission, the swine, stretched her ass willfully, right onto the demon. Vasookhoo, I will name Akhtanisa, in that she, in carnal adultery, fell in love, willfully, directly with the demon. Manookhoo, I will name Zhamelyoosya, in that she, willfully, adulterously, allowed [into herself] the hot demon. Groonyookhoo, I will name Pertagoosya, in that she, not of her own initiative, with the love of her flogged ass lifted [it] up for adultery for a fat demon. All of you equally, bypassed me and strongly defiled yourselves in this eternal demonic adultery.

For this reason, you are not worthy to receive, with me, the primary glory in Israel and to be called with the holy seven names, according to the count of the seven spirits of God, which had been appointed to you by me before the creation of the world. Verily, these names will be given to my other new wives who are undefiled virgins, but you, I appoint now to only please me in physical union, or to more directly say, with such pumping of your much-used, broken women's bellies.

The children I will begat through you will be everlastingly blessed, as David did to his wife when she returned home to him. But if any of you will not submit to me or have my children, then those, right now, together with their demon-husbands, I'll kill and I'll do the same thing with all those blasphemers and adulterers against this true spirit and those who hate me, the king of the world, like Simon and Levin, because of their sister, Denya, or like King David, because of his wife, Michal, or maybe even more harshly, as in David's 100th Psalm: 'For these adulterers, with others' wives, always have judgment of death placed on them by God Himself.' For as the holy Apostle Paul said, 'a woman is tied to her living husband, by the law, until his death and only then can she be joined to another.’

And now, because of you and what you've done, I must again, a second time, choose out seven new wives, all chosen, undefiled virgins, which, for eternity, will not know the bed of another husband but me. And so I, their new husband, Youlia, will place them over you like mistresses and queens according to the Psalm in which David sings about presenting a queen on your right, in luxurious raiment, and they will lead forth the king of virgins unto her, unto the house of the king and under the crown of the glory of all Israel....and immortality for all of us for 1000 years. And so I, in my day, with the aid of the Holy Spirit and the will of my God, will give all seven of these, my new wives, eternal holy names according to the title of their new heavenly names, by the number of the seven spirits of God that eternally abide upon me."

“Concerning this, the prophet Isaiah speaks that at the time when the glorious light of our God shines upon the earth: ‘Then will be given seven wives to one man, who God Himself will call His son, the administrator of the kingdom of all the universes.” [isa. 4:1] (mgr - book 6, article 9, lines 1-10)

SCRIPTURE twisters may include both teachers (Romans 1:18-32; 2 Timothy 3:8, 13) and their pupils (2 Peter 3:16; 2 Timothy 3:6-7; 2 Peter 2:14). While the context of chapters 2 and 3 is false teachers, Apostle Peter’s words in verse 16 are not restricted only to false teachers but to any who are “untaught” and “unstable,” who wish to justify their ungodly conduct.

Those who twist SCRIPTURE and distort the truth of GOD’S word do so, however, to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16; see also John 5:39; Acts 5:20; Romans 2:7-8; Philippians 2:16; contrast 1 Timothy 4:16; (2 Peter 3:16; see also 2 Peter 2:1, 3, 9-13, 20-22; 3:7).

An excellent example on this forum of a SCRIPTURE twister twisting THE HOLY SCRIPTURES to his own destruction:

Jesus Christ who in times past, spoke to us through the prophets, has now spoken to us through His Son, the King of Spirits (maxim gavrilovitch rudometkin). (Deception, Post #51, fourvetta)

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, GOD spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days HE has spoken to us by HIS SON, WHOM HE appointed the heir of all things, through WHOM also HE created the world. HE is the radiance of the glory of GOD and the exact imprint of HIS nature, and HE upholds the universe by the word of HIS power. After making purification for sins, HE sat down at the right hand of THE MAJESTY on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name HE has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

For to which of the angels did GOD ever say, ‘YOU are MY SON, today I have begotten YOU’? Or again, ‘I will be to HIM a father, and HE shall be to ME a son’? And again, when HE brings the firstborn into the world, HE says, ‘Let all GOD’S angels worship HIM.’ Of the angels HE says, ‘HE makes HIS angels winds, and HIS ministers a flame of fire.’

But of THE SON HE says, ‘YOUR throne, O GOD, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of YOUR KINGDOM. YOU have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore GOD, YOUR GOD, has anointed YOU with the oil of gladness beyond YOUR companions.’ And, ‘YOU, LORD, laid the foundations of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of YOUR hands; they will perish, but YOU remain; they will all ear out like a garment, like a robe YOU will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But YOU are the same, and YOUR years will have no end.’ And to which of the angels has HE ever said, ‘Sit at MY right hand until I make YOUR enemies a footstool for YOUR feet’?” (Hebrews 1:1-13)

As the written word of GOD clearly identifies, THE SON in the above Hebrews text is none other than.......JESUS of Nazareth.......THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD by/through WHOM the world was created (Colossians 1:16); WHO upholds the universe by the word of HIS power (Hebrews 1:3; Colossians 1:17); WHO laid the foundations of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are HIS handiwork (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 1:10).

But notice how the SCRIPTURE twister, like his SCRIPTURE twisting s&l brethren, inserted his own perversion and deliberately omitted “the rest of the story” twisting THE HOLY SCRIPTURES for self-serving purposes (i.e., defending his beloved hero, mgr) to his own destruction, i.e., denying/rejecting THE MASTER.......JESUS of Nazareth.

Clearly in light of “the rest of the story” (i.e., Hebrews 1:2a-13), it not only is sheer ignorance of the [written] word of GOD aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES thus ignorance of THE INCARNATE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD WHO IS THE TRUTH (John 14:6), it is blatant blasphemy to believe that “the world was created” by/through a man named maxim gavrilovitch rudometkin, and that he “upholds the universe by the word of his power,” and that he “laid the foundations of the earth in the beginning,” and that “the heavens are the work of his hands.”

But fourvetta and his s&l compatriates’ hearts/minds are --- BLINDED/CLOSED to the truths of GOD’S word(s) regarding the identity of THE SON contained in the remainder of the text thus.......THE TRUTH (John 14:6).

Why?

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

“The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore GOD sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

As the written word of GOD clearly states, because they do not love.......THE TRUTH (John 14:6), and because they do not love (nor desire) THE TRUTH (JESUS) thus are saved from the evil one (the [master] deceiver/liar and [his] deception/lies), they believe a lie (counterfeit christ/messiah aka mgr).

The following is another example of distorting/twisting SCRIPTURE by misappropriating JESUS’ words to HIS disciples:

Christ said;

40 "He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me.

41 Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward.

42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward." (Post #35, fourvetta)

What CHRISTians have and continually maintain (which fourvetta and his s&l brethren continue to be blinded to and in denial of) is the truth that based on his own memoirs, mgr does not fit the profile of those to whom JESUS was/is speaking in the above text; his own testimony/words reveal the truth that mgr was not a disciple of JESUS thus he was not a recipient of JESUS’ words to HIS disciples, therefore, the above passage in support of their beloved hero is inapplicable and a distortion of the truth in context.

When JESUS sent out HIS apostles/disciples HE sent them out as HIS ambassadors/messengers of THE GOOD NEWS/THE GOSPEL --- their [eyewitness] accounts of being with HIM, HIS commands/instructions, HIS doctrines/teachings, HIS promises, HIS testimony, HIS works, HIS will, etc. In short, they were witnesses to HIS life, ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension. Their testimony was (is, and will be).......HIM.......JESUS. These [eyewitness] accounts are documented/recorded in what is known as The New Testament.

It is the reason The New Testament exists for it is just that --- a “testament” (something that serves as tangible proof or evidence) of the fulfillment of prophecies from The Old Testament (something that serves as tangible proof or evidence) regarding THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD.......manifest in the flesh.......THE MESSIAH/CHRIST, JESUS of Nazareth (1 Timothy 3:16), and the purpose(s)/reason(s) for HIS life, death, resurrection, and ascension --- redemption and restoration of the fallen creation.

It is in THE HOLY SCRIPTURES (Old and New Testaments) that THE GOOD NEWS/THE GOSPEL.......the eternal plan of salvation from GOD’S righteous wrath and judgment against HIS enemies/sinners by/through belief/faith in the prophesied MESSIAH/CHRIST, JESUS of Nazareth.......is recorded.

When JESUS’ ambassadors/messengers went out in the world (and go out today) they went/go out with one single purpose --- to spread THE GOOD NEWS of THE GOSPEL of salvation: reconciliation with and restoration to a HOLY GOD against WHOM all have sinned. They gave their [eyewitness] testimonials of THE ONE WHO came to earth to accomplish this GOOD NEWS through HIS life, ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension.......THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS.......GOD manifest in the flesh.......JESUS of Nazareth (1 Timothy 3:16) WHO IS.......THE TRUTH (John 14:6). It was/is in this “spirit,” THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH/THE HOLY SPIRIT, that the body of JESUS CHRIST aka HIS bride/wife aka the church functioned and continues to function, and her purpose is to reflect HIM --- THE TRUE LIGHT --- to the nations/world.

Thus JESUS’ disciples’ “testimony” (past, present, and future) is all about.......JESUS of Nazareth.......which testimony is the spirit of prophecy = forthtelling.......THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD WHO IS.......THE TRUTH (John 14:6).

THE LORD GOD’S plan of redemption for HIS fallen creation from eternity culminated/culminates in the person of.......JESUS of Nazareth. Period. There is no other “good news” as there is no other NAME in Heaven or on earth (not Adam, not Noah, not Abraham, not Moses, not David, not Isaiah, not Hosea, not Matthew, Mark, Luke nor John, and most definitely not any wannabe “end-time messenger/messiahs”), repeat, no other NAME in Heaven or on earth by which one can be saved, justified, regenerated, sanctified, and reconciled/restored to HOLY GOD; no “other way” except HIS way WHO is THE WAY (John 14:6).

And it is within this context that JESUS sent HIS apostles/disciples out as recorded in the passages in Matthew (10:40-42). And to accomplish HIS commission to HIS apostles/disciples HE gave them the power and authority “...over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction” (Matthew 10:1; Luke 9:1), and to “...go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of THE FATHER and of THE SON and of THE HOLY SPIRIT, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:19-20), as the written word of GOD clearly states. (The reason or purpose for “casting out demons, healing the sick, raising the dead, etc.” aka “miracles” was for the glory of GOD and for unbelievers to become believers in THE LORD.......GOD, not for self-aggrandizement.)

On the contrary, false “messiahs/christs,” the likes of mgr, Joseph Smith, and others of the same ilk, were/are self-focused and self-serving.

One has only to read mgr’s memoirs to see that they are all about --- him; his “revelation” about himself and his claims of being “god, christ/messiah, third face,” etc., etc., etc., Unlike JESUS’ disciples, mgr wasn’t leading people to THE LORD AND SAVIOR.......JESUS of Nazareth; he was [mis]leading people to himself, mgr, a delusional heretic who believed his own high-minded fantasies of being “god, christ/messiah, third face,” etc., etc., etc.

Rather than proclaiming THE GOOD NEWS of THE GOSPEL.......JESUS and HIS KINGDOM (into which he would have been transferred had he been a true disciple of JESUS as the apostle Paul attested - Colossians 1:13-14), the imposter, mgr, sought to establish his own little “kingdom” in which he anointed, appointed, and coronated himself as “king” of his own little domain which he claimed as “Mount Zion” of which he not only fantasized himself as “premier king and prophet” but “god, christ/messiah, third face” as seen throughout his memoirs.

Rather than proclaiming THE GOOD NEWS of THE GOSPEL.......JESUS and HIS KINGDOM, the bigamist/polygamist, mgr, fancied himself as a “successor” of King Solomon (see above excerpt from mgr’s memoirs with dhs’ preface from his 1971 work copy), and attempted to live (and promoted) a life modeled/styled not after JESUS (as JESUS’ apostles promulgated and encouraged), but after that of King Solomon and his multiple wives and concubines for which reason he was “married” by the so-called “prophet” (Emilian) to multiple young women (whose parents “blessed” the marriages as do the parents of the [one] bride and [one] groom in fourvetta’s community – as seen in the excerpt from his memoirs above with dhs’ preface from his 1971 work copy), his so-called “spiritual wives” (which concept is non-existent in the written word of GOD aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES).

Rather than proclaiming THE GOOD NEWS of THE GOSPEL.......JESUS and HIS KINGDOM, the pathological egotist claimed to be “god, christ/messiah, spirit of truth,” and a litany of other persons and things found in his memoirs.

Sadly and unfortunately for them, fourvetta and his s&l brethren believe/have faith in/trust their counterfeit “god, christ/messiah, third face” and his words. They insist that their beloved hero “came in the name of THE LORD,” and that if one rejects their beloved hero one rejects THE LORD. This would be a true/truthful statement IF, repeat, IF their beloved hero was a true disciple of THE TRUTH.......THE LORD JESUS CHRIST (John 14:6), however, according to his testimony/words, mgr came in his own names (i.e., admeil, akhmet akhmetovich, akhmet gelgel, enfail savakhan youlia, admeil-ekhvi, alpheil, enfail, fail, felheila, fetmagel youliasaara tsar yures, halveect roosameldan, hosanna narahftan, king of spirits, king yures, new spirit youlia, new youlia(saar), savakhan, youliasaara akhmeta youlia, youlia-yar) as a counterfeit/fraud/imposter aka as a wannabe “god, christ/messiah, third face” who did not preach THE GOOD NEWS/THE GOSPEL but a convoluted/distorted self-absorbed/centered/focused perversion of GOD’S word, an aberration that is faaaaaaaaaaaaar removed from THE GOOD NEWS/THE GOSPEL JESUS’ disciples proclaimed/proclaim and preached/preach.

To reiterate what has been stated numerous times by CHRISTians on this forum --- as much as fourvetta and his s&l brethren wish with all the fibers of their being to believe that their beloved hero was everything (and everyone) he claimed to be, the simple truth is --- he wasn’t. And he wasn’t by the mere fact that GOD’S written word aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES exposes him (based on his own testimony/words) for who he truly/in truth was --- false prophet, false teacher, false god, false christ/messiah, deceptive spirit, and last but not least, a heretic.

And again, this is what his followers just cannot come to grips with because to do so would be to admit/confess that their entire belief system (which is based upon mgr’s teachings/words) is also --- counterfeit/false --- thus they will do anything, repeat, anything --- add, delete, deny, ignore, omit, reconstruct, reject, twist, bend, overlook, stretch, etc. GOD’S word aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES (e.g., fourvetta and the Hebrews 1:1-13 SCRIPTURE above) --- to defend the fake/fraud their beloved final principal hero was and their fake/fraudulent “faith” [in him/his words].

A number of examples of mgr’s blatant contrary-to-THE HOLY SCRIPTURES thus false doctrines/teachings regarding marriage, worship, THE MESSIAH/CHRIST JESUS (KING of [all] kings (Jew and Gentile) and LORD of [all] lords (Jew and Gentile), have been presented on this forum again and again yet his faithful ones willfully choose to turn a blind eye to the falsehoods/untruths/lies. Comparisons between the godly, truthful teachings of JESUS’ apostles, and mgr’s perverted false teachings are habitually ignored and deliberately denied by mgr’s faithful ones.

To the CHRISTian (one who has the mind of CHRIST JESUS), however, mgr’s (like all false teachers’) teachings scream RED FLAG because they are blatantly and diametrically opposed to THE LORD GOD’S teachings found in HIS word(s) aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES. It doesn’t take a scholar to detect the difference, only a heart/mind for THE TRUTH (John 14:6), and the indwelling of HIS SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH/THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO leads men unto all truth [in all matters].

But fourvetta and mgr’s devotees will have nothing to do with confronting the truth regarding their beloved hero’s perverted doctrines/teachings. Instead, like their beloved hero, they seek to camouflage/couch his perverted teachings convincing themselves and marketing them as “spiritual, deep/profound, incomprehensible, unfathomable, etc., etc., etc.,” while continuing in their blindness/darkness to glorify their counterfeit god, christ/messiah, third face (and ultimately his “father,” the master counterfeiter/deceiver).

It is because the mgr devotee is not rooted and grounded in the [written] word of GOD aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES thus THE [iNCARNATE] WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD WHO IS.......JESUS of Nazareth that he is vulnerable to “every wind of doctrine.”

This is the reason he has accepted and believes in a counterfeit “god, christ/messiah, spirit” thus there is no indwelling of THE HOLY SPIRIT/THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH WHOM THE TRUTH (John 14:6) promised would indwell HIS believers and followers thus no truthful tutor to enlighten him between true and false doctrine/teaching.

Objectively testing his beloved hero’s doctrines/teachings with the written word of GOD aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES is therefore not within the scope of the devotee, and any half-baked attempt to do so invariably begins with and is based on his belief/faith in his beloved hero’s false doctrines/teachings rather than belief/faith in the truths of GOD’S words aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES thereby his heart/mind is closed from even considering the possibility that his hero thus he may be in error. Add to the mix stubborn pride and the outcome is deadly (pun intended).

For instance, because the mgr devotee’s head/heart is filled with mgr and his doctrines/teachings, he ignored and/or missed the point of distinctions made between:

1. THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD WHO IS.......JESUS CHRIST; and,

2. THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH WHO IS.......THE HOLY SPIRIT; and,

3. the one bride/wife of JESUS CHRIST aka the church who is.......the children (plural: containing, involving, or composed of more than one person, thing, item, etc.) of GOD.

In light of the truths of THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, therefore, as stated previously, there is no one (singular) “The Son of the Married wife of Jesus CHRIST IS called the Word of God. Also known as the Spirit of Truth,” as the mgr devotee (with his beloved hero in mind) believes and claims, because again:

1. THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD [iNCARNATE/in the flesh] IS.......JESUS CHRIST (John 1:1-18). HE is also THE SON (Hebrews 1:1-13).

fourvetta’s beloved hero was not JESUS CHRIST (even though he attempted to supplant HIM) thus he was not THE WORD OF GOD thus there is no “The Son of the Married wife of Jesus CHRIST IS called the Word of God”.

2. THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IS.......THE HOLY SPIRIT (John 14:16-17, 26).

fourvetta’s beloved hero was not THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH/THE HOLY SPIRIT (even though he believed himself to be) thus there is no “The Son of the Married wife of Jesus CHRIST IS called the Word of God. Also known as the Spirit of Truth”.

3. The [one] bride/wife of JESUS CHRIST aka the church is.......the children/sons and daughters (plural: containing, involving, or composed of more than one person, thing, item, etc.) of GOD.

As the written word of GOD clearly states:

“…to all who did receive HIM (JESUS), who believed in HIS NAME (JESUS), HE (JESUS) gave the right to become children (plural) of GOD, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of GOD” (John 1:12-13).

In other words, all who believed in and received JESUS of Nazareth, are children (plural) as in more than one “son” and “daughter” of GOD thus there is no “The Son (singular) of the Married wife of Jesus CHRIST IS called the Word of God. Also known as the Spirit of Truth.”

REPEAT:

1. THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD IS.......JESUS CHRIST.

2. THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IS.......THE HOLY SPIRIT.

3. The one bride/wife of JESUS CHRIST aka the church is.......the children/sons and daughters (plural: containing, involving, or composed of more than one person, thing, item, etc.) of GOD.

And contrary to fourvetta and his s&l brethren’s desire to believe/have faith in/trust their beloved hero and his testimony/words with all their heart, mind, soul, and strength, the truth of the matter in light of GOD’S word(s) aka THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, is that fourvetta’s beloved hero was neither THE WORD OF GOD WHO IS GOD.......JESUS CHRIST (although he attempted to supplant HIM), nor was he THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH/THE HOLY SPIRIT (although he believed himself to be), and from his own testimony/words, it is highly improbable he was a son of GOD. Which means fourvetta and his s&l companions have incorrectly/wrongly chosen in whom to place their belief/faith/truth hence their deception.

Because the mgr devotee has the mind of his beloved hero, mgr, and not the mind of JESUS CHRIST, it only makes sense that in making his statement: “The Son of the Married wife of Jesus CHRIST IS called the Word of God. Also known as the Spirit of Truth,” he would have in mind his beloved final principal hero, maxim gavrilovitch rudometkin, who (among other things) claimed (and fourvetta believes/trusts) to be:

---the true Spirit, descended from the heavens from God (mgr 1:30:1)

---1st Lord and King of the Spirit of truth (mgr 1:31:8)

---this Spirit who is in person God and the King of new Israel (mgr 8:15:2)

---this Spirit of truth named Gelgel Akhmet Ulia (mgr 8:22:7)

---this true Spirit personified as himself, the man, mgr (mgr 8:26:9)

---Akhmet Akhmetovitch, which is the Spirit of truth (mgr 8:29:3)

---the new Ulia (mgr 9:16:10)

---the Spirit and the bride in the 3rd feature (mgr 9:22:7)

---the spirit of truth named Gelgel Akhmet Ulia (mgr 10:17:7)

---the new Spirit Ulia (mgr 12:9:0)

Like Montanus in the second century, who believed himself to actually be THE HOLY SPIRIT/THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH incarnate/in the flesh, maxim gavrilovitch rudometkin in the nineteenth century also believed himself to actually be THE HOLY SPIRIT/THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH incarnate/in the flesh as seen in his own claims (above).

And like Montanus who claimed that he and his two “prophetesses,” Prisca (aka Priscilla) and Maximilla (who had left their husbands) were the last “prophets” bringing the final revelation to the world, maxim gavrilovitch rudometkin, along with his “prophetesses/queens,” Stenya (Sterafina) and Varya (Varvara), oh, and his “newly betrothed” bride/wife, the other sister (not the half-dead Maria) of Efim Garasimitch Klubnikin, were not only prophets/prophetesses and final revelatory messengers to the world, but they were “Gods” in his own deluded mind and “new millennial kingdom” as he himself wrote:

"Command: A directive of the Spirit of Christ from the highest level, which is to say, the great God whose name is enfael savaghana youlya (mgr), king of all the earth (mgr) to be read and acknowledged by [all those who believe in him], first of all, Emilian (a "prophet"), and Anna, the widow of Garasamitch (Klubnikin) (Efim Garasamitch’s mother), then her daughter (egk's sister, the daughter of Garasim and Anna Klubnikin, egk's parents), my newly betrothed, with whom I was joined eternally in marriage union, physically, in which she is to always be called my beloved wife, Felhelya, only be careful not to compromise or defile yourself with anyone but me, your king of the jubilee, for I am your eternal husband and jealous in my wrath for any adultery amongst my new wives. "Anyone who would touch any of you will die, no matter who he is," Amen.

And so, after reading this spirit-inspired commandment, my friend, Emilian Enfaelovich, you are visibly to give her (mgr’s newly betrothed who is egk's sister, the daughter of Garasim and Anna Klubnikin, egk's parents), from me, a verbal blessing with the laying on of your prophet hands on her head, with words of the giving of her title.

`Be this young virgin, betrothed by name, Felhelya, with the rank of jubilee queen and always kept undefiled for your holy husband, named Felhiela (mgr), with the rank of jubilee king, and may you keep your holy bedchamber intact for the entire 1000 years, for your seed is holy, from which shall be born all kings and priests, servants of God on high.'

Then you, Emilian, must at this time, give her a big kiss for me and lead her right to your own home, like a bride for me chosen, where I will consummate our marriage or, to say, become married with the crown of the blessing of God from on high and then you, Emilian, are to place us together in our bed so that we can, before you, complete this secret, together with the joyful tunes of my songs, being unashamed before the whole congregation and the other women and virgins belonging to me will also stand there in my bedchamber, singing new songs about my marriage to her, every day for 1000 years.

Contents of this new song: `I am your new wife, Felhelya, I am the mother and queen of Zion. I am to replace Maria, my sister (another of egk's sister, the daughter of Garasim and Anna Klubnikin, egk's parents). I was born for you, my beloved, to be your eternal wife of which Anna, my mother, did not know a thing about until today.

Through this marriage to you, my holy king (mgr), I wish to wipe away all the sins of my father, Garasimova, and gain resurrection for all my dead relatives, to the third and fourth generation, and allow my mother to live in your home, with me, who you shall personally save from wrath. For truly, she is completely at fault before you, as are my brothers who all defiled themselves in like manner. Be not wrathful with them for they are my kindred and a part of the kingdom of New Israel.

Let this, my song, always be a testimony before my God whom you, my king Felhiela (mgr), always served without trespassing his new law of love and law of judgment for the approaching new age and kingdom of peace on earth for 1000 years.

And let our holy bedlife eternally reign in this physical love and insemination by us both, without end, in the labor of the spirit, and audible songs before all those standing in our bedroom. Amen. Glory to our God, Amen.

Then, this song, to be sung after our lovemaking is finished: `Amen. We thank you, Lord God Almighty, that you joined us so that we could enjoy ourselves in bed and for the physical passing of seed for the fulfillment, in us, of this great deed which you gave to Adam and Eve to do in the paradise, saying to them both, 'grow, multiply and fulfill the earth.'

And today, Lord, you are faithful in all your words and none have been changed from the beginning, neither in heaven nor on earth. And we, your servants, willingly fulfill this labor of our marriage.

We both ask you to grant us conception for the birth of a holy race which will inherit the earth as your sons and daughters, For I and my wife are both Gods of all the earth, Amen, verily.' (mgr - book 10, between articles 17 and 18)

Montanus may have begun with good intentions/motives, however, as with fourvetta’s beloved hero, the progenitor of high-mindedness/pride snared him.

According to the testimony of the early church fathers Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, and Eusebius, Montanus wrote a book entitled "The New Prophecy" in which he taught the following:

When JESUS spoke about sending “another” COMFORTER (John 14:26; 16:7), HE meant in addition to the [first] (as Montanus understood it) outpouring of THE HOLY SPIRIT (Acts 2:1-4), and that Montanus himself was the "another” COMFORTER, the PARACLETE (as mgr believed he was and taught).
THE LORD would soon return and set up THE KINGDOM in Montanus’ hometown of Phrygia (as the cultist Joseph Smith believed and taught that THE KINGDOM would be in Independence, Missouri, and the cultist mgr believed and taught that THE KINGDOM was in Nikitino, Russia)

(Sadly, “The ‘maddening spirit’ caused Montanus to hang himself. A few years later it caused Maximilla to commit suicide in the same way,” wrote Asterius Urbanus - 300-3.2. In the case of mgr, it was the “governing authorities” aka “the servant of GOD, an avenger who carries out GOD’S wrath on the wrongdoer” who exercised justice as Apostle Paul warned in Romans 13:1-4.)

Montanus believed that the Old Testament period had passed and the CHRISTian era of focusing/centering on JESUS of Nazareth had ended. Because he denied the revelation of GOD in the flesh in the person of JESUS CHRIST, he displaced JESUS as the central focus of the CHRISTian faith. The testimony of JESUS, therefore, was removed from the spirit of his prophecy (Revelation 19:10). In JESUS’ place was a greater emphasis on “the new revelation of the Spirit” (WHOM Montanus came to believe himself to actually be just as mgr believed himself to actually be which his devotees believe/have faith/trust in).

And it is from their “foundation” of belief/faith/trust in their beloved hero’s testimony/words, that mgr’s faithful ones continue to fabricate excuses (some to the extent of utter idiocy as witnessed on this forum) in attempts to explain away and justify their beloved hero’s “new revelations of the spirit” (a number of which have been presented on this forum, refuted, and proven to be false in light of THE HOLY SCRIPTURES), however, nothing is more effective in communicating exactly what their beloved hero had in mind than the words of their beloved hero himself. His memoirs are his testimonial of the counterfeit and imposter he truly/in truth was.

Another of many examples of mgr’s attempt to impersonate THE CHRIST/MESSIAH.......JESUS of Nazareth:

“I ask of you, read this letter of mine to all the brothers and sisters among whom the Spirit of God and the law of freedom reign; and keep it in your heart until the day of my advent unto you on Mount Zion.” (mgr 3:1:2)

“My beloved benefactor of Zion! Guard my chamber, which I have closed and sealed until the day of my appearance and advent to you on Mount Zion.” (mgr 4:10:9)

“And perhaps then the general judgment will acquit him. And even then it will be because of me, Zion’s King named Ulesar, the eternal supplicator of all the new Israel, my holy posterity. Amen.” (mgr 13:10:7)

The name and true identity of Zion’s KING, however, is found in the written word of GOD aka:

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

“And in the days of these kings shall THE GOD of Heaven set up a KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and THE KINGDOM shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and IT shall stand for ever.” (D a n i e l 2:44)

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government shall be upon HIS shoulder: and HIS NAME shall be called WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE. Of the increase of HIS government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of THE LORD of hosts will perform this.” (Isaiah 9:6-7)

“Why do the nations rage and the people plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against THE LORD and HIS ANOINTED, saying ‘Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.’ HE WHO sits in the heavens laughs; THE LORD holds them in derision. Then HE will speak to them in HIS wrath, and terrify them in HIS fury, saying, ‘As for ME, I have set MY KING on Zion, MY holy hill.’ I will tell of the decree: THE LORD said to ME, “YOU are MY SON; today I have begotten YOU.’” (Psalm 2:1-7)

“And we bring you the good news that what GOD promised to the fathers, this HE has fulfilled to us their children by raising JESUS, as also it is written in the second Psalm, ‘YOU are MY SON, today I have begotten YOU.’” (Acts 13:32-33)

“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, GOD spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days HE has spoken to us by HIS SON, WHOM HE appointed the heir of all things, through WHOM also HE created the world. HE is the radiance of the glory of GOD and the exact imprint of HIS nature, and HE upholds the universe by the word of HIS power. After making purification for sins, HE sat down at the right hand of THE MAJESTY on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name HE has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

For to which of the angels did GOD ever say, ‘YOU are MY SON, today I have begotten YOU’? Or again, ‘I will be to HIM a father, and HE shall be to ME a son’? And again, when HE brings the firstborn into the world, HE says, ‘Let all GOD’S angels worship HIM.’ Of the angels HE says, ‘HE makes HIS angels winds, and HIS ministers a flame of fire.’

But of THE SON HE says, ‘YOUR throne, O GOD, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of YOUR KINGDOM. YOU have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore GOD, YOUR GOD, has anointed YOU with the oil of gladness beyond YOUR companions.’ And, ‘YOU, LORD, laid the foundations of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of YOUR hands; they will perish, but YOU remain; they will all ear out like a garment, like a robe YOU will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But YOU are the same (Hebrews 13:8), and YOUR years will have no end.’ And to which of the angels has HE ever said, ‘Sit at MY right hand until I make YOUR enemies a footstool for YOUR feet’?” (Hebrews 1:1-13)

“Now when they drew near to Jerusalem and came to Bethphage, to the Mount of Olives, then JESUS sent two disciples, saying to them, ‘Go into the village in front of you and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Untie them and bring them to ME. If anyone says anything to you, you shall say, ‘THE LORD needs them’ and he will send them at once.; This took place to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet (Zechariah 9:9), saying, ‘Say to the daughter of Zion Behold, your KING is coming to you, humble, and mounted on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.’” (Matthew 21:1-5)

(NOTE: Mount Zion or Mount Sion is another name for Jerusalem. Both mean "a parched place.” Its physical locale is on the southwestern most and highest hills on which the higher and more ancient part of Jerusalem was built. The name Mount Zion or Sion is often used of the entire city of Jerusalem. Mount Zion is synonymous with Jerusalem, and is known as THE LORD GOD’S “habitation”; “...daughter of Zion” is a euphemism for “the people of GOD.”)

“HE has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to THE KINGDOM of HIS BELOVED SON, in WHOM we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” (Colossians 1:13-14)

“But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living GOD, the Heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in Heaven, and to GOD, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to JESUS, THE MEDIATOR of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.” (Hebrews 12:22-24)

“Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a KINGDOM that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to GOD acceptable worship, with reverence and awe, for our GOD is a consuming fire.” (Hebrews 12:28-29)

“Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood THE LAMB, and with HIM 144,000 who had HIS NAME and HIS FATHER’S NAME written on their foreheads.” (Revelation 14:1)

So where is fourvetta and his s&l brethren’s “king ulia/ures/ulesar” in all of the above? Why is there no hint or mention of him as “[Mount] Zion’s king” who purportedly was anointed and appointed by both THE FATHER and THE SON, and whose name is known both in Heaven and on earth?

Why?

Simply because, the truth of the matter is, as the written word of GOD clearly states, JESUS of Nazareth is.......KING in/of/on Mount Zion. Which tells us that fourvetta’s final principal hero, like his “father” before him, was one of many delusional heretics who thought more highly of himself than what and who he actually was in reality/truth --- a created being/creature --- not THE CREATOR.

Again, recall what the psalmist wrote regarding THE KING of/on Zion:

“Why do the nations rage and the people plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against THE LORD and HIS ANOINTED, saying ‘Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.’ HE WHO sits in the heavens laughs; THE LORD holds them in derision. Then HE will speak to them in HIS wrath, and terrify them in HIS fury, saying, ‘As for ME, I have set MY KING on Zion, MY holy hill.’ I will tell of the decree: THE LORD said to ME, “YOU are MY SON; today I have begotten YOU.’” (Psalm 2:1-7)

And the fulfillment of this prophecy confirmed by the apostle Paul:

“And we bring you the good news that what GOD promised to the fathers, this HE has fulfilled to us their children by raising JESUS, as also it is written in the second Psalm, ‘YOU are MY SON, today I have begotten YOU.’” (Acts 13:32-33)

And the personal testimony of GOD.......THE FATHER, and witness of the writer of Hebrews regarding [Mount] Zion’s KING:

“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, GOD spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days HE has spoken to us by HIS SON, WHOM HE appointed the heir of all things, through WHOM also HE created the world. HE is the radiance of the glory of GOD and the exact imprint of HIS nature, and HE upholds the universe by the word of HIS power. After making purification for sins, HE sat down at the right hand of THE MAJESTY on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name HE has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

For to which of the angels did GOD ever say, ‘YOU are MY SON, today I have begotten YOU’? Or again, ‘I will be to HIM a father, and HE shall be to ME a son’? And again, when HE brings the firstborn into the world, HE says, ‘Let all GOD’S angels worship HIM.’ Of the angels HE says, ‘HE makes HIS angels winds, and HIS ministers a flame of fire.’

But of THE SON HE says, ‘YOUR throne, O GOD, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of YOUR KINGDOM. YOU have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore GOD, YOUR GOD, has anointed YOU with the oil of gladness beyond YOUR companions.’ And, ‘YOU, LORD, laid the foundations of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of YOUR hands; they will perish, but YOU remain; they will all ear out like a garment, like a robe YOU will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But YOU are the same, and YOUR years will have no end.’ And to which of the angels has HE ever said, ‘Sit at MY right hand until I make YOUR enemies a footstool for YOUR feet’?” (Hebrews 1:1-13)

So again, WHO is Mount Zion’s KING?

As the written word of GOD clearly states, JESUS of Nazareth is.......THE KING in/of/on Mount Zion, and the writer of Hebrews mentions HIM by name:

“But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living GOD, the Heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in Heaven, and to GOD, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to JESUS, THE MEDIATOR of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.” (Hebrews 12:22-24)

Being “Zion’s king” was just one of many of mgr’s psychotic fantasies as seen in his memoirs (please pay attention to the “context” of his fantasy):

dhs’ preface from his 1971 work copy:

“In the originals of Maxim G. Rudometkin this section is found in the tenth (10) book, the fifthteenth (15) chapter, beginning at the eighth (8) verse.”

And the text:

"Oh, the unspeakable messages and secrets of my God, which today, it is impossible for me to write out for I fear, least I might anger Satan incarnate, which is to say Peter and Johnny, who are both sons of Satan, and all the other many like unto them who always aid them in their evil spirit of untruth, through whom I was informed upon to the authorities of the darkness of this age and here I suffer reproach, in mockery, for the truth and now, how long I suffer and am punished because of them (mgr’s wives) innocently.

They think I will submit to them and their beastly faith and bow down to their idols, as Stenya and Varya, who, because of their own adultery, went down on their knees before these sons of everlasting perdition and thus they gave joy to the god of my enemies, against whom I war because of all of you, my friends, who are the New Israel, members of Mount Zion.

And, for which case I ask you, my principal friend, Emilian, that you would, with haste again, erect what is needful to be lifted up in place of the fallen, she who will serve as mother of Zion, queen to all my new home.

Let the daughter of the widow Klubnikin (Efim Garasimitch’s mother) await me, the father of Zion and the king of all my house, as an undefiled virgin in place of her sister, the half-dead Maria (another of Efim Garasimitch’s sisters), with whom I will anew, a second time, light a fire in Zion and will, through her hands, with my spirit, bless all of you.

Let, upon her, the words of the Scripture be fulfilled that the last shall be first and the first last.

For I also, in this generation, am last, but in Zion, I am the premier king and prophet, for which reason I suffer here in prison confinement and will, for this reason, inherit the world and she will sit on my throne in everlasting inheritance and our children, together with her, will reign for the whole 1000 years and we, as heirs of God, will never taste of death but rather be renewed every 100 years and because of our shared holy bed, our faces will shine in beauty like the light of the morning star or like the color of an apple tree against the green of the trees of the forest and even more so shall she and I shine amongst all of you, the sons and daughters of Zion.

And so, see that you quickly sew her a raiment of clean linen, mixed with gold around the neck and hands, but the crown of gold I'll make myself for her.

And so, also, always, you must feed her with the best food and give her to drink of the water of life, from the spring of my fountain, until all her members are filled with the aroma of the paradise-like perfume and if the mother Anna, will not allow this to be or she herself [the daughter] resists being my eternal wife and holy concubine, then I, in my day, will carry out upon them both a judgment by hot fire, changing their homes into ashes.

And their seed I will cut off from under heaven like I did Stenya and Varya and both their accursed husbands and children, or as I did with Avdotsia, the widow of Zahario, who I caused to be burned alive, and also the home of Fetisif, because of her, will be totally destroyed by me.

For, every blasphemy against the spirit is never forgivable, for you all saw how her own grandfather, in the spirit, gave her right into my hands and how the prophet Emilian, in the spirit, married us publicly, to be wife and queen, and after this, she willingly followed after me as a real regular wife and not just for a time or like a concubine, as you all now think happened, now that I'm gone.

But God is not mocked and the Holy Spirit will not be shamed by this marriage. What God joins, let no man put asunder. Only the enemy of man, the Devil, does those things. And it was him that separated them both from me through the caresses of hands and the kissing about the face, at will.

And they were the first to act like a bitch with dogs, sneaking around with lifted skirts in the dark, in secret, near my own paradise, and you, Emilian and Fetice, to this day, don't see what a role the Devil played through those adulteresses accursed of God.

It would appear that you both, my good friends, on that night, were sound asleep with your own wives or did you both forget how I, your Lord, on my last night, brought them both to you and lay them down beside you, right in front of me, on your beds.

You did not keep my instruction to you, that they both were my wives eternally, for which cause I am continually full of wrath against you, day and night, and cry over my separation from them although I knew that without me, Satan would soon take them for wives, for himself.

For even while I was there, they tried to pull them away from me but were unable to for I always held them tightly in my hands, like the fruit of the vine of my new paradise-like vineyard or like fruitful olives under the brilliant heavens, where always I shone upon them like the true light of the sun and the light of the star of my heavenly spirit, in which they always appeared with me upon my bed, in my bedroom, like holy seed for the marriage of the new paradise.

But today, I see them asleep, without me, upon the bed of Satan.

Oh Fetice and Emilian, am I not your Lord who asked you not to allow any unbelievers to ever enter the gathering in my house so that, secretly, the serpent could not enter my paradise to bring them to submission and to seduce them like Eve in the garden. But you both failed! Oh, you unfortunate cattle and fornicating animals, like pigs and rats. Now you both, for the sake of this devilish thrusting and kissing, agreed to exchange the Spirit of Truth for a lie, or to say, God (mgr) for the Devil (normal young men).

Did you not yourselves prophesy that the truth did reign in us both forever and that God is within it, our kingdom on earth and in heaven? Or did you think, for a minute, I would separate from you in a good way? Am I not your principal Lord, by this spirit, that then, in both you and me, abided?

I went alone to this death-producing eternal cross of confinements, in which I ceaselessly am patient, like a fearless heavenly warrior who came down from the throne of the king with a sword of the unfeigned sayings of God, in which I'll not spare any head.

Even if Satan himself gave me the whole universe in exchange for you, I, the servant of the Lord, would not be satisfied. Or, if all the kings' daughters were given to me as wives, in exchange for you, I'd not accept, for it is better to be alone with God than with countless sons and daughters of the Devil.

For I know that out of one righteous man the whole earth can be populated and that the tribes of the wicked will all perish from the earth, no matter who they are, for in my coming new day, they'll all burn like brush in the fire, but I, the jubilee king, together with all my faithful home, will reign on the earth forever and my land will include the entire earth, upon which will descent, everywhere, a visible peace and blessedness, Amen.

And it will continue thus for the whole 1000 years and after that for all eternity."

Faaaaaaaaaaaaar removed, to say the least, from THE [true] KING of Zion.......JESUS of Nazareth, and HIS [everlasting] KINGDOM in which “...nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in THE LAMB’S book of life” (Revelation 21:27).

Contrast JESUS’ KINGDOM (Revelation 21:27 above) with a kingdom of “...the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars” whose “portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death” (Revelation 21:8).

In their stubbornness to make a case for their beloved hero’s false claim as “king of Zion,” mgr’s faithful ones will argue that there are “two” Mount Zions --- the Heavenly Mount Zion where JESUS reigns with 144,000 Jews (Revelation 14:1), and the earthly Mount Zion where mgr purportedly reigned (or will reign).

As stated above, Mount Zion here on earth (the “earthly” Mount Zion) is located on the southwestern most and highest hills in Israel on which the higher and more ancient part of Jerusalem was built.

Now if JESUS reigns on Mount Zion in Heaven (the “Heavenly” Mount Zion) with 144,000 Jews (Revelation 14:1) as mgr’s faithful ones believe and assert in defense of their beloved hero’s claims of being “Zion’s king,” mgr should have/be reigning on Mount Zion on earth (the “earthly” Mount Zion) in Israel.

Did he? Is he?

Unless he is reincarnated in Shimon Peres, he is not.

In fact, mgr claimed to be “premier king and prophet” in a “Mount Zion” he himself attempted to establish in the village of Nikitino in Russia as seen in his memoirs.

mgr’s faithful ones insist, however, that his claim is to be understood in the “spiritual” sense.

Nothing could be plainer than THE LORD GOD HIMSELF WHO IS SPIRIT (John 4:24), and HIS servants, the prophet Isaiah, D a n i e l, the psalmist, the writer of Hebrews, the apostles Matthew, John, and Paul, et al, bearing witness of Mount Zion/the Heavenly Jerusalem (and its KING) in the “spiritual” sense:

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

“And in the days of these kings shall THE GOD of Heaven set up a KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and THE KINGDOM shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and IT shall stand for ever.” (D a n i e l 2:44)

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government

shall be upon HIS shoulder: and HIS NAME shall be called WONDERFUL, COUNSELOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE. Of the increase of HIS government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of THE LORD of hosts will perform this.” (Isaiah 9:6-7)

“Why do the nations rage and the people plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against THE LORD and HIS ANOINTED, saying ‘Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.’

HE WHO sits in the heavens laughs; THE LORD holds them in derision. Then HE will speak to them in HIS wrath, and terrify them in HIS fury, saying, ‘As for ME, I have set MY KING on Zion, MY holy hill.’ I will tell of the decree: THE LORD said to ME, “YOU are MY SON; today I have begotten YOU.’” (Psalm 2:1-7)

“Now when they drew near to Jerusalem and came to Bethphage, to the Mount of Olives, then JESUS sent two disciples, saying to them, ‘Go into the village in front of you and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Untie them and bring them to ME. If anyone says anything to you, you shall say, ‘THE LORD needs them’ and he will send them at once.; This took place to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet (Zechariah 9:9), saying, ‘Say to the daughter of Zion Behold, your KING is coming to you, humble, and mounted on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.’” (Matthew 21:1-5)

(Again, NOTE: Mount Zion or Mount Sion is another name for Jerusalem. Both mean "a parched place.” Its physical locale is on the southwestern most and highest hills on which the higher and more ancient part of Jerusalem was built. The name Mount Zion or Sion is often used of the entire city of Jerusalem. Mount Zion is synonymous with Jerusalem, and is known as THE LORD GOD’S “habitation”; “...daughter of Zion” is a euphemism for “the people of GOD.”)